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10-28-2005, 03:42 AM
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With the recent change to carpet/spirit steed prices... One thing sticks out There is no longer anything veiwed as unattainable... that people need to work/save for
This is a huge problem... Tradeskilling is a joke now.... Housing is all cheap now... Rares are far from rare... Fabled has been dropping left and right... you are taking out the reasons to make money What is there left to do other then raid?
I pray to god the reason you are lowering the price of carpet/steeds because you plan on adding an even better guild lv40 mount that will cost a ton... |
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10-28-2005, 04:00 AM
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I am pretty sure the reason that the carpet and spirit stead were lowered was because of the 14pp horses that could be purchased from the courts in maj'dul. Why would a person spend nearly 4 to 5 times the amount of money on a carpet or spirit mount when they can get the same speed mount but with STATs for no status and only 14pp. There are plenty of things to spend money on. Housing, repairs, new gear, supplies(food/drink), etc... People still have to get to guild 30 to get the mounts. This change in lowering the mount costs for the guild lvl 30 perk really affects very few people.
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10-28-2005, 04:15 AM
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The things you list are peanuts.... That is not stuff to spend savings on... Thats stuff you spend an exp session worth of loot on
This is not JUST the lowering of lv30 mounts... It is the trend of making everything easy to attain I have a lot of money in game... not because I have some secret money making tecnique... but because there is NOTHING to spend it on
Rares I go harvest for... My home is an exp session to buy... and a couple heritages worth of status ... repairs are cheap... Guild Lv30 can be attained by a dedicated guild in a few weeks... If they are prepared on rotating a 6 person writ/heritage team
I have nothing in game that I can look at and say "I want that some day" Which is a BIG problem... |
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10-28-2005, 04:42 AM
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You can certainly give your money to me. I would bet that the vast majority of the player-base (me included) is not in the same financial position as you.
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10-28-2005, 05:03 AM
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I agree with Minion. Every game has to have far reaching goals, and money goals are critical. If you have nothing big to shoot for, you question your purpose for grinding out coin. I knew they would drop those prices and I think it was a bad idea. The new mounts should not have canceled those rare ones. Those players that sweated through all they did to get them now see their efforts trivialized. That is a dangerous road to take as developers. Every great effort that has a great reward should be protected. H |
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10-28-2005, 05:19 AM
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Carpet and Spirit Steed are 48% and the armored horses are 40%, not the same speed. In my opinion with them reducing the cost of the carpet and spirit steed is having a lvl 40 guild status mount would be quite outrageously priced if you look at the scale to which prices grow from 25 to 30 and hence to 35 and/or 40.
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10-28-2005, 09:15 AM
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I have to agree with the Original Poster. I'm sitting on 4plat (not much) and have full Cobalt plate and rare weapons. I'm sort of happy with my 40% horse but I'll sell him back and get my status returned and a few more plat.
I never really wanted a big house, although got the guild level reward crap I want, only thing to save up for is the rare master you actually want. Otherwise it's buying for buying's sake. |
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10-28-2005, 12:20 PM
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i don't mind if you're able to get your hands on those fluff stuff without being a plationaire. i even consider ghost steeds and flying carpets as fluff, since you're able to travel faster with jboots + totem + wolf claw (+ selos ^^).but the common availabilty of rares and fables annoys me."risk vs. reward" works out very easily. there are two spheres in eq2. crafting and adventuring.the adventurers gear up to be prepared for the risks of the world. they need good equipment to survive while gathering goods from the world by killing mobs.the crafters get resources from adventurers, to supply them with equipment.with the ease of harvesting soe created a third sphere. the harvester. all he needs to do is spend time. and with the latest changes he doesn't need to spend much time for getting rare items.where's the risk in that? all you need to do is grind to level 60 and you're able to harvest all day long without being in danger at any time.so the harvester gets reward without risk.someone could argue that crafters get rewards without risk too. that's wrong, their "risk" is being dependant on adventurers.so the changes needed to make crafting and adventuring meaningful is quite easy: don't let rares drop of harvest nodes.if you want to get rares, you need to kill named mobs. therefor you need a powerful group (or raid for higher quality rares) with good equipment (supplied by crafters).where's the money in that?you're not able to farm plat by harvesting anymore. crafters earn money as usual. a good equiped adventurers earns money by killing mobs. that's it.and to make crafted (rare) items more meaningful, adjust the rate at which fables drop from mobs.fables are better than most crafted gear. so the risk to get those should be very high, aka. killing many very hard mobs or a single extremely tough one (raid).
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10-28-2005, 04:21 PM
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um maybe im crazy, but id swear ive spent 4 plat and some change in fuel getting from a lvl 50 alchemist to a lvl 51.5 alchemist, how the hell is that cheap?
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10-28-2005, 05:10 PM
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What level are you people that are complaining? My god, stuff was getting way over priced and rares had to be increased because there is no fricken reason a tier 2, rough coral should be going for 20-30gp. I know the same thing goes for the other tiered rares as well. The prices are getting so over inflated in the game they had to do something to bring them down. It shouldn't take reaching level 40 to be able to afford decent armor for your level 13 alt. This is a game it isn't supposed to be RL. This is supposed to be fun, and grinding to make gold to equip your characters decently is not fun. Some of you treat this game like it is a job and guess what it is a GAME. It is a place to socialize and have fun with other people. All my characters are 35 and lower, and let me tell you, Legendary items were not very attainable if you were in the game having fun. Now with a little work, I will be able to buy some Legendary armor for my level 35 character. Not a lot of mind numbing grinding work, but a little work. Oh, by the way, read this thread. http://eq2vault.ign.com/View.php?view=asksoe.Detail&category_select_id=46 There is one point that Blackguard says all you hardcore people make up only 3% (I may be off on these numbers a little bit, I can't get the site to open up at work) of the population in this game and that the majority, 97%, are casual players. These changes they are making are for the majority that don't have the time to put in like you. This is so the majority can have fun and attain legendary items without spending countless hours on mind numbing crafting or harvesting to get that legendary armor or weapons.
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10-28-2005, 05:23 PM
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They needed to lower the price of guild level 30 mounts because quite franky, few people were buying them. In fact, I know many people (myself included) that just could not understand why you would pay over 60pp for a horse that is only 8% speed faster than a horse that is only 5.5pp. It was extreamly overpriced. Then with DoF, you get the armored mounts. Yes, it is only 40% like the 5.5pp horse, but you get STATS. So that was a really nice trade off, making them almost equal. 8% speed or stats, but a 45pp cost difference??? Same goes with the housing. There is no benifit to upgrading your house other than having more room to place things. Their are lots of people who really enjoy decorating and designing a beautiful home, but the cost was nuts. I think that they need to make a better benifit, such as higher tiers have more vault space or something. But again, it was something that the average person just wasn't doing. There is only a handfull of people that have 5 room houses (compaired to the amount of people that play, that is). Plus, a huge thing SoE talked about at release was exclusive Guild Houseing, and as far as I am aware, no one actually has one. Too expensive, not enough benifit and quite frankly, too much trouble. As far as you having too much $$ to spare, well, that's great for you. But keep this in mind, the adverage player does not. The adverage player does not have hours upon hours to spend grinding level's, tradeskilling and harvesting all day long. So the average player will never have a "couple plat to spare". As the poster above me states, SoE is going to pay attention to the needs of their majority, the 95ish % that play casually to have fun. That is just how marketing works. Message Edited by Terabethia on 10-28-2005 06:27 AM |
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10-28-2005, 06:43 PM
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Heh. I suppose I could be considered "Hard Core", but I think most players lvl 51+ are now getting a lot of plat. Heck, selling my cobalts and pearls for several plat just shows how much coin is out there. However the point is there isn't anything worth buying. Nada. Title, Clothes, Mounts, Housing...I mean there isn't a lot of crap to get in the first place I guess.
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10-28-2005, 06:49 PM
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several plat? wish i could do that, on one of the newest servers with one of the smallest populations and cobalt and pearl are goin at 1plat to 1.5 :smileysad: though i dont mind when it comes to buying, but sucks when it comes to selling it.
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10-28-2005, 07:13 PM
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The problem is everyone gets funneled down the same path, same progression. There is not a great diversity of gear to wear or equip. There are things that are definitely mandatory gear at certain levels because of the lack of diversity in equipment selection. How many players over 50 are in cobalt or are working on obtaining cobalt? For those that can wear it, is there any other choice? Not really. You run out of things to buy because there really is only one or two choices for any given type of item in game. There is something stirring in the art department if you've been reading the boards, hopefully this means there will be new gear coming into the game shortly. I'm all for more diversity, and I definitely don't like the cookie cutter selections we have now. Everyone looks and is geared the same at certain levels. Why make an alt unless you enjoy repetition, because youll be doing all of the exact same things over again once you get beyond level 25 or so. While I realize the logistics would be a nightmare, it would be sweet if a tradesman could shape the look of the gear they are crafting to a certain extent. Off topic, but it would be nice if they could get the ranged items for other classes implemented as well as imbuing for non-bow range items (pouches, sheaths, bandoliers, etc.) sometime soon as well. The addition of an option to adopt a secondary trade class once you get past a certain level in your primary trade would be a nice money sink too, even if it were restricted to another subclass of your primary choice (i.e. scholar primary with a secondary in alchemy or weaponsmith/armorsmith).
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10-28-2005, 07:39 PM
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Edited my post tab said it better
They needed to lower the price of guild level 30 mounts because quite franky, few people were buying them. In fact, I know many people (myself included) that just could not understand why you would pay over 60pp for a horse that is only 8% speed faster than a horse that is only 5.5pp. It was extreamly overpriced. Then with DoF, you get the armored mounts. Yes, it is only 40% like the 5.5pp horse, but you get STATS. So that was a really nice trade off, making them almost equal. 8% speed or stats, but a 45pp cost difference??? Same goes with the housing. There is no benifit to upgrading your house other than having more room to place things. Their are lots of people who really enjoy decorating and designing a beautiful home, but the cost was nuts. I think that they need to make a better benifit, such as higher tiers have more vault space or something. But again, it was something that the average person just wasn't doing. There is only a handfull of people that have 5 room houses (compaired to the amount of people that play, that is). Plus, a huge thing SoE talked about at release was exclusive Guild Houseing, and as far as I am aware, no one actually has one. Too expensive, not enough benifit and quite frankly, too much trouble. As far as you having too much $$ to spare, well, that's great for you. But keep this in mind, the adverage player does not. The adverage player does not have hours upon hours to spend grinding level's, tradeskilling and harvesting all day long. So the average player will never have a "couple plat to spare". As the poster above me states, SoE is going to pay attention to the needs of their majority, the 95ish % that play casually to have fun. That is just how marketing works. One other thing T6 rares prices are dictated by supply and demand if T6 rares are so easy to get why then are they going for 2+ plat on many servers. They way item tiering works now T6 dropped or crafted gear is needed to tank or even hit high T6 content. So reallly T6 Rare is the now the new norm for the more then casual player.
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10-28-2005, 08:09 PM
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Yes some people need some perspective - SOE is running a business where their overwhelming majority play a fraction of the time the OP does. So why in heavens name should SOE allow the game to remain at a level where certain rewards are only attainable for the very few? Honestly what is the point of that? Yes yes these few people will say that they have nothing to spend on - well truth is, if you spend an overwhelming amount of time and energy in something its rewards will come a lot quicker. Most people have jobs, work, lives where EQ is temporary escape not their actual life. If you want plat to spend, get a 5 bedroom house and spend all your money filling it with the most expensive rare items you can find. There you go - theres your bling bling right there.. get all your friends go and marvel at your l££tness. Oh and dont forget status points.. how many status cost items are there? Buy them all, have enough status points? No? Well then I suppose you better work on that. Theres more bling! LOL you can't say you want some things and not others.. if you want crap to buy and show off its there. If thats what you 'want' out of this game. Thats the whole point of housing and furniture, its your trophy area.. outside that its mounts and weapons/armour but the latter is only a fraction. Personally if I see someone over lvl 50 with kickass items but they still live in a 2 to 3 bedroom house, Im not exactly impressed. Well whoop idoo
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10-28-2005, 08:21 PM
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Yes yes these few people will say that they have nothing to spend on - well truth is, if you spend an overwhelming amount of time and energy in something its rewards will come a lot quicker. Most people have jobs, work, lives where EQ is temporary escape not their actual life. If you want plat to spend, get a 5 bedroom house and spend all your money filling it with the most expensive rare items you can find. There you go - theres your bling bling right there.. get all your friends go and marvel at your l££tness. Oh and dont forget status points.. how many status cost items are there? Buy them all, have enough status points? No? Well then I suppose you better work on that. Theres more bling! I'm not going to name names, but there are perhaps one or two people on my server (that I know of) who have done exactly that. They still have plenty of plat. As for me, I well-off so to speak. That wasn't always the case and I'm certainly not "rich". Like I said, I've already exhausted all the clothing options and fluff crap more or less.
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10-28-2005, 08:33 PM
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Give it away in a trivia contest or just hand some to random strangers. At 51 i only have 3.46 plat only because i've been trying to level up as a carpenter and sold some furniture and rares. Furniture don't seem to sell at the mid tiers very well.
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10-28-2005, 11:06 PM
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Really Vicious.. so tell me, you are decked in the best armour, have the swish little sigil weapon or whatever the heck turns people on. You have the carpet or the spirit steed as your ladida steed of choice. In your five bedroom house you have what? Please enlighten us.. you have all the portraits, all the rare furniture everything one can possibly buy and place in there? Boy I am sure the house forum would love to see your place. With you standing in between in your l33t glory.
 Since you have nothing to buy, do show off to the people there. Do add to your post that you have run out of things to buy and you have plat.. its funny because the crafters there will be able to point you to some custom made bling. Honestly though if people dont want to find something, they honestly wont. Everyone knows crafters have an insane amount of high lvl expensive furniture that they will happily make and exhaust your bank of. The only excuse one can have it to say its useless. Well there is a limit to the quality of your armour/weapons for balance and after that the only thing left is things to show off. And thats what houses and contents are for. Your neighbourhood furniture crafter is your friend for all your plat losing needs.
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10-28-2005, 11:30 PM
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Heh. You misunderstand me. I have everything I already wanted. There's nothing cool left for me to get. I hate large houses and honestly, Masters and Fabled loot don't show up often on the broker (although those would run about 60pp if they did I'm sure). Although there are a few select individuals out there who most certain do have everything. Just go to the Homes and House Pets Forum and see what people have done. Personally I would have liked guild housing and usable furniture, something SIMish. EQ2 is rather blah when it comes to frills. Although yes, the clothing and title do look good when I'm out prancing around on my horse
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10-29-2005, 01:52 AM
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This is an issue I've been complaining about for months and have a thread on the necro forum about. Frankly many people have a rediculus amount of plat. I have well over 50 and it's because after level 38 I had nothing to buy. I have been saving for the only thing I thought might be worth it, a carpet. But then I saw the new horses and said, why? there's no point in spending 4 times the plat for just a very little bit faster. And don't say it's status because there are too many folks with rugs and ghost horses now already. It's not an unusual site. The complaint I'm lodging on the necro forum is with my 50+ plat, all adept 3 spells and rare/fabled gear, I can't buy master spells or anythign else that really matters. Oh and I craft everything, provis, taylor, armorer, weaponsmith, alchy, sage. That may be part of my problem, I don't buy stuff cause I make it all myself. But that's what happens when your at the level cap for 7 months. |
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10-29-2005, 02:33 AM
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My job takes 11hours out of every weekday... SO I only play a few hours during the week and then a lot on weekends You people need to understand that some people are just better at making money then others... It has nothing to do with time... Its understanding the games economy I have been playing online games since The Realm came out... Experience teaches maney tricks to understanding how to make money in these kinds of games So If you are Lv50+ adven or crafter and poor.... Its not because its hard to make money... you just dont understand it And unfortunatly for the poor... one of the first rules to making money in these games is "Never tell people how to make money" Now I will address some of your posts... To the person who announced that they spent sooo much money crafting.. guess what.. sell (NPC) what you make... and guess what.. all that money is back in your pocket I have a Lv60 crafter... Do not try to use the "But it costs so much money to craft" excuse on me... or in my post To the person who said rares are still 2p... That is because only a complete tool would buy t6 rares right now... Or somebody with a ton of money and is lazy My guildmates and myself are averageing 2 rares an hour... I got 3 rares last night and this was while doing quests DONT BUY T6 RARES Now some bad news to the guy quoting only 3% of the population is hardcore... Hardcore are called that for a reason... they care about the game and take it very serios... Casual players come and go... they show no loyalty FFXI is a game built on hardcore players.... you see the same people every day for the last couple years.. which is why the games population has never regressed This game... you barelly get to know the average casual player before they move to wow... If people want to play a game designed for casual gamers... why stay here?? A friend of mine quit game several months ago with 40p on his char.... He was once 15th richest on server.... Now hes not even in top 50 People are gettin richer... and its because there is NOTHING to spend money on
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10-29-2005, 03:06 AM
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sell it back? what good is that going to do me if i run outa cash before i get through basic combines? so im goin to sell my resin and wash back before i even get to make dye or ink? so then i have nothing to make spells with? /sarcasm yeah thats the way to do it! lets get 10 lvls on just making resin and wash! or wait wait wait better yet! lets make 1 resin, 2 wash, 1 oil, 1 reagent, 1 dye, 1 ink 1 spell! yea lets do that 200 times! /sarcasm off i dont have the time for crafting as it is. making 1 spell at a time would take way to much time. its bad enough it takes me 5 hours to make 10 stacks of dye. Message Edited by Sean Leclaire2 on 10-28-2005 04:15 PM
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10-29-2005, 03:17 AM
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<--- Lv60 Crafter.. which happens to be an alchy Bull[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] excuses are not going to work  I got an idea.... Dont try and make 3 levels just craftin WORTS before you feel its time to make a final combine If you are soooooooooo poor and you some how managed to make no money the first 50 levels as one of the most profitable crafts... Just make enough for a dozen final combines at a time?? Or maybe make Lv50 T5 stuff for while?? Or maybe you take on some orders for adept 3's?? Do you have enought money to make 1 rare ink?? Or is that out of your budget for this example too? :rolls eyes: Please take your "Im a poor alchy" speach somewhere else... it takes less then 20min to do a t5 writ which pays back 60% profit or 20% and status (which is what I still do untill they add t6 writs)
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10-29-2005, 03:28 AM
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Bet you dollars to doughnuts there will be new, faster (and expensive) mounts available for guild level 35 and 40 (at least 40) before the end of the year. |
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10-29-2005, 04:17 AM
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i never said i was poor, i dont know if you notticed but im one of those people who grinded writs and [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] to get enough status and cash to buy a spirit steed, but maybe ya didnt nottice my signature. i made my alch so i can make spells for my zerk, i dont take orders, i dont craft to sell spells. i was just pointing out that its expensive as [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] buying fuel.
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10-29-2005, 04:57 AM
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Not everyone is so lucky. I spend hours at a time harvesting. In the past two weeks I've spent at least two hours a day harvesting. I've mined 1 cobalt since DoF came out.
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10-29-2005, 08:50 PM
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Blackguard is the one who said that only 3% of the population is hardcore. I think to say that casual players come and go is a pretty broad brush stroke. I am a casual player and I have been playing the game since February and I have no plans on leaving. I have a lot of people that I game with that are casual players. Sometimes because of RL we will be out of the game for a week or two at a time, but we come back. I also know of several people that aren't playing right now because they have some RL things that need to be taken care of and is requiring they be away from the game for a few month. Not because they are going to play WoW or some other game. That is what most casual players are. To say we don't care about the game and don't take it serious is BS, we just can't put in the the hours per day as hardcore players.
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10-29-2005, 09:15 PM
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We will see what happens when vanguard is released How much of that 97% still stays with this game... The one they are changing it speifically for
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10-30-2005, 04:10 AM
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so uh besides armor what the heck is vanguard? dont read the forums all that much so cant think what it would be
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