Dueling - It is possible to be killed and lose XP

Gildon · 09-15-2005, 06:05 PM

Have done this 3 times now successfully.

If you duel more than one time (possibly related to the other 'duel' bug with HP) - it is possible that after you load up DOT's and direct damage you CAN BE KILLED and MUST REVIVE.

Which means you get debt, and have to repair your equipment AND go after your shard.

3 Times in Enchanted Lands dueling on the docks (not near npc's or mobs).

Lose the first duel, or 2 duels in a row - and you can now be killed (dead) during a duel.

Think it's related to DOT's and Direct damage spells (was dueling a wizzie), and got very low when a direct damage hit and BAM..... REVIVE button.

Everyone laughing (myself included) - like [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] he's dead.

Repeated it a few times ...ended up with 4% debt or whatever.

Please fix

Gildon - Antonio Bayle - approx 9 pm or so Central Time if you'd like to look at the logs.

Jida · 09-15-2005, 06:38 PM

Dueling also raises your death count. even though i think thats weak, since i played on zek it never mattered there. But since im on a bluebie servier, i expect it not to raise the death count SMILEY

Arieadn · 09-15-2005, 06:40 PM

I dueled a 50 ranger yesterday, he loaded up poisons before the duel and did a triple shot bow attack, second shot won the duel third shot killed me, in another duel with him I regained consciousness only to realize that i was still dying from his poisons and needed to spam heal to live. Really sucks getting debt from a guildie... Ill just have to push him off a cliff in game to balance it out :smileywink:

Arieadnie Solace - Leader of Aurora

49 Fury, Steamfont Server

Zeltaria · 09-15-2005, 07:00 PM

This reminds me of the old eq1 dueling bug *LOL* If you dueled a shammy you gotta watch out for the dots, because if you died from a dot, you'd loose xp.. which sucked because that was our most powerful way of fighting. My hubby always made me swear I wouldnt use them if I was dueling him, so it wasnt fair that I couldnt use what I had available. *L* So I never dueled anyone because I didnt want to cause anyone xp debt.

Message Edited by Zeltaria on 09-15-2005 08:01 AM

kr8ztwin · 09-15-2005, 08:14 PM

I fought a 44 assassin in TS docks. I landed the killing blow with Frenzy (3 hit attack) First hit won the duel and the second hit killed him. ouch.

ReturnOfMadness · 09-15-2005, 08:19 PM

same thing happened to me, dueled a assasin, with my 50 trouba...went pretty even, but got hit hard, and had to revive hard, no clue whut caused it though SMILEY

Pauleh · 09-15-2005, 08:45 PM

probs like SWG, 3 incaps in 10 min = death

Kai Longbla · 09-15-2005, 09:30 PM

Same here duled as a Guardian vs Guardian. killed him outright, when I allowed him to use all his power, I started whacking on him. I do not remember which combat arts or sequence, but after he droped with duel loss, dammage continued to stack.

Kegofbud · 09-16-2005, 01:19 AM

Same issues a few fights last night with DoT attacks. Hopefully they'll get this fixed up.

dizzi73 · 09-16-2005, 06:19 AM

Yep, duelled my husband's inquisitor last night. first duel I was knocked unconcious, as per the norm, then the second time I was killed outright. Not sure of the reason, but I took xp debt and equipment damage.

Not happy.

Meadowst · 09-17-2005, 01:42 AM

Jida wrote:Dueling also raises your death count. even though i think thats weak, since i played on zek it never mattered there. But since im on a bluebie servier, i expect it not to raise the death count

Good observation. Death count is no longer raised on a normal duel death. This change is making its way out to Live in the next patch. Thanks for the feedback.

Meadowst · 09-17-2005, 01:43 AM

Gildon wrote:
Have done this 3 times now successfully.

If you duel more than one time (possibly related to the other 'duel' bug with HP) - it is possible that after you load up DOT's and direct damage you CAN BE KILLED and MUST REVIVE.

Which means you get debt, and have to repair your equipment AND go after your shard.

3 Times in Enchanted Lands dueling on the docks (not near npc's or mobs).

Lose the first duel, or 2 duels in a row - and you can now be killed (dead) during a duel.

Think it's related to DOT's and Direct damage spells (was dueling a wizzie), and got very low when a direct damage hit and BAM..... REVIVE button.

Everyone laughing (myself included) - like [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] he's dead.

Repeated it a few times ...ended up with 4% debt or whatever.

Please fix

Gildon - Antonio Bayle - approx 9 pm or so Central Time if you'd like to look at the logs.

This is being looked into. Thanks for posting!

Zachatan · 09-17-2005, 01:50 AM

This sounds like the issue from everquest 1 /duel feature... if you die by DOTs/Dmg shield you actually died... seems the allocation of dmg shield and dots are not related to the characters dmg and is on a seperat table that when doing dmg to you doesnt register as a person doing dmg to you but a spell thus you die and the server thinks you actually did die...

Seems SOE hasnt gotten around to fixing this yet... but it does make since why you die by dot... on the otehr hand DDs should not effect duel since its instant and seems to allocat that it was the player donig the dmg

Jgok · 09-17-2005, 03:12 AM

You also die if a pet kills you in a duel...

Every duel I've done as a Conjuror has ended with this line...

"Gimpy has killed (name)"

Now nobody wants to duel me SMILEY

HolyAvengerOne · 09-17-2005, 09:12 PM

Meadowstar wrote:

Gildon wrote:

Have done this 3 times now successfully.

If you duel more than one time (possibly related to the other 'duel' bug with HP) - it is possible that after you load up DOT's and direct damage you CAN BE KILLED and MUST REVIVE.

Which means you get debt, and have to repair your equipment AND go after your shard.

3 Times in Enchanted Lands dueling on the docks (not near npc's or mobs).

Lose the first duel, or 2 duels in a row - and you can now be killed (dead) during a duel.

Think it's related to DOT's and Direct damage spells (was dueling a wizzie), and got very low when a direct damage hit and BAM..... REVIVE button.

Everyone laughing (myself included) - like [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] he's dead.

Repeated it a few times ...ended up with 4% debt or whatever.

Please fix

Gildon - Antonio Bayle - approx 9 pm or so Central Time if you'd like to look at the logs.

This is being looked into. Thanks for posting!

39 assassin checking in. I killed - with debt, shard and all - a guildie in the same fashion. The DOTs continued to apply after the duel ended, all for 1 HP dam a pop.

vorek · 09-17-2005, 09:25 PM

See...now we have CODERS playing around with the STUPID duel system instead of working in the bugs in the GAME that the rest of us play.

This is why they should have left PVP OUT!

LordPengu · 09-18-2005, 06:41 AM

vorek wrote:

See...now we have CODERS playing around with the STUPID duel system instead of working in the bugs in the GAME that the rest of us play.

This is why they should have left PVP OUT!

I don't post very often, but occasionally a comment like this will bring me out from the shadows. Do you not listen to Dev response at all? How many times has it been stated that just because one particular area of the game is being looked at does not mean that attention is being diverted from any other issues. For god's sake people, this is Sony were dealing with. You may as well have shot out the complaint: "OH MY GOD! SONY IS DEVELOPING A NEW (Insert Electronic Device Here)! THIS, BECAUSE SONY'S STAFF IS SO LIMITED, MUST MEAN THAT THEY ARE BORROWING PEOPLE FROM THEIR PS3 TEAM! WHAT FATE WILL BEFALL MY BELOVED PRODUCT!?!?" Let's face it, Sony isnt a mom and pop business. When they delve into a new field they create new jobs. So no, your game is not being hurt in any way by pvp, get over it and complain about something else.

Suta · 09-21-2005, 12:47 PM

I find it hilarious that all the people that claimed EQ2 was a "care bare land" Cos you couldn't PvP -NOW- want to be able to duel without any penalties.

I say, keep xp debt and item damage in for losing a duel. How's that for care bears?

Magu · 09-21-2005, 06:53 PM

Didn't they fix this already? On day 1 I actually took debt/etc, but now you're just a corpse for a few seconds and then you revive instantly - no damage, no shard, no debt.

Sean Leclair · 09-23-2005, 10:44 AM

35 zerk here me and my friend were just playing around he was lvl 11, he chalanged me to a duel, i one hit killed him and he died instantly and had to revive. debt, armor damage the whole lot.

Damanex · 09-23-2005, 07:32 PM

Is it possible (not sure if anyone has tried this) to kill another player in a duel by using the environment to your advantage? What I'm referring to is fighting on top of a cliff or a tower and using stuns / knockbacks to send the player to their death. Now since mobs can do this to players, yet players cannot do this to mobs, when you are in a /duel is your enemy treated like a mob and is thus immune to this (ie a barrier preventing them from being knocked out)?

Magu · 09-24-2005, 03:49 AM

You could easily knockback someone off a cliff/tower and they die a normal death.

Sean Leclair · 09-26-2005, 10:08 AM

my friend, a necro, casted terror on somebody they were dueling and they ran right off a cliff in fear lol.

[email protected] · 09-26-2005, 09:25 PM

1 real death in about 15 loses. The death was at a 1hp per tick rate while I was unconscious, meaning I had to revive.

09-15-2005, 06:38 PM	#2
Jida Fansite Staff Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 849	Dueling also raises your death count. even though i think thats weak, since i played on zek it never mattered there. But since im on a bluebie servier, i expect it not to raise the death count __________________

09-15-2005, 07:00 PM	#4
Zeltaria Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 189	This reminds me of the old eq1 dueling bug LOL If you dueled a shammy you gotta watch out for the dots, because if you died from a dot, you'd loose xp.. which sucked because that was our most powerful way of fighting. My hubby always made me swear I wouldnt use them if I was dueling him, so it wasnt fair that I couldnt use what I had available. L So I never dueled anyone because I didnt want to cause anyone xp debt. Message Edited by Zeltaria on 09-15-2005 08:01 AM __________________

09-15-2005, 08:14 PM	#5
kr8ztwin Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 132	I fought a 44 assassin in TS docks. I landed the killing blow with Frenzy (3 hit attack) First hit won the duel and the second hit killed him. ouch. __________________

09-15-2005, 08:19 PM	#6
ReturnOfMadness Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 213	same thing happened to me, dueled a assasin, with my 50 trouba...went pretty even, but got hit hard, and had to revive hard, no clue whut caused it though __________________ - Signed Kungao -lvl 80 buffbot - 80 alchemist - 400 tinkerer

09-15-2005, 08:45 PM	#7
Pauleh Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 180	probs like SWG, 3 incaps in 10 min = death __________________ Goetia - Shadowknight of Venekor

09-15-2005, 06:05 PM	#1
Gildon Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 18	Have done this 3 times now successfully. If you duel more than one time (possibly related to the other 'duel' bug with HP) - it is possible that after you load up DOT's and direct damage you CAN BE KILLED and MUST REVIVE. Which means you get debt, and have to repair your equipment AND go after your shard. 3 Times in Enchanted Lands dueling on the docks (not near npc's or mobs). Lose the first duel, or 2 duels in a row - and you can now be killed (dead) during a duel. Think it's related to DOT's and Direct damage spells (was dueling a wizzie), and got very low when a direct damage hit and BAM..... REVIVE button. Everyone laughing (myself included) - like [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] he's dead. Repeated it a few times ...ended up with 4% debt or whatever. Please fix Gildon - Antonio Bayle - approx 9 pm or so Central Time if you'd like to look at the logs.

09-15-2005, 06:40 PM	#3
Arieadn Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Oasis, (but missing Steamfont) Posts: 78	I dueled a 50 ranger yesterday, he loaded up poisons before the duel and did a triple shot bow attack, second shot won the duel third shot killed me, in another duel with him I regained consciousness only to realize that i was still dying from his poisons and needed to spam heal to live. Really sucks getting debt from a guildie... Ill just have to push him off a cliff in game to balance it out :smileywink: Arieadnie Solace - Leader of Aurora 49 Fury, Steamfont Server

09-15-2005, 09:30 PM	#8
Kai Longbla Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 5	Same here duled as a Guardian vs Guardian. killed him outright, when I allowed him to use all his power, I started whacking on him. I do not remember which combat arts or sequence, but after he droped with duel loss, dammage continued to stack.

09-16-2005, 01:19 AM	#9
Kegofbud Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 925	Same issues a few fights last night with DoT attacks. Hopefully they'll get this fixed up. __________________ Choatly - 90 Defiler

09-16-2005, 06:19 AM	#10
dizzi73 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 43	Yep, duelled my husband's inquisitor last night. first duel I was knocked unconcious, as per the norm, then the second time I was killed outright. Not sure of the reason, but I took xp debt and equipment damage. Not happy. __________________

09-17-2005, 01:42 AM	#11
Meadowst General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 5	Jida wrote:Dueling also raises your death count. even though i think thats weak, since i played on zek it never mattered there. But since im on a bluebie servier, i expect it not to raise the death count Good observation. Death count is no longer raised on a normal duel death. This change is making its way out to Live in the next patch. Thanks for the feedback.

09-17-2005, 01:43 AM	#12
Meadowst General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 5	Gildon wrote: Have done this 3 times now successfully. If you duel more than one time (possibly related to the other 'duel' bug with HP) - it is possible that after you load up DOT's and direct damage you CAN BE KILLED and MUST REVIVE. Which means you get debt, and have to repair your equipment AND go after your shard. 3 Times in Enchanted Lands dueling on the docks (not near npc's or mobs). Lose the first duel, or 2 duels in a row - and you can now be killed (dead) during a duel. Think it's related to DOT's and Direct damage spells (was dueling a wizzie), and got very low when a direct damage hit and BAM..... REVIVE button. Everyone laughing (myself included) - like [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] he's dead. Repeated it a few times ...ended up with 4% debt or whatever. Please fix Gildon - Antonio Bayle - approx 9 pm or so Central Time if you'd like to look at the logs. This is being looked into. Thanks for posting!

09-17-2005, 01:50 AM	#13
Zachatan Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 158	This sounds like the issue from everquest 1 /duel feature... if you die by DOTs/Dmg shield you actually died... seems the allocation of dmg shield and dots are not related to the characters dmg and is on a seperat table that when doing dmg to you doesnt register as a person doing dmg to you but a spell thus you die and the server thinks you actually did die... Seems SOE hasnt gotten around to fixing this yet... but it does make since why you die by dot... on the otehr hand DDs should not effect duel since its instant and seems to allocat that it was the player donig the dmg

09-17-2005, 03:12 AM	#14
Jgok Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: East Coast, USA Posts: 329	You also die if a pet kills you in a duel... Every duel I've done as a Conjuror has ended with this line... "Gimpy has killed (name)" Now nobody wants to duel me __________________

09-17-2005, 09:12 PM	#15
HolyAvengerOne Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 118	Meadowstar wrote: Gildon wrote: Have done this 3 times now successfully. If you duel more than one time (possibly related to the other 'duel' bug with HP) - it is possible that after you load up DOT's and direct damage you CAN BE KILLED and MUST REVIVE. Which means you get debt, and have to repair your equipment AND go after your shard. 3 Times in Enchanted Lands dueling on the docks (not near npc's or mobs). Lose the first duel, or 2 duels in a row - and you can now be killed (dead) during a duel. Think it's related to DOT's and Direct damage spells (was dueling a wizzie), and got very low when a direct damage hit and BAM..... REVIVE button. Everyone laughing (myself included) - like [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] he's dead. Repeated it a few times ...ended up with 4% debt or whatever. Please fix Gildon - Antonio Bayle - approx 9 pm or so Central Time if you'd like to look at the logs. This is being looked into. Thanks for posting! 39 assassin checking in. I killed - with debt, shard and all - a guildie in the same fashion. The DOTs continued to apply after the duel ended, all for 1 HP dam a pop. __________________

09-17-2005, 09:25 PM	#16
vorek Lord Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 124	See...now we have CODERS playing around with the STUPID duel system instead of working in the bugs in the GAME that the rest of us play. This is why they should have left PVP OUT! __________________ 65 Ogre Bruiser/ 63 Alchemist PM me if you wanna make me a spiffy sig!

09-18-2005, 06:41 AM	#17
LordPengu Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 27	vorek wrote: See...now we have CODERS playing around with the STUPID duel system instead of working in the bugs in the GAME that the rest of us play. This is why they should have left PVP OUT! I don't post very often, but occasionally a comment like this will bring me out from the shadows. Do you not listen to Dev response at all? How many times has it been stated that just because one particular area of the game is being looked at does not mean that attention is being diverted from any other issues. For god's sake people, this is Sony were dealing with. You may as well have shot out the complaint: "OH MY GOD! SONY IS DEVELOPING A NEW (Insert Electronic Device Here)! THIS, BECAUSE SONY'S STAFF IS SO LIMITED, MUST MEAN THAT THEY ARE BORROWING PEOPLE FROM THEIR PS3 TEAM! WHAT FATE WILL BEFALL MY BELOVED PRODUCT!?!?" Let's face it, Sony isnt a mom and pop business. When they delve into a new field they create new jobs. So no, your game is not being hurt in any way by pvp, get over it and complain about something else. __________________

09-21-2005, 12:47 PM	#18
Suta General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 198	I find it hilarious that all the people that claimed EQ2 was a "care bare land" Cos you couldn't PvP -NOW- want to be able to duel without any penalties. I say, keep xp debt and item damage in for losing a duel. How's that for care bears?

09-21-2005, 06:53 PM	#19
Magu Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,332	Didn't they fix this already? On day 1 I actually took debt/etc, but now you're just a corpse for a few seconds and then you revive instantly - no damage, no shard, no debt.

09-23-2005, 10:44 AM	#20
Sean Leclair Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 52	35 zerk here me and my friend were just playing around he was lvl 11, he chalanged me to a duel, i one hit killed him and he died instantly and had to revive. debt, armor damage the whole lot. __________________

09-23-2005, 07:32 PM	#21
Damanex General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 49	Is it possible (not sure if anyone has tried this) to kill another player in a duel by using the environment to your advantage? What I'm referring to is fighting on top of a cliff or a tower and using stuns / knockbacks to send the player to their death. Now since mobs can do this to players, yet players cannot do this to mobs, when you are in a /duel is your enemy treated like a mob and is thus immune to this (ie a barrier preventing them from being knocked out)? __________________ Damanexor Bloodwraith 51 Shadowknight 50 Armorer Befallen Retired from EQ2

09-24-2005, 03:49 AM	#22
Magu Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,332	You could easily knockback someone off a cliff/tower and they die a normal death.

09-26-2005, 10:08 AM	#23
Sean Leclair Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 52	my friend, a necro, casted terror on somebody they were dueling and they ran right off a cliff in fear lol. __________________

09-26-2005, 09:25 PM	#24
[email protected] Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: University Place, WA Posts: 23	1 real death in about 15 loses. The death was at a 1hp per tick rate while I was unconscious, meaning I had to revive.