What T7 poison do you use ?

gribuz · 05-16-2006, 09:18 PM

Just wondering what poisons you guys use ?I'm myself using a poison that does 428 poison damage and a poison that decrease attack speed with 18%Any other poison you think works better ?

Jayad · 05-17-2006, 01:28 AM

That's what I use. They're cheap and usually available. I will switch to snare and lifetap for soloing, and power tap for raiding sometimes.

Beldin_ · 05-17-2006, 05:49 AM

I still use T6 .. Adestes and Phantasmic Vison SMILEY

Blarth · 05-17-2006, 07:34 AM

Adeste's is still the best in my opinion cause it got nice big damage and a decent DoT. Most of the t7 that i have seen just has a big up front damage and no dot. But i havent looked to hard into t7

Sirlutt · 05-17-2006, 04:19 PM

my ranger is still 60, but I have 25 lots of adestes in the bank for him.. lol

gribuz · 05-17-2006, 06:05 PM

Do you guys use more than 1 ?I've heard stacking poisons below T7 doesn't work, havent tried myself though

Beldin_ · 05-17-2006, 06:43 PM

Stacking a damage poison and phantasmic vision was never a problem to me at least SMILEY

Fennir · 05-17-2006, 06:43 PM

im using grandmasters caustic cuz i'm working my way up spell crit now and adeste's doesn't work with it (except for the dot portion)crits for over 1k tho hehe

KongstadPS · 05-17-2006, 07:17 PM

Caress of the Banshee(60 Store brought as we have no high level alchemist on Darathar yet)

Then whatever other type of poison i can find. Usually debuff of mit or poison + stiffle. But thats level 30-40 stuff.

NovacaineExpre · 05-17-2006, 07:51 PM

*cough* I havent heard a single response saying they use T6 Strike of Glox (piercing/crushing debuff) or that other T6 poison/disease debuffer! (cant remember name atm :smileyindifferent: But then again the title of this post is "What T7 poison do you use ?" hehe. Problem with T6 legendary poisons is that nobody makes it anymore :smileysad: at least not on my server.

Message Edited by NovacaineExpress on 05-17-2006 08:52 AM

Katsugen · 05-17-2006, 08:49 PM

Caustic,gracelessness,turgar is generally what I use. I also bring mental breach and ignorant bliss along for certian occasions.

-Katsugen

gribuz · 05-17-2006, 09:16 PM

NovacaineExpress wrote:
*cough* I havent heard a single response saying they use T6 Strike of Glox (piercing/crushing debuff) or that other T6 poison/disease debuffer! (cant remember name atm :smileyindifferent: But then again the title of this post is "What T7 poison do you use ?" hehe. Problem with T6 legendary poisons is that nobody makes it anymore :smileysad: at least not on my server.

Message Edited by NovacaineExpress on 05-17-2006 08:52 AM
Message Edited by NovacaineExpress on 05-17-2006 08:52 AM

I have same problem not finding the poisons on my serverBut finally got a high level Alchemist in my guild, experimenting with various poisons and see what works best, both solo and group wise SMILEY

NovacaineExpre · 05-17-2006, 11:05 PM

gribuz wrote:

I have same problem not finding the poisons on my server

But finally got a high level Alchemist in my guild, experimenting with various poisons and see what works best, both solo and group wise

I talked to a high level alchy and he told me to go harvest T6 roots to get foxglove (or something) to make it for me. That was about 3 weeks ago and I still havent been bored enough to head to DoF to harvest roots :smileytongue:

But IMO glox is still the best debuff poison for ranger damage output. T6 debuffers are still better than any T7 that I have seen. My guild alchy keeps giving me a ton of that crap T7 Wis debuffer for when I give him dust from making Adept 3's and I usually just sell it to vendor to buy arrows.

LoreLady · 05-17-2006, 11:31 PM

Mental breech 90% of the time. I cant maintain the power usage with what I use.

Jayad · 05-18-2006, 02:05 AM

The wis debuffer helps on raids (reduces resists). And it will stack in that 3rd poison slot, unlike most of the other 'util' poisons. I haven't tried combining t6 and t7 poisons though.

jrisley69 · 05-18-2006, 06:38 AM

Grandmaster's Caustic poison and Grandmaster's Stupifying poison are what i use when solo'in etc. In a group i switch out the stun poison for Ignorant Bliss line, so i can go max DPS

Wades · 05-18-2006, 01:39 PM

Solo/Group: Caustic (t7)/Adeste (t6) + Phantasmic visions (t6)Raid trashs mobs: Caustic(t7) or Adeste (t6) + t6 magical resists debuff (curse of the djinn, numbling blizzard...) + essence of turgur (haste debuff) Raid named: Hemotoxine (t7) + t6 magical resists debuff (curse of the djinn, numbling blizzard...) + essence of turgur (haste debuff) + t7 stats debuffAnd yes you can stack 4 poisons. Looks like 1 hp dot/dd or life/mana drain + 1 mitigation (noxious, arcane, elemental, melee) debuff + 1 haste/speed debuff + 1 stat debuff.

LoreLady · 05-18-2006, 05:37 PM

What the hell, how the hell do you guys manage to keep your power? Even when I am grouped with a troub I am out of power in about 2-3 minutes, with 4000 power unbuffed. Even with mental breach poisons I still manage to drain my power fairly quickly.Also - I cant use turgur in any raid situation, and ive been grouped with a guard + troub and still managed to take agro with that poison on at raids.

Message Edited by LoreLady on 05-18-2006 06:39 AM

schla · 05-18-2006, 05:43 PM

Caustic (1k+ procs with decent debuffs and Int), Gracelessnes (cuz i dont like to miss SMILEY

), With a side order of Turgur or Ignorant Bliss if aggro is shifty Djax, 70 ranger Runnyeye

Fennir · 05-18-2006, 06:05 PM

LoreLady wrote:
What the hell, how the hell do you guys manage to keep your power? Even when I am grouped with a troub I am out of power in about 2-3 minutes, with 4000 power unbuffed. Even with mental breach poisons I still manage to drain my power fairly quickly.Also - I cant use turgur in any raid situation, and ive been grouped with a guard + troub and still managed to take agro with that poison on at raids.
Message Edited by LoreLady on 05-18-2006 06:39 AM

I'm really confused by your findings, because they don't relate to anything I see.I am usually the last on the raid to run OOP. I never use mental breach, ever. I would be stupid to, considering caustic is 10% of my DPS. In Lyceum last night, I routinely hit 1000-1100 DPS on the named fights. I had no power regen in my group... the Gnillaw fight lasted 6 minutes and the Gnorbl fight lasted 4. My average DPS for the zone after combining all encounters was 850 DPS, and that was with severe lag for several encounters (my internet is screwy).I never took agro and I never went near running OOP. The only FT items I was wearing were my Dark Fury Sabre of Anuk and Mark of Awakening (a total of 19 power per tick). All of my skills were used on almost every fight, except for some of the melee ones.The only possible way I can run OOP is if I die, or the fight gets close to the 10 minute mark. And I have yet to apply mental breach to my weapons, ever.

Lightomen · 05-18-2006, 06:14 PM

NovacaineExpress wrote:

that other T6 poison/disease debuffer! (cant remember name)

Bite of the Shissar, as I used to always have Adeste and Shissar in stock by the barrel.

Now I use a variety as we have a couple of alchemists in guild working through 60s. I hope to find a decent combination to maintain power and DPS.

NovacaineExpre · 05-18-2006, 06:32 PM

Another thing that is very important if on a raid, talk to the other scouts in the raid and find out what debuffs they are using. I am not 100% positive on the mechanics of how raid/group debuffs work but I have heard 2 different options:

1) That similar debuff poisons do not stack from members in the same group within the raid

and

2) That similar debuff poisons do not stack from members within entire raid

Does anyone know the answer to this? Its just pointless to have debuff poisons running that are overwriting one another.

LoreLady · 05-18-2006, 08:57 PM

I find myself burning my power alot quicker than you tobias, I always use mentol breach poisons.. I typiccally hit 1100-1400 dps though, and the mobs die really really quick. I burn power faster than any fighter ever could. And that dps is without using caustic tobias. I use all my melee abilities, and all my ranged on fights.

Jay · 05-18-2006, 09:00 PM

NovacaineExpress wrote:

Another thing that is very important if on a raid, talk to the other scouts in the raid and find out what debuffs they are using. I am not 100% positive on the mechanics of how raid/group debuffs work but I have heard 2 different options:

1) That similar debuff poisons do not stack from members in the same group within the raid

and

2) That similar debuff poisons do not stack from members within entire raid

Does anyone know the answer to this? Its just pointless to have debuff poisons running that are overwriting one another.

It's always been my understanding that identical poison effects will not stack on the same target, regardless of where those effects are coming from. I could be mistaken, though. Either way, it pays to coordinate with other rogues and predators.

Fennir · 05-18-2006, 09:02 PM

id really have to see some parses of 3-5 minute fights on yellow mobs where you reach 1100-1400 DPS without using any damage poisonsi mean unless you have 2-3 brigands cycling dispatch or something?feel free to prove me wrong tho i'd love to know how that is possible so i can stop sucking

Prandtl · 05-18-2006, 10:42 PM

I am still using my stash of Adestes and bite of the Shinisar (sp?) and add in gracelessness if grouping, phantasmic visions if soloing anything tough

Teksun · 05-18-2006, 10:47 PM

Mental Breach all the way... unless i'm soloing... I'll pile on others for raids (debuff, etc), depending on what is needed.

Lightomen · 05-19-2006, 01:57 AM

LoreLady wrote:
I find myself burning my power alot quicker than you tobias, I always use mentol breach poisons.. I typiccally hit 1100-1400 dps though, and the mobs die really really quick. I burn power faster than any fighter ever could. And that dps is without using caustic tobias. I use all my melee abilities, and all my ranged on fights.

I think the issue might be a combination of LoreLady having low AGI and how fast the MT pulls. Concentrate on STR and forget AGI and your power pool is extremely low. MT pulling speed makes a big deal. When we do Labs, our MT pulls very quickly after we finish off one mob and I find myself going OOP often. Most of the time we only stop to med up before named mobs. While our melee attacks are not a power sink, trying to chain all your spells together is. When I am going all out on Stag, which is most of the time, I am using my manastone, nec hearts, conj shards and drinking the lvl 70 drinks. I also have the Dark Fury Sabre of Anuk and MoA Instinct. My self buffed STR and AGI are almost the same 377 and 397.

USAFJeeper · 05-20-2006, 03:39 AM

I have to agree with Tobias (it pains me it really does SMILEY

) I average over a raid about 800 DPS or so maybe lower. Sure in a quick fight I can put the fear of God in a beast and hit 1300-1400. I never run out of power, unless the rest of the raid/group is dead and then I run out of Health a the same time.

As far as poisons Adestes, Glox/Djinn, tugurs/bliss Depending on group set up and what I find first in my little bag of poisons!

Sometimes to save cash I will use Caustic in groups.

Kiori · 05-20-2006, 05:10 AM

Just a question for you more knowledgeable rangers( just coming back to my ranger after a bit of a hiatus )I worked out the numbers for Rijacki poison( dot ) it does 1645 if it all goes off, adeste's does 739, do any of you raiders still use Rijacki, or if not, why not, do do repeat dot's over write each other?Thanks for your help with this, could save me some g SMILEY

05-17-2006, 05:49 AM	#3
Beldin_ Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,343	I still use T6 .. Adestes and Phantasmic Vison __________________

05-17-2006, 07:34 AM	#4
Blarth Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 48	Adeste's is still the best in my opinion cause it got nice big damage and a decent DoT. Most of the t7 that i have seen just has a big up front damage and no dot. But i havent looked to hard into t7 __________________

05-17-2006, 04:19 PM	#5
Sirlutt Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,149	my ranger is still 60, but I have 25 lots of adestes in the bank for him.. lol __________________ I heart DE Broads

05-17-2006, 06:43 PM	#7
Beldin_ Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,343	Stacking a damage poison and phantasmic vision was never a problem to me at least __________________

05-17-2006, 06:43 PM	#8
Fennir Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 760	im using grandmasters caustic cuz i'm working my way up spell crit now and adeste's doesn't work with it (except for the dot portion)crits for over 1k tho hehe __________________ " I constanly read these forums and seeing your stupid sig starting too get to me" - finedork

05-16-2006, 09:18 PM	#1
gribuz Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 50	Just wondering what poisons you guys use ?I'm myself using a poison that does 428 poison damage and a poison that decrease attack speed with 18%Any other poison you think works better ?

05-17-2006, 01:28 AM	#2
Jayad Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Raelyn @ Permafrost Posts: 1,306	That's what I use. They're cheap and usually available. I will switch to snare and lifetap for soloing, and power tap for raiding sometimes.

05-17-2006, 06:05 PM	#6
gribuz Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 50	Do you guys use more than 1 ?I've heard stacking poisons below T7 doesn't work, havent tried myself though

05-17-2006, 07:17 PM	#9
KongstadPS Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 90	Caress of the Banshee(60 Store brought as we have no high level alchemist on Darathar yet) Then whatever other type of poison i can find. Usually debuff of mit or poison + stiffle. But thats level 30-40 stuff. __________________ Lucy Pinder is hot

05-17-2006, 07:51 PM	#10
NovacaineExpre Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 44	cough I havent heard a single response saying they use T6 Strike of Glox (piercing/crushing debuff) or that other T6 poison/disease debuffer! (cant remember name atm :smileyindifferent: But then again the title of this post is "What T7 poison do you use ?" hehe. Problem with T6 legendary poisons is that nobody makes it anymore :smileysad: at least not on my server. Message Edited by NovacaineExpress on 05-17-2006 08:52 AM Message Edited by NovacaineExpress on 05-17-2006 08:52 AM __________________ Askol ~ Ranger Lucan D'Lere

05-17-2006, 08:49 PM	#11
Katsugen Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 95	Caustic,gracelessness,turgar is generally what I use. I also bring mental breach and ignorant bliss along for certian occasions. -Katsugen

05-17-2006, 09:16 PM	#12
gribuz Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 50	NovacaineExpress wrote: cough I havent heard a single response saying they use T6 Strike of Glox (piercing/crushing debuff) or that other T6 poison/disease debuffer! (cant remember name atm :smileyindifferent: But then again the title of this post is "What T7 poison do you use ?" hehe. Problem with T6 legendary poisons is that nobody makes it anymore :smileysad: at least not on my server. Message Edited by NovacaineExpress on 05-17-2006 08:52 AM Message Edited by NovacaineExpress on 05-17-2006 08:52 AM I have same problem not finding the poisons on my serverBut finally got a high level Alchemist in my guild, experimenting with various poisons and see what works best, both solo and group wise

05-17-2006, 11:05 PM	#13
NovacaineExpre Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 44	gribuz wrote: I have same problem not finding the poisons on my server But finally got a high level Alchemist in my guild, experimenting with various poisons and see what works best, both solo and group wise I talked to a high level alchy and he told me to go harvest T6 roots to get foxglove (or something) to make it for me. That was about 3 weeks ago and I still havent been bored enough to head to DoF to harvest roots :smileytongue: But IMO glox is still the best debuff poison for ranger damage output. T6 debuffers are still better than any T7 that I have seen. My guild alchy keeps giving me a ton of that crap T7 Wis debuffer for when I give him dust from making Adept 3's and I usually just sell it to vendor to buy arrows. __________________ Askol ~ Ranger Lucan D'Lere

05-17-2006, 11:31 PM	#14
LoreLady Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,039	Mental breech 90% of the time. I cant maintain the power usage with what I use. __________________ RIP Oakleaf 1949-2006

05-18-2006, 02:05 AM	#15
Jayad Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Raelyn @ Permafrost Posts: 1,306	The wis debuffer helps on raids (reduces resists). And it will stack in that 3rd poison slot, unlike most of the other 'util' poisons. I haven't tried combining t6 and t7 poisons though.

05-18-2006, 06:38 AM	#16
jrisley69 Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Unrest Posts: 60	Grandmaster's Caustic poison and Grandmaster's Stupifying poison are what i use when solo'in etc. In a group i switch out the stun poison for Ignorant Bliss line, so i can go max DPS

05-18-2006, 01:39 PM	#17
Wades Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 242	Solo/Group: Caustic (t7)/Adeste (t6) + Phantasmic visions (t6)Raid trashs mobs: Caustic(t7) or Adeste (t6) + t6 magical resists debuff (curse of the djinn, numbling blizzard...) + essence of turgur (haste debuff) Raid named: Hemotoxine (t7) + t6 magical resists debuff (curse of the djinn, numbling blizzard...) + essence of turgur (haste debuff) + t7 stats debuffAnd yes you can stack 4 poisons. Looks like 1 hp dot/dd or life/mana drain + 1 mitigation (noxious, arcane, elemental, melee) debuff + 1 haste/speed debuff + 1 stat debuff.

05-18-2006, 05:37 PM	#18
LoreLady Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,039	What the hell, how the hell do you guys manage to keep your power? Even when I am grouped with a troub I am out of power in about 2-3 minutes, with 4000 power unbuffed. Even with mental breach poisons I still manage to drain my power fairly quickly.Also - I cant use turgur in any raid situation, and ive been grouped with a guard + troub and still managed to take agro with that poison on at raids. Message Edited by LoreLady on 05-18-2006 06:39 AM __________________ RIP Oakleaf 1949-2006

05-18-2006, 05:43 PM	#19
schla Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 50	Caustic (1k+ procs with decent debuffs and Int), Gracelessnes (cuz i dont like to miss), With a side order of Turgur or Ignorant Bliss if aggro is shifty Djax, 70 ranger Runnyeye __________________ Djax Quintana, RRR - Ranger, Remnant, Runnyeye

05-18-2006, 06:05 PM	#20
Fennir Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 760	LoreLady wrote: What the hell, how the hell do you guys manage to keep your power? Even when I am grouped with a troub I am out of power in about 2-3 minutes, with 4000 power unbuffed. Even with mental breach poisons I still manage to drain my power fairly quickly.Also - I cant use turgur in any raid situation, and ive been grouped with a guard + troub and still managed to take agro with that poison on at raids. Message Edited by LoreLady on 05-18-2006 06:39 AM I'm really confused by your findings, because they don't relate to anything I see.I am usually the last on the raid to run OOP. I never use mental breach, ever. I would be stupid to, considering caustic is 10% of my DPS. In Lyceum last night, I routinely hit 1000-1100 DPS on the named fights. I had no power regen in my group... the Gnillaw fight lasted 6 minutes and the Gnorbl fight lasted 4. My average DPS for the zone after combining all encounters was 850 DPS, and that was with severe lag for several encounters (my internet is screwy).I never took agro and I never went near running OOP. The only FT items I was wearing were my Dark Fury Sabre of Anuk and Mark of Awakening (a total of 19 power per tick). All of my skills were used on almost every fight, except for some of the melee ones.The only possible way I can run OOP is if I die, or the fight gets close to the 10 minute mark. And I have yet to apply mental breach to my weapons, ever. __________________ " I constanly read these forums and seeing your stupid sig starting too get to me" - finedork

05-18-2006, 06:14 PM	#21
Lightomen Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Nektulos Posts: 48	NovacaineExpress wrote: that other T6 poison/disease debuffer! (cant remember name) Bite of the Shissar, as I used to always have Adeste and Shissar in stock by the barrel. Now I use a variety as we have a couple of alchemists in guild working through 60s. I hope to find a decent combination to maintain power and DPS. __________________ Staghorn 90 Kerran Ranger 90 Master Jeweler Fomerly from Lavastorm Proud Member of Has Gone LinkDead

05-18-2006, 06:32 PM	#22
NovacaineExpre Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 44	Another thing that is very important if on a raid, talk to the other scouts in the raid and find out what debuffs they are using. I am not 100% positive on the mechanics of how raid/group debuffs work but I have heard 2 different options: 1) That similar debuff poisons do not stack from members in the same group within the raid and 2) That similar debuff poisons do not stack from members within entire raid Does anyone know the answer to this? Its just pointless to have debuff poisons running that are overwriting one another. __________________ Askol ~ Ranger Lucan D'Lere

05-18-2006, 08:57 PM	#23
LoreLady Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,039	I find myself burning my power alot quicker than you tobias, I always use mentol breach poisons.. I typiccally hit 1100-1400 dps though, and the mobs die really really quick. I burn power faster than any fighter ever could. And that dps is without using caustic tobias. I use all my melee abilities, and all my ranged on fights. __________________ RIP Oakleaf 1949-2006

05-18-2006, 09:00 PM	#24
Jay General Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,137	NovacaineExpress wrote: Another thing that is very important if on a raid, talk to the other scouts in the raid and find out what debuffs they are using. I am not 100% positive on the mechanics of how raid/group debuffs work but I have heard 2 different options: 1) That similar debuff poisons do not stack from members in the same group within the raid and 2) That similar debuff poisons do not stack from members within entire raid Does anyone know the answer to this? Its just pointless to have debuff poisons running that are overwriting one another. It's always been my understanding that identical poison effects will not stack on the same target, regardless of where those effects are coming from. I could be mistaken, though. Either way, it pays to coordinate with other rogues and predators. __________________

05-18-2006, 09:02 PM	#25
Fennir Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 760	id really have to see some parses of 3-5 minute fights on yellow mobs where you reach 1100-1400 DPS without using any damage poisonsi mean unless you have 2-3 brigands cycling dispatch or something?feel free to prove me wrong tho i'd love to know how that is possible so i can stop sucking __________________ " I constanly read these forums and seeing your stupid sig starting too get to me" - finedork

05-18-2006, 10:42 PM	#26
Prandtl Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 474	I am still using my stash of Adestes and bite of the Shinisar (sp?) and add in gracelessness if grouping, phantasmic visions if soloing anything tough __________________

05-18-2006, 10:47 PM	#27
Teksun Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,048	Mental Breach all the way... unless i'm soloing... I'll pile on others for raids (debuff, etc), depending on what is needed. __________________ Nerf the Hobbits

05-19-2006, 01:57 AM	#28
Lightomen Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Nektulos Posts: 48	LoreLady wrote: I find myself burning my power alot quicker than you tobias, I always use mentol breach poisons.. I typiccally hit 1100-1400 dps though, and the mobs die really really quick. I burn power faster than any fighter ever could. And that dps is without using caustic tobias. I use all my melee abilities, and all my ranged on fights. I think the issue might be a combination of LoreLady having low AGI and how fast the MT pulls. Concentrate on STR and forget AGI and your power pool is extremely low. MT pulling speed makes a big deal. When we do Labs, our MT pulls very quickly after we finish off one mob and I find myself going OOP often. Most of the time we only stop to med up before named mobs. While our melee attacks are not a power sink, trying to chain all your spells together is. When I am going all out on Stag, which is most of the time, I am using my manastone, nec hearts, conj shards and drinking the lvl 70 drinks. I also have the Dark Fury Sabre of Anuk and MoA Instinct. My self buffed STR and AGI are almost the same 377 and 397. __________________ Staghorn 90 Kerran Ranger 90 Master Jeweler Fomerly from Lavastorm Proud Member of Has Gone LinkDead

05-20-2006, 03:39 AM	#29
USAFJeeper Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Georgia Posts: 276	I have to agree with Tobias (it pains me it really does ) I average over a raid about 800 DPS or so maybe lower. Sure in a quick fight I can put the fear of God in a beast and hit 1300-1400. I never run out of power, unless the rest of the raid/group is dead and then I run out of Health a the same time. As far as poisons Adestes, Glox/Djinn, tugurs/bliss Depending on group set up and what I find first in my little bag of poisons! Sometimes to save cash I will use Caustic in groups. __________________

05-20-2006, 05:10 AM	#30
Kiori Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 53	Just a question for you more knowledgeable rangers( just coming back to my ranger after a bit of a hiatus )I worked out the numbers for Rijacki poison( dot ) it does 1645 if it all goes off, adeste's does 739, do any of you raiders still use Rijacki, or if not, why not, do do repeat dot's over write each other?Thanks for your help with this, could save me some g