Chain or leather armour ?

Blok on EQ · 10-22-2005, 06:53 PM

Hi,

Just got my Ranger to level 20 and was wondering which is best for Ranger Leather or Chain armour?

I've noticed that Avoidance drops sunstantially if you equip Chain?

Any suggestions gratefully recieved.

Cheers.

Jay · 10-25-2005, 09:09 PM

Chain, for me. Others prefer leather for the increased avoidance and reduced expense. Personally, I want as much mitigation as I can get, but I haven't done hard testing to see the effects of switching over. I can't let go of my highly sexy pristine ebon chain anyway. SMILEY

Teksun · 10-25-2005, 09:23 PM

Personally, I'm looking at stats. Unfortunately I haven't seen a complied list of T6 leather armor (rare preffered)

leafnin · 10-25-2005, 09:36 PM

Stats are pretty much the same between LA and MA Legendary. I ran down a monk friend of mine and a Ranger from another guild decked out in almost all Cobalt chain (except Helm). Stats were pretty much the same from what I remember. There might be resist type differences, but can't remember off hand. I went chain due to higher number of tanking situations in my play.

Falcon

58 Ranger

Kithicor

Message Edited by leafnin on 10-25-2005 10:37 AM

Crychtonn · 10-26-2005, 02:28 AM

I haven't really checked since they did the whole revamp but prior to it LA had much higher resists and slightly better stat bonuses then MA. I know my old cold gear setup was 100% LA do to the higher resist it gave.

TaleraRis · 10-26-2005, 06:06 AM

I wear chain, but then again I solo a lot.

comwebgr · 10-27-2005, 09:14 PM

The armor quest armor is chain. my image of a ranger has always been leather though. they don't want any clanking of chain armor.

TaleraRis · 10-28-2005, 12:15 AM

Chain doesn't clank. That's plate.

Message Edited by TaleraRis on 10-27-2005 04:15 PM

Raahl · 10-28-2005, 12:41 AM

Chain. And do the armor quests.

Reilena · 10-28-2005, 12:50 AM

I perfer waring chain on a regular basis. The stats are better for the most part (that and my guild armorer gives it to me for cheap SMILEY ). But i'm also an RPer and have a set of leather i use on special occasions. I think the leather armor gives much more of the "woodsman" feel and look to it. Not to mention i have a lvl 10 moss-covered robe i ware frequently around the city... maybe i just like to play dress up :smileytongue:

Reilena
38 Ranger
Officer - Acoyltes of Valor
Antonia Bayle

Message Edited by Reilena on 10-27-2005 01:51 PM

Zholain · 10-28-2005, 02:36 AM

Just an fyi to all those that may be curious...I finally found a scaled leather tunic on the broker today. I wanted to compare it to cobalt. The stats were ABSOLUTELY IDENTICAL. The only difference in the two pieces is the mitigation...the chain had 76 points higher mitigation. Now you all know I will not wear anything but chain, but I sure hope there is some sort of hidden avoidance bonus to wearing leather...otherwise, wearing the leather would be a clear disadvantage.

Jay · 10-28-2005, 05:50 PM

Hmm, good info to have. I wouldn't opt for leather anyway, but it's definitely odd that the stats are identical except for the mitigation. Maybe the avoidance boost is worth it, but I've never tested that myself.

Dasanhgul · 10-28-2005, 05:54 PM

I remember seing a post from Moorgard about leather having higher avoidance than chain (or plate for that matter), but my web is so slow here in my office right now, that its taking ages to find it.

I'll post it if I do...

Valandur1975 · 10-28-2005, 06:25 PM

Another vote for Chain Armor, from this Barbarian Ranger. Some items I just need to have equipped for style rather than substance. So even if leather was a better option tactically, I would still be in chain.

Same deal with my affection for spathas over piercing weapons. SMILEY

Korb · 10-28-2005, 06:28 PM

I'm all leather, I switched once I hit 30 (32 now). I would have to say that I have a lot of fights that I don't get hit too often in. Sure when I get hit, it's for a lot but I usually end my fights quick enough that it doesn't hurt much. SMILEY

Maybe I can log some fights to see the difference.

Crychtonn · 10-29-2005, 12:23 AM

Which ever has higher Str on it. I'm currently using a combination of chain and leather (mostly chain). So far I've yet to upgrade any armor to Colbalt as I've found treasured items with much higher Str bonuses on them. Once I get my last 5-6 skills bumped up to Adept III maybe I'll work on some Colbalt armor but for now it's not a priority since it'd lower my over Str.

Anyone that's 58 or up should grab the Dust Dervish gloves from Cazel's. They are leather but have a nice +14 Str and +14 Agi and the mitigation isn't much lower then treasured T6 chain.

Zander Southwi · 10-29-2005, 11:37 AM

I used chain up until lvl 55 then I did some testing and went with leather.

1: leather is cheaper.

2: leather gives higher avoidance. roughly .7% per piece.

3: the mit on chain sucks anyway. i'm only 2% lower in mit than i was using chain armor (granted I didn't have any legendary stuff but I did have some danged nice treasured stuff.

4: stats are comprable.

5: leather just looks better!!

BTW....I'm not an offensive or defensive stance during this screenshot.

Zholain · 10-29-2005, 06:36 PM

Zander Southwind wrote:
I used chain up until lvl 55 then I did some testing and went with leather.
1: leather is cheaper.
This is not always true...especially in tier 6. The scaled tunic I was looking at (only one available) was for sale for over 5.5 plat...the most expensivecobalt coat was just over 4 plat.
2: leather gives higher avoidance. roughly .7% per piece.
This is good news. How in the heck were you able to get your hands on that number !? **envies curiously
3: the mit on chain sucks anyway. i'm only 2% lower in mit than i was using chain armor (granted I didn't have any legendary stuff but I did havesome danged nice treasured stuff.
You must compare apples to apples for this...meaning rare chain vs. rare leather. My mitigation with cobalt is 2121 at level 55..no buffs..not in group..no weapons equipped. That's significantly more than a 2% difference.
4: stats are comprable.
5: leather just looks better!!

In the end I don't think it really matters. Besides, the OP is just starting out and s/he should choose what s/he likes the most.

Jiinx · 10-30-2005, 05:38 AM

Before the combat re-vamp, chain clearly did a better job of protecting my health. With the combat re-vamp, though, chain has a noticable impact on avoidance. Trading chain for leather on any particular armor piece drops my avoidance by .7-.9%. On the other hand same-tier chain has better mitigation than leather. So, like Zholain posted, it really comes down to personal preference. Prioritize based on what is important to you: cost, looks, stats, avoidance versus mitigation. There is no clear "winner". I personally wear a mix.

Mentla · 10-31-2005, 09:18 PM

Ok, I'm at that stage where I need to decide which way I want my outfitter to go as I want to keep her making armor for herself. Are there any facts to suport the 7% avoidance claims? And, is it 7% per piece or in total? I had all-over leather I made myself, but some of it become out of date and some of it was replaced by quest armor. Does it matter that I'm now in a mixture (apart from the fact it looks awful SMILEY

)

Zholain · 10-31-2005, 11:45 PM

It's not 7%...it's .7%....as in seven tenths of a percent...per piece is what they've been stating. I have no idea where they are getting the data. This is just my perception...I happen to know several lvl 60 tailors, and several lvl 60 armorers. From what I can gather, armorer seems to be the more profitable profession...but that is really speculation on my part as I have not discussed that openly among the people that I know. Armorers just seem to be more in demand than tailors. Wear what you like....I can't emphasize that enough...whether it be chain, leather, or a mixture of both.

Jeff240 · 11-01-2005, 02:53 AM

Seems to be a poor comparison. Legendary leather versus sub-par chain. At 43, I've got 1490 mit. If you, at 50+ only had 2% more mit with chain (total of 1426).. that was some crummy chain. I'm wearing mostly fulginate stuff, jboots and a set of lvl 28 fabled gloves (which are only 20 mit higher than lvl 40 crafted stuff).

Zander Southwi · 11-01-2005, 07:35 AM

OK let me clarify some of my statements. I'm getting the .7% number by going off npc bought no stats leather compared to npc bought no stat chain. Although the same numbers seemed to come with the high end stuff. As far as my comparing T6 rare leather (which I have two peices of only) with "crummy chain" thats not quite true. I had mostly T6 treasured chain armor with very nice stats (several plat went into what I was wearing). I'm now in 2 T6 rare leather pieces and some mixed T5 rare and T6 treasured. All in all its quite comprable. The 2% i'm not getting from that xxxx mit number i'm getting it from the mit % you get when you highlight over the the xxxx number. I was at 26.x% now i'm at 23.x% give or take.

Mentla · 11-01-2005, 04:08 PM

well, I lvl-ed last night and decided to go with the leather. Mostly waering chain at the moment from looting and some pieces I made just to get me past lvl 20, and I had a tough decision - she looks sexy in chain and cute in leather. Went with cute SMILEY

Ibixat · 11-01-2005, 06:02 PM

Wear chain, leather cloth, it doesn't matter in a proper group or raid, you are not taking melee damage and your mitigation is meaningless, OR the mob is so sick that you will die in a single hit regardless of mitigation and so maybe the .7 more per piece avoidance can save you (yeah right) ... For soloing, if you are using anything but chain I feel for you, using legendary leather, that is as good as non legendary chain for mitigation if you can't afford the chain for some reason, is fine In the 50's the leather, at least on kithicor, is more expensive than the chain by quite a bit... The stats on them are identical , only the mitigation is different. by the way, if you honestly think that they would make the added avoidance from using leather over chain compensate for the loss of mitigation you are deluding yourself, There would be absolutely no point in having chan and leather if they were the same net effect when worn, Chain armor provides better protection than leather of comparable quality.

Message Edited by Ibixat on 11-01-2005 08:05 AM

Mentla · 11-01-2005, 10:06 PM

Ibixat wrote:
Wear chain, leather cloth, it doesn't matter in a proper group or raid, you are not taking melee damage and your mitigation is meaningless, OR the mob is so sick that you will die in a single hit regardless of mitigation and so maybe the .7 more per piece avoidance can save you (yeah right) ... For soloing, if you are using anything but chain I feel for you, using legendary leather, that is as good as non legendary chain for mitigation if you can't afford the chain for some reason, is fine In the 50's the leather, at least on kithicor, is more expensive than the chain by quite a bit... The stats on them are identical , only the mitigation is different. by the way, if you honestly think that they would make the added avoidance from using leather over chain compensate for the loss of mitigation you are deluding yourself, There would be absolutely no point in having chan and leather if they were the same net effect when worn, Chain armor provides better protection than leather of comparable quality.
Message Edited by Ibixat on 11-01-2005 08:05 AM

Cool, I'll take the harder road any day of the week and twice on Thursdays!

Axxon · 11-01-2005, 10:23 PM

At level 43, I keep a set of fulginate chain in my bag for soloing, but I usually (still) wear the enchanted woven thicket armor. When grouping, I do not expect to get hit and my strength is significantly higher in the light armor. I used to solo in it too, when avoidance seemed to actually mean something.

Rijacki · 11-02-2005, 12:30 AM

My baby ranger just hit 20 and I have been trying to consider how to juggle his gear. I can get the various pieces imbued with no problem, but I do have limited access to rares (trying to also afford T5 and T6 gear for a wizard and paladin respectively and T6 crafting has depleted my bank horribly). I'm considering rare leather chest and pants simply because the hides are cheaper than the steels while saving the 2 steels I have for a slasher (thinking about an axe) and a piercer (dagger, stiletto or rapier, haven't decided yet). I have a fir for the bow. I am considering, though, carrying around carbonite to swap out with the leather as need be. My ranger is not, I will admit, my primary character (Rijacki, my wizard, mostly has been since the revamp), but I do want him well equipped. I mostly duo with my boyfriend's fury (same level) but we might add others to the group, too.. not sure how much though. Am I better using the steels for the weapons or for the armor (and not get rare leather)?

Zholain · 11-02-2005, 12:35 AM

This is only my opinion, and probably isn't worth a grain of salt. But my weapons are always my first priority....especially since the combat update.

Jay · 11-02-2005, 03:58 AM

Zho, knock it off, your opinion is worth a whole blasted shaker of salt and you know it. I admire your humility tho. SMILEY

And it just happens that I agree 100%. Go figure! Unless you're a dedicated soloer or you routinely enter front-line combat in a duo or trio, I recommend always making your weapons your first priority. That's been my rule since I was old enough to understand what DPS meant - and we're there to cause damage, not take it, so my bow is always my first upgrade, followed by my DW slasher and piercer. After that point, I concentrate on armor and jewelry.

Rijacki, in your case, I don't think you'd have any problem settling for AQ armor (Trade Link chain) or imbued carbonite chain. Definitely save the steels for an imbued piercer / slasher combo. If you're in a duo most of the time, I think you want the extra mitigation from chainmail. Good luck SMILEY

10-25-2005, 09:09 PM	#2
Jay General Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,137	Chain, for me. Others prefer leather for the increased avoidance and reduced expense. Personally, I want as much mitigation as I can get, but I haven't done hard testing to see the effects of switching over. I can't let go of my highly sexy pristine ebon chain anyway. __________________

10-25-2005, 09:23 PM	#3
Teksun Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,048	Personally, I'm looking at stats. Unfortunately I haven't seen a complied list of T6 leather armor (rare preffered) __________________ Nerf the Hobbits

10-26-2005, 06:06 AM	#6
TaleraRis Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 2,083	I wear chain, but then again I solo a lot. __________________ Gwyneth Lecarde 90 Warty Arrow Flinger 90 Sword Shiner Najena Morgasand Ka'Bael 54 Roswellian Mind Scrambler 87 Shield Polisher Najena

10-27-2005, 09:14 PM	#7
comwebgr Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 46	The armor quest armor is chain. my image of a ranger has always been leather though. they don't want any clanking of chain armor. __________________ Kinkle 80+ Warden Wings of Tunare

10-28-2005, 12:15 AM	#8
TaleraRis Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 2,083	Chain doesn't clank. That's plate. Message Edited by TaleraRis on 10-27-2005 04:15 PM __________________ Gwyneth Lecarde 90 Warty Arrow Flinger 90 Sword Shiner Najena Morgasand Ka'Bael 54 Roswellian Mind Scrambler 87 Shield Polisher Najena

10-22-2005, 06:53 PM	#1
Blok on EQ Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1	Hi, Just got my Ranger to level 20 and was wondering which is best for Ranger Leather or Chain armour? I've noticed that Avoidance drops sunstantially if you equip Chain? Any suggestions gratefully recieved. Cheers.

10-25-2005, 09:36 PM	#4
leafnin Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 170	Stats are pretty much the same between LA and MA Legendary. I ran down a monk friend of mine and a Ranger from another guild decked out in almost all Cobalt chain (except Helm). Stats were pretty much the same from what I remember. There might be resist type differences, but can't remember off hand. I went chain due to higher number of tanking situations in my play. Falcon 58 Ranger Kithicor Message Edited by leafnin on 10-25-2005 10:37 AM

10-26-2005, 02:28 AM	#5
Crychtonn Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 684	I haven't really checked since they did the whole revamp but prior to it LA had much higher resists and slightly better stat bonuses then MA. I know my old cold gear setup was 100% LA do to the higher resist it gave.

10-28-2005, 12:41 AM	#9
Raahl Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,792	Chain. And do the armor quests. __________________ R.I.P. Najena Cougaar - 90 Dirge Corwin - 90 Guardian Raahl - 30 something Templar Kilped - 70'ish Ranger

10-28-2005, 12:50 AM	#10
Reilena Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Irvine, CA Posts: 135	I perfer waring chain on a regular basis. The stats are better for the most part (that and my guild armorer gives it to me for cheap ). But i'm also an RPer and have a set of leather i use on special occasions. I think the leather armor gives much more of the "woodsman" feel and look to it. Not to mention i have a lvl 10 moss-covered robe i ware frequently around the city... maybe i just like to play dress up :smileytongue: Reilena 38 Ranger Officer - Acoyltes of Valor Antonia Bayle Message Edited by Reilena on 10-27-2005 01:51 PM __________________ Reilena's Signatures

10-28-2005, 02:36 AM	#11
Zholain Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 641	Just an fyi to all those that may be curious...I finally found a scaled leather tunic on the broker today. I wanted to compare it to cobalt. The stats were ABSOLUTELY IDENTICAL. The only difference in the two pieces is the mitigation...the chain had 76 points higher mitigation. Now you all know I will not wear anything but chain, but I sure hope there is some sort of hidden avoidance bonus to wearing leather...otherwise, wearing the leather would be a clear disadvantage. __________________

10-28-2005, 05:50 PM	#12
Jay General Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,137	Hmm, good info to have. I wouldn't opt for leather anyway, but it's definitely odd that the stats are identical except for the mitigation. Maybe the avoidance boost is worth it, but I've never tested that myself. __________________

10-28-2005, 05:54 PM	#13
Dasanhgul Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Freeport Posts: 308	I remember seing a post from Moorgard about leather having higher avoidance than chain (or plate for that matter), but my web is so slow here in my office right now, that its taking ages to find it. I'll post it if I do...

10-28-2005, 06:25 PM	#14
Valandur1975 Lord Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 32	Another vote for Chain Armor, from this Barbarian Ranger. Some items I just need to have equipped for style rather than substance. So even if leather was a better option tactically, I would still be in chain. Same deal with my affection for spathas over piercing weapons. __________________

10-28-2005, 06:28 PM	#15
Korb General Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 161	I'm all leather, I switched once I hit 30 (32 now). I would have to say that I have a lot of fights that I don't get hit too often in. Sure when I get hit, it's for a lot but I usually end my fights quick enough that it doesn't hurt much. Maybe I can log some fights to see the difference.

10-29-2005, 12:23 AM	#16
Crychtonn Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 684	Which ever has higher Str on it. I'm currently using a combination of chain and leather (mostly chain). So far I've yet to upgrade any armor to Colbalt as I've found treasured items with much higher Str bonuses on them. Once I get my last 5-6 skills bumped up to Adept III maybe I'll work on some Colbalt armor but for now it's not a priority since it'd lower my over Str. Anyone that's 58 or up should grab the Dust Dervish gloves from Cazel's. They are leather but have a nice +14 Str and +14 Agi and the mitigation isn't much lower then treasured T6 chain.

10-29-2005, 11:37 AM	#17
Zander Southwi Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 13	I used chain up until lvl 55 then I did some testing and went with leather. 1: leather is cheaper. 2: leather gives higher avoidance. roughly .7% per piece. 3: the mit on chain sucks anyway. i'm only 2% lower in mit than i was using chain armor (granted I didn't have any legendary stuff but I did have some danged nice treasured stuff. 4: stats are comprable. 5: leather just looks better!! BTW....I'm not an offensive or defensive stance during this screenshot.

10-29-2005, 06:36 PM	#18
Zholain Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 641	Zander Southwind wrote: I used chain up until lvl 55 then I did some testing and went with leather. 1: leather is cheaper. This is not always true...especially in tier 6. The scaled tunic I was looking at (only one available) was for sale for over 5.5 plat...the most expensivecobalt coat was just over 4 plat. 2: leather gives higher avoidance. roughly .7% per piece. This is good news. How in the heck were you able to get your hands on that number !? **envies curiously 3: the mit on chain sucks anyway. i'm only 2% lower in mit than i was using chain armor (granted I didn't have any legendary stuff but I did havesome danged nice treasured stuff. You must compare apples to apples for this...meaning rare chain vs. rare leather. My mitigation with cobalt is 2121 at level 55..no buffs..not in group..no weapons equipped. That's significantly more than a 2% difference. 4: stats are comprable. 5: leather just looks better!! In the end I don't think it really matters. Besides, the OP is just starting out and s/he should choose what s/he likes the most. __________________

10-30-2005, 05:38 AM	#19
Jiinx Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 32	Before the combat re-vamp, chain clearly did a better job of protecting my health. With the combat re-vamp, though, chain has a noticable impact on avoidance. Trading chain for leather on any particular armor piece drops my avoidance by .7-.9%. On the other hand same-tier chain has better mitigation than leather. So, like Zholain posted, it really comes down to personal preference. Prioritize based on what is important to you: cost, looks, stats, avoidance versus mitigation. There is no clear "winner". I personally wear a mix.

10-31-2005, 09:18 PM	#20
Mentla Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 682	Ok, I'm at that stage where I need to decide which way I want my outfitter to go as I want to keep her making armor for herself. Are there any facts to suport the 7% avoidance claims? And, is it 7% per piece or in total? I had all-over leather I made myself, but some of it become out of date and some of it was replaced by quest armor. Does it matter that I'm now in a mixture (apart from the fact it looks awful ) __________________

10-31-2005, 11:45 PM	#21
Zholain Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 641	It's not 7%...it's .7%....as in seven tenths of a percent...per piece is what they've been stating. I have no idea where they are getting the data. This is just my perception...I happen to know several lvl 60 tailors, and several lvl 60 armorers. From what I can gather, armorer seems to be the more profitable profession...but that is really speculation on my part as I have not discussed that openly among the people that I know. Armorers just seem to be more in demand than tailors. Wear what you like....I can't emphasize that enough...whether it be chain, leather, or a mixture of both. __________________

11-01-2005, 02:53 AM	#22
Jeff240 Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 14	Seems to be a poor comparison. Legendary leather versus sub-par chain. At 43, I've got 1490 mit. If you, at 50+ only had 2% more mit with chain (total of 1426).. that was some crummy chain. I'm wearing mostly fulginate stuff, jboots and a set of lvl 28 fabled gloves (which are only 20 mit higher than lvl 40 crafted stuff).

11-01-2005, 07:35 AM	#23
Zander Southwi Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 13	OK let me clarify some of my statements. I'm getting the .7% number by going off npc bought no stats leather compared to npc bought no stat chain. Although the same numbers seemed to come with the high end stuff. As far as my comparing T6 rare leather (which I have two peices of only) with "crummy chain" thats not quite true. I had mostly T6 treasured chain armor with very nice stats (several plat went into what I was wearing). I'm now in 2 T6 rare leather pieces and some mixed T5 rare and T6 treasured. All in all its quite comprable. The 2% i'm not getting from that xxxx mit number i'm getting it from the mit % you get when you highlight over the the xxxx number. I was at 26.x% now i'm at 23.x% give or take.

11-01-2005, 04:08 PM	#24
Mentla Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 682	well, I lvl-ed last night and decided to go with the leather. Mostly waering chain at the moment from looting and some pieces I made just to get me past lvl 20, and I had a tough decision - she looks sexy in chain and cute in leather. Went with cute __________________

11-01-2005, 06:02 PM	#25
Ibixat Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 77	Wear chain, leather cloth, it doesn't matter in a proper group or raid, you are not taking melee damage and your mitigation is meaningless, OR the mob is so sick that you will die in a single hit regardless of mitigation and so maybe the .7 more per piece avoidance can save you (yeah right) ... For soloing, if you are using anything but chain I feel for you, using legendary leather, that is as good as non legendary chain for mitigation if you can't afford the chain for some reason, is fine In the 50's the leather, at least on kithicor, is more expensive than the chain by quite a bit... The stats on them are identical , only the mitigation is different. by the way, if you honestly think that they would make the added avoidance from using leather over chain compensate for the loss of mitigation you are deluding yourself, There would be absolutely no point in having chan and leather if they were the same net effect when worn, Chain armor provides better protection than leather of comparable quality. Message Edited by Ibixat on 11-01-2005 08:05 AM

11-01-2005, 10:06 PM	#26
Mentla Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 682	Ibixat wrote: Wear chain, leather cloth, it doesn't matter in a proper group or raid, you are not taking melee damage and your mitigation is meaningless, OR the mob is so sick that you will die in a single hit regardless of mitigation and so maybe the .7 more per piece avoidance can save you (yeah right) ... For soloing, if you are using anything but chain I feel for you, using legendary leather, that is as good as non legendary chain for mitigation if you can't afford the chain for some reason, is fine In the 50's the leather, at least on kithicor, is more expensive than the chain by quite a bit... The stats on them are identical , only the mitigation is different. by the way, if you honestly think that they would make the added avoidance from using leather over chain compensate for the loss of mitigation you are deluding yourself, There would be absolutely no point in having chan and leather if they were the same net effect when worn, Chain armor provides better protection than leather of comparable quality. Message Edited by Ibixat on 11-01-2005 08:05 AM Cool, I'll take the harder road any day of the week and twice on Thursdays! __________________

11-01-2005, 10:23 PM	#27
Axxon Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: The Discipleship Rank: Sovereign Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 417	At level 43, I keep a set of fulginate chain in my bag for soloing, but I usually (still) wear the enchanted woven thicket armor. When grouping, I do not expect to get hit and my strength is significantly higher in the light armor. I used to solo in it too, when avoidance seemed to actually mean something. __________________

11-02-2005, 12:30 AM	#28
Rijacki Tester Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,842	My baby ranger just hit 20 and I have been trying to consider how to juggle his gear. I can get the various pieces imbued with no problem, but I do have limited access to rares (trying to also afford T5 and T6 gear for a wizard and paladin respectively and T6 crafting has depleted my bank horribly). I'm considering rare leather chest and pants simply because the hides are cheaper than the steels while saving the 2 steels I have for a slasher (thinking about an axe) and a piercer (dagger, stiletto or rapier, haven't decided yet). I have a fir for the bow. I am considering, though, carrying around carbonite to swap out with the leather as need be. My ranger is not, I will admit, my primary character (Rijacki, my wizard, mostly has been since the revamp), but I do want him well equipped. I mostly duo with my boyfriend's fury (same level) but we might add others to the group, too.. not sure how much though. Am I better using the steels for the weapons or for the armor (and not get rare leather)? __________________

11-02-2005, 12:35 AM	#29
Zholain Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 641	This is only my opinion, and probably isn't worth a grain of salt. But my weapons are always my first priority....especially since the combat update. __________________

11-02-2005, 03:58 AM	#30
Jay General Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,137	Zho, knock it off, your opinion is worth a whole blasted shaker of salt and you know it. I admire your humility tho. And it just happens that I agree 100%. Go figure! Unless you're a dedicated soloer or you routinely enter front-line combat in a duo or trio, I recommend always making your weapons your first priority. That's been my rule since I was old enough to understand what DPS meant - and we're there to cause damage, not take it, so my bow is always my first upgrade, followed by my DW slasher and piercer. After that point, I concentrate on armor and jewelry. Rijacki, in your case, I don't think you'd have any problem settling for AQ armor (Trade Link chain) or imbued carbonite chain. Definitely save the steels for an imbued piercer / slasher combo. If you're in a duo most of the time, I think you want the extra mitigation from chainmail. Good luck __________________