leave if your not a dirge

maxxdama · 10-31-2005, 08:45 PM

Dirges have alot of problems we are weaker than many classes. What ive noticed most is tanking solo I cant solo anymore im stuck kiting with the nerfed bow shot they gave us and a couple spells that have long [Removed for Content] timers.

PS The message title was for all the non dirges I seem to see posting here making comments Im not going put down like so and so is stronger or so and so is weaker just fix our class

AndyTheSlay · 10-31-2005, 10:16 PM

You can copy and paste this same thing in every class forum just replace Dirge with any and every other class

Fromingo · 10-31-2005, 11:13 PM

Sure you can copy it to any other class but that doesn't make it true. My 40 Fury can solo white Heroic mobs without resorting to kiting. My 48 Dirge could not solo even con heroics in a stand up fight and probably could not even do it with kiting. Dirge's are like cloth casters now in their ability to take a hit yet they don't get the devastating ranged DPS that cloth casters get. We'd have to melee as well to even approach a caster and even then we'd not be as high DPS plus we just can't take those kinds of hits.

Jehannum · 10-31-2005, 11:27 PM

You also have another thing coming if you think it'll affect my behavior one whit. You guys have issues but are substantially balanced, and making statements like "I cant solo anymore" won't get anything accomplished.

As a troubadour I can no longer tank solo the way I used to, but I've found other ways to solo. Your post indicates that you're either not interested in working out how to solo, or that you've tried and failed. If the former, I have no sympathy whatsoever and in fact I'd cheer on your further failure in such a case. If the latter, you'll need to be a lot more specific in order for your dirge brethren to be effectively able to assist you in determining a better way to fight; most seem not to be having the same problems, to the same extent, as you've indicated.

And since we share several abilities, if I've got some advice to offer with respect to those shared abilities or a perceived synergy with something you have and I don't, you can bleedin' well shut up and read it.

Almanac · 10-31-2005, 11:28 PM

Fromingo wrote:
Sure you can copy it to any other class but that doesn't make it true. My 40 Fury can solo white Heroic mobs without resorting to kiting.

Strange, my 45 Fury gets killed if a non-green heroic mob so much as looks at her when I'm soloing. The light armor just makes it impossible to tank heroics.

My 48 Dirge could not solo even con heroics in a stand up fight and probably could not even do it with kiting. Dirge's are like cloth casters now in their ability to take a hit yet they don't get the devastating ranged DPS that cloth casters get. We'd have to melee as well to even approach a caster and even then we'd not be as high DPS plus we just can't take those kinds of hits.

Why is this so hard for people to understand? YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO SOLO HEROICS! The developers have stated this time and time again. Don't complain that your class sucks just because you can't solo heroics. Most classes can't. You aren't suppossed to be able to solo them. Some classes with really good gear and spells can, but its certainly not an effecient or even fun thing to do, and its more of an exception than the rule.

Please note that I am not necessarily saying Dirges are fine or that they don't need to be looked at, I just don't think that your ability to solo heroics is a fair or accurate measurement of how good any given class is.

Landsurvey · 11-01-2005, 12:09 AM

Well, all I will say is: I soloed from 53-60 getting as much as 50% day doing that so saying you can't solo is just not true.

Fromingo · 11-01-2005, 01:44 AM

Almanac wrote:

Fromingo wrote:
Sure you can copy it to any other class but that doesn't make it true. My 40 Fury can solo white Heroic mobs without resorting to kiting.

Strange, my 45 Fury gets killed if a non-green heroic mob so much as looks at her when I'm soloing. The light armor just makes it impossible to tank heroics.

My 48 Dirge could not solo even con heroics in a stand up fight and probably could not even do it with kiting. Dirge's are like cloth casters now in their ability to take a hit yet they don't get the devastating ranged DPS that cloth casters get. We'd have to melee as well to even approach a caster and even then we'd not be as high DPS plus we just can't take those kinds of hits.

Why is this so hard for people to understand? YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO SOLO HEROICS! The developers have stated this time and time again. Don't complain that your class sucks just because you can't solo heroics. Most classes can't. You aren't suppossed to be able to solo them. Some classes with really good gear and spells can, but its certainly not an effecient or even fun thing to do, and its more of an exception than the rule.

Please note that I am not necessarily saying Dirges are fine or that they don't need to be looked at, I just don't think that your ability to solo heroics is a fair or accurate measurement of how good any given class is.

The light armor has nothing to do with why your Fury cannot solo heroics. Fury have buffs that raise their mitigation and as a result my Fury approaches my Dirge's mitigation even though he's 8 level's above me. Fury's avoidance is still several % less though. Simply put my Fury can tank almost as well as the dirge, does decent DPS but can heal himself with mana efficiency which allows the fury to outlast the heroics. The dirge's hp's just drop too fast and the lifetaps can barely put a dent in the damage being taken. Some of the dirge's larger DPS spells requires time to execute which just adds to the problem.

It's as simple as this. Solo content is too easy for all my classes and therfore boring as hell. Heroic content provides challenge for my Fury but is beyond my Dirge's abilities even though the dirge has much better equipment, spells and DPS. EQ2 is now very boring, active guild players in /gu is looking like a ghost town as people get fed up/bored and leave. I've decided to play Dirge to 50 before I decide to cancel or not out of boredom. Dirge was 46 and Fury 39 when revamp came around. So I am leveling slower and slower as I play less and less and look for reasons to get on.

Fromingo · 11-01-2005, 01:50 AM

Landsurveyor wrote:
Well, all I will say is: I soloed from 53-60 getting as much as 50% day doing that so saying you can't solo is just not true.

That really means nothing without knowing more. How long is your "day"...1 hour, 2, 8, 12, more? Soloing what? Solo content? I find that boring. Maybe you don't and that's cool but personally I find that mindessly killing stuff that offers me no challenge kills my enthusiasm. No one's saying it's impossible to solo with a dirge. I'm just saying it's boring. I used to find it quite fun to find some really tough mobs and try to take them down solo. Now it's all either too easy or too hard. No happy middle ground.

andersonim · 11-01-2005, 02:32 AM

ok all this bussness about soloing..... ya we cant just stand up to a mob now and use our avoidence to survive. this sucks but there are other ways to solo, such as try rooting your target, cast debuffs, and lanet's as you run away, then at range use the bow shot, [which i like alot and isnt as bad as some people claim!] and any other ranged attacks then repeate if need be, or close in and finnish with mellee.

That simple! btw i'm a lvl 54 dirge:]

Almanac · 11-01-2005, 04:15 AM

Fromingo wrote:

The light armor has nothing to do with why your Fury cannot solo heroics. Fury have buffs that raise their mitigation and as a result my Fury approaches my Dirge's mitigation even though he's 8 level's above me. Fury's avoidance is still several % less though. Simply put my Fury can tank almost as well as the dirge, does decent DPS but can heal himself with mana efficiency which allows the fury to outlast the heroics. The dirge's hp's just drop too fast and the lifetaps can barely put a dent in the damage being taken. Some of the dirge's larger DPS spells requires time to execute which just adds to the problem.

It's as simple as this. Solo content is too easy for all my classes and therfore boring as hell. Heroic content provides challenge for my Fury but is beyond my Dirge's abilities even though the dirge has much better equipment, spells and DPS. EQ2 is now very boring, active guild players in /gu is looking like a ghost town as people get fed up/bored and leave. I've decided to play Dirge to 50 before I decide to cancel or not out of boredom. Dirge was 46 and Fury 39 when revamp came around. So I am leveling slower and slower as I play less and less and look for reasons to get on.

Are you sure you're playing a Fury? They don't get any mitigation buffs, and the agility buffs they do get aren't even close to making them comparable to a chain wearing scout defense-wise. In addition, furies have the least mana-efficient heals in the game, and can quickly burn through their power trying to solo a solo mob, let alone a heroic one (heroics tend to kill me before I'm oop simply because the heals can't keep up, even when I don't get any interrupts or fizzles).

But all that is beside the point. My original point still stands, you should not be saying dirges suck only because they cannot solo heroic mobs and other classes (allegedly) can. In general no one is meant to solo heroics (there are of course exceptions to every rule, some players/classes with good gear have an easier time doing this than others). Soloing heroics is not an accurate or fair baseline for determining how 'good' your class is, nor is comparing one class' ability to solo heroics against anothers. If you want to try to take on heroic mobs solo because you think the solo mobs are "too easy" than by all means go ahead, its your choice and I'm not going to dictate to you how you play. But don't come here and complain that dirges suck because you can't solo heroics when the devs have stated that you aren't supposed to be able to do it.

As for being bored because solos are too easy and heroics are too hard, I can't help you there, I've found that the level of challenge in this game is pretty darn good for me. Best of luck to you in trying to find the challenge you're looking for.

Message Edited by Almanac on 10-31-2005 05:16 PM

Priestbane · 11-01-2005, 05:16 AM

If furies don't get a mitigation buff, they are literally the only priest that doesn't.

With regard to solo challenge, the previous posters are correct, do not go play with even con heroics in a standup fight with a dirge and expect to survive. That's like playing a mage in a melee fight with a white con heroic. They will smear you, you are NOT meant to be a tank.

Working out HOW to solo an even con heroic I leave as a challenge to the poster. I can now solo bottom end green heroics, and am much more familiar with my dirge's abilities. I still don't go play with them for efficient soloing, but they ARE a challenge in a standup fight. But you WON'T get any sympathy from any dev about your ability to solo heroic content... while you may be able to do it, they aren't going to balance any content or abilities around that.

I find it ironic that you say you want challenge because solo content is boring, but you are ... uh... whining about how hard it is to take an even con heroic.

If you want a challenge, and solo content mobs of even or lower aren't providing it, then find some single ^ even con mobs, or better (those at least require you to pay attention), or some nice high-yellow multi-mob solo encounters. First of all, the solo multimob encounters are actually faster xp than the heroics you CAN solo stand-up, and second, they WILL provide you a challenge, that you CAN win. Orange ones are even harder, but you CAN do it, if you line up all your ducks correctly. =)

TheSummoned · 11-01-2005, 08:02 AM

If Tombs was made a dot... A wishfull thinking... Not asking for it to be as powerful as a poison, but something would be nice! Truth is that Dirges need something to help thier DPS.

Netcaitiff · 11-01-2005, 08:16 AM

I have not experienced the same problems solo as you have. When the cc came out, my Dirge was 44. He is now 49 (Would be much higher if I had not gotten hooked on CoV beta and now live). I did most of this solo in Sinking Sands. I started with blues, and worked my way up as I got more comfortable w/ the changes. As it stands now, I am comfortable going after most yellows straight up tanking, no kiting. For the testing I did, I was even did tons of yellows without most of my buffs running, and I could still do 2-3 in a row before a quick med break.

I really do not get why everyone thinks we are so [Removed for Content] now. My life as a dirge became Much easier after the Combat changes. Better solo (Quicker xp), and better in groups (More comments on how easy things are when I am in a group).

Beldin_ · 11-01-2005, 08:34 AM

OMG .. i'm gimped .. i cannot solo Darathar :smileysurprised:

firza · 11-01-2005, 01:01 PM

I am sorry to say, but the OP must have missed the many SOE comments on the LU13 Combat Changes.

No one is supposed to solo Heroics, but some elite special people with uba fuba stuff.

I can solo anything up to white one up arrow critters. Seems pritty ballanced compared to the objective.

Now if you mean you want to solo Heroics, thats not for this forum, but for any forum. And if you state that some classes can supposedly still solo heroics...there are always people who invent smart stuff enabling them to do what they should not. Go out there and invent SMILEY

I love most changes to us dirges, i just think we need some finetuning. Increasing our solo abilitie is not where I think we lack.

To that nice troubadour shooting into this post in such a drastic and harsh way....ah well, gotta love inter-class-relationships heh:smileyvery-happy:

mungo · 11-01-2005, 01:14 PM

I play a beastlord as my main I really dont see what all you bards are whinging about, the game seems balanced to me. Rangers still take harm touches and gnomes are good for mid-raid fun (read punt football). Oh wait I'm sure I saw this post 3 years ago on eqlive forums. Some people just can't help posting about things they really have no idea about. If you dont play a higher end dirge (having come through some of the lower levels since CU13 I dont think the main problems appear til 50+) then it's hard for you to make any valid comments about dirge issues to be fair... On the whole I think we all agree that dirges ARE better since LU13. What I think is blatantly obvious is that there ARE also real issues with the dirge class as it stands in todays game that NEED adressing by SOE. The lack of any kind of response from MoorBrawler or anyone else is upsetting and after the amount of posts on this board about or class problems, somewhat insulting.

spa · 11-01-2005, 06:40 PM

I think Dirges are better utility now. But soloing is worse than before DoF came out.

Kiting named's was fun, having a heal tick every 20secs was nice "flavour".

Now, kiting takes longer, and is extremely hard to kill blue heroic caster type mobs. Do-able, but not worth the time/effort, - would rather go watch paint dry :smileyhappy:

But i dont mind. Im a Bard, king of group buffs, nothing more nothing less. Just like a Cleric should be a pure healer, a Warrior should be a pure tank, err wait.. EQ2, ah ok...

vonillathegoril · 11-01-2005, 11:22 PM

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Cazri · 11-02-2005, 04:51 AM

vonillathegorilla wrote:

oo oo oo im in your forum oo oo oo oo oo

touch touch touch

Shounky Shneakykitty

Najena Server

57 Swash of DoD

/emote points at door

/say "out now you swashie scum, you've ruined your lands you'll not ruin ours!"

/useability Garsin's burial chant

[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] resisted again.

Ls · 11-02-2005, 05:52 AM

You just cant play your class.

Lornick · 11-02-2005, 03:12 PM

I'm honestly embarrassed to visit the dirge boards these days. So much unfounded whining and mind-numbing dribble.

Salmastryon · 11-02-2005, 03:14 PM

I wonder what dirge forum the OP is reading. Cause the majority of posts to this forum saying that Dirge's are generally ok and don't have trouble soloing are from dirges... Personally I got no problem with input from people who play other classes. After all I don't play on a dirge only server. I play with other classes.

Raijinn · 11-02-2005, 10:13 PM

I'm going to shut this thread down as it's flame bait.

Thanks!

10-31-2005, 11:28 PM	#5
Almanac Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 48	Fromingo wrote: Sure you can copy it to any other class but that doesn't make it true. My 40 Fury can solo white Heroic mobs without resorting to kiting. Strange, my 45 Fury gets killed if a non-green heroic mob so much as looks at her when I'm soloing. The light armor just makes it impossible to tank heroics. My 48 Dirge could not solo even con heroics in a stand up fight and probably could not even do it with kiting. Dirge's are like cloth casters now in their ability to take a hit yet they don't get the devastating ranged DPS that cloth casters get. We'd have to melee as well to even approach a caster and even then we'd not be as high DPS plus we just can't take those kinds of hits. Why is this so hard for people to understand? YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO SOLO HEROICS! The developers have stated this time and time again. Don't complain that your class sucks just because you can't solo heroics. Most classes can't. You aren't suppossed to be able to solo them. Some classes with really good gear and spells can, but its certainly not an effecient or even fun thing to do, and its more of an exception than the rule. Please note that I am not necessarily saying Dirges are fine or that they don't need to be looked at, I just don't think that your ability to solo heroics is a fair or accurate measurement of how good any given class is.

11-01-2005, 12:09 AM	#6
Landsurvey General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 119	Well, all I will say is: I soloed from 53-60 getting as much as 50% day doing that so saying you can't solo is just not true. __________________ Rasmussen Human Dirge on the Crushbone Server Level 60

11-01-2005, 01:44 AM	#7
Fromingo Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 536	Almanac wrote: Fromingo wrote: Sure you can copy it to any other class but that doesn't make it true. My 40 Fury can solo white Heroic mobs without resorting to kiting. Strange, my 45 Fury gets killed if a non-green heroic mob so much as looks at her when I'm soloing. The light armor just makes it impossible to tank heroics. My 48 Dirge could not solo even con heroics in a stand up fight and probably could not even do it with kiting. Dirge's are like cloth casters now in their ability to take a hit yet they don't get the devastating ranged DPS that cloth casters get. We'd have to melee as well to even approach a caster and even then we'd not be as high DPS plus we just can't take those kinds of hits. Why is this so hard for people to understand? YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO SOLO HEROICS! The developers have stated this time and time again. Don't complain that your class sucks just because you can't solo heroics. Most classes can't. You aren't suppossed to be able to solo them. Some classes with really good gear and spells can, but its certainly not an effecient or even fun thing to do, and its more of an exception than the rule. Please note that I am not necessarily saying Dirges are fine or that they don't need to be looked at, I just don't think that your ability to solo heroics is a fair or accurate measurement of how good any given class is. The light armor has nothing to do with why your Fury cannot solo heroics. Fury have buffs that raise their mitigation and as a result my Fury approaches my Dirge's mitigation even though he's 8 level's above me. Fury's avoidance is still several % less though. Simply put my Fury can tank almost as well as the dirge, does decent DPS but can heal himself with mana efficiency which allows the fury to outlast the heroics. The dirge's hp's just drop too fast and the lifetaps can barely put a dent in the damage being taken. Some of the dirge's larger DPS spells requires time to execute which just adds to the problem. It's as simple as this. Solo content is too easy for all my classes and therfore boring as hell. Heroic content provides challenge for my Fury but is beyond my Dirge's abilities even though the dirge has much better equipment, spells and DPS. EQ2 is now very boring, active guild players in /gu is looking like a ghost town as people get fed up/bored and leave. I've decided to play Dirge to 50 before I decide to cancel or not out of boredom. Dirge was 46 and Fury 39 when revamp came around. So I am leveling slower and slower as I play less and less and look for reasons to get on.

11-01-2005, 01:50 AM	#8
Fromingo Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 536	Landsurveyor wrote: Well, all I will say is: I soloed from 53-60 getting as much as 50% day doing that so saying you can't solo is just not true. That really means nothing without knowing more. How long is your "day"...1 hour, 2, 8, 12, more? Soloing what? Solo content? I find that boring. Maybe you don't and that's cool but personally I find that mindessly killing stuff that offers me no challenge kills my enthusiasm. No one's saying it's impossible to solo with a dirge. I'm just saying it's boring. I used to find it quite fun to find some really tough mobs and try to take them down solo. Now it's all either too easy or too hard. No happy middle ground.

11-01-2005, 02:32 AM	#9
andersonim Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Anchorage AK Posts: 111	ok all this bussness about soloing..... ya we cant just stand up to a mob now and use our avoidence to survive. this sucks but there are other ways to solo, such as try rooting your target, cast debuffs, and lanet's as you run away, then at range use the bow shot, [which i like alot and isnt as bad as some people claim!] and any other ranged attacks then repeate if need be, or close in and finnish with mellee. That simple! btw i'm a lvl 54 dirge:] __________________ http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a29...r/xann_sig.png http://signatures.myarmedforces.com/..._signature.png

10-31-2005, 08:45 PM	#1
maxxdama Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 4	Dirges have alot of problems we are weaker than many classes. What ive noticed most is tanking solo I cant solo anymore im stuck kiting with the nerfed bow shot they gave us and a couple spells that have long [Removed for Content] timers. PS The message title was for all the non dirges I seem to see posting here making comments Im not going put down like so and so is stronger or so and so is weaker just fix our class

10-31-2005, 10:16 PM	#2
AndyTheSlay Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: St. Louis Posts: 52	You can copy and paste this same thing in every class forum just replace Dirge with any and every other class

10-31-2005, 11:13 PM	#3
Fromingo Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 536	Sure you can copy it to any other class but that doesn't make it true. My 40 Fury can solo white Heroic mobs without resorting to kiting. My 48 Dirge could not solo even con heroics in a stand up fight and probably could not even do it with kiting. Dirge's are like cloth casters now in their ability to take a hit yet they don't get the devastating ranged DPS that cloth casters get. We'd have to melee as well to even approach a caster and even then we'd not be as high DPS plus we just can't take those kinds of hits.

10-31-2005, 11:27 PM	#4
Jehannum Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 651	You also have another thing coming if you think it'll affect my behavior one whit. You guys have issues but are substantially balanced, and making statements like "I cant solo anymore" won't get anything accomplished. As a troubadour I can no longer tank solo the way I used to, but I've found other ways to solo. Your post indicates that you're either not interested in working out how to solo, or that you've tried and failed. If the former, I have no sympathy whatsoever and in fact I'd cheer on your further failure in such a case. If the latter, you'll need to be a lot more specific in order for your dirge brethren to be effectively able to assist you in determining a better way to fight; most seem not to be having the same problems, to the same extent, as you've indicated. And since we share several abilities, if I've got some advice to offer with respect to those shared abilities or a perceived synergy with something you have and I don't, you can bleedin' well shut up and read it.

11-01-2005, 04:15 AM	#10
Almanac Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 48	Fromingo wrote: The light armor has nothing to do with why your Fury cannot solo heroics. Fury have buffs that raise their mitigation and as a result my Fury approaches my Dirge's mitigation even though he's 8 level's above me. Fury's avoidance is still several % less though. Simply put my Fury can tank almost as well as the dirge, does decent DPS but can heal himself with mana efficiency which allows the fury to outlast the heroics. The dirge's hp's just drop too fast and the lifetaps can barely put a dent in the damage being taken. Some of the dirge's larger DPS spells requires time to execute which just adds to the problem. It's as simple as this. Solo content is too easy for all my classes and therfore boring as hell. Heroic content provides challenge for my Fury but is beyond my Dirge's abilities even though the dirge has much better equipment, spells and DPS. EQ2 is now very boring, active guild players in /gu is looking like a ghost town as people get fed up/bored and leave. I've decided to play Dirge to 50 before I decide to cancel or not out of boredom. Dirge was 46 and Fury 39 when revamp came around. So I am leveling slower and slower as I play less and less and look for reasons to get on. Are you sure you're playing a Fury? They don't get any mitigation buffs, and the agility buffs they do get aren't even close to making them comparable to a chain wearing scout defense-wise. In addition, furies have the least mana-efficient heals in the game, and can quickly burn through their power trying to solo a solo mob, let alone a heroic one (heroics tend to kill me before I'm oop simply because the heals can't keep up, even when I don't get any interrupts or fizzles). But all that is beside the point. My original point still stands, you should not be saying dirges suck only because they cannot solo heroic mobs and other classes (allegedly) can. In general no one is meant to solo heroics (there are of course exceptions to every rule, some players/classes with good gear have an easier time doing this than others). Soloing heroics is not an accurate or fair baseline for determining how 'good' your class is, nor is comparing one class' ability to solo heroics against anothers. If you want to try to take on heroic mobs solo because you think the solo mobs are "too easy" than by all means go ahead, its your choice and I'm not going to dictate to you how you play. But don't come here and complain that dirges suck because you can't solo heroics when the devs have stated that you aren't supposed to be able to do it. As for being bored because solos are too easy and heroics are too hard, I can't help you there, I've found that the level of challenge in this game is pretty darn good for me. Best of luck to you in trying to find the challenge you're looking for. Message Edited by Almanac on 10-31-2005 05:16 PM

11-01-2005, 05:16 AM	#11
Priestbane Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,527	If furies don't get a mitigation buff, they are literally the only priest that doesn't. With regard to solo challenge, the previous posters are correct, do not go play with even con heroics in a standup fight with a dirge and expect to survive. That's like playing a mage in a melee fight with a white con heroic. They will smear you, you are NOT meant to be a tank. Working out HOW to solo an even con heroic I leave as a challenge to the poster. I can now solo bottom end green heroics, and am much more familiar with my dirge's abilities. I still don't go play with them for efficient soloing, but they ARE a challenge in a standup fight. But you WON'T get any sympathy from any dev about your ability to solo heroic content... while you may be able to do it, they aren't going to balance any content or abilities around that. I find it ironic that you say you want challenge because solo content is boring, but you are ... uh... whining about how hard it is to take an even con heroic. If you want a challenge, and solo content mobs of even or lower aren't providing it, then find some single ^ even con mobs, or better (those at least require you to pay attention), or some nice high-yellow multi-mob solo encounters. First of all, the solo multimob encounters are actually faster xp than the heroics you CAN solo stand-up, and second, they WILL provide you a challenge, that you CAN win. Orange ones are even harder, but you CAN do it, if you line up all your ducks correctly. =) __________________

11-01-2005, 08:02 AM	#12
TheSummoned Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 713	If Tombs was made a dot... A wishfull thinking... Not asking for it to be as powerful as a poison, but something would be nice! Truth is that Dirges need something to help thier DPS. __________________ __________________________ Yukia, Darathar's bruiser - Retired Ajeco, 70 Splitpaw bruiser - Retired Ezahia, dirge of Validus, Splitpaw

11-01-2005, 08:16 AM	#13
Netcaitiff Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 23	I have not experienced the same problems solo as you have. When the cc came out, my Dirge was 44. He is now 49 (Would be much higher if I had not gotten hooked on CoV beta and now live). I did most of this solo in Sinking Sands. I started with blues, and worked my way up as I got more comfortable w/ the changes. As it stands now, I am comfortable going after most yellows straight up tanking, no kiting. For the testing I did, I was even did tons of yellows without most of my buffs running, and I could still do 2-3 in a row before a quick med break. I really do not get why everyone thinks we are so [Removed for Content] now. My life as a dirge became Much easier after the Combat changes. Better solo (Quicker xp), and better in groups (More comments on how easy things are when I am in a group).

11-01-2005, 08:34 AM	#14
Beldin_ Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,343	OMG .. i'm gimped .. i cannot solo Darathar :smileysurprised: __________________

11-01-2005, 01:01 PM	#15
firza Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 640	I am sorry to say, but the OP must have missed the many SOE comments on the LU13 Combat Changes. No one is supposed to solo Heroics, but some elite special people with uba fuba stuff. I can solo anything up to white one up arrow critters. Seems pritty ballanced compared to the objective. Now if you mean you want to solo Heroics, thats not for this forum, but for any forum. And if you state that some classes can supposedly still solo heroics...there are always people who invent smart stuff enabling them to do what they should not. Go out there and invent I love most changes to us dirges, i just think we need some finetuning. Increasing our solo abilitie is not where I think we lack. To that nice troubadour shooting into this post in such a drastic and harsh way....ah well, gotta love inter-class-relationships heh:smileyvery-happy:

11-01-2005, 01:14 PM	#16
mungo Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 28	I play a beastlord as my main I really dont see what all you bards are whinging about, the game seems balanced to me. Rangers still take harm touches and gnomes are good for mid-raid fun (read punt football). Oh wait I'm sure I saw this post 3 years ago on eqlive forums. Some people just can't help posting about things they really have no idea about. If you dont play a higher end dirge (having come through some of the lower levels since CU13 I dont think the main problems appear til 50+) then it's hard for you to make any valid comments about dirge issues to be fair... On the whole I think we all agree that dirges ARE better since LU13. What I think is blatantly obvious is that there ARE also real issues with the dirge class as it stands in todays game that NEED adressing by SOE. The lack of any kind of response from MoorBrawler or anyone else is upsetting and after the amount of posts on this board about or class problems, somewhat insulting. __________________

11-01-2005, 06:40 PM	#17
spa General Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: UK Posts: 175	I think Dirges are better utility now. But soloing is worse than before DoF came out. Kiting named's was fun, having a heal tick every 20secs was nice "flavour". Now, kiting takes longer, and is extremely hard to kill blue heroic caster type mobs. Do-able, but not worth the time/effort, - would rather go watch paint dry :smileyhappy: But i dont mind. Im a Bard, king of group buffs, nothing more nothing less. Just like a Cleric should be a pure healer, a Warrior should be a pure tank, err wait.. EQ2, ah ok...

11-01-2005, 11:22 PM	#18
vonillathegoril General Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 36	oo oo oo im in your forum oo oo oo oo oo touch touch touch Shounky Shneakykitty Najena Server 57 Swash of DoD

11-02-2005, 04:51 AM	#19
Cazri Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 68	vonillathegorilla wrote: oo oo oo im in your forum oo oo oo oo oo touch touch touch Shounky Shneakykitty Najena Server 57 Swash of DoD /emote points at door /say "out now you swashie scum, you've ruined your lands you'll not ruin ours!" /useability Garsin's burial chant [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] resisted again. __________________ Cazaril 70 Dirge 60 Weaponsmith Memento Mori - Najena

11-02-2005, 05:52 AM	#20
Ls Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 63	You just cant play your class.

11-02-2005, 03:12 PM	#21
Lornick Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Boise, ID Posts: 1,114	I'm honestly embarrassed to visit the dirge boards these days. So much unfounded whining and mind-numbing dribble. __________________

11-02-2005, 03:14 PM	#22
Salmastryon Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 616	I wonder what dirge forum the OP is reading. Cause the majority of posts to this forum saying that Dirge's are generally ok and don't have trouble soloing are from dirges... Personally I got no problem with input from people who play other classes. After all I don't play on a dirge only server. I play with other classes.

11-02-2005, 10:13 PM	#23
Raijinn Community Relations Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 406	I'm going to shut this thread down as it's flame bait. Thanks! __________________ Regards, Joel "Raijinn" Sasaki