Jester's cap broken?

Dwergux · 09-08-2006, 03:59 PM

Last night I was soloing the last bit of Lost Legend HQ in Sol Eye when I escaped back to the zone-in.Before escaping I used Jester's Cap on me for 40% faster reuse (I have the M1 version). My recast for Escape was reduced, but not by 40%. The hotkey said that the skill would be up again in 11 minutes.Maybe I'm thinking wrong, but 40% reduced reuse timer would make the reuse timer 60% of 15 minutes which is 9 minutes instead of 11.

ForgottenFoundling · 09-08-2006, 07:24 PM

it's been this way since it went live

Via fuzzy math their 40% reduction equates to about 29% real reduction in recast times. I've changed my macros to reflect it because it bothered me to keep answering the same question over and over again.

Dwergux · 09-08-2006, 11:05 PM

Typical...isn't 29% the reduction on the Ad1?

Sanju · 09-09-2006, 12:37 AM

No idea, but even if it was the 29% on the Ad1 would be more like 18%.

Rampagious · 09-09-2006, 02:57 AM

Yeah its been broken since realease of KoS and multiple posts have been made...still nothing, no suprise of course.

Kajinryu · 09-11-2006, 05:28 AM

It improves your recast by 40%, not reduce your recast by 40%. So the recast ends up being [15 mins / (100+40%)], or roughly 10:42 minutes. When done this way, using the same damage ability over time (and assuming the ability did the same amount every time), damage improves by 40%. Which really isn't fuzzy math imo, and the only fix would be to change the ability to say that it improves recast timers (only if it currently says it reduces them). Do people have the same problem with our attack speed song? Do you really expect the 100% attack haste that melee strives toward to allow you to attack every 0.0 seconds?

Message Edited by Kajinryu on 09-10-2006 06:37 PM

Shadoerider · 09-11-2006, 09:36 AM

I find that it doesn't work on certian spells though I have been using it before I cast bladedance an AA line spell in the hopes I would be able to reduce the 10min recast time but unfortunatly it stays at 10 min everytime I use it.

Sanju · 09-11-2006, 03:54 PM

Shadoerider wrote:
I find that it doesn't work on certian spells though I have been using it before I cast bladedance an AA line spell in the hopes I would be able to reduce the 10min recast time but unfortunatly it stays at 10 min everytime I use it.

Are you sure you cast it on yourself? I only ask because it absolutely does work on Bladedance, and every other spell or item in the game.

Dwergux · 09-11-2006, 07:32 PM

Kajinryu wrote:
It improves your recast by 40%, not reduce your recast by 40%. So the recast ends up being [15 mins / (100+40%)], or roughly 10:42 minutes. When done this way, using the same damage ability over time (and assuming the ability did the same amount every time), damage improves by 40%. Which really isn't fuzzy math imo, and the only fix would be to change the ability to say that it improves recast timers (only if it currently says it reduces them). Do people have the same problem with our attack speed song? Do you really expect the 100% attack haste that melee strives toward to allow you to attack every 0.0 seconds?
Message Edited by Kajinryu on 09-10-2006 06:37 PM

That explains the re-use timer, thanks for the info.

Crimson Dragon · 09-12-2006, 06:23 PM

Kajinryu wrote:
It improves your recast by 40%, not reduce your recast by 40%. So the recast ends up being [15 mins / (100+40%)], or roughly 10:42 minutes. When done this way, using the same damage ability over time (and assuming the ability did the same amount every time), damage improves by 40%. Which really isn't fuzzy math imo, and the only fix would be to change the ability to say that it improves recast timers (only if it currently says it reduces them). Do people have the same problem with our attack speed song? Do you really expect the 100% attack haste that melee strives toward to allow you to attack every 0.0 seconds?
Message Edited by Kajinryu on 09-10-2006 06:37 PM

well, we already know that attack speed is a mimimum 1.0 second delay. which is why some people pick higher delay weapons and then eat up the haste and dps buffs.however, your math does make sense with the 40%. thanks for the clarification.

09-08-2006, 03:59 PM	#1
Dwergux Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 353	Last night I was soloing the last bit of Lost Legend HQ in Sol Eye when I escaped back to the zone-in.Before escaping I used Jester's Cap on me for 40% faster reuse (I have the M1 version). My recast for Escape was reduced, but not by 40%. The hotkey said that the skill would be up again in 11 minutes.Maybe I'm thinking wrong, but 40% reduced reuse timer would make the reuse timer 60% of 15 minutes which is 9 minutes instead of 11. __________________

09-08-2006, 07:24 PM	#2
ForgottenFoundling Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 373	it's been this way since it went live Via fuzzy math their 40% reduction equates to about 29% real reduction in recast times. I've changed my macros to reflect it because it bothered me to keep answering the same question over and over again. __________________ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Poofe Fromage the Fragrant - Erudite Troubadour 80 / Tailor 80 - Qeynos - ButcherBlock/Highkeep

09-08-2006, 11:05 PM	#3
Dwergux Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 353	Typical...isn't 29% the reduction on the Ad1? __________________

09-09-2006, 12:37 AM	#4
Sanju Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 305	No idea, but even if it was the 29% on the Ad1 would be more like 18%. __________________

09-09-2006, 02:57 AM	#5
Rampagious Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 188	Yeah its been broken since realease of KoS and multiple posts have been made...still nothing, no suprise of course. __________________ Rampagious - Dissolution

09-11-2006, 05:28 AM	#6
Kajinryu Lord Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 29	It improves your recast by 40%, not reduce your recast by 40%. So the recast ends up being [15 mins / (100+40%)], or roughly 10:42 minutes. When done this way, using the same damage ability over time (and assuming the ability did the same amount every time), damage improves by 40%. Which really isn't fuzzy math imo, and the only fix would be to change the ability to say that it improves recast timers (only if it currently says it reduces them). Do people have the same problem with our attack speed song? Do you really expect the 100% attack haste that melee strives toward to allow you to attack every 0.0 seconds? Message Edited by Kajinryu on 09-10-2006 06:37 PM

09-11-2006, 09:36 AM	#7
Shadoerider Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ivins, UT Posts: 43	I find that it doesn't work on certian spells though I have been using it before I cast bladedance an AA line spell in the hopes I would be able to reduce the 10min recast time but unfortunatly it stays at 10 min everytime I use it. __________________ www.trggaming.net

09-11-2006, 03:54 PM	#8
Sanju Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 305	Shadoerider wrote: I find that it doesn't work on certian spells though I have been using it before I cast bladedance an AA line spell in the hopes I would be able to reduce the 10min recast time but unfortunatly it stays at 10 min everytime I use it. Are you sure you cast it on yourself? I only ask because it absolutely does work on Bladedance, and every other spell or item in the game. __________________

09-11-2006, 07:32 PM	#9
Dwergux Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 353	Kajinryu wrote: It improves your recast by 40%, not reduce your recast by 40%. So the recast ends up being [15 mins / (100+40%)], or roughly 10:42 minutes. When done this way, using the same damage ability over time (and assuming the ability did the same amount every time), damage improves by 40%. Which really isn't fuzzy math imo, and the only fix would be to change the ability to say that it improves recast timers (only if it currently says it reduces them). Do people have the same problem with our attack speed song? Do you really expect the 100% attack haste that melee strives toward to allow you to attack every 0.0 seconds? Message Edited by Kajinryu on 09-10-2006 06:37 PM That explains the re-use timer, thanks for the info. __________________

09-12-2006, 06:23 PM	#10
Crimson Dragon Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 913	Kajinryu wrote: It improves your recast by 40%, not reduce your recast by 40%. So the recast ends up being [15 mins / (100+40%)], or roughly 10:42 minutes. When done this way, using the same damage ability over time (and assuming the ability did the same amount every time), damage improves by 40%. Which really isn't fuzzy math imo, and the only fix would be to change the ability to say that it improves recast timers (only if it currently says it reduces them). Do people have the same problem with our attack speed song? Do you really expect the 100% attack haste that melee strives toward to allow you to attack every 0.0 seconds? Message Edited by Kajinryu on 09-10-2006 06:37 PM well, we already know that attack speed is a mimimum 1.0 second delay. which is why some people pick higher delay weapons and then eat up the haste and dps buffs.however, your math does make sense with the 40%. thanks for the clarification. __________________ The best way to predict the future is to create it.