Requiem clarification pls

kques · 06-19-2006, 11:28 PM

Have some questions regarding Requiem of Reflection. Since the new changes I have bin trying to see how this buff works. I can tell you that I am not some one who parses my logs so the best I can hope to do is just see it proc and then look at my running combat log, so I am sure I miss a lot.

My questions are this;

Is there any one out there that has some hard numbers on this? I know by its nature Requiem is situational, i.e. it should proc more off caster mobs (I think).

Which leads me to my second question; I am not at all exactly sure how this works. The way I am taking it from some observation and the tool tips is, if it procs it will absorb the next hostel spell, and then reflect it back at that same amount. However in the patch notes it mentions non-profession spell damage and I don’t have a clue as to what that is.

For example; if a mob castes a spell for 300dmg causing Requiem to go off, then castes another spell for 300dmg within 30sec that spell will be absorbed and shot back for 300dmg. Once more the reference to non-profession spell damage is causing me to question this.

Thank you in advance for any one that can provide some numbers on this, as well as a further clarification and or correction to my thinking.

Otto 58 troub

Rikini · 06-20-2006, 12:30 AM

Profession / non-Profession

Any mob with an innate power is non-Profession.

Any mob that is a class, say a wizard-class, and uses wizard spells as part of it's attack repertoire, those are Profession spells.

As far as I know, for the entire duration of an activation - Profession spells get 'turned back' at their caster source. Any non-Profession powers get absorbed.

Mulilla · 06-20-2006, 11:11 AM

At first i was really happy to see finally RoR get fixed, but now i think the fix wasn't the right one. Maybe i should pick carefully the mobs i should fight, but it seems proccing almost as usual (that is, almost nothing). I will have to test it harder, but i still think that this spell isn't worth. Most of the time i see the efect trigger and wait there... 30 seconds... fade out... nothing. My buffs aren't so ubbah, but i prefer to use a conc slot for something else.

Does anyone find a particular scenario where RoR is useful? Has anyone gave it a try in some particular named-epic mob encounter and has been useful?

Thank you

Edit: With "proccing" i dont mean proc, but reflect. It procs, but rarely reflects

Message Edited by Mulillla on 06-20-2006 09:13 AM

Godzmodi · 06-20-2006, 02:16 PM

i have tested it in raids with aoes ( which most all do) and i do see it procing, alot. well alot more than it use too. you even get the stoneskin message on your screen. i like the change to it and will try to impliment it more in to my daily raiding.

kques · 06-20-2006, 02:36 PM

Profession / non-Profession
Any mob with an innate power is non-Profession.
Any mob that is a class, say a wizard-class, and uses wizard spells as part of it's attack repertoire, those are Profession spells.
As far as I know, for the entire duration of an activation - Profession spells get 'turned back' at their caster source. Any non-Profession powers get absorbed.

Thanks Rikini that acutely clears up a lot for me. :smileyhappy:

The more I have bin looking at this it seems to be a good change. Especially with aoe mobs, bin seeing the stoneskin message pop up quite a bit. How ever I still have not bin able to tell if it ever reflects any damage back.

Mulilla · 06-20-2006, 02:56 PM

Godzmodiar wrote:
i have tested it in raids with aoes ( which most all do) and i do see it procing, alot. well alot more than it use too. you even get the stoneskin message on your screen. i like the change to it and will try to impliment it more in to my daily raiding.

I suppose you mean AoE dots, because 30 secs is little time for 2 AoEs. If it could absorb a dot tic of those AoEs in a couple of folks in you group it might be worthy. Did you mean that?

Godzmodi · 06-20-2006, 04:56 PM

dunno bout that one. the bird x2 in roost for instance. its just a reg magic ae. no dot. i saw many times where the AE went off and like 3 of my group members proced RoR. there was not 2 AEs. only one. yet it stoneskinned. i even asked if it had the stoneskin msg and it did ( i had the stone skin msg as well)

Jooneau · 06-20-2006, 09:17 PM

This spell is still crap, because it still requires the person to take damage before the temporary 30 sec buff is up.They should change it to a % change to absorb damage or reflect while the actual buff is up, not when the temporary buff is up.That or get rid of the concentration slot requirement.

Message Edited by Jooneau on 06-20-2006 01:18 PM

Dizank · 06-21-2006, 12:58 AM

I totally agree with the above poster. If it were a set % chance to always absorb/reflect I could see using this spell alot more then I would ever now. Its just not worth the conc spot.

missing_peace · 06-22-2006, 08:25 PM

My final verdict:

Still not useful.

It does not activate nearly often enough and does not last long enough when it does activate. After comparing logs with a dirge... percussion of stone would proc much more often and would absorb a hit 100% percent of the time due to mob auto-attack. Reflection does not proc often because of the low number of spell attacks a mob will use complared to melee and the proc will expire more than 50% of the time without absorbing or reflecting anything.

Try again.

Dizank · 06-29-2006, 01:27 AM

I wonder if this will ever get changed to become somewhat useful. I even went out and got the spell made but the low % chance to proc the buff and then have the mob actually cast again for it to be useful is so slim that I cant see giving up a conc spot for it as it stands.

Tri · 07-05-2006, 08:14 PM

Let's not start another stoneskin / RoR debate as it's quite obvious where it ll end But there is a use for our requiem, in addition to having nice spell graphics this buff is nice for traveling. Canceling that snare is a life saver, even more a root. I'm sure most peeps experienced a rooted till death situation. But i doubt this is what the spell was created for. I would like though the critics of high end raiders on this spell. As i believe too that a fixed % of reflection would be better in raid/ group situations, yet i have not checked the logs enough to know how we should react towards this spell. Have you seen it proc in raids? do you feel the diference? My in raid / xp group experiences of this spell were lame and i ve been trying it out lately and this spell helps a lot less than decent gear. This special spell seems too useless and something most be done to make them aware of it. The solutions are simple to, fixed % to reflect , 30 more seconds for the effect , or even a PotM type song like our AA. Teldea 70 troubadour Permafrost

Myk · 07-07-2006, 03:17 AM

I have been using requiem quite a bit in group play and solo/duo situations. It seems to proc pretty frequently. I was in an HoF group last night with a swashy tanking and only one healer, and the swashy remarked that stoneskin absorbed a 6K hit at one point. He probably would have died and our 5-man group would have wiped for the only time that night.

Without crunching any numbers to quantify the effectiveness of RoR, anecdotally I would say it's worthwhile to use in many situations.

06-20-2006, 12:30 AM	#2
Rikini Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 44	Profession / non-Profession Any mob with an innate power is non-Profession. Any mob that is a class, say a wizard-class, and uses wizard spells as part of it's attack repertoire, those are Profession spells. As far as I know, for the entire duration of an activation - Profession spells get 'turned back' at their caster source. Any non-Profession powers get absorbed. __________________

06-20-2006, 11:11 AM	#3
Mulilla Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 116	At first i was really happy to see finally RoR get fixed, but now i think the fix wasn't the right one. Maybe i should pick carefully the mobs i should fight, but it seems proccing almost as usual (that is, almost nothing). I will have to test it harder, but i still think that this spell isn't worth. Most of the time i see the efect trigger and wait there... 30 seconds... fade out... nothing. My buffs aren't so ubbah, but i prefer to use a conc slot for something else. Does anyone find a particular scenario where RoR is useful? Has anyone gave it a try in some particular named-epic mob encounter and has been useful? Thank you Edit: With "proccing" i dont mean proc, but reflect. It procs, but rarely reflects Message Edited by Mulillla on 06-20-2006 09:13 AM __________________ Mulilla - [Venganza] 80 ~~Troubador~~ ~~Buff Bot~~ Fast Runner from Crushbone

06-20-2006, 02:36 PM	#5
kques Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3	Profession / non-Profession Any mob with an innate power is non-Profession. Any mob that is a class, say a wizard-class, and uses wizard spells as part of it's attack repertoire, those are Profession spells. As far as I know, for the entire duration of an activation - Profession spells get 'turned back' at their caster source. Any non-Profession powers get absorbed. Thanks Rikini that acutely clears up a lot for me. :smileyhappy: The more I have bin looking at this it seems to be a good change. Especially with aoe mobs, bin seeing the stoneskin message pop up quite a bit. How ever I still have not bin able to tell if it ever reflects any damage back.

06-20-2006, 02:56 PM	#6
Mulilla Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 116	Godzmodiar wrote: i have tested it in raids with aoes ( which most all do) and i do see it procing, alot. well alot more than it use too. you even get the stoneskin message on your screen. i like the change to it and will try to impliment it more in to my daily raiding. I suppose you mean AoE dots, because 30 secs is little time for 2 AoEs. If it could absorb a dot tic of those AoEs in a couple of folks in you group it might be worthy. Did you mean that? __________________ Mulilla - [Venganza] 80 ~~Troubador~~ ~~Buff Bot~~ Fast Runner from Crushbone

06-21-2006, 12:58 AM	#9
Dizank Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 27	I totally agree with the above poster. If it were a set % chance to always absorb/reflect I could see using this spell alot more then I would ever now. Its just not worth the conc spot. __________________ Aoide Basejumper 70 Troubador - Trinitas Mistmoore

06-19-2006, 11:28 PM	#1
kques Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3	Have some questions regarding Requiem of Reflection. Since the new changes I have bin trying to see how this buff works. I can tell you that I am not some one who parses my logs so the best I can hope to do is just see it proc and then look at my running combat log, so I am sure I miss a lot. My questions are this; Is there any one out there that has some hard numbers on this? I know by its nature Requiem is situational, i.e. it should proc more off caster mobs (I think). Which leads me to my second question; I am not at all exactly sure how this works. The way I am taking it from some observation and the tool tips is, if it procs it will absorb the next hostel spell, and then reflect it back at that same amount. However in the patch notes it mentions non-profession spell damage and I don’t have a clue as to what that is. For example; if a mob castes a spell for 300dmg causing Requiem to go off, then castes another spell for 300dmg within 30sec that spell will be absorbed and shot back for 300dmg. Once more the reference to non-profession spell damage is causing me to question this. Thank you in advance for any one that can provide some numbers on this, as well as a further clarification and or correction to my thinking. Otto 58 troub

06-20-2006, 02:16 PM	#4
Godzmodi Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 70	i have tested it in raids with aoes ( which most all do) and i do see it procing, alot. well alot more than it use too. you even get the stoneskin message on your screen. i like the change to it and will try to impliment it more in to my daily raiding.

06-20-2006, 04:56 PM	#7
Godzmodi Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 70	dunno bout that one. the bird x2 in roost for instance. its just a reg magic ae. no dot. i saw many times where the AE went off and like 3 of my group members proced RoR. there was not 2 AEs. only one. yet it stoneskinned. i even asked if it had the stoneskin msg and it did ( i had the stone skin msg as well)

06-20-2006, 09:17 PM	#8
Jooneau Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 264	This spell is still crap, because it still requires the person to take damage before the temporary 30 sec buff is up.They should change it to a % change to absorb damage or reflect while the actual buff is up, not when the temporary buff is up.That or get rid of the concentration slot requirement. Message Edited by Jooneau on 06-20-2006 01:18 PM

06-22-2006, 08:25 PM	#10
missing_peace Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 90	My final verdict: Still not useful. It does not activate nearly often enough and does not last long enough when it does activate. After comparing logs with a dirge... percussion of stone would proc much more often and would absorb a hit 100% percent of the time due to mob auto-attack. Reflection does not proc often because of the low number of spell attacks a mob will use complared to melee and the proc will expire more than 50% of the time without absorbing or reflecting anything. Try again.

06-29-2006, 01:27 AM	#11
Dizank Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 27	I wonder if this will ever get changed to become somewhat useful. I even went out and got the spell made but the low % chance to proc the buff and then have the mob actually cast again for it to be useful is so slim that I cant see giving up a conc spot for it as it stands. __________________ Aoide Basejumper 70 Troubador - Trinitas Mistmoore

07-05-2006, 08:14 PM	#12
Tri General Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 156	Let's not start another stoneskin / RoR debate as it's quite obvious where it ll end But there is a use for our requiem, in addition to having nice spell graphics this buff is nice for traveling. Canceling that snare is a life saver, even more a root. I'm sure most peeps experienced a rooted till death situation. But i doubt this is what the spell was created for. I would like though the critics of high end raiders on this spell. As i believe too that a fixed % of reflection would be better in raid/ group situations, yet i have not checked the logs enough to know how we should react towards this spell. Have you seen it proc in raids? do you feel the diference? My in raid / xp group experiences of this spell were lame and i ve been trying it out lately and this spell helps a lot less than decent gear. This special spell seems too useless and something most be done to make them aware of it. The solutions are simple to, fixed % to reflect , 30 more seconds for the effect , or even a PotM type song like our AA. Teldea 70 troubadour Permafrost

07-07-2006, 03:17 AM	#13
Myk General Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 65	I have been using requiem quite a bit in group play and solo/duo situations. It seems to proc pretty frequently. I was in an HoF group last night with a swashy tanking and only one healer, and the swashy remarked that stoneskin absorbed a 6K hit at one point. He probably would have died and our 5-man group would have wiped for the only time that night. Without crunching any numbers to quantify the effectiveness of RoR, anecdotally I would say it's worthwhile to use in many situations.