What are some good weapons for the Wisdom AA line?

[slyfer]

What are some good weapons for the wisdom AA line.  More specificlly Unencumbrance.

[Snarks]

Do you raid? If so, what encounters can your raid guild defeat?

[slyfer]

Yes we raid.  No contested or no Turtle Dragon.  I would like to know of some non raid encouter items also.

[mui]

I have been wondering this myself. Currently using a Pristine cobalt longsword.

Message Edited by muiir on 08-21-2006 10:53 AM

[Snarks]

I don't really know about non-raid, i cant imagine anything would stand out more than a good set of duel wields from nizara.since you raid instances, try your best to get something off venekor. he drops arguably some of the best 1h the game offers.

[Mjollnyr]

Raiding wise. There are a few nice 1h's from Vyemms lab. Corsolander - Frostwrath Vyemm - Silver sword of rage (?) Uncaged Alzid - Annealed blade (?) Halls of Seeing- Shadowy presense - Shadow axe. Few others, those are the ones that come to mind.

[The-Fourm-Pirate]

Non raid or broker buyable:
Doomrage Blade: Drops in HoF, 64 or so DR, best absolute non raiding 1h for rogues that i've seen.
Spear of the Fire Breath: Very slight upgrade on doomrage blade, drops in AoAx2 and can occasionally be found on broker for 4-8p.
Ancient Vellium: 71DR and a decent proc, common on broker, trash deathtoll drop, goes for 4-12p

Raid:

Easy:
Shadowaxe: One of the best 1hers in the game, there are like 3 above it. It's an uncommon drop on a shadowy presance in HoS.
Frostwrath: Decent axe, rareish drop from Corsolander.
Silver Sword of Rage: Half decent uncommon drop on Lord Vyemm.
Annealed Defender: Rareish drop from Uncaged Alzid.
Villucidae's Sword of Sheilding: Fairly common drop from Villucidae
The above 4 are really kinda pathetic and not much of an upgrade over ancient vellium, shadowaxe is nice though.

Moderate:
Ancient Sarnak War Cutlass: 2nd best in the game, drops on Venekor, can't say if it's rare or not cause i've only killed him once and we got a staff with mage stats and a melee proc.
Axe of the Bloodbeast: It's OK, arguably better than shadowaxe. Common drop from what I have seen. Take a wild guess on who drops it.

Hard:
Chel'Drak's shard: 87DR, best [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] 1h EVER. never killed Chel'Drak so I can't say how rare it is.
That other 1h that chel'drak drops that is like 10 less DR and pathetic in comparison. Worthless drop really compared to how [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] uber chel'drak's shard is that drops on the same encounter.

[Mjollnyr]

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The-Fourm-Pirate wrote:

Easy:Shadowaxe: One of the best 1hers in the game, there are like 3 above it. It's an uncommon drop on a shadowy presance in HoS.

Moderate:Axe of the Bloodbeast: It's OK, arguably better than shadowaxe. Common drop from what I have seen. Take a wild guess on who drops it.

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Just curious about that. I'm not really argueing, just wondering what i am missing when i see the axe of the bloodbeast. DR on the shadow axe is 81, Axe of the Bloodbeast is 77.   some crummy FT on both.  proc on the Shadow axe, i dont remember about the bloodbeast.  Delay on both was 2.5. What am i missing?

[acteon]

I believe he was referring to the difficulty of attaining these weapons

Creon Teh'Uber

Mob Squad

Message Edited by acteon on 08-21-2006 10:18 PM

[drajev]

I'm a warlock, but our guild brigand uses mostly the shadow axe and for some encounters switches to the claymore reward - the qeynos kilij. He has that AA line which gives double attack with offhand empty so only uses 1 weapon, parses 1.2-1.4k dps most of the time on regular raid encounters.

As for the difficulty of obtaining those 2 weapons - shadowy presence is much much easier than bloodbeast and he says that Shadow Axe is awesome - better DR and good proc, + Bloodbeast can be a handful if you don't have the experience of this encounter and the right raid setup, and that axe of the bloodbeast is not as good weapon, only dropped once for us, the bloodbeast dude most commonly drops bloodsoaked gauntelets/mitts/gloves, well every class gloves really so if you have the axe drop then you're unlucky as gloves are real good to a weapon that went almost undesired by melee dps the only time we had it drop.

Other geat weapons drop from the contested Princes in Barren Sky - like planar axe of destruction and some other dirk or something, but they're immensely camped on every server and demand a great raid force to defeat them. Still quite easier than Chel'Drak, which has only been defeated twice on our server so far... Repair bills evaluated now in hundreds of pp from that zone.

[Dragonsviperz]

There is also the Qeynos Kilij. While its an annoying and long quest line, it still offers a nice 1H with a proc that can be triggered by ranged attacks. The proc hits upwards of 900 dmg which is a real dmg proc. I do not recall the stats on the Kilij, but its a decent weapon.

[Fijjy]

I'm only mentioning this weapon because, even though it's contested, it can sometimes be found up while heading to Harla Dar.  Pantrilla drops an incredible 1 hander, IMO better than the one Venekor drops.  It hits so fast it will make your eyes loop back in your head if you're watching your combat spam.

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Fijjy wrote:I'm only mentioning this weapon because, even though it's contested, it can sometimes be found up while heading to Harla Dar.  Pantrilla drops an incredible 1 hander, IMO better than the one Venekor drops.  It hits so fast it will make your eyes loop back in your head if you're watching your combat spam.

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Fiijy you might wanna check out the  AA  analysis, especially crits (http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=34&message.id=12435) Most important though the Pantrilla 1h (RHotHP) is TOO fast, so when you using CAs you're loosing autoattack dmg you wouldn't loose with i.e. a 2.0 delay 1h ( = Venekor 1h). It is a good weapon to have equipped with Inspiration though.

[Fijjy]

I get the crits part, and I agree that the RHotP would not reap as much benefit through crits, since the mix and max dmg it does are very close together, but I still don't understand the whole fast delay = bad thing.  When I'm going through my CAs it will still hit between them (once or twice depending on if I double attack that round).  Now is that because it's fast, or would any weapon hit in those spaces, therefore giving slower-delay/harder-hitting weapons the advantage?  Notice that I said going through CAs.  I usually don't crazy spam them unless I'm going to double up next.  For context, I raid more often than group.

[Rokjin]

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Fijjy wrote:
would any weapon hit in those spaces, therefore giving slower-delay/harder-hitting weapons the advantage? 

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You nailed it right there. Most Rogue CAs are 0.5 second cast and 0.5 recovery, so a weapon hitting with 1 delay will 'perfectly' hit inbetween every CA. Since in a lot of raid situations it's easy to get 100% Haste, a 2 delay weapon, 100% Hasted will swing every 1 second.

RHotP will also swing, but each swing of it does less damage since it has a shorter delay.

This is also the same reason DW weapons have higher DR then 1H or 2H, since they are twice as likely to lose swings to CAs. I tested this, and with pure auto-attack, DW did 150% the damage of a 1H, while with moderate CA usage, DW did only about 140%. With spamming CAs, it would do about 133% the damage. This converts to 1H doing 66% the damage of DW with pure auto-attack, which rises up to 70% and 75% with moderate to spamming CA usage.

Message Edited by Rokjin on 08-22-2006 12:38 PM

[Fijjy]

Ok cool I think I got it now.  Just for clarification though ...... when you are autoattacking and your CA casting time (of .5 seconds) falls right on top of your autoattack hit, does it recalculate your next autoattack swing to start after that CA is done or does your autoattack delay-timer never stop?  Lemme draw a graph cause I'm confusing myself now LOL.0---------1---------2---------3---------4---------5---------6---------7---------8---------90---------1-------*****-------3--*****--4---------*****-----6-----*****---------8---------9Ok that's just about the crudest time graph I could make, heh, but lets consider that each dash is .1 seconds, so the whole graph is exactly 9 seconds.  On the top graph I am meleeing at exactly 1 second delay.  Bottom graph is me casting .5 second CAs (represented by the asterisks).  So in that example, it would seem that I hit the mob with 6 autoattack shots and 4 CAs because the first one I casted right over my 2nd melee swing.  Later I cast one in between 2 attacks, later I casted right when I was gonna hit and later I casted and the CA went off right when I was gonna hit.  Is this an accurate depiction of how it works or (in the case of the first CA) would my weapon start counting the full second after that CA was done, pushing #3 up by .3 seconds?  Or would it go off immediately because it was queued up or something?Sorry for all the questions.  I realize this all probably belongs in another thread, and for that I apologize.  This whole scenario is what burns a hole in my mind and makes me question my dps parse on raids and such (seems to be lower than it should but it may be bad group make-up too).  Thanks!

Message Edited by Fijjy on 08-22-2006 12:59 PM

[Jida]

0---------1---------2---------3---------4---------5---------6---------7---------8---------90---------1-------*****2--------*****3---------4----*****5---------6*****----7---------8---More accurate representation! =)

Message Edited by Jida on 08-22-2006 10:54 PM

[The-Fourm-Pirate]

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Mjollnyr wrote:

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The-Fourm-Pirate wrote:

Easy:
Shadowaxe: One of the best 1hers in the game, there are like 3 above it. It's an uncommon drop on a shadowy presance in HoS.

Moderate:
Axe of the Bloodbeast: It's OK, arguably better than shadowaxe. Common drop from what I have seen. Take a wild guess on who drops it.

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Just curious about that.

I'm not really argueing, just wondering what i am missing when i see the axe of the bloodbeast.

DR on the shadow axe is 81, Axe of the Bloodbeast is 77.   some crummy FT on both.  proc on the Shadow axe, i dont remember about the bloodbeast.  Delay on both was 2.5.

What am i missing?

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IMO axe of the bloodbeast has a slightly better crit spread than shadowaxe. It's still arguable though, I use the shadowaxe personally cause it looks cooler.

[Rokjin]

It would be 'queued up' until it can swing. The swing timer does not reset until you take the actual swing, but it 'waits' until it can swing.

[Fijjy]

Thank you Jida and Rokjin!!  That is exactly what I was wondering./bow-edit cause it's late and I can't spellFijster - 70 BrigThe AwakeningOasis

Message Edited by Fijjy on 08-22-2006 10:54 PM

[Barok]

i have the shadowaxe from the presence  and i  went back to str/agi with dirk of the nightfall / qeynos cutlass. i couldnt even get close on parses  with the str/wis set up vs. str/agi. any info on what i was doing wrong ? im in a raiding guild and with our tanks im glad to say after about 5 sec in the fight (most mob) everyone can cut loose.so i do run through my CA's fast  and often in fights.

 

i really liked the look of the str/wis setup. just never really could get it to fit well with me. like i said any suggestion are greatly appreciated. im at 50 AA also if anyone wonders that.

[Rokjin]

Were you getting Haste and DPS buffs? Everybody's fighting style will vary, but on paper STR/WIS is best with top end buffs and equipment where you are auto-attacking for an extended time.

 

I parsed my first foray into Lyceum yesterday, I'm STR 4-4-4-5, WIS 4-4-8-8-8.

 

Auto-attack damage was pretty much exactly half of my damage. I was 100% Hasted most of the time (Thanks to Berserk and Swashbuckler Furious Bravado) and DPS ranging from 20-100% depending on timers.. This was with CA use whenever they came up.

 

I parsed from roughly 800 on the low end to about 1200 top end. About 1000 on average.

 

Gear is pretty much legendaries from KoS with Dazzling Blade (79.8 DR PvP 1Her) and one or two PvP Fableds. Have like 5-6 Masters.

 

I'd say run ACT, and see where your damage is coming from. It's hard to do analysis on what's better for an individual without looking at their parses in detail.

[slyfer]

Could you rank these from best to worst.

Ancient Vellium

Shadowaxe

Frostwrath

Silver Sword of Rage

Annealed Defender

Villucidae's Sword of Sheilding

Ancient Sarnak War Cutlass

Axe of the Bloodbeast

Message Edited by slyfer on 08-28-2006 03:36 PM

[The-Fourm-Pirate]

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slyfer wrote:

Could you rank these from best to worst.

Ancient Vellium 5

Shadowaxe 2

Frostwrath 4

Silver Sword of Rage 6

Annealed Defender 8

Villucidae's Sword of Sheilding 7

Ancient Sarnak War Cutlass 1

Axe of the Bloodbeast 3

Silver sword of rage and villucidaes have defensive procs and hardly any DR bonus over ancient vellium, are rarer drops, and cost 5x as much to repair. Annealed defender has a STR buff proc which is even worse because every brigand that knows what they're doing has maxed STR in a raid group, if not solo. Ancient Sarnak has the highest DR and best crit range, Shadowaxe is fairly close behind, axe of the bloodbeast is close to shadowaxe, and past that they just drop off into crap weapons.

[ibeo]

shadow axe 1

war cut 2

[Sete Soujiro]

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The-Fourm-Pirate wrote:

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slyfer wrote:

Could you rank these from best to worst.

Ancient Vellium 5

Shadowaxe 2

Frostwrath 4

Silver Sword of Rage 6

Annealed Defender 8

Villucidae's Sword of Sheilding 7

Ancient Sarnak War Cutlass 1

Axe of the Bloodbeast 3

Silver sword of rage and villucidaes have defensive procs and hardly any DR bonus over ancient vellium, are rarer drops, and cost 5x as much to repair. Annealed defender has a STR buff proc which is even worse because every brigand that knows what they're doing has maxed STR in a raid group, if not solo. Ancient Sarnak has the highest DR and best crit range, Shadowaxe is fairly close behind, axe of the bloodbeast is close to shadowaxe, and past that they just drop off into crap weapons.

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When looking at weapons procs shouldn't come into play unless its a 10% proc or higher.  Weapon delay comes into play also, being able to perform a ca between swings makes weapons with less than 2 sec delay lose out.  Range of the weapon comes into play also since crits, but thats gonna depend on your group setup and your aa set up. I'm set up agi/wis, for those with str/wis it might change. For me personally i would go

Ancient Sarnak War Cutless - high dr, 2 sec delay ( what i consider the perfect delay ) great range, almost impossible to get tho with venekors huge loot table

Shadow Axe - high dr, 2.5 delay, good range

Axe of the Bloodbeast - med dr, 2.5 delay, great range

Vilucidae's Sword of Shielding - med dr, 3 delay, great range

Frostwrath - med dr, 1.6 delay , bad range

Silver Sword of Rage - med dr, 1.6 dealy , bad range

Primal Velium - low dr, horrible 1.3 delay, bad range

Annealed Defender - never seen it drop cant find it in the data base

 

[Gyilok]

annealed defender is crap, and fighter only anyway

[Jida]

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Sete Soujiro wrote:

Annealed Defender - never seen it drop cant find it in the data base

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http://www.eq2llinks.com/search_lite.php?search=%2BAnnealed+%2BDefender&Submit=Submitfrom http://www.eq2llinks.com/Shameless plug i know =)

[ibeo]

notice there is no mention of the ancient vorpal blade...about the same as war cut just a sword

[Sete Soujiro]

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ibeo wrote:
notice there is no mention of the ancient vorpal blade...about the same as war cut just a sword

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I didn't mention cause someone asked to place those 8 specific weapons :smileyhappy: