Swashbuckler/Brigand solo ability

SquirrelM · 07-08-2006, 10:31 AM

I've been wanting to roll a Rogue, but I have one question over which one to pick. Which rogue can solo better? I mean, which one has the better capacity to do quests/get exp while I"m LFG?I was thinking maybe brigand because of all the stuns, but I don't really know. Also, for either class, what would be the best profession to make money/outfit myself?Thanks for all the help!

Yojimbo99 · 07-08-2006, 11:34 AM

Well as someone who just came over to the dark side i can tell its very situational. i just took my 57 swash and did the betrayal and tbh there isnt alot of difference in the long run that i see yet( now 59).

I would have to say its very dependant on the mob/mobs an what u mean by gettin quests done.

Hands down so far i have to give the brig class the edge on single target ^ mobs( and quite poss low ^^ green nameds and such). But, the flip side of that coin is the huge loss of solo ae damage and the minor crowd control with the swash mezz. So where as a swash i could chew through dwn arrow solo mulit mob encounters and often take antoher multi solo add on top of it, it just aitn happening with the brig thing ( although im still learning a bit ) i seem to die alot more when i take an add as a brig /shrug

It really comes down to picking your fights with your head and not just charge in. I will say since social aggro change that i miss my mezz,hurricane and that nifty ae stun/kockback alot( seriously alot =/) however im quite happy as a brig now and just have to pick the fights that work on current strong suits.

So its really more of a flavor thing as i see it... Do you like fighting single target mobs or just bum rush a pack of xp fodder?

Also as brigs are by far more backstab positional than swashies (alot more not just a lil) AS in the swash is by far more comfortable fightin toe toe with no stuns at the rdy while as a brig with out stuns to get around behind a mob i feel hamstrung.

Again close; best bet is read up on the spell lines, see what city u rather live in and which clas hat u like better and go from there .. they are both kick [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] classes and alot of fun either way

Wardyn · 07-08-2006, 12:11 PM

As a 44 Brigand, I can solo blues, whites, and some yellows. I can also regularly kill most old green ^^^ named. Then again, I'm not as proficient at killing named as many classes, but it can be done.

FYI, I'm in full ebon chain, with full mastercrafted equipment and full adept 3's. I'll avoid fabled/masters for at least 10 more levels. as I level fast, they aren't worth the cost IMHO.

I will agree that while soloing, the bigger the group, the more trouble I tend to have. 1-on-1 brigs are deadly, though.

Message Edited by Wardyn on 07-08-2006 01:14 AM

SquirrelM · 07-08-2006, 12:17 PM

Wardyn wrote:
FYI, I'm in full ebon chain, with full mastercrafted equipment and full adept 3's.

How can you afford all that? Is it really cheap, do you have a main or are you really good at making money?

Wardyn · 07-08-2006, 12:30 PM

Well I have 9 50+ crafters. So I just need the ebon cluster. Still, any decent guild should have an armorer that will make a guild friend something for nothing, or next to nothing. Crafting is now insanely easy. As for the cluster, ebon (and ore/loams) in general are not easy to come by, but they aren't impossible to find either. Of course, I have the advantage of having a 70 Defiler that can roam every teir but 7, and not get agro from roaming mobs. He is my harvester, and with luck, you should be able to average an ebon cluster every 90 mins or so. Of course, it will seem much longer.

Message Edited by Wardyn on 07-08-2006 01:34 AM

Oldlore · 07-09-2006, 06:37 AM

My perspective as a 33 brigand is that we solo single mobs fairly well. In above average gear I can drop solos up to yellow fairly quickly. I have trouble with green ^^^ unless theyre very green to me. Compared with my higher lvl characters I'd say I solo single mobs faster than my zerker. My warden (67) solos as fast and alot safer though, imo. My coercer (3 SMILEY

will solo slower but higher lvl stuff, it just takes forever with their CC and low dps. As far as what the previous guy said about group encouters, my brigand has ONE aoe that hits weak and so it's a real pita to do groups as you just kill one at a time and it becomes a race between how fast you can put out dmg vs. how fast they drop your health. I know swashbucklers get more aoe abilities although I've never played one. They both seem like fun classes to me so I'd just choose whatever appeals to you more or base it on what city you prefer.

Wardyn · 07-09-2006, 01:07 PM

Something of note, I went to the solo arena yesterday, easy difficulty, and absolutely slapped around the arena champion. With all my characters, I've never defeated him so quickly and easily.( it took my Necro 2 tries, SK 3 tries, and I had to actually use the L&L exploit to beat him with my Defiler on try 4) It was embarassing for him. That said, it has been 6 months since I fought him last. So if they nerfed the difficulty, my arrogance is obviously unwarranted.

Grim0 · 07-09-2006, 09:58 PM

Brigands can solo white-con triple-ups at level 50+.

Makaeleb · 07-10-2006, 05:29 PM

"Brigands can solo white-con triple-ups at level 50+."

Having a 56 brig with all adept3/master spells I am going to have to call bs on that statement!

Pins · 07-10-2006, 05:46 PM

Makaeleb wrote:
"Brigands can solo white-con triple-ups at level 50+."

Having a 56 brig with all adept3/master spells I am going to have to call bs on that statement!

2 Stackable seperate timer snares, combined with a ranged stun. Takes forever, but very possible.

Wardyn · 07-10-2006, 11:27 PM

Pinski wrote:

Makaeleb wrote:

"Brigands can solo white-con triple-ups at level 50+."

Having a 56 brig with all adept3/master spells I am going to have to call bs on that statement!

2 Stackable seperate timer snares, combined with a ranged stun. Takes forever, but very possible.

Yea, kinda of like my old Toub friend who would claim to be able to solo almost any melee critter with enough space. I asked kim to kill an orange ^^^ ice thing (forgot the name) in EF, and he said he would do it. Well, after about 15 mins he was at half health, slowlt regenerating, and the critter was still in the yellow. I mercifully called it off and told him I believed him. i didn't want to be there all day.

Shiverr · 07-10-2006, 11:50 PM

Actually neither can solo at all. Not one bit. Go Monk or Bruiser ftw!

kyth · 07-12-2006, 07:14 AM

I can solo mob con named with ease. White and yellow 3^'s are pretty easy also. Granted grear gives anyone the ability to do above and beyond what others can.

Message Edited by kythik on 07-11-2006 08:16 PM

07-08-2006, 12:17 PM	#4
SquirrelM Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 10	Wardyn wrote: FYI, I'm in full ebon chain, with full mastercrafted equipment and full adept 3's. How can you afford all that? Is it really cheap, do you have a main or are you really good at making money?

07-09-2006, 06:37 AM	#6
Oldlore Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 237	My perspective as a 33 brigand is that we solo single mobs fairly well. In above average gear I can drop solos up to yellow fairly quickly. I have trouble with green ^^^ unless theyre very green to me. Compared with my higher lvl characters I'd say I solo single mobs faster than my zerker. My warden (67) solos as fast and alot safer though, imo. My coercer (3 will solo slower but higher lvl stuff, it just takes forever with their CC and low dps. As far as what the previous guy said about group encouters, my brigand has ONE aoe that hits weak and so it's a real pita to do groups as you just kill one at a time and it becomes a race between how fast you can put out dmg vs. how fast they drop your health. I know swashbucklers get more aoe abilities although I've never played one. They both seem like fun classes to me so I'd just choose whatever appeals to you more or base it on what city you prefer.

07-10-2006, 05:46 PM	#10
Pins General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,040	Makaeleb wrote: "Brigands can solo white-con triple-ups at level 50+." Having a 56 brig with all adept3/master spells I am going to have to call bs on that statement! 2 Stackable seperate timer snares, combined with a ranged stun. Takes forever, but very possible. __________________ Calaglin, Former Illusionist/Guild Leader of Dissolution on Nektulos Calaglin, Former Illusionist/Guild Leader of Confirmed on Unrest

07-10-2006, 11:27 PM	#11
Wardyn Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 99	Pinski wrote: Makaeleb wrote: "Brigands can solo white-con triple-ups at level 50+." Having a 56 brig with all adept3/master spells I am going to have to call bs on that statement! 2 Stackable seperate timer snares, combined with a ranged stun. Takes forever, but very possible. Yea, kinda of like my old Toub friend who would claim to be able to solo almost any melee critter with enough space. I asked kim to kill an orange ^^^ ice thing (forgot the name) in EF, and he said he would do it. Well, after about 15 mins he was at half health, slowlt regenerating, and the critter was still in the yellow. I mercifully called it off and told him I believed him. i didn't want to be there all day.

07-10-2006, 11:50 PM	#12
Shiverr Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 282	Actually neither can solo at all. Not one bit. Go Monk or Bruiser ftw! __________________ Tanx and Scouts

07-08-2006, 10:31 AM	#1
SquirrelM Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 10	I've been wanting to roll a Rogue, but I have one question over which one to pick. Which rogue can solo better? I mean, which one has the better capacity to do quests/get exp while I"m LFG?I was thinking maybe brigand because of all the stuns, but I don't really know. Also, for either class, what would be the best profession to make money/outfit myself?Thanks for all the help!

07-08-2006, 11:34 AM	#2
Yojimbo99 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 86	Well as someone who just came over to the dark side i can tell its very situational. i just took my 57 swash and did the betrayal and tbh there isnt alot of difference in the long run that i see yet( now 59). I would have to say its very dependant on the mob/mobs an what u mean by gettin quests done. Hands down so far i have to give the brig class the edge on single target ^ mobs( and quite poss low ^^ green nameds and such). But, the flip side of that coin is the huge loss of solo ae damage and the minor crowd control with the swash mezz. So where as a swash i could chew through dwn arrow solo mulit mob encounters and often take antoher multi solo add on top of it, it just aitn happening with the brig thing ( although im still learning a bit ) i seem to die alot more when i take an add as a brig /shrug It really comes down to picking your fights with your head and not just charge in. I will say since social aggro change that i miss my mezz,hurricane and that nifty ae stun/kockback alot( seriously alot =/) however im quite happy as a brig now and just have to pick the fights that work on current strong suits. So its really more of a flavor thing as i see it... Do you like fighting single target mobs or just bum rush a pack of xp fodder? Also as brigs are by far more backstab positional than swashies (alot more not just a lil) AS in the swash is by far more comfortable fightin toe toe with no stuns at the rdy while as a brig with out stuns to get around behind a mob i feel hamstrung. Again close; best bet is read up on the spell lines, see what city u rather live in and which clas hat u like better and go from there .. they are both kick [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] classes and alot of fun either way

07-08-2006, 12:11 PM	#3
Wardyn Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 99	As a 44 Brigand, I can solo blues, whites, and some yellows. I can also regularly kill most old green ^^^ named. Then again, I'm not as proficient at killing named as many classes, but it can be done. FYI, I'm in full ebon chain, with full mastercrafted equipment and full adept 3's. I'll avoid fabled/masters for at least 10 more levels. as I level fast, they aren't worth the cost IMHO. I will agree that while soloing, the bigger the group, the more trouble I tend to have. 1-on-1 brigs are deadly, though. Message Edited by Wardyn on 07-08-2006 01:14 AM

07-08-2006, 12:30 PM	#5
Wardyn Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 99	Well I have 9 50+ crafters. So I just need the ebon cluster. Still, any decent guild should have an armorer that will make a guild friend something for nothing, or next to nothing. Crafting is now insanely easy. As for the cluster, ebon (and ore/loams) in general are not easy to come by, but they aren't impossible to find either. Of course, I have the advantage of having a 70 Defiler that can roam every teir but 7, and not get agro from roaming mobs. He is my harvester, and with luck, you should be able to average an ebon cluster every 90 mins or so. Of course, it will seem much longer. Message Edited by Wardyn on 07-08-2006 01:34 AM

07-09-2006, 01:07 PM	#7
Wardyn Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 99	Something of note, I went to the solo arena yesterday, easy difficulty, and absolutely slapped around the arena champion. With all my characters, I've never defeated him so quickly and easily.( it took my Necro 2 tries, SK 3 tries, and I had to actually use the L&L exploit to beat him with my Defiler on try 4) It was embarassing for him. That said, it has been 6 months since I fought him last. So if they nerfed the difficulty, my arrogance is obviously unwarranted.

07-09-2006, 09:58 PM	#8
Grim0 Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 58	Brigands can solo white-con triple-ups at level 50+.

07-10-2006, 05:29 PM	#9
Makaeleb Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 34	"Brigands can solo white-con triple-ups at level 50+." Having a 56 brig with all adept3/master spells I am going to have to call bs on that statement!

07-12-2006, 07:14 AM	#13
kyth General Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 493	I can solo mob con named with ease. White and yellow 3^'s are pretty easy also. Granted grear gives anyone the ability to do above and beyond what others can. Message Edited by kythik on 07-11-2006 08:16 PM __________________