no haste benefit for weapon delay below 1.0?

Belizarius · 11-02-2006, 11:23 AM

Fact or myth?

You get no further auto-attack benefit from haste, once your effective weapon delay drops below 1.0.

Dakkon_10 · 11-02-2006, 11:29 AM

Totally untrue.

A 12 Gauge 007 · 11-02-2006, 08:09 PM

.7 is min delay... you do not get the FULL benefit of haste with a 1.0 weapon. You must have a delay or either 1.4 or 1.6 i cant remember. But 1.0 does own inspiration!

Zygwen · 11-02-2006, 08:56 PM

Myth. The devs have stated that there is no lower bound to weapon delay. However, at a certain point you weapon becomes so fast that combat arts will interfer with your auto attack damage effectively turning delays below 1 to be approximately equal to 1 if you spam combat arts.

Vuz · 11-02-2006, 11:41 PM

A 12 Gauge 007 wrote:
.7 is min delay... you do not get the FULL benefit of haste with a 1.0 weapon. You must have a delay or either 1.4 or 1.6 i cant remember. But 1.0 does own inspiration!

This is true, /weaponstat with a weapon in game, it will show you your current attack speed and such. .7 is minimum, if you have a 1.0 delay weapon with 100% haste, your not at .5, your at .7...

Rokjin · 11-03-2006, 01:58 AM

Vuzin wrote:

This is true, /weaponstat with a weapon in game, it will show you your current attack speed and such. .7 is minimum, if you have a 1.0 delay weapon with 100% haste, your not at .5, your at .7...

If it IS true, then it needs to be /bugged. Developers have repeatedly stated that there is no lower bound on weapon delay.

Krontak · 11-03-2006, 02:07 AM

So, with the 200% haste thingy I guess with a 1.0s delay you'll be getting .375. But...I'm guessing they round things so it'll probably be more like .4 but, who can know for certain now.

m0ya · 11-03-2006, 04:32 AM

The new cap will be 125%... so.... I suck doing math.... a 1sec weap will hit every 0,4?

Cocytus · 11-03-2006, 04:49 AM

Minimum delay is .7 isn't it?

IIRC, this was intentional.

A 12 Gauge 007 · 11-03-2006, 07:03 PM

Right Hand of the High Priestess (1.0 delay) at 100% haste using /weaponstats is .7 delay.

Qeynos Kilij (1.6 delay) at 100% haste using /weaponstats is .8 delay

As of 11/2/06

Dahlrek · 11-03-2006, 10:47 PM

Post by Aeralik Of course, I expect /weaponstats is more accurate than the developers own knowledge of their systems, so there you go.

SmCaudata · 11-03-2006, 11:30 PM

A 12 Gauge 007 wrote:
Right Hand of the High Priestess (1.0 delay) at 100% haste using /weaponstats is .7 delay.

Qeynos Kilij (1.6 delay) at 100% haste using /weaponstats is .8 delay

As of 11/2/06

This should be bugged then. If I had the RHotHP I would bug it myself. The only reason I can see for the min delay design wise would be for 100% procs. Since Sailwind allows us to have 0.4 cast times and 0.4 recovery times there should be no game mechanics minimum preventing us from going below 0.7 delay (ie the timer precision is built into the game).

11-02-2006, 11:29 AM	#2
Dakkon_10 General Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 282	Totally untrue. __________________

11-02-2006, 08:56 PM	#4
Zygwen Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 277	Myth. The devs have stated that there is no lower bound to weapon delay. However, at a certain point you weapon becomes so fast that combat arts will interfer with your auto attack damage effectively turning delays below 1 to be approximately equal to 1 if you spam combat arts. __________________ Evalin, lvl 90 Swashbuckler Joannax, lvl 90 Troubador Sacrifice Oasis

11-02-2006, 11:41 PM	#5
Vuz General Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 79	A 12 Gauge 007 wrote: .7 is min delay... you do not get the FULL benefit of haste with a 1.0 weapon. You must have a delay or either 1.4 or 1.6 i cant remember. But 1.0 does own inspiration! This is true, /weaponstat with a weapon in game, it will show you your current attack speed and such. .7 is minimum, if you have a 1.0 delay weapon with 100% haste, your not at .5, your at .7... __________________

11-03-2006, 01:58 AM	#6
Rokjin Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 511	Vuzin wrote: This is true, /weaponstat with a weapon in game, it will show you your current attack speed and such. .7 is minimum, if you have a 1.0 delay weapon with 100% haste, your not at .5, your at .7... If it IS true, then it needs to be /bugged. Developers have repeatedly stated that there is no lower bound on weapon delay. __________________ Braznak, Swashy of Venekor, Darkshine Initiative Leanan Sidhe, Retired, Venekor Rokkah Shineteeths, Retired, Antonia Bayle

11-03-2006, 02:07 AM	#7
Krontak Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 438	So, with the 200% haste thingy I guess with a 1.0s delay you'll be getting .375. But...I'm guessing they round things so it'll probably be more like .4 but, who can know for certain now. __________________

11-02-2006, 11:23 AM	#1
Belizarius Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 407	Fact or myth? You get no further auto-attack benefit from haste, once your effective weapon delay drops below 1.0.

11-02-2006, 08:09 PM	#3
A 12 Gauge 007 Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 34	.7 is min delay... you do not get the FULL benefit of haste with a 1.0 weapon. You must have a delay or either 1.4 or 1.6 i cant remember. But 1.0 does own inspiration!

11-03-2006, 04:32 AM	#8
m0ya Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 192	The new cap will be 125%... so.... I suck doing math.... a 1sec weap will hit every 0,4?

11-03-2006, 04:49 AM	#9
Cocytus Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,908	Minimum delay is .7 isn't it? IIRC, this was intentional.

11-03-2006, 07:03 PM	#10
A 12 Gauge 007 Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 34	Right Hand of the High Priestess (1.0 delay) at 100% haste using /weaponstats is .7 delay. Qeynos Kilij (1.6 delay) at 100% haste using /weaponstats is .8 delay As of 11/2/06

11-03-2006, 10:47 PM	#11
Dahlrek Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 92	Post by Aeralik Of course, I expect /weaponstats is more accurate than the developers own knowledge of their systems, so there you go.

11-03-2006, 11:30 PM	#12
SmCaudata Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 356	A 12 Gauge 007 wrote: Right Hand of the High Priestess (1.0 delay) at 100% haste using /weaponstats is .7 delay. Qeynos Kilij (1.6 delay) at 100% haste using /weaponstats is .8 delay As of 11/2/06 This should be bugged then. If I had the RHotHP I would bug it myself. The only reason I can see for the min delay design wise would be for 100% procs. Since Sailwind allows us to have 0.4 cast times and 0.4 recovery times there should be no game mechanics minimum preventing us from going below 0.7 delay (ie the timer precision is built into the game). __________________ ______________________________ ______________________________ Kellindril - 80 swash - Azure Skies - Antonia Bayle