Raiding Swash

Xerxess · 09-18-2006, 09:18 PM

I went to AoA for the first time last night and I thought I was doing good but when they showed parse I was below a monk, assiasan and a couple of rangers...is that bad? If it is I just can't seem to figure out what im doing wrong...

Keldo · 09-18-2006, 09:49 PM

What was your group makeup? That is a large part of your potential DPS. AoA is an AE dream - so Hurricane and your 2 AE should allow you to win parses (especially over a monk) unless you simply had no buffs. Make sure you are using GM Caustic at all times, as well.

At 100 haste / 100 dps, 510 str, GM caustic and WIS line with a good fabled 1h, you are in position to beat most classes in any AE situation. The only classes that have a shot to beat you are Conj, Nec, Wiz for the most part. On single target, your biggest foe is likely the assassin, who will beat you most of the time. You have to work a lot harder to win single target parses.

AegisCrown · 09-18-2006, 09:58 PM

definately review group build up and was it your first time raiding? if so youll get used to figuring out ways to boost your dps.

Xerxess · 09-18-2006, 10:36 PM

I see...our group make up was a Guardian, Assasian, Mystic, Templar, Warden, and Me the Swasy..Also im using Grizzfaz dagger and Essenia blade from SoS quest...

Keldo · 09-19-2006, 12:22 AM

Well there is your prob - that group nets you exactly 0 worthwhile offensive buffs.

Cocytus · 09-19-2006, 02:33 AM

I'm generally in the top 2-3 even without worthwile dps boosts with my raid alliance. Were you using Inspiration, Ruthless Cunning, Perfect Finesse, or En Garde?

mikemastermikeymike · 09-19-2006, 02:33 AM

I never lose to wizzys on the parse its all ways the assasin then me unless im in a good group are assasin parses 2k on the norm in all the x4 zones... besides nameds some times i pull out on top of named encounters.

Cocytus · 09-19-2006, 02:39 AM

Generally it's either me or my ranger friend on top, though it does sound like the case might be that he's not using inspiration, or maybe has hurricane off.

mikemastermikeymike · 09-19-2006, 02:41 AM

Do you guys not have a good assasin?

Iseabeil · 09-19-2006, 03:39 AM

Get good poison and a good group and ye'll spank most of the raid in DPS, ye lose sooo much damage on a group like the one ye were in. Ive been in groups similar to that one due to turnout for raid and dropped easily 500 dps on it zonewide, stuff like +dps and +haste is bread and butter for us (althou its a bit annoying when ye get persona window up at times to see what to cast before inspiration and see yer 100/100 thus making finesse and ruthless useless :p )

Xerxess · 09-20-2006, 02:01 AM

Hmmm Yeah I didn't have hurricane on and I used inspiration very little because im not really use to raiding...I usaully fight in groups a lot so I guess I was afraid of stealing aggro hehe

Mortal · 09-20-2006, 07:36 AM

Don't be afraid of stealing aggro, 99.9% of fights you will be in, pulling aggro means you'll die(when you get geared you'll live) and the fight will continue. When I pull aggro on raids nowadays, most of the time I just tank it 'til the MT can get it back lol. 4500 mit ftw =pAs for my experience in raids, I don't try to top the parse anymore. I consistanly end up in the top 5 of our parses behind out Wiz, Assassin, Nec and other swashy. Partly might be that I went Str/Wis so i could use Traumatic Swipe still. I prolly could get back to being on the top with the other swashy we have, but my computer is the crap and I lag to much LOL.BTW, the 0.1% of the fights that you don't want to pull aggro include: Any mob that has mem-wipe and or HUGE frontal. Lord Vyemm and Tarinax have really bad frontal's and pulling aggro when its NOT a mem-wipe is a nono. Vilucidae has a stance where he ripostes like 85% and another where he frontals auto attack and double attacks like 80%.

Cocytus · 09-20-2006, 09:42 AM

Yeah, that's the problem then. Hurricane and inspiration are *the* bread and butter.

BenDJ · 09-21-2006, 03:49 AM

I usually on the top 5 on the parse list on my raid without relying on others' haste/dps buffs (around 1k~1.2k dps). And that's without using my 30s haste/dps buffs or caustic poison (usually using mental breach to maintain power to dps). Most of my DPS comes from my crits (i hit around 900-1400 dmg autoattack crit). Im usually in a group that buffs my crit% and a little bit of haste. Having a good 1hander with a high damage range helps w/ crits and combine that w/ 100% haste makes it even better. And when you add in Inspiration and haste/dps buffs and you can go up to 1.7k dps or more on some mobs.

Atmosphear1993 · 09-21-2006, 04:16 AM

Depends on many different things:

-Group Make Up

- Type of Encounter (multi-targets usually mean more dps for me)

- Whether the encounter has knockback or AoE's that will require you to back out.

-Various other things.

Our dps is all well and good. But there is always typically another class that will be able to dps better than us. If you don't have the right group make up, your dps will be horribly low sometimes.

SageGaspar · 09-21-2006, 01:48 PM

If the monk and rangers in the other group were getting some decent buffs, they could be competitive. In AoA though you should be able to kill them with hurricane no matter what your support is like. It'll take you a while to feel out aggro, but if you're going to pull aggro anywhere, AoA is the place to do it, stuff in there is not terribly hard. Inspiration is a tough one to feel out and when you can drop it really depends on who's tanking for you. I've been in raids with sketchy aggro and it's always exciting trying to push it to the limit without stealing aggro, hehe. Lots of eluding with a lie low here and there.You were in a group with a guardian and a couple priests though, which I assume was a tank group -- put your aggro transfer on the tank, hell, put on the aggro reducing poison if you want to, and there's no way in hell you're going to be pulling aggro off a competent tank. If you pull aggro with that setup, one of ya is doing something terribly wrong, hehe.

A 12 Gauge 007 · 09-22-2006, 10:29 PM

You should also be looking into your gear and AA line. Wisdom is where is at. Get a 1her and go wis. Get Acrylia rings they proc both haste and DPS mods. Ruthless Cunning is the most under used swashy buff in the game... Ive meet swashys that didnt even know it exsists. DT access is nice to make sure your procs push you to max haste but not needed. adpIIIs and masters get em trust me. Classes you wanna group with Monks Zerkers Wizards Mages Templars Troubs.

Perfect group for me

Coercer DPS buff

Templar DPS buff

Monk Haste buff

Me

Wizard/Mage Phoenixblade or Emberseed

Any other DPS class usually Assassin in my guild.

With this setup I average 1300dps as does the Assassin. When we go all out its 2k+ each.

Hope this helps

Atmosphear1993 · 09-23-2006, 01:19 AM

A 12 Gauge 007 wrote:

Ruthless Cunning is the most under used swashy buff in the game...

I agree to that! It is from Bloodlines, picked it up when Bloodlines came out. If you weren't around during that time you might miss it if you don't check your CAs on a website.

Too bad I can't find anyone with the recipe to make the Adept III, nevermind finding a Master of it.

Gerdos · 09-23-2006, 08:59 AM

A 12 Gauge 007 wrote:

You should also be looking into your gear and AA line. Wisdom is where is at. Get a 1her and go wis. Get Acrylia rings they proc both haste and DPS mods. Ruthless Cunning is the most under used swashy buff in the game... Ive meet swashys that didnt even know it exsists. DT access is nice to make sure your procs push you to max haste but not needed. adpIIIs and masters get em trust me. Classes you wanna group with Monks Zerkers Wizards Mages Templars Troubs.

Perfect group for me

Coercer DPS buff

Templar DPS buff

Monk Haste buff

Me

Wizard/Mage Phoenixblade or Emberseed

Any other DPS class usually Assassin in my guild.

With this setup I average 1300dps as does the Assassin. When we go all out its 2k+ each.

Hope this helps

Why templars?? You mean inquisitors??

A 12 Gauge 007 · 09-23-2006, 09:53 AM

Yes Inq... I stand corrected.

mikemastermikeymike · 09-23-2006, 06:30 PM

Why a monk when you could have a dirge and why not a fury my perfect group would problly be......

Dirge

Fury

Corcer

Inq

conji

me

lol this like never ever ever happens but it would own for me :smileyvery-happy:

Luk · 09-25-2006, 07:10 AM

mikemastermikeymike wrote:

Why a monk when you could have a dirge and why not a fury my perfect group would problly be......

Dirge

Fury

Corcer

Inq

conji

me

lol this like never ever ever happens but it would own for me :smileyvery-happy:

That would way over stack you on both haste and DPS, you would be much better off dropping the coercer and fury, replace with a zerka (haste/dps and STR buff) and wizard (STR/INT buff and Phoenix Blade), you would still be at 100 haste, near 100 DPS and have additional damage procs. On shorter fights, SK's are nice with Death March (DPS and INT buff).Dirge DPS buff song can provide 42% at master with one of their AA lines, 26% from Inqui, 30%ish from Zerka puts you at high 90's, 74% from the coercer would be wasted, and as nice as it is for bursts, Agitate just doesn't have the duration/proc rate to be up all the time for sustained DPS.I would love to see where my DPS ended up with this set up, I've hit 1850 in a very non optimal group (Assassin, Troubie, Wizard, Templar, Warlock and me)

Atmosphear1993 · 09-25-2006, 07:25 AM

Do you think Swashy's are inferior to Brigands on raids?

Luk · 09-25-2006, 07:49 AM

Atmosphear1993 wrote:
Do you think Swashy's are inferior to Brigands on raids?

Brigs and Swashies, even though both are rogues are completely different and both have equal (though different) usefulness. A raid can be completed with neither or either, but will be easier with both.

Iseabeil · 09-25-2006, 01:56 PM

Atmosphear1993 wrote:

A 12 Gauge 007 wrote:

Ruthless Cunning is the most under used swashy buff in the game...

I agree to that! It is from Bloodlines, picked it up when Bloodlines came out. If you weren't around during that time you might miss it if you don't check your CAs on a website.

Too bad I can't find anyone with the recipe to make the Adept III, nevermind finding a Master of it.

As far as I know there *is* no master version of it, however, if you are far enough yourself in the questline, you can buy the advanced book from the merchant there (Advanced Jeweler's study of Ancient K'Lorn Magic) and give it to a jeweler along with the loam and they can combine it for you, as its not no-trade or somethin silly like that. 41% on adept3 vs 31% on app4 makes the run pay off well. SMILEY

Ildarus · 09-25-2006, 09:33 PM

Licit wrote:

I would love to see where my DPS ended up with this set up, I've hit 1850 in a very non optimal group (Assassin, Troubie, Wizard, Templar, Warlock and me)

How are you doing that 1850?? I have tried the Wisdom line and I just can't get up over 1,000 consistently. I have had parses go over 1,000 on extDPS, but it doesn't happen often, usually stick right around 850-900. It doesn't seem to matter if I am using Wisdom/Strength or Strength/Agility. All my ability are Adept III or higher. I just can't seem to break this. Our Brigand is constently doing around 1100-1200 and I know as a Swashy I should be beating him or at least we should be jocking for DPS.

I here some people talking about 1600-2000 DPS and I sometimes wonder if they are looking at DPS instead of extDPS on the ACT Parser. Because I have seen some of my straight DPS at 1600, but my extDPS was at 900.

Atmosphear1993 · 09-26-2006, 02:42 AM

Licit wrote:

Atmosphear1993 wrote:

Do you think Swashy's are inferior to Brigands on raids?

Brigs and Swashies, even though both are rogues are completely different and both have equal (though different) usefulness. A raid can be completed with neither or either, but will be easier with both.

Seems like lately that there is a push to betray to brigand due to the view that Swashies are less useful and can be replaced by another class. There is a bigger post about the issue in the Zones and Population forum that I recently came across. The issue is starting to bum me out about my class.

Davhanama · 09-26-2006, 04:04 AM

I know there are people betraying to Brigand. I for one love my swashy and feel that the combination of a swashy and brigand in a group/raid is better than just one by itself. I do not know whatit is like to solo with a brigand, but feel that swashys do well when soloing. If you think betraying will make you happy..just do it. But do it because you want to..not because others have done it.

Either way..enjoy the game!

Atmosphear1993 · 09-26-2006, 04:17 AM

Well there is no way I will be betraying to Brigand to loose all of my Masters and relic gear, not to mention I had the mindset of playing a Swash well before the game came out. I rather create a new character with a desirable class for a raid. Or move onto something more interesting. I hope though, that EoF will remedy some of the issues related to the role of a Swashy during raids.

Luk · 09-26-2006, 04:31 AM

Ildarus wrote:

Licit wrote:
I would love to see where my DPS ended up with this set up, I've hit 1850 in a very non optimal group (Assassin, Troubie, Wizard, Templar, Warlock and me)

How are you doing that 1850?? I have tried the Wisdom line and I just can't get up over 1,000 consistently. I have had parses go over 1,000 on extDPS, but it doesn't happen often, usually stick right around 850-900. It doesn't seem to matter if I am using Wisdom/Strength or Strength/Agility. All my ability are Adept III or higher. I just can't seem to break this. Our Brigand is constently doing around 1100-1200 and I know as a Swashy I should be beating him or at least we should be jocking for DPS.

I here some people talking about 1600-2000 DPS and I sometimes wonder if they are looking at DPS instead of extDPS on the ACT Parser. Because I have seen some of my straight DPS at 1600, but my extDPS was at 900.

I am very very good.Alot has to do with timing, mostly its skill quality and equipment quality, most of my CA's are master (only tier 6 ones are at adept 3 with 3 previous tier masters cause there was too little difference to bother upgrading)Picking the best weapon for you is essential, I use an Ancient Velium Rapier most of the time now over my Frostwrath because it does most overall damage (don't know why cause its a lower damage rating weapon)Oh and I always use ext DPS in ACT

09-18-2006, 09:18 PM	#1
Xerxess Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 168	I went to AoA for the first time last night and I thought I was doing good but when they showed parse I was below a monk, assiasan and a couple of rangers...is that bad? If it is I just can't seem to figure out what im doing wrong... __________________ Pepi Necessary Evil 80 Swashy Max of 400 DPS!!

09-18-2006, 09:49 PM	#2
Keldo General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 528	What was your group makeup? That is a large part of your potential DPS. AoA is an AE dream - so Hurricane and your 2 AE should allow you to win parses (especially over a monk) unless you simply had no buffs. Make sure you are using GM Caustic at all times, as well. At 100 haste / 100 dps, 510 str, GM caustic and WIS line with a good fabled 1h, you are in position to beat most classes in any AE situation. The only classes that have a shot to beat you are Conj, Nec, Wiz for the most part. On single target, your biggest foe is likely the assassin, who will beat you most of the time. You have to work a lot harder to win single target parses. __________________ Katsuki [70 Swashbuckler] Katsu2 [70 Brigand] Blackburrow.Bane

09-18-2006, 09:58 PM	#3
AegisCrown Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 576	definately review group build up and was it your first time raiding? if so youll get used to figuring out ways to boost your dps. __________________ EQ2 Flames - Swashbuckler

09-18-2006, 10:36 PM	#4
Xerxess Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 168	I see...our group make up was a Guardian, Assasian, Mystic, Templar, Warden, and Me the Swasy..Also im using Grizzfaz dagger and Essenia blade from SoS quest... __________________ Pepi Necessary Evil 80 Swashy Max of 400 DPS!!

09-19-2006, 12:22 AM	#5
Keldo General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 528	Well there is your prob - that group nets you exactly 0 worthwhile offensive buffs. __________________ Katsuki [70 Swashbuckler] Katsu2 [70 Brigand] Blackburrow.Bane

09-19-2006, 02:33 AM	#6
Cocytus Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,908	I'm generally in the top 2-3 even without worthwile dps boosts with my raid alliance. Were you using Inspiration, Ruthless Cunning, Perfect Finesse, or En Garde?

09-19-2006, 02:33 AM	#7
mikemastermikeymike Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 32	I never lose to wizzys on the parse its all ways the assasin then me unless im in a good group are assasin parses 2k on the norm in all the x4 zones... besides nameds some times i pull out on top of named encounters. __________________ ~Scooter Recruitment Officer of Vae Victis~ ~Speedsta Brigand of Nagafen (Retired)~

09-19-2006, 02:39 AM	#8
Cocytus Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,908	Generally it's either me or my ranger friend on top, though it does sound like the case might be that he's not using inspiration, or maybe has hurricane off.

09-19-2006, 02:41 AM	#9
mikemastermikeymike Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 32	Do you guys not have a good assasin? __________________ ~Scooter Recruitment Officer of Vae Victis~ ~Speedsta Brigand of Nagafen (Retired)~

09-19-2006, 03:39 AM	#10
Iseabeil Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 661	Get good poison and a good group and ye'll spank most of the raid in DPS, ye lose sooo much damage on a group like the one ye were in. Ive been in groups similar to that one due to turnout for raid and dropped easily 500 dps on it zonewide, stuff like +dps and +haste is bread and butter for us (althou its a bit annoying when ye get persona window up at times to see what to cast before inspiration and see yer 100/100 thus making finesse and ruthless useless :p ) __________________

09-20-2006, 02:01 AM	#11
Xerxess Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 168	Hmmm Yeah I didn't have hurricane on and I used inspiration very little because im not really use to raiding...I usaully fight in groups a lot so I guess I was afraid of stealing aggro hehe __________________ Pepi Necessary Evil 80 Swashy Max of 400 DPS!!

09-20-2006, 07:36 AM	#12
Mortal General Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Buffalo. NY Posts: 24	Don't be afraid of stealing aggro, 99.9% of fights you will be in, pulling aggro means you'll die(when you get geared you'll live) and the fight will continue. When I pull aggro on raids nowadays, most of the time I just tank it 'til the MT can get it back lol. 4500 mit ftw =pAs for my experience in raids, I don't try to top the parse anymore. I consistanly end up in the top 5 of our parses behind out Wiz, Assassin, Nec and other swashy. Partly might be that I went Str/Wis so i could use Traumatic Swipe still. I prolly could get back to being on the top with the other swashy we have, but my computer is the crap and I lag to much LOL.BTW, the 0.1% of the fights that you don't want to pull aggro include: Any mob that has mem-wipe and or HUGE frontal. Lord Vyemm and Tarinax have really bad frontal's and pulling aggro when its NOT a mem-wipe is a nono. Vilucidae has a stance where he ripostes like 85% and another where he frontals auto attack and double attacks like 80%. __________________ Bonnie Jean -- Calamity -- 70 Swashbuckler -- Oasis Lilamina de`Rizal -- Defenders of Ak'Anon -- 60 Cleric - Fennin Ro -- retired

09-20-2006, 09:42 AM	#13
Cocytus Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,908	Yeah, that's the problem then. Hurricane and inspiration are the bread and butter.

09-21-2006, 03:49 AM	#14
BenDJ Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 24	I usually on the top 5 on the parse list on my raid without relying on others' haste/dps buffs (around 1k~1.2k dps). And that's without using my 30s haste/dps buffs or caustic poison (usually using mental breach to maintain power to dps). Most of my DPS comes from my crits (i hit around 900-1400 dmg autoattack crit). Im usually in a group that buffs my crit% and a little bit of haste. Having a good 1hander with a high damage range helps w/ crits and combine that w/ 100% haste makes it even better. And when you add in Inspiration and haste/dps buffs and you can go up to 1.7k dps or more on some mobs. __________________

09-21-2006, 04:16 AM	#15
Atmosphear1993 Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 219	Depends on many different things: -Group Make Up - Type of Encounter (multi-targets usually mean more dps for me) - Whether the encounter has knockback or AoE's that will require you to back out. -Various other things. Our dps is all well and good. But there is always typically another class that will be able to dps better than us. If you don't have the right group make up, your dps will be horribly low sometimes.

09-21-2006, 01:48 PM	#16
SageGaspar Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 964	If the monk and rangers in the other group were getting some decent buffs, they could be competitive. In AoA though you should be able to kill them with hurricane no matter what your support is like. It'll take you a while to feel out aggro, but if you're going to pull aggro anywhere, AoA is the place to do it, stuff in there is not terribly hard. Inspiration is a tough one to feel out and when you can drop it really depends on who's tanking for you. I've been in raids with sketchy aggro and it's always exciting trying to push it to the limit without stealing aggro, hehe. Lots of eluding with a lie low here and there.You were in a group with a guardian and a couple priests though, which I assume was a tank group -- put your aggro transfer on the tank, hell, put on the aggro reducing poison if you want to, and there's no way in hell you're going to be pulling aggro off a competent tank. If you pull aggro with that setup, one of ya is doing something terribly wrong, hehe.

09-22-2006, 10:29 PM	#17
A 12 Gauge 007 Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 34	You should also be looking into your gear and AA line. Wisdom is where is at. Get a 1her and go wis. Get Acrylia rings they proc both haste and DPS mods. Ruthless Cunning is the most under used swashy buff in the game... Ive meet swashys that didnt even know it exsists. DT access is nice to make sure your procs push you to max haste but not needed. adpIIIs and masters get em trust me. Classes you wanna group with Monks Zerkers Wizards Mages Templars Troubs. Perfect group for me Coercer DPS buff Templar DPS buff Monk Haste buff Me Wizard/Mage Phoenixblade or Emberseed Any other DPS class usually Assassin in my guild. With this setup I average 1300dps as does the Assassin. When we go all out its 2k+ each. Hope this helps

09-23-2006, 01:19 AM	#18
Atmosphear1993 Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 219	A 12 Gauge 007 wrote: Ruthless Cunning is the most under used swashy buff in the game... I agree to that! It is from Bloodlines, picked it up when Bloodlines came out. If you weren't around during that time you might miss it if you don't check your CAs on a website. Too bad I can't find anyone with the recipe to make the Adept III, nevermind finding a Master of it.

09-23-2006, 08:59 AM	#19
Gerdos Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 236	A 12 Gauge 007 wrote: You should also be looking into your gear and AA line. Wisdom is where is at. Get a 1her and go wis. Get Acrylia rings they proc both haste and DPS mods. Ruthless Cunning is the most under used swashy buff in the game... Ive meet swashys that didnt even know it exsists. DT access is nice to make sure your procs push you to max haste but not needed. adpIIIs and masters get em trust me. Classes you wanna group with Monks Zerkers Wizards Mages Templars Troubs. Perfect group for me Coercer DPS buff Templar DPS buff Monk Haste buff Me Wizard/Mage Phoenixblade or Emberseed Any other DPS class usually Assassin in my guild. With this setup I average 1300dps as does the Assassin. When we go all out its 2k+ each. Hope this helps Why templars?? You mean inquisitors??

09-23-2006, 09:53 AM	#20
A 12 Gauge 007 Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 34	Yes Inq... I stand corrected.

09-23-2006, 06:30 PM	#21
mikemastermikeymike Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 32	Why a monk when you could have a dirge and why not a fury my perfect group would problly be...... Dirge Fury Corcer Inq conji me lol this like never ever ever happens but it would own for me :smileyvery-happy: __________________ ~Scooter Recruitment Officer of Vae Victis~ ~Speedsta Brigand of Nagafen (Retired)~

09-25-2006, 07:10 AM	#22
Luk General Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 897	mikemastermikeymike wrote: Why a monk when you could have a dirge and why not a fury my perfect group would problly be...... Dirge Fury Corcer Inq conji me lol this like never ever ever happens but it would own for me :smileyvery-happy: That would way over stack you on both haste and DPS, you would be much better off dropping the coercer and fury, replace with a zerka (haste/dps and STR buff) and wizard (STR/INT buff and Phoenix Blade), you would still be at 100 haste, near 100 DPS and have additional damage procs. On shorter fights, SK's are nice with Death March (DPS and INT buff).Dirge DPS buff song can provide 42% at master with one of their AA lines, 26% from Inqui, 30%ish from Zerka puts you at high 90's, 74% from the coercer would be wasted, and as nice as it is for bursts, Agitate just doesn't have the duration/proc rate to be up all the time for sustained DPS.I would love to see where my DPS ended up with this set up, I've hit 1850 in a very non optimal group (Assassin, Troubie, Wizard, Templar, Warlock and me)

09-25-2006, 07:25 AM	#23
Atmosphear1993 Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 219	Do you think Swashy's are inferior to Brigands on raids?

09-25-2006, 07:49 AM	#24
Luk General Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 897	Atmosphear1993 wrote: Do you think Swashy's are inferior to Brigands on raids? Brigs and Swashies, even though both are rogues are completely different and both have equal (though different) usefulness. A raid can be completed with neither or either, but will be easier with both.

09-25-2006, 01:56 PM	#25
Iseabeil Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 661	Atmosphear1993 wrote: A 12 Gauge 007 wrote: Ruthless Cunning is the most under used swashy buff in the game... I agree to that! It is from Bloodlines, picked it up when Bloodlines came out. If you weren't around during that time you might miss it if you don't check your CAs on a website. Too bad I can't find anyone with the recipe to make the Adept III, nevermind finding a Master of it. As far as I know there is no master version of it, however, if you are far enough yourself in the questline, you can buy the advanced book from the merchant there (Advanced Jeweler's study of Ancient K'Lorn Magic) and give it to a jeweler along with the loam and they can combine it for you, as its not no-trade or somethin silly like that. 41% on adept3 vs 31% on app4 makes the run pay off well. __________________

09-25-2006, 09:33 PM	#26
Ildarus Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: MPLS, MN Posts: 221	Licit wrote: I would love to see where my DPS ended up with this set up, I've hit 1850 in a very non optimal group (Assassin, Troubie, Wizard, Templar, Warlock and me) How are you doing that 1850?? I have tried the Wisdom line and I just can't get up over 1,000 consistently. I have had parses go over 1,000 on extDPS, but it doesn't happen often, usually stick right around 850-900. It doesn't seem to matter if I am using Wisdom/Strength or Strength/Agility. All my ability are Adept III or higher. I just can't seem to break this. Our Brigand is constently doing around 1100-1200 and I know as a Swashy I should be beating him or at least we should be jocking for DPS. I here some people talking about 1600-2000 DPS and I sometimes wonder if they are looking at DPS instead of extDPS on the ACT Parser. Because I have seen some of my straight DPS at 1600, but my extDPS was at 900. __________________ Lord Sarron-Level 80 Swashbuckler Serpaw-Level 74 Berserker Simbarth-Level 22 Shadowknight/76 Alchemist

09-26-2006, 02:42 AM	#27
Atmosphear1993 Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 219	Licit wrote: Atmosphear1993 wrote: Do you think Swashy's are inferior to Brigands on raids? Brigs and Swashies, even though both are rogues are completely different and both have equal (though different) usefulness. A raid can be completed with neither or either, but will be easier with both. Seems like lately that there is a push to betray to brigand due to the view that Swashies are less useful and can be replaced by another class. There is a bigger post about the issue in the Zones and Population forum that I recently came across. The issue is starting to bum me out about my class.

09-26-2006, 04:04 AM	#28
Davhanama Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 67	I know there are people betraying to Brigand. I for one love my swashy and feel that the combination of a swashy and brigand in a group/raid is better than just one by itself. I do not know whatit is like to solo with a brigand, but feel that swashys do well when soloing. If you think betraying will make you happy..just do it. But do it because you want to..not because others have done it. Either way..enjoy the game! __________________

09-26-2006, 04:17 AM	#29
Atmosphear1993 Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 219	Well there is no way I will be betraying to Brigand to loose all of my Masters and relic gear, not to mention I had the mindset of playing a Swash well before the game came out. I rather create a new character with a desirable class for a raid. Or move onto something more interesting. I hope though, that EoF will remedy some of the issues related to the role of a Swashy during raids.

09-26-2006, 04:31 AM	#30
Luk General Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 897	Ildarus wrote: Licit wrote: I would love to see where my DPS ended up with this set up, I've hit 1850 in a very non optimal group (Assassin, Troubie, Wizard, Templar, Warlock and me) How are you doing that 1850?? I have tried the Wisdom line and I just can't get up over 1,000 consistently. I have had parses go over 1,000 on extDPS, but it doesn't happen often, usually stick right around 850-900. It doesn't seem to matter if I am using Wisdom/Strength or Strength/Agility. All my ability are Adept III or higher. I just can't seem to break this. Our Brigand is constently doing around 1100-1200 and I know as a Swashy I should be beating him or at least we should be jocking for DPS. I here some people talking about 1600-2000 DPS and I sometimes wonder if they are looking at DPS instead of extDPS on the ACT Parser. Because I have seen some of my straight DPS at 1600, but my extDPS was at 900. I am very very good.Alot has to do with timing, mostly its skill quality and equipment quality, most of my CA's are master (only tier 6 ones are at adept 3 with 3 previous tier masters cause there was too little difference to bother upgrading)Picking the best weapon for you is essential, I use an Ancient Velium Rapier most of the time now over my Frostwrath because it does most overall damage (don't know why cause its a lower damage rating weapon)Oh and I always use ext DPS in ACT