Healing Power

Emeria · 01-14-2005, 09:54 PM

My apologies because I've no doubt this has been covered a bit before, but my question is about healing power of Furies. I currently have a druid in her teens and I'm really stuck as to whether I should go Warden or Fury. She is a dark elf, so I lean towards Fury... because.. well.. come on, a dark elf turning into a deer? hehehe

But I started a priest because I wanted to be able to function as a group's healer... sole healer if need be. From looking over the spell lists for Wardens and Furies, it seems Wardens get many more heals, including upgrades to regrowth, the spell I use most.

So my question is this: How do Furies function as main healers? Do you hold your own or struggle a lot? What healing spells do you use most often?

Thanks for any input ya have SMILEY

FumoFu · 01-14-2005, 10:42 PM

we hold our own, in our own kinda way, we cannot heal very well. quite poorly infact in later lvl's same as warden... if you want to be a main healer i suggest going cleric with another character. fury's are sposed to be good buffer debuffers with average heals ... but we are non of these... SMILEY

i suggest reading through the fury broken spells topic on the "spells combat" forum... lots of info there.

rayy · 01-14-2005, 10:45 PM

Some will argue im sure but I have no problem being the only healer so long as the group has half a brain. With one tank taking dmg there isnt much I cant heal usually lead with a regrowth when they have taken close to 35-40% damage and then bloom if needed or let the regrowth ride if he has good ac.Now if wizzies start beating on things and getting hit yeah things get tricky and aggro will follow but if you know your stuff again no prob.

Always lead a fight with weaken over time you will understand why saves you and everyone else health/power. A second healer is always great but again for me I dont have too much of a problem unless were fighting hard hard things or the meatshields decide to start "thinking" gods help them and try to as i Have heard it put "spread out" the damage.The more they spread the more aggro you will accumulate so blah on that idea unless you fighting things you are used to and are comfortable with that. But i have no idea about wardens or the higher levels so this is strictly from my view at this point.

And actually lately Ive been grouping with 1-2 other casters and have been pushed into the tank role myself but with peer. pred. never very hard unless again all the mobs are yellow with ^^ then ouch! Spells I use the most are Regrowth, Bloom, Weaken,DoT's/ CHill for my HO......

forsquil · 01-14-2005, 11:40 PM

People can argue as much as they want about this, but with an average group hunting higher things ( which you should be a in a group ) Fury can not main heal! Some will scream yes I can, hehe, but going OOP every battle from chain healing doesnt count guys. I played a cleric in eq for a few years so I think I know how to play a healer, and in groups with another healer I keep hots going and back up heals flying, hehe, I have had other healers complement me a few times saying I was making it too easy for them. Now if I am only healer ( in a large group ) I just cant keep up because Fury does not have the same ability in our heals or debuffs as other priests. The biggest factor to this is stacking I think, Shamans and Clerics can stack their special heals while our hots don't....

I enjoy the class but I am dispointed in our healing abilities as we grow higher in level. I thought Fury were gonna be a dps/ healer ( with our buffs going more towards offensive then defensive ). Right now we arent a hybrid but we are not a true priest either...:smileysad:

Btw I think its around level 25 that you will start to see your heals become ineffecient. 30 is the kicker..

Message Edited by forsquilis on 01-14-2005 01:43 PM

Ee · 01-15-2005, 12:39 AM

I think that wardens have similar issues when it comes to solo healing in a full group, at least until level 30. I am still able to function as a main healer at level 34, but I am not nearly as efficient as other priest classes. The problem is that our HoT takes 20-30 seconds for a complete a heal cycle - no matter what the situation is. Reactives and Wards on the other hard can expire in 5 seconds if the situation is appropriate (the tank is taking a lot of damage from a lot of mobs). Picture this - your MT pulls a group of two single ups and aggros two more on the way back... as he starts to show "orange" on his health bar the cleric places a reactive heal on him. The next four hits (lets assume all four mobs hit him in there next cylce) will heal him for upward of a 1000hps (for a 30+ cleric) in very little time and the cleric will then be able to apply another reactive whether it is the same one or stacking a new one with the time remaining on the old one. Now, for the druids "special" heals (HoT) if the tank suddenly takes a load of damage our regrowth does very, very little and we have to spam instant heals. It will not only take us more time to get the tank out of the hot zone but it will cost the druid more mana to do it. Any Priest can heal when the tank is being hit for moderate amounts of damage, the problem arises when you are required to deal with extra damage.

Twizz · 01-15-2005, 09:43 AM

forsquilis wrote:

People can argue as much as they want about this, but with an average group hunting higher things ( which you should be a in a group ) Fury can not main heal! Some will scream yes I can, hehe, but going OOP every battle from chain healing doesnt count guys. I played a cleric in eq for a few years so I think I know how to play a healer, and in groups with another healer I keep hots going and back up heals flying, hehe, I have had other healers complement me a few times saying I was making it too easy for them. Now if I am only healer ( in a large group ) I just cant keep up because Fury does not have the same ability in our heals or debuffs as other priests. The biggest factor to this is stacking I think, Shamans and Clerics can stack their special heals while our hots don't....

I enjoy the class but I am dispointed in our healing abilities as we grow higher in level. I thought Fury were gonna be a dps/ healer ( with our buffs going more towards offensive then defensive ). Right now we arent a hybrid but we are not a true priest either...:smileysad:

Btw I think its around level 25 that you will start to see your heals become ineffecient. 30 is the kicker..

Message Edited by forsquilis on 01-14-2005 01:43 PM

I don't like these sort of arguments but had to reply...

Exactly what does the eq1 cleric thing add to this?

I played an Eq1 druid and I COULD main heal in EQ1 no matter what people said about druids and their ability to main heal. I rarely had clerics in groups and we never needed them for anything we did with a single group up to GOD. Now I play a fury and at 31 I can still main heal during a dungeon crawl.

That said, I feel our higher level heals need to be upgraded. I shouldn't still be using a level 12 heal at 31, but I am.

to answer the original poster: things might change, and I don't think it will be for the worse for the fury class. Hopefully our higher level heals will be upgraded before you (and I) reach higher levels. Our group heals are currently crap but in normal group situation where everyone does their job, and the tank is high enough, being a main healer works. For duoing with a tank we are great too. I killed groups of level 33-34 mobs with a 31 SK when I was 30, and it works fine even though both of us were out of power after ech fight. Would have been flying with a full group. Everything can be done, as long as you know what you are doing SMILEY

Emeria · 01-15-2005, 09:59 PM

Thanks for the replies everyone SMILEY

I'm still a little bit torn, but leaning Fury. The only thing still really making me torn is the possibility that Wardens are better healers, or at least are viewed as better healers. Can't succeed in a job that no one will hire ya for anyways SMILEY

jfo · 01-15-2005, 10:38 PM

furies own. we're the best. if you love to roleplay, they're a tonne of fun.

any of these doomsayers or complainers just don't do their job right, or group with really stupid people.

forsquil · 01-16-2005, 03:06 AM

I mentioned eq1 to show that I have played a healer before, I have been playing morgs about 5/6yrs now and I always pick a healer type cause it's something I enjoy playing so I think I know how to play a healer. I made a fury/druid type for a couple reasons one being I was told all priest classes would be able to handle main healer job unlike eq1. Sure we can heal as furies, but our heals are ALOT weakier then the other priests.

I am lucky in that I have a strong guild so whenever I sign on I can find a full group and we hunt orange/reds and ussually in packs of mobs (I would not consider these people dumb or we simply wouldnt be able to successfully do alot of the zones/mobs we hunt) As a solo healer my heals can't keep up I have to cast too many instants and then I lose too much power (if you drop under 60 every battle then something is wrong its just not effiecent), now if i am grouped with a guild cleric or shaman thats not the case because I pretty much just use hots (heal over time) with occasnial instant heals as needed.

The fury is a class thats needs some major adjusting in their heal line, and hopefully before we start getting people biased to use due to our healing ability. It can still be a fun class just don't expect to be main healer without losing way too much power. As a 2ndary healer I feel we really shine right now, but thats just my personal opinion.

I am neither a doomsayer or complainer I am simply stating the facts as I experience it in game. I still enjoy playing a Fury or I wouldnt still be playing, lol, we just need some serious help on our heals peroid.

Madroxci · 01-16-2005, 06:40 AM

I have no problems healing, i'm only a lvl 23 fury right now so that might play in to it i have no clue, i will find out later but right now if i'm a main healer in the group i'm the last to go oop. I dunno if that is just the way i play or good equipment decisions i don't know, being main healer in group i do just fine on power, got a 24 fury friend who goes oop a lot faster than me, i don't know if its because he doesn't keep up with the tank as much or what. I am sure it might be different at 30+ but so far i am doing fine. I love playing a fury i prefer it over a warden but that is just my opinion. We are mainly meant for support healing and everything but if you know your class and you have a tank that has a brain then you should not have any problems and yes fury's can main heal on higher mobs, if you are talking about a raid that would make no sense because you would always want a cleric with you for that but if attacking something reasonable to your group then you should be fine.

Twizz · 01-16-2005, 10:07 AM

forsquilis wrote:

I mentioned eq1 to show that I have played a healer before, I have been playing morgs about 5/6yrs now and I always pick a healer type cause it's something I enjoy playing so I think I know how to play a healer. I made a fury/druid type for a couple reasons one being I was told all priest classes would be able to handle main healer job unlike eq1. Sure we can heal as furies, but our heals are ALOT weakier then the other priests.

I am lucky in that I have a strong guild so whenever I sign on I can find a full group and we hunt orange/reds and ussually in packs of mobs (I would not consider these people dumb or we simply wouldnt be able to successfully do alot of the zones/mobs we hunt) As a solo healer my heals can't keep up I have to cast too many instants and then I lose too much power (if you drop under 60 every battle then something is wrong its just not effiecent), now if i am grouped with a guild cleric or shaman thats not the case because I pretty much just use hots (heal over time) with occasnial instant heals as needed.

The fury is a class thats needs some major adjusting in their heal line, and hopefully before we start getting people biased to use due to our healing ability. It can still be a fun class just don't expect to be main healer without losing way too much power. As a 2ndary healer I feel we really shine right now, but thats just my personal opinion.

I am neither a doomsayer or complainer I am simply stating the facts as I experience it in game. I still enjoy playing a Fury or I wouldnt still be playing, lol, we just need some serious help on our heals peroid.

My point was that it's really hard to tell unless you have played all 3 healer classes to the same level and think you know them equally well, in THIS game. Nothing personal. I prefer playing a healer as well. I also seem to always pick less disired classes in every game I play (I haven't noticed this in EQ2 yet, I get tells for groups all the time). When I take over healing from a cleric type I don't see that much difference in power usage, and I use less power then shamans on plate tanks. The way they heal looks safer but not sure it really is hehe.

Mentioning another game leads to alot of missconsumptions. Just look at every class board. You can still find alot of people saying Guardian Always = MT, Templar always = main healer and so on. Honestly the people who have been tanking the best in my groups are the knight classes, followed by berzerkers. I have a bit of bad luck with the guardians I group with lol, and have no experiance from grouping with the brawler sumbclasses at all.

kcirrot · 01-16-2005, 02:18 PM

forsquilis wrote:

I mentioned eq1 to show that I have played a healer before, I have been playing morgs about 5/6yrs now and I always pick a healer type cause it's something I enjoy playing so I think I know how to play a healer. I made a fury/druid type for a couple reasons one being I was told all priest classes would be able to handle main healer job unlike eq1. Sure we can heal as furies, but our heals are ALOT weakier then the other priests.

I am lucky in that I have a strong guild so whenever I sign on I can find a full group and we hunt orange/reds and ussually in packs of mobs (I would not consider these people dumb or we simply wouldnt be able to successfully do alot of the zones/mobs we hunt) As a solo healer my heals can't keep up I have to cast too many instants and then I lose too much power (if you drop under 60 every battle then something is wrong its just not effiecent), now if i am grouped with a guild cleric or shaman thats not the case because I pretty much just use hots (heal over time) with occasnial instant heals as needed.

The fury is a class thats needs some major adjusting in their heal line, and hopefully before we start getting people biased to use due to our healing ability. It can still be a fun class just don't expect to be main healer without losing way too much power. As a 2ndary healer I feel we really shine right now, but thats just my personal opinion.

I am neither a doomsayer or complainer I am simply stating the facts as I experience it in game. I still enjoy playing a Fury or I wouldnt still be playing, lol, we just need some serious help on our heals peroid.

That's simply not true. The heals of all three priests are broken from the mid-20s on. Clerics cannot put out significantly more healing power than we can. If you are dropping under 60 power every battle then you are doing something wrong. I main heal regularly and always have decent power at the end of a battle. Only adds cause me to go under 25%. I'm level 25 now, but I've been the sole healer for pulls 5 levels above the tank.

Use good drinks and your power will come back between pulls. Pick the traits that increase your power regen, keep Verdure on. Make sure you have decent gear at all times. Upgrade your spells. Any Fury who does all of that and still complains that they can't heal as well as a cleric doesn't know what they are doing.

Armol · 01-16-2005, 08:59 PM

I stood at the crossroads of Fury .vs. Warden myself as we all did.

What made my decision is

I like mountain lions better than wolves and I also wanted to play a more offensive class but still be able to heal when necessary.

I can main heal if needed, but my favorite role in groups is as a backup healer (keeping an eye out on the healer) while buffing the tank and debuffing and dot'ing the mobs. Plus swatting with the claws.

In any group, I always recommend having an extra healer. I can be the main somewhat effectively, but for the most part, they do heal better and being secondary fits well with my play style.

As for not getting invites by being a fury, it might happen for people who've never grouped with me before, but that will be overcome by learning and playing your class well. People who I've grouped with in the past always shout to me if they see me lfg. Your reputation is what'll make you.

Gertack_v2 · 01-16-2005, 09:22 PM

Perhaps a slight change to our healing abilities would make them more useful: instead of being timer-based healing, it should have a number of charges and will heal in ticks whenever that person is not at 100% health. This way the spell can be applied before battle, can heal a person back to full, won't waste energy on a 100% health person, but is still limited by time. The cleric would still get their reactives faster for a lot of small hits but we would do better for fewer, heavier hits and both being even in most other regards.Gertack24 Fury

quetzaqotl · 01-16-2005, 11:46 PM

I always like to be in a group with two healers (no surprises shared aggro etc.) but if need be I a lvl 36 fury can solo heal a party taking on red double con nb's, just did in rivervale.

It al depends on the group if I have a whizzie casting breeze on me and a good tank and good dps the [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] thing would've dropped dead

in only a couple of mins so no prob here.

And dont underestimate the solo power of the fury I think furies are one of the best classes for solo adventuring.

FloydNakamic · 01-17-2005, 03:49 AM

All 3 preist archetypes CAN solo heal a full group, however after the late 20's none can do it efficiently. It becomes especially eveident in areas where you are almost guaranteed to get adds every other fight The main benefit of a fury is that we match extremely well with both shaman and cleric classes.

ren · 01-17-2005, 04:09 AM

We don't even match well with shamans in theory. Damage shields don't work at all with shamen -- not like they are very good anyways.

forsquil · 01-17-2005, 04:31 AM

kcirrot wrote:

Use good drinks and your power will come back between pulls. Pick the traits that increase your power regen, keep Verdure on. Make sure you have decent gear at all times. Upgrade your spells. Any Fury who does all of that and still complains that they can't heal as well as a cleric doesn't know what they are doing.

I do all of the above I use red drink, all my gear is orange to me, my heals are adept 1 or better ( every one ). The shaman I group with on a steady basis can stack two of his sheild heals which makes a huge difference compared to us not being able to stacks regens. All I want is our heals to be as effective as the other priests type I group with. I pay attention to my group and I notice the difference if I am the one main healing or the shaman/cleric is. No matter how good or bad of a player you are you are limited to the game mechianics of your spells.

Solo the Fury class is just fine ( though out dots still need to be adjusted to stack ), and as a back of healer we are also fine.

I dont know why this has turned into an attack on me. I made my post because the orginal poster asked about our healing ability so I told him my experience on the fury class with our heals.

Message Edited by forsquilis on 01-16-2005 07:45 PM

Medu · 01-17-2005, 08:25 AM

Hi everyone, 43 warden here. I can't say much about furies, but druids in general. For everyone saying "If you want to be main healer be a cleric" : What is wrong with you? So far all the tanks that I've been with tell me that I keep my mana longer than the other classes. I can be the solo healer on a level 50 ^^ group x2 mob with 4 ^ adds, at level 43 (with a 47 zerker tank). I don't know if this actually pertains to furies as well, but I am a great main healer, and all you cleric lovers can go shove it . :smileyhappy: no offence to the clerics, they are good people too. Just my input. Also , I'm a very lazy druid and don't even use any food or drink, and if I do , its my summoned drink. :smileytongue:

Gura · 01-17-2005, 11:20 AM

Hiya furies, visiting Mystic here... just browsing the other forums to see how my brother priests feel about their classes. Something I have personally noticed - All of the priests are complaining about their healing. I have heard some of my guildies and various group mates complain about the efficacy of their healing over time spells... Druids of course - both Fury and Warden. Also, check out the other priest forums.. everyone is complaining about something... justified or not.

Just so you know how the Mystics work (and I would guess Defilers too) - we are having trouble keeping up with our specialized healing line too. Wards are taking more damage than naked characters, they aren't stopping all spell and combat art damage, they are now (since our big patch) all on the same timer, and only our first (and weakest) ward will stack with any other single target ward. Of course on the stacking issue.. there is not really a point to bothering to stack spectral ward with any of the higher wards. By the time the recast timer is up on the entire line.. any of the wards has already been expended and the tank has taken a nice lump of damage and now you must wait again before you can cast your ward. This point of view has been brought to you by a level 42 Mystic. :smileyhappy:

It's hard.. but try not to compare your problems with the seeming success of the other priests. We aren't as effective as you think we are. I can heal a group solo.. barely. I understand that most priests share that problem. Let us face the fact that we lost equality and balance in healing the day they decided to completely change all of the priest spells immediately after they finished with beta. OH! Forgive my lapse... we are playing in beta. :smileyindifferent:

Anyway, good luck with getting your problems corrected... wish the Shamans and Clerics the same. Maybe one day we will all feel better about our capabilities. (When the broken abilities are fixed and balance is restored.) :smileyhappy:

BTW, shame on you Meduzz.. if you aren't using better drink than summoned stuff. Try buying some better drink.. you'll notice the difference in power regen. :smileytongue:

PKennyK · 01-17-2005, 11:21 AM

Hi everyone 33 Fury here.I did not play the first EQ but I am enjoying the second one every chance I get to play it. I don't know why some people say druids/furies can't heal or be main healer. I spend 90% of the time as main healer and I have no problems at all. All you have to do is get a good tank with dps to back up and it's cake xp.All my spells/heals are at least adept1 so that helps a little. I use bloom/regrowth/effloresce/wilding elixir as main heals. If tank gets slaughtered on first few hits I can heal instant 1100+ easy with more HoT's goin after. I use my debuffs to weaken monster and as they take affect the damage slows down ALOT. Then healing gets easy. Just use bloom/regrowth on tank and fleashweave on other dps that/if lose health. Also have +agi +str +ac +dam buffs that help the tank out. Pretty easy healing from there. Use some HoT's when I got super mana regen goin that add to ac and def and such.If wondering what dps is like, I recently grouped with an assn that had a program runnin that showed damage after a battle and I was doing 1000+ easy every fight(Note: there was another healer helpin, when I main heal/dps it went down sufficiently but was still ok 750+ damage). Reg hits of 10+(crappy weapon though SMILEY

) and mauls/blessed weap of 75+. With good drink, mana regen/buffs it's fury heaven SMILEY

my .02Zhilena 33-Fury 22-Provisioner

ren · 01-17-2005, 12:38 PM

I'm just biding my time til ya all hit 50 and realize that it isn't roses =P

You may think that Furies are good healers now, but we aren't. I'm sorry, but we aren't.

It may also plague the other classes and I understand the shaman issue because they were also screwed by SoE taking out regens/etc as secondary heal lines last minute right as beta ended w/o actually testing if it would be viable. I am working with almost all AD3 and Master1 heals and I can't keep up and level 30-40 wardens have more pure healing potential by me by at least 2x and their heals are FAR more efficient. Seriously, if I heard a high level warden angry at their heals I would laugh in their face. Mostly on my server, though, all the wardens are laughing in mine as they drop 550/tick regens and 2k heals on people for 100ish mana while I struggle with a 855 heal for 234mp while mobs lay waste to casters with their 1-2k trip specials and other mobs take out the tanks,dps, and other healers with 3.5K barrages.

The simple truth is that I have neither the mana nor the straight healing power capable of being a viable healer. And don't go slapping that "secondary healer" bs around either because that is a cosmetic title that means that you are useless and to just get you if nobody else is available.

Twizz · 01-17-2005, 02:15 PM

I see your points rensu, and think our heals are broken. What made me post in this thread in the first place was the "I know we can't heal cause I played a healer in other games". We can still heal fine at around 30, but I can see us getting weaker at higher levels since we don't get much upgrades to our heals. The heals broken, probebly more broken then some other classes' heals but people that say they heal worse then other classes in their low to mid 20s are doing something wrong.

22-28 or so is where we really shine. It still works at 32 but soon our lack of good subclass heals will give me trouble.

A note about food and drink: Don't use red drink, use blue superior drink seems much better then red high drink.

Emeria · 01-17-2005, 09:54 PM

Thanks again everyone for the replies... its nice to read various opinions. Its kinda sounding like Furies do great up til the 30-35 range. Whats funny is that my main has been a warlock, but because warlocks have some serious trouble after the 30's is one of the big reasons I started playing my healer more. "A priest... those are so necessary, surely they won't be broken in the same way", I thought SMILEY

I'm guessing (hoping) that we will still see many changes come to the game, and many spell upgrades. Heaven knows sorcerors need it.

darkshm · 01-19-2005, 03:15 AM

I'm loving my Fury and I have no problem keeping up with other healers. I'm also, of course, only level 24 (OK, I lied, 23.91). I'm hoping Rensu's made enough noise that by the time I hit the mid 30's or so (which I understand is when the real disparities really start becoming apparent) it'll be fixed. If not I s'pose I'll just make my monk my main char. *sniff*And honestly, would letting our DoTs stack be that awful? SMILEY

Faelia · 01-19-2005, 09:35 AM

Ignore the people who say Furies can not heal well, because we can. I'm level 47 now, and 9 times out of 10 I'm the solo healer in the group, and I do perfectly fine. The level 40 Training heal is doing 795 for me and still has 3 more levels left to grow, and our regens are very useful.

People see the templars reactive heals and automatically assume that Furies can't possibly hope to keep up. They're wrong. Not only do we act perfectly well as the only healer in a group, but we get great buffs, very nice debuffs, dots, nukes, and (eventually) probably the best group invisibility spell in the game. Furies rock.

Emeria · 01-19-2005, 11:12 AM

Thanks Faelia SMILEY

Yeah I've decided to go Fury afterall. Lots of folks had me worried, but then I realized most of the complaints come from the 30's range. I've talked to about 3 45-50 furies recently and they all say they do great, so yay! Fury for me... I don't have to turn into a goofy lil deer after all SMILEY

ren · 01-19-2005, 11:17 AM

Well I am glad that someone enjoys the class =P

Where do ya hunt, btw?

Twizz · 01-19-2005, 02:06 PM

Emeria26 wrote:

Thanks Faelia

Yeah I've decided to go Fury afterall. Lots of folks had me worried, but then I realized most of the complaints come from the 30's range. I've talked to about 3 45-50 furies recently and they all say they do great, so yay! Fury for me... I don't have to turn into a goofy lil deer after all

I'm in the 30s and I don't complain about the class as a whole. I love playing a fury. What I want fixed is our higher level heals. A level 26 spell should be better then a level 12 spell. They are about equal right now at 32 (both adept 3). Only reason I use fleshweave is because it lasts longer. It should be a better heal or have a secundary effect to make it a viable option.

If I had picked the level 20 heal I wouldn't even touch fleshweave in it's current state.

Faelia · 01-20-2005, 04:55 AM

rensu wrote:

Well I am glad that someone enjoys the class =P

Where do ya hunt, btw?

Permafrost and Soluseks Eye mostly, if you were asking me.

01-14-2005, 10:42 PM	#2
FumoFu Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 49	we hold our own, in our own kinda way, we cannot heal very well. quite poorly infact in later lvl's same as warden... if you want to be a main healer i suggest going cleric with another character. fury's are sposed to be good buffer debuffers with average heals ... but we are non of these... i suggest reading through the fury broken spells topic on the "spells combat" forum... lots of info there.

01-14-2005, 10:45 PM	#3
rayy Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 12	Some will argue im sure but I have no problem being the only healer so long as the group has half a brain. With one tank taking dmg there isnt much I cant heal usually lead with a regrowth when they have taken close to 35-40% damage and then bloom if needed or let the regrowth ride if he has good ac.Now if wizzies start beating on things and getting hit yeah things get tricky and aggro will follow but if you know your stuff again no prob. Always lead a fight with weaken over time you will understand why saves you and everyone else health/power. A second healer is always great but again for me I dont have too much of a problem unless were fighting hard hard things or the meatshields decide to start "thinking" gods help them and try to as i Have heard it put "spread out" the damage.The more they spread the more aggro you will accumulate so blah on that idea unless you fighting things you are used to and are comfortable with that. But i have no idea about wardens or the higher levels so this is strictly from my view at this point. And actually lately Ive been grouping with 1-2 other casters and have been pushed into the tank role myself but with peer. pred. never very hard unless again all the mobs are yellow with ^^ then ouch! Spells I use the most are Regrowth, Bloom, Weaken,DoT's/ CHill for my HO...... __________________

01-14-2005, 11:40 PM	#4
forsquil Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 30	People can argue as much as they want about this, but with an average group hunting higher things ( which you should be a in a group ) Fury can not main heal! Some will scream yes I can, hehe, but going OOP every battle from chain healing doesnt count guys. I played a cleric in eq for a few years so I think I know how to play a healer, and in groups with another healer I keep hots going and back up heals flying, hehe, I have had other healers complement me a few times saying I was making it too easy for them. Now if I am only healer ( in a large group ) I just cant keep up because Fury does not have the same ability in our heals or debuffs as other priests. The biggest factor to this is stacking I think, Shamans and Clerics can stack their special heals while our hots don't.... I enjoy the class but I am dispointed in our healing abilities as we grow higher in level. I thought Fury were gonna be a dps/ healer ( with our buffs going more towards offensive then defensive ). Right now we arent a hybrid but we are not a true priest either...:smileysad: Btw I think its around level 25 that you will start to see your heals become ineffecient. 30 is the kicker.. Message Edited by forsquilis on 01-14-2005 01:43 PM __________________

01-15-2005, 09:43 AM	#6
Twizz Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 169	forsquilis wrote: People can argue as much as they want about this, but with an average group hunting higher things ( which you should be a in a group ) Fury can not main heal! Some will scream yes I can, hehe, but going OOP every battle from chain healing doesnt count guys. I played a cleric in eq for a few years so I think I know how to play a healer, and in groups with another healer I keep hots going and back up heals flying, hehe, I have had other healers complement me a few times saying I was making it too easy for them. Now if I am only healer ( in a large group ) I just cant keep up because Fury does not have the same ability in our heals or debuffs as other priests. The biggest factor to this is stacking I think, Shamans and Clerics can stack their special heals while our hots don't.... I enjoy the class but I am dispointed in our healing abilities as we grow higher in level. I thought Fury were gonna be a dps/ healer ( with our buffs going more towards offensive then defensive ). Right now we arent a hybrid but we are not a true priest either...:smileysad: Btw I think its around level 25 that you will start to see your heals become ineffecient. 30 is the kicker.. Message Edited by forsquilis on 01-14-2005 01:43 PM I don't like these sort of arguments but had to reply... Exactly what does the eq1 cleric thing add to this? I played an Eq1 druid and I COULD main heal in EQ1 no matter what people said about druids and their ability to main heal. I rarely had clerics in groups and we never needed them for anything we did with a single group up to GOD. Now I play a fury and at 31 I can still main heal during a dungeon crawl. That said, I feel our higher level heals need to be upgraded. I shouldn't still be using a level 12 heal at 31, but I am. to answer the original poster: things might change, and I don't think it will be for the worse for the fury class. Hopefully our higher level heals will be upgraded before you (and I) reach higher levels. Our group heals are currently crap but in normal group situation where everyone does their job, and the tank is high enough, being a main healer works. For duoing with a tank we are great too. I killed groups of level 33-34 mobs with a 31 SK when I was 30, and it works fine even though both of us were out of power after ech fight. Would have been flying with a full group. Everything can be done, as long as you know what you are doing __________________ Akhorahil Gildarion Styrbjorn Murazor

01-15-2005, 09:59 PM	#7
Emeria Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6	Thanks for the replies everyone I'm still a little bit torn, but leaning Fury. The only thing still really making me torn is the possibility that Wardens are better healers, or at least are viewed as better healers. Can't succeed in a job that no one will hire ya for anyways

01-14-2005, 09:54 PM	#1
Emeria Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6	My apologies because I've no doubt this has been covered a bit before, but my question is about healing power of Furies. I currently have a druid in her teens and I'm really stuck as to whether I should go Warden or Fury. She is a dark elf, so I lean towards Fury... because.. well.. come on, a dark elf turning into a deer? hehehe But I started a priest because I wanted to be able to function as a group's healer... sole healer if need be. From looking over the spell lists for Wardens and Furies, it seems Wardens get many more heals, including upgrades to regrowth, the spell I use most. So my question is this: How do Furies function as main healers? Do you hold your own or struggle a lot? What healing spells do you use most often? Thanks for any input ya have

01-15-2005, 12:39 AM	#5
Ee Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 43	I think that wardens have similar issues when it comes to solo healing in a full group, at least until level 30. I am still able to function as a main healer at level 34, but I am not nearly as efficient as other priest classes. The problem is that our HoT takes 20-30 seconds for a complete a heal cycle - no matter what the situation is. Reactives and Wards on the other hard can expire in 5 seconds if the situation is appropriate (the tank is taking a lot of damage from a lot of mobs). Picture this - your MT pulls a group of two single ups and aggros two more on the way back... as he starts to show "orange" on his health bar the cleric places a reactive heal on him. The next four hits (lets assume all four mobs hit him in there next cylce) will heal him for upward of a 1000hps (for a 30+ cleric) in very little time and the cleric will then be able to apply another reactive whether it is the same one or stacking a new one with the time remaining on the old one. Now, for the druids "special" heals (HoT) if the tank suddenly takes a load of damage our regrowth does very, very little and we have to spam instant heals. It will not only take us more time to get the tank out of the hot zone but it will cost the druid more mana to do it. Any Priest can heal when the tank is being hit for moderate amounts of damage, the problem arises when you are required to deal with extra damage.

01-15-2005, 10:38 PM	#8
jfo Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 136	furies own. we're the best. if you love to roleplay, they're a tonne of fun. any of these doomsayers or complainers just don't do their job right, or group with really stupid people.

01-16-2005, 03:06 AM	#9
forsquil Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 30	I mentioned eq1 to show that I have played a healer before, I have been playing morgs about 5/6yrs now and I always pick a healer type cause it's something I enjoy playing so I think I know how to play a healer. I made a fury/druid type for a couple reasons one being I was told all priest classes would be able to handle main healer job unlike eq1. Sure we can heal as furies, but our heals are ALOT weakier then the other priests. I am lucky in that I have a strong guild so whenever I sign on I can find a full group and we hunt orange/reds and ussually in packs of mobs (I would not consider these people dumb or we simply wouldnt be able to successfully do alot of the zones/mobs we hunt) As a solo healer my heals can't keep up I have to cast too many instants and then I lose too much power (if you drop under 60 every battle then something is wrong its just not effiecent), now if i am grouped with a guild cleric or shaman thats not the case because I pretty much just use hots (heal over time) with occasnial instant heals as needed. The fury is a class thats needs some major adjusting in their heal line, and hopefully before we start getting people biased to use due to our healing ability. It can still be a fun class just don't expect to be main healer without losing way too much power. As a 2ndary healer I feel we really shine right now, but thats just my personal opinion. I am neither a doomsayer or complainer I am simply stating the facts as I experience it in game. I still enjoy playing a Fury or I wouldnt still be playing, lol, we just need some serious help on our heals peroid. __________________

01-16-2005, 06:40 AM	#10
Madroxci Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 38	I have no problems healing, i'm only a lvl 23 fury right now so that might play in to it i have no clue, i will find out later but right now if i'm a main healer in the group i'm the last to go oop. I dunno if that is just the way i play or good equipment decisions i don't know, being main healer in group i do just fine on power, got a 24 fury friend who goes oop a lot faster than me, i don't know if its because he doesn't keep up with the tank as much or what. I am sure it might be different at 30+ but so far i am doing fine. I love playing a fury i prefer it over a warden but that is just my opinion. We are mainly meant for support healing and everything but if you know your class and you have a tank that has a brain then you should not have any problems and yes fury's can main heal on higher mobs, if you are talking about a raid that would make no sense because you would always want a cleric with you for that but if attacking something reasonable to your group then you should be fine.

01-16-2005, 10:07 AM	#11
Twizz Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 169	forsquilis wrote: I mentioned eq1 to show that I have played a healer before, I have been playing morgs about 5/6yrs now and I always pick a healer type cause it's something I enjoy playing so I think I know how to play a healer. I made a fury/druid type for a couple reasons one being I was told all priest classes would be able to handle main healer job unlike eq1. Sure we can heal as furies, but our heals are ALOT weakier then the other priests. I am lucky in that I have a strong guild so whenever I sign on I can find a full group and we hunt orange/reds and ussually in packs of mobs (I would not consider these people dumb or we simply wouldnt be able to successfully do alot of the zones/mobs we hunt) As a solo healer my heals can't keep up I have to cast too many instants and then I lose too much power (if you drop under 60 every battle then something is wrong its just not effiecent), now if i am grouped with a guild cleric or shaman thats not the case because I pretty much just use hots (heal over time) with occasnial instant heals as needed. The fury is a class thats needs some major adjusting in their heal line, and hopefully before we start getting people biased to use due to our healing ability. It can still be a fun class just don't expect to be main healer without losing way too much power. As a 2ndary healer I feel we really shine right now, but thats just my personal opinion. I am neither a doomsayer or complainer I am simply stating the facts as I experience it in game. I still enjoy playing a Fury or I wouldnt still be playing, lol, we just need some serious help on our heals peroid. My point was that it's really hard to tell unless you have played all 3 healer classes to the same level and think you know them equally well, in THIS game. Nothing personal. I prefer playing a healer as well. I also seem to always pick less disired classes in every game I play (I haven't noticed this in EQ2 yet, I get tells for groups all the time). When I take over healing from a cleric type I don't see that much difference in power usage, and I use less power then shamans on plate tanks. The way they heal looks safer but not sure it really is hehe. Mentioning another game leads to alot of missconsumptions. Just look at every class board. You can still find alot of people saying Guardian Always = MT, Templar always = main healer and so on. Honestly the people who have been tanking the best in my groups are the knight classes, followed by berzerkers. I have a bit of bad luck with the guardians I group with lol, and have no experiance from grouping with the brawler sumbclasses at all. __________________ Akhorahil Gildarion Styrbjorn Murazor

01-16-2005, 02:18 PM	#12
kcirrot Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 898	forsquilis wrote: I mentioned eq1 to show that I have played a healer before, I have been playing morgs about 5/6yrs now and I always pick a healer type cause it's something I enjoy playing so I think I know how to play a healer. I made a fury/druid type for a couple reasons one being I was told all priest classes would be able to handle main healer job unlike eq1. Sure we can heal as furies, but our heals are ALOT weakier then the other priests. I am lucky in that I have a strong guild so whenever I sign on I can find a full group and we hunt orange/reds and ussually in packs of mobs (I would not consider these people dumb or we simply wouldnt be able to successfully do alot of the zones/mobs we hunt) As a solo healer my heals can't keep up I have to cast too many instants and then I lose too much power (if you drop under 60 every battle then something is wrong its just not effiecent), now if i am grouped with a guild cleric or shaman thats not the case because I pretty much just use hots (heal over time) with occasnial instant heals as needed. The fury is a class thats needs some major adjusting in their heal line, and hopefully before we start getting people biased to use due to our healing ability. It can still be a fun class just don't expect to be main healer without losing way too much power. As a 2ndary healer I feel we really shine right now, but thats just my personal opinion. I am neither a doomsayer or complainer I am simply stating the facts as I experience it in game. I still enjoy playing a Fury or I wouldnt still be playing, lol, we just need some serious help on our heals peroid. That's simply not true. The heals of all three priests are broken from the mid-20s on. Clerics cannot put out significantly more healing power than we can. If you are dropping under 60 power every battle then you are doing something wrong. I main heal regularly and always have decent power at the end of a battle. Only adds cause me to go under 25%. I'm level 25 now, but I've been the sole healer for pulls 5 levels above the tank. Use good drinks and your power will come back between pulls. Pick the traits that increase your power regen, keep Verdure on. Make sure you have decent gear at all times. Upgrade your spells. Any Fury who does all of that and still complains that they can't heal as well as a cleric doesn't know what they are doing.

01-16-2005, 08:59 PM	#13
Armol Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6	I stood at the crossroads of Fury .vs. Warden myself as we all did. What made my decision is I like mountain lions better than wolves and I also wanted to play a more offensive class but still be able to heal when necessary. I can main heal if needed, but my favorite role in groups is as a backup healer (keeping an eye out on the healer) while buffing the tank and debuffing and dot'ing the mobs. Plus swatting with the claws. In any group, I always recommend having an extra healer. I can be the main somewhat effectively, but for the most part, they do heal better and being secondary fits well with my play style. As for not getting invites by being a fury, it might happen for people who've never grouped with me before, but that will be overcome by learning and playing your class well. People who I've grouped with in the past always shout to me if they see me lfg. Your reputation is what'll make you.

01-16-2005, 09:22 PM	#14
Gertack_v2 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 256	Perhaps a slight change to our healing abilities would make them more useful: instead of being timer-based healing, it should have a number of charges and will heal in ticks whenever that person is not at 100% health. This way the spell can be applied before battle, can heal a person back to full, won't waste energy on a 100% health person, but is still limited by time. The cleric would still get their reactives faster for a lot of small hits but we would do better for fewer, heavier hits and both being even in most other regards.Gertack24 Fury

01-16-2005, 11:46 PM	#15
quetzaqotl Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,336	I always like to be in a group with two healers (no surprises shared aggro etc.) but if need be I a lvl 36 fury can solo heal a party taking on red double con nb's, just did in rivervale. It al depends on the group if I have a whizzie casting breeze on me and a good tank and good dps the [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] thing would've dropped dead in only a couple of mins so no prob here. And dont underestimate the solo power of the fury I think furies are one of the best classes for solo adventuring. __________________

01-17-2005, 03:49 AM	#16
FloydNakamic Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 57	All 3 preist archetypes CAN solo heal a full group, however after the late 20's none can do it efficiently. It becomes especially eveident in areas where you are almost guaranteed to get adds every other fight The main benefit of a fury is that we match extremely well with both shaman and cleric classes.

01-17-2005, 04:09 AM	#17
ren Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 409	We don't even match well with shamans in theory. Damage shields don't work at all with shamen -- not like they are very good anyways.

01-17-2005, 04:31 AM	#18
forsquil Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 30	kcirrot wrote: Use good drinks and your power will come back between pulls. Pick the traits that increase your power regen, keep Verdure on. Make sure you have decent gear at all times. Upgrade your spells. Any Fury who does all of that and still complains that they can't heal as well as a cleric doesn't know what they are doing. I do all of the above I use red drink, all my gear is orange to me, my heals are adept 1 or better ( every one ). The shaman I group with on a steady basis can stack two of his sheild heals which makes a huge difference compared to us not being able to stacks regens. All I want is our heals to be as effective as the other priests type I group with. I pay attention to my group and I notice the difference if I am the one main healing or the shaman/cleric is. No matter how good or bad of a player you are you are limited to the game mechianics of your spells. Solo the Fury class is just fine ( though out dots still need to be adjusted to stack ), and as a back of healer we are also fine. I dont know why this has turned into an attack on me. I made my post because the orginal poster asked about our healing ability so I told him my experience on the fury class with our heals. Message Edited by forsquilis on 01-16-2005 07:45 PM __________________

01-17-2005, 08:25 AM	#19
Medu Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 4	Hi everyone, 43 warden here. I can't say much about furies, but druids in general. For everyone saying "If you want to be main healer be a cleric" : What is wrong with you? So far all the tanks that I've been with tell me that I keep my mana longer than the other classes. I can be the solo healer on a level 50 ^^ group x2 mob with 4 ^ adds, at level 43 (with a 47 zerker tank). I don't know if this actually pertains to furies as well, but I am a great main healer, and all you cleric lovers can go shove it . :smileyhappy: no offence to the clerics, they are good people too. Just my input. Also , I'm a very lazy druid and don't even use any food or drink, and if I do , its my summoned drink. :smileytongue:

01-17-2005, 11:20 AM	#20
Gura Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 43	Hiya furies, visiting Mystic here... just browsing the other forums to see how my brother priests feel about their classes. Something I have personally noticed - All of the priests are complaining about their healing. I have heard some of my guildies and various group mates complain about the efficacy of their healing over time spells... Druids of course - both Fury and Warden. Also, check out the other priest forums.. everyone is complaining about something... justified or not. Just so you know how the Mystics work (and I would guess Defilers too) - we are having trouble keeping up with our specialized healing line too. Wards are taking more damage than naked characters, they aren't stopping all spell and combat art damage, they are now (since our big patch) all on the same timer, and only our first (and weakest) ward will stack with any other single target ward. Of course on the stacking issue.. there is not really a point to bothering to stack spectral ward with any of the higher wards. By the time the recast timer is up on the entire line.. any of the wards has already been expended and the tank has taken a nice lump of damage and now you must wait again before you can cast your ward. This point of view has been brought to you by a level 42 Mystic. :smileyhappy: It's hard.. but try not to compare your problems with the seeming success of the other priests. We aren't as effective as you think we are. I can heal a group solo.. barely. I understand that most priests share that problem. Let us face the fact that we lost equality and balance in healing the day they decided to completely change all of the priest spells immediately after they finished with beta. OH! Forgive my lapse... we are playing in beta. :smileyindifferent: Anyway, good luck with getting your problems corrected... wish the Shamans and Clerics the same. Maybe one day we will all feel better about our capabilities. (When the broken abilities are fixed and balance is restored.) :smileyhappy: BTW, shame on you Meduzz.. if you aren't using better drink than summoned stuff. Try buying some better drink.. you'll notice the difference in power regen. :smileytongue:

01-17-2005, 11:21 AM	#21
PKennyK Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 58	Hi everyone 33 Fury here.I did not play the first EQ but I am enjoying the second one every chance I get to play it. I don't know why some people say druids/furies can't heal or be main healer. I spend 90% of the time as main healer and I have no problems at all. All you have to do is get a good tank with dps to back up and it's cake xp.All my spells/heals are at least adept1 so that helps a little. I use bloom/regrowth/effloresce/wilding elixir as main heals. If tank gets slaughtered on first few hits I can heal instant 1100+ easy with more HoT's goin after. I use my debuffs to weaken monster and as they take affect the damage slows down ALOT. Then healing gets easy. Just use bloom/regrowth on tank and fleashweave on other dps that/if lose health. Also have +agi +str +ac +dam buffs that help the tank out. Pretty easy healing from there. Use some HoT's when I got super mana regen goin that add to ac and def and such.If wondering what dps is like, I recently grouped with an assn that had a program runnin that showed damage after a battle and I was doing 1000+ easy every fight(Note: there was another healer helpin, when I main heal/dps it went down sufficiently but was still ok 750+ damage). Reg hits of 10+(crappy weapon though ) and mauls/blessed weap of 75+. With good drink, mana regen/buffs it's fury heaven my .02Zhilena 33-Fury 22-Provisioner

01-17-2005, 12:38 PM	#22
ren Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 409	I'm just biding my time til ya all hit 50 and realize that it isn't roses =P You may think that Furies are good healers now, but we aren't. I'm sorry, but we aren't. It may also plague the other classes and I understand the shaman issue because they were also screwed by SoE taking out regens/etc as secondary heal lines last minute right as beta ended w/o actually testing if it would be viable. I am working with almost all AD3 and Master1 heals and I can't keep up and level 30-40 wardens have more pure healing potential by me by at least 2x and their heals are FAR more efficient. Seriously, if I heard a high level warden angry at their heals I would laugh in their face. Mostly on my server, though, all the wardens are laughing in mine as they drop 550/tick regens and 2k heals on people for 100ish mana while I struggle with a 855 heal for 234mp while mobs lay waste to casters with their 1-2k trip specials and other mobs take out the tanks,dps, and other healers with 3.5K barrages. The simple truth is that I have neither the mana nor the straight healing power capable of being a viable healer. And don't go slapping that "secondary healer" bs around either because that is a cosmetic title that means that you are useless and to just get you if nobody else is available.

01-17-2005, 02:15 PM	#23
Twizz Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 169	I see your points rensu, and think our heals are broken. What made me post in this thread in the first place was the "I know we can't heal cause I played a healer in other games". We can still heal fine at around 30, but I can see us getting weaker at higher levels since we don't get much upgrades to our heals. The heals broken, probebly more broken then some other classes' heals but people that say they heal worse then other classes in their low to mid 20s are doing something wrong. 22-28 or so is where we really shine. It still works at 32 but soon our lack of good subclass heals will give me trouble. A note about food and drink: Don't use red drink, use blue superior drink seems much better then red high drink. __________________ Akhorahil Gildarion Styrbjorn Murazor

01-17-2005, 09:54 PM	#24
Emeria Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6	Thanks again everyone for the replies... its nice to read various opinions. Its kinda sounding like Furies do great up til the 30-35 range. Whats funny is that my main has been a warlock, but because warlocks have some serious trouble after the 30's is one of the big reasons I started playing my healer more. "A priest... those are so necessary, surely they won't be broken in the same way", I thought I'm guessing (hoping) that we will still see many changes come to the game, and many spell upgrades. Heaven knows sorcerors need it.

01-19-2005, 03:15 AM	#25
darkshm Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 349	I'm loving my Fury and I have no problem keeping up with other healers. I'm also, of course, only level 24 (OK, I lied, 23.91). I'm hoping Rensu's made enough noise that by the time I hit the mid 30's or so (which I understand is when the real disparities really start becoming apparent) it'll be fixed. If not I s'pose I'll just make my monk my main char. sniffAnd honestly, would letting our DoTs stack be that awful? __________________ Senescent - 56 Erudite Fury (Exile officer) -Befallen Betwixt - 34 Dark Elf Defiler -Befallen

01-19-2005, 09:35 AM	#26
Faelia Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 97	Ignore the people who say Furies can not heal well, because we can. I'm level 47 now, and 9 times out of 10 I'm the solo healer in the group, and I do perfectly fine. The level 40 Training heal is doing 795 for me and still has 3 more levels left to grow, and our regens are very useful. People see the templars reactive heals and automatically assume that Furies can't possibly hope to keep up. They're wrong. Not only do we act perfectly well as the only healer in a group, but we get great buffs, very nice debuffs, dots, nukes, and (eventually) probably the best group invisibility spell in the game. Furies rock.

01-19-2005, 11:12 AM	#27
Emeria Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6	Thanks Faelia Yeah I've decided to go Fury afterall. Lots of folks had me worried, but then I realized most of the complaints come from the 30's range. I've talked to about 3 45-50 furies recently and they all say they do great, so yay! Fury for me... I don't have to turn into a goofy lil deer after all

01-19-2005, 11:17 AM	#28
ren Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 409	Well I am glad that someone enjoys the class =P Where do ya hunt, btw?

01-19-2005, 02:06 PM	#29
Twizz Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 169	Emeria26 wrote: Thanks Faelia Yeah I've decided to go Fury afterall. Lots of folks had me worried, but then I realized most of the complaints come from the 30's range. I've talked to about 3 45-50 furies recently and they all say they do great, so yay! Fury for me... I don't have to turn into a goofy lil deer after all I'm in the 30s and I don't complain about the class as a whole. I love playing a fury. What I want fixed is our higher level heals. A level 26 spell should be better then a level 12 spell. They are about equal right now at 32 (both adept 3). Only reason I use fleshweave is because it lasts longer. It should be a better heal or have a secundary effect to make it a viable option. If I had picked the level 20 heal I wouldn't even touch fleshweave in it's current state. __________________ Akhorahil Gildarion Styrbjorn Murazor

01-20-2005, 04:55 AM	#30
Faelia Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 97	rensu wrote: Well I am glad that someone enjoys the class =P Where do ya hunt, btw? Permafrost and Soluseks Eye mostly, if you were asking me.