Stupid lion form...

[Healinglight]

I am boycotting my lion form buff untill they give us a /showform command. The lion form is extremely limiting in the sense that... you look the same ALL the times. And you look rediculous jumping and swimming.

[osama]

I don't use lionform either, it doesn't feel right, but that's just me.Badger form is cool though, although it doesn't do anything. I sometimes cast the lion on others and myself, but it is mostly for amusement.

[FumoFu]

what about the stats bonus's? power/health/ac ... plus maul which does go quite abit

[Perilous Wi]

I agree with you that being forced in to this form is very frustrating.

 

While it is a nice thought to protest in this way, since no dev has ever bothered to assist us any of our other multitudes of even more important situations up to this point [broken spells crucial to our class for starters],  it is highly unlikely that they will bat an eye in your direction.  It will do nothing but hinder yourself and your enjoyment of the game. 

 

Lionform provides imperative bonuses that relate directly to our inability to wear anything beyond light armor.   Unfortunately, there are no other spells that even come close to an alternative that we can use in lieu of lionform. 

 

 

LIONFORM BUFFS AT LEVEL 28

 

HEALTH     +107

POWER    +84

AC             +193

WIS           +4

 

 

 

[Criteri]

I like the lion form, they need to fix some thinks with it though, like being able to sit down, wolfs and bears can but we can't.

[Stinks_at_This]

I never leave Lion form, the bonuses make is so much eaiser to solo and when in a group your less of a liabilty as you heal cause mobs hit you for less, I forget what my char looks like unless I die.

[Tige]

Hmmm, funny about the lion form. Today when I was in the Tradeskill looking at the Broker, I saw a Male Lion form. I looked at the Toon to see if this was an Illusionist or a Fury. To my surprise, it was a Fury as it said. This is the only Male Lion I have seen so far as all the other Fury's I have seen were Female characters.

 

 

[MsIr]

Man, the way some people approach this lion form graphic issue cracks me up.  People threatening to leave or never play that character or stop using the lion buff like it's some fricken greek tragedy.  I for one like the lion form.  It's not perfect and it's not what I would have expected at level 20, but I have grown attached to it.  If  you don't like the lion form, don't use it.  No one is forcing you to.  As far as I'm concerned it doesn't define the fury class.  I don't consider it a broken spell either.

 

Actually, while on that subject, I really don't see what everyone complains about with our spells so broken that they hinder our class.  I heal fine at 32 with no problems and rarely run out of power.  My debuffs significantly lower damage to the MT.  I can out damage all similar level characters if I want to (proven several times with parser).  I can solo ^^ green, two ^ blues, and up to  4 grouped greens most of the time.  I can solo 'solo' mobs as much as 10 levels higher (if I want to deal with resists).  And since I don't have to upgrade my spells (since our lower ones are so powerful), I have plenty of money to keep all my equipment orange.  We can rez in or out of combat.  We run fast.  We can fight under water.  The versatility of the fury is insane.

 

By saying this, I am not trying to brag.  I will be the first to admit that I am not the best player in the world, so I'm sure others out there do much better than I do.  What I am saying is even though some of our spells suck or are broken, we are still a very sought after and enjoyable class.  I rarely sit 15 minutes /lfg.  It's all how you look at it really.  I could easily dwell on what's broken with our class, but I would rather focus on what works so I can enjoy the game.  After all, it is a game.

 

I do wish they would shrink the badger though.  It looks like I am trying to hump mobs when I attack from behind.

 

/flameshield on

 

MsIree

[Perilous Wi]

 

 

It's good that you are having such success and enjoyment with the Fury class.   It's nice to hear.  

That doesn't negate the fact, however that there are still several key issues with the class that require attendance [which we thus far have been passed over for things like "the color of monk/brawler/rogue armor"].  

 

We all enjoy the class.  We all know the Fury class can be so much more enjoyable if only they would attend to the multitude of issues concerning this class.  It is all the more reason to keep up on the Devs to at least provide us all that the class is supposed to have, namely fixed spells.  Fixing the broken animations would be nice too, but spells are far more important at this point. 

 

 

It is a game. A game that we are paying for, while trying to retain the 'patience to fun' ratio,  despite there being many things wrong with it. 

 

 

 

 

 

Message Edited by Perilous Wish on 01-10-2005 01:18 AM

[Katx]

And how does "boycotting" lion form hurt anyone but yourself... ?  Why is anyone (read: developers) going to give a hoot if you do so?

 

I'm not sure exactly what you hope to accomplish by doing this.

[jfo]

if they changed alot of things, we'd be seriously overpowered and they'd have to go an rebalance everyone else's character. i can combat heal and lay damage on red double up in a group of four or more and i'm often having to bail out the main tank when the templar's heal just can't keep up with damage being done. we're probably the most versatile class in the game and what we bring to any group just can't be matched by a single archetype out there.the lion is also cool looking. i don't really care if i can't sit, or i look kinda funny when i jump. with a nice maul and hammerwind's going, i can hit for about 100+ per round. that's not even taking into account other damage spells, which follow up right after. all told, in combat, we can hit for close to 300 points of damage in five seconds... i'd like to see another 'healer' class keep up with those numbers. at level 21, it's rare to see most of the tank classes keep up too.

[Bad_Mojo]

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MsIree wrote:

Man, the way some people approach this lion form graphic issue cracks me up.  People threatening to leave or never play that character or stop using the lion buff like it's some fricken greek tragedy.  I for one like the lion form.  It's not perfect and it's not what I would have expected at level 20, but I have grown attached to it.  If  you don't like the lion form, don't use it.  No one is forcing you to.  As far as I'm concerned it doesn't define the fury class.  I don't consider it a broken spell either.

 

All they want is customer service.  Something to look foreward too - Don't be so bitter.

 

Actually, while on that subject, I really don't see what everyone complains about with our spells so broken that they hinder our class.  I heal fine at 32 with no problems and rarely run out of power.  My debuffs significantly lower damage to the MT.  I can out damage all similar level characters if I want to (proven several times with parser).  I can solo ^^ green, two ^ blues, and up to  4 grouped greens most of the time.  I can solo 'solo' mobs as much as 10 levels higher (if I want to deal with resists).  And since I don't have to upgrade my spells (since our lower ones are so powerful), I have plenty of money to keep all my equipment orange.  We can rez in or out of combat.  We run fast.  We can fight under water.  The versatility of the fury is insane.

 

And yet we have the fortune of having one of the few 50's in the forums that regularly posts comments on the class, and he posted a book in the 'abilities' board about our many broken spells.  You may just not see it because you are assuming your spells work as advertised, Rensu's parsing shows they do not.

 

By saying this, I am not trying to brag.  I will be the first to admit that I am not the best player in the world, so I'm sure others out there do much better than I do.  What I am saying is even though some of our spells suck or are broken, we are still a very sought after and enjoyable class.  I rarely sit 15 minutes /lfg.  It's all how you look at it really.  I could easily dwell on what's broken with our class, but I would rather focus on what works so I can enjoy the game.  After all, it is a game.

 

So what you are saying then is that we should just hush up our spells that suck or are broken, and not try to get them fixed?  I don't think many will agree with you there.  *shrug*

 

I do wish they would shrink the badger though.  It looks like I am trying to hump mobs when I attack from behind.

 

And of course you are not using badger form to cover up the lion form, correct? 

 

/flameshield on

 

No flames, everyone is entitled to their opinions, just as everyone is entitled to make up their own minds about what is important and what is not.  I noticed a certain someone posted a topic about female characters going bald when using the petrified high elf eye.  You obviously felt it was important enough to address, and many would feel this is a bigger issue... Let them have it.

 

MsIree

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[Bad_Mojo]

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jfood wrote:
if they changed alot of things, we'd be seriously overpowered and they'd have to go an rebalance everyone else's character. i can combat heal and lay damage on red double up in a group of four or more and i'm often having to bail out the main tank when the templar's heal just can't keep up with damage being done. we're probably the most versatile class in the game and what we bring to any group just can't be matched by a single archetype out there.

the lion is also cool looking. i don't really care if i can't sit, or i look kinda funny when i jump. with a nice maul and hammerwind's going, i can hit for about 100+ per round. that's not even taking into account other damage spells, which follow up right after. all told, in combat, we can hit for close to 300 points of damage in five seconds... i'd like to see another 'healer' class keep up with those numbers. at level 21, it's rare to see most of the tank classes keep up too.

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At level 21, you aren't at a point where you are seeing any Fury problems yet, you only have 2 Fury levels after all.  I'm also not sure what your definition of a 'round' is, but if it is what I'm thinking, you aren't hitting for 100 damage between hammerwind and maul either

[jfo]

in the space of a second, 45+ from the maul, plus 14 from the hits plus 40 from hammerwind... sounds like close to a hundred for me. sometimes 45 from the maul comes up twice... putting it at around 135 in the space of a second. keen!

[Bad_Mojo]

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jfood wrote:

in the space of a second, 45+ from the maul, plus 14 from the hits plus 40 from hammerwind... sounds like close to a hundred for me. sometimes 45 from the maul comes up twice... putting it at around 135 in the space of a second. keen!

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Ahh, you didn't say you were adding hits   What are your spell levels at?

[jfo]

i would assume you'd realize that you have to be hitting something in order to maul it... you can't really do one without the other. hammerwind comes at the level i got it at. chill is adept1 and it usually hits for between 80-100 tagged along with samelika's smite at around 60 points, i do a lot of damage.

 

i'm close to having access to lightning strike and whirlwind... so i don't see any fury problems for the next ten levels either, provided i keep my spells up to date... and i usually find the books while adventuring

 

[Bad_Mojo]

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jfood wrote:

i would assume you'd realize that you have to be hitting something in order to maul it... you can't really do one without the other. hammerwind comes at the level i got it at. chill is adept1 and it usually hits for between 80-100 tagged along with samelika's smite at around 60 points, i do a lot of damage.

 

i'm close to having access to lightning strike and whirlwind... so i don't see any fury problems for the next ten levels either, provided i keep my spells up to date... and i usually find the books while adventuring

 

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The way you worded it, it sounded as if you were talking about straight maul + hammerwind numbers... Hence the fact I said that we may have differing ideas about 'rounds' and didn't just jump out and call you wrong   I fully understand where you are coming from now.  Strike of Thunder will replace chill, and you only have a few more levels to go - At adept 1 it does @ 200 damage or so... So you won't have to wait 10 levels

[jfo]

maul and hammerwind do sneak up over a hundred from time to time by themselves... it's rare but it's nice.

[Bad_Mojo]

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jfood wrote:

maul and hammerwind do sneak up over a hundred from time to time by themselves... it's rare but it's nice.

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That's gets better later on, even my lowly Stinging Swarm never totals less than 100 damage now (average of @ 33 a tick or so)... Hammerwinds is doing @ 38 a tick, so somewhere around 150'ish?  Though honestly, I wish I had taken the new regrowth instead of hammerwinds for the extra healing boost.  And I've seen maul go completely nuts with 7+ straight hits in a row - Good stuff, I almost fell out of my chair

[jfo]

i play on d'lere, so most of the really hard to come by stuff i've been given through friends. i've only had to buy two pieces of armour through the broker, a pair of pristine boiled leather bracers and boots. i'd imagine as we move into harder territory they'll want their fury locked and fully loaded.

[Bad_Mojo]

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jfood wrote:

i play on d'lere, so most of the really hard to come by stuff i've been given through friends. i've only had to buy two pieces of armour through the broker, a pair of pristine boiled leather bracers and boots. i'd imagine as we move into harder territory they'll want their fury locked and fully loaded.

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I play on D'Lere as well   Have you thought about doing the Armor Quest?  You are at the right level to crank out the first few parts, get those friends together and upgrade your gear!  The first few quests (there are 6 parts) are probably doable in one playing session, and the stats on the stuff is pretty good.

[jfo]

i did the first one with a friend last night, well, finished it up actually. i started the second part with a monk but the two of us were having a hard time getting the plaguebearers to spawn... until they double popped with a named. one helluva fight that was. we just couldn't keep the mobs dead long enough to keep'em coming so we gave up after an hour or so. i think i've got about twelve or so left and the blightfangs as well.

 

i'll probably just give my current gear to a youngin' when i'm done with the quests.

 

my character's name is Talhia Macneil, if you see me say hello 

 

and once more, with feeling... the lion form owns.

[Bad_Mojo]

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jfood wrote:

i did the first one with a friend last night, well, finished it up actually. i started the second part with a monk but the two of us were having a hard time getting the plaguebearers to spawn... until they double popped with a named. one helluva fight that was. we just couldn't keep the mobs dead long enough to keep'em coming so we gave up after an hour or so. i think i've got about twelve or so left and the blightfangs as well.

 

i'll probably just give my current gear to a youngin' when i'm done with the quests.

 

my character's name is Talhia Macneil, if you see me say hello 

 

and once more, with feeling... the lion form owns.

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Count yourselves lucky, when we did the plagubearers we got the named as well, and she was bugged to not use power for her spells.  Throw in that she's a healer and the fight lasted well over 10 solid minutes with 5 of us beating on her... and she was still chain healing herself green and nuking at will.  Us Furies were even backing out and taking turns resting up.  We eventually had to break and run

I'll look for ya online!

[jfo]

i had a giant burrower freeze nuking me in the snye last week. one bad-[expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] little snake.

[MsIr]

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Bad_Mojo wrote:

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All they want is customer service.  Something to look foreward too - Don't be so bitter.

 

Erm, didn't really consider my post bitter.  /shrug

 

And yet we have the fortune of having one of the few 50's in the forums that regularly posts comments on the class, and he posted a book in the 'abilities' board about our many broken spells.  You may just not see it because you are assuming your spells work as advertised, Rensu's parsing shows they do not.

 

I have great respect for Rensu's posts because of his level.  If he says they are broken, then who am I to say otherwise.  That was not my intention with this post.  Only to remind people that while our class has several issues that need to be resolved, our class is not "broken" as some would suggest.  By all means, post any issues with the class.  The only reason I haven't is because they have all been addressed multiple times by various people on this forum.  I guess I just saw one too many people threatening because of a minor issue such as the way our lion runs.  I would much rather them fix all the broken quests before cosmetic issues are addressed.

 

So what you are saying then is that we should just hush up our spells that suck or are broken, and not try to get them fixed?  I don't think many will agree with you there.  *shrug*

 

Again, not my suggestion at all.  See above.

 

And of course you are not using badger form to cover up the lion form, correct? 

 

Oh, thanks for playing, we have some lovely parting gifts for you!  :smileyvery-happy:  I play the badger for three reasons:

 

1.  My son likes it.

2.  I like the reaction I get when people see it for the first time.

3.  Most furies don't use it.

 

No flames, everyone is entitled to their opinions, just as everyone is entitled to make up their own minds about what is important and what is not.  I noticed a certain someone posted a topic about female characters going bald when using the petrified high elf eye.  You obviously felt it was important enough to address, and many would feel this is a bigger issue... Let them have it.

 

Touche.  But you will notice my post about the eye was not 'That's it, I'm leaving I swear!'  More of a question to see if it was happening to anyone else.  Thankfully Sony took care of my concerns by making them consume bones :smileywink:

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Overall, I appreciate the tone of your post and gave you 5 stars for it.  I wish everyone on here could discuss issues logically without letting emotions cloud their perception.  I hope everyone continues to post issues with our class in a manner that will get them fixed, and leave the threats at home.  Since I can't stop the posters who threaten, I will have to join them.  IF THE THREAT POSTS DON'T STOP, I'M LEAVING FOR WOW!  I SWEAR!:smileysurprised:

 

MsIree

[Bad_Mojo]

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MsIree wrote:

Overall, I appreciate the tone of your post and gave you 5 stars for it.  I wish everyone on here could discuss issues logically without letting emotions cloud their perception.  I hope everyone continues to post issues with our class in a manner that will get them fixed, and leave the threats at home.  Since I can't stop the posters who threaten, I will have to join them.  IF THE THREAT POSTS DON'T STOP, I'M LEAVING FOR WOW!  I SWEAR!:smileysurprised:

 

MsIree

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Whew!  You know, on a reread of my post, I was thinking "ooh, I hope she doesn't take that the wrong way!" and "Ack, I might could have reworded that better!" - I didn't have time to edit it, but I've seen some of your previous posts and banked on you being mature enough to not take offense where none was meant... I'm glad I was right

But back on topic... My personal biggest pet peeve about the forums is something closely related to what you talk about in your post. A complete lack of developer feedback in the class specific forums, it's the biggest contributor to having repetitive, overly redundant threads.  I agree that certain issues get a lot of regurgitation, but if a Dev stepped in here just one time and said "Hey, we know and we decided to do this..." or "We hear ya, and we are going to look at it" - Then whether that news was good or bad, the posts related to it woudl be cut in half, if not more.  The Paladin/SK horse issue used to be brought up in a dozen new threads a day, once a Dev posted, they dropped to one ongoing thread with the occasional new one that never goes far.  I see issues all the time where I think "Sheesh, again? give it a rest already!" - But then I realize that they only really want an answer, and since there are issues that I find important (and wouldn't mind a little Dev love on them myself) I can't really begrudge them for trying... Maybe someday we'll get some more Dev's on the forums and get some answers

[virgofool]

Yeah, the lion form isn't ideal, but why [Removed for Content] yourself out of the stats bonuses. With PP adept 1 and Willowskin Adept III, I'm more of a "tank" than most tanks I encounter. If you have a killer tank, then you can go without lion form with confidence and use the extra concentration on another Vigor or something. I err on the side of caution and assume I'm gonna get whacked on...lion form is MUCH better in this situation. If you're steadfast, that's fine, but your parties are bound to be frustrated when you keep getting slaughtered left and right because you don't like the way your character looks.

[darkshm]

I actually do like the lion form, although I really wish we could sit, and tailor at least the coloring a bit.Nonetheless plenty of people don't like it, which is a huge argument IMO for some sort of /showform option.

[3cho]

I like the Lion form as well.  While it's not as dynamic as the Bear or the Wolf, it's somewhat unique (at least on Lucan D'Lere) as there are not many Fury's to begin with.  The stat bonuses (IMO) are well worth the "stiffness" of the lion model, and i would happily continue to stay a lion throughout the remainder of the game (though, don't get me wrong, I'm not telling anyone to suck it up and deal).  As a Fury, my objective in life is to be one with nature, both it's companion and it's servant.  Taking a natural form is the most logical extension of that goal.  On a role playing server (like Lucan D'Lere), it can be used to strike up some pretty interesting conversations

[Healinglight]

Whenever my group asks me "Why arn't you in lion form?" I always answer: "I think its more beneficial for my group by using my extra concentration on vigor."

 

Works like a charm every time. Still waiting for them to fix our silly looking lion form :smileysad: