regrowth adep 3 vs Fleshweave adept 3

[FloydNakamic]

Anyone have numbers on this as far as where each will cap out?  I have heard that regrowth adept 3 does 118 a tick at it's cap - anyone see or hear about fleshweave?  I have the materials to get 1 (or both) of these spells made but would prefer to use one of the rares for something else - like bloom.

[TimboSilvermi]

FWIW, my App1 Fleshweave is improving slightly every time I level, without me having done a thing to it.  Would be interested to know how these two stack up at different levels of the caster as well as levels of the spell itself.

[deore]

I'm interested too. Especially since I've read rensu say this, in another thread: "Fleshweave Ap2 => 84/tick heal"So if Regrowth App3 caps at 89 and Fleshweave App2 caps at 84, Fleshweave App3 must cap close or higher than Regrowth.I'd be curious to see the numbers from someone for whom fleshweave is near cap and has fleshweave app3 or higher.So, noone has actually compared an app3 capped fleshweave with an app3 capped regrowth?Regrowth:89 app3101 adept1118 adept3Is it not reasonable to think that if Fleshweave app2 does 84 that at app3 it would heal for more than 89? And then more than 101 at adept1, more than 118 at adept3. That would make it better than regrowth and, beside pure healing, it slightly increase the ally's damage potential(taken from description). It also lasts 50% longer than regrowth. This would make fleshweave much better than regrowth, when it's capped(not as soon as you get it but at later levels).I have 2 jaspers, at the moment, and I'm seriously considering making fleshweave and savagery my adept3s. Feral intimidation would be third on my list, as soon as I can afford another jasper. Or maybe feral intimidation now since I won't be using fleshweave for a few more levels and then fleshweave with a 3rd rare, later...

[ren]

Got AP3 Fleshweave for kicks... it does 92/tick for 103mp.  Notice how the ratio gets better and better as you upgrade.

 

So for ratio sake its 920/103=8.93 in 30 seconds

vs

708/62=11.41 in 18 seconds

 

or~

1840hp/min for 206mp

vs

2360hp/min for 207mp

 

 

But again, that is pitting AP3 vs AD3

 

 

If anyone is willing to dump a pallad or jasper on FW AD3, I would be interested to hear the results.  I imagine that it would have more healing power overall but worse ratio.

 

Like my WB AP2 is 124/tick for 1240 at 150mp so it looks like this to me:

2480hp/min for 300mp (8.3hp/mp)

vs

2360hp/min for 207 (11.4hp/mp)

 

Clearly, Regrowth Adept3 is still better in this case, unless you count the secondary effect (which I do not).

Reasons why?

Parsing without Wild Bloodflow on (totally unbuffed -- using Ebon Scimtar for non-procing weapon):

1)13.29dps

2)12.63dps

3)12.79dps

AVG=12.90

Unbuffed, keeping Wild Bloodflow up:

1)10.57dps

2)13.14dps

3)12.23dps

AVG=11.98

Unbuffed, 30s of WB, rest nothing:

1)11.97

2)13.55

3)12.75

AVG=12.76

 

Anything over 11dps is because I riposte on these guys for like 60 damage and it boosts up the dps, heh.

 

Much like my Ferocity of the Eel Master1 vs totally unbuffed and Conc buff vs unbuffed parse tests... all this secondary stuff or "DPS increasing!"TM buffs are broken.  Also, I'm still looking for the contents of my shared bank if anyone has seen that -- GMs say that I never had one and all of the contents (many of them rewards from quests!) I never even possessed... I guess it has just been eaten by the shared bank cookie monster.

Message Edited by rensu on 12-28-2004 11:13 PM

[Mjk_cz]

Heh GOod then i am sticking to adept3 regrowp.s. Rensu, what skills you have on master level?

Message Edited by Mjk_cz on 12-29-2004 12:14 AM

[ren]

Master1:

Ferocity of the Eel

Bloom

Effloresce

Transcendant Predator

Owl's Restoration

Fae Flames

[Mjk_cz]

Fae flames? OMG that one rules, right?

[ren]

220-280ish dmg when it goes off, but it doesn't really do that much damage overall.

Parsed, Fae Flames it is ~5-7% of a melee's dmg, and about 10-15% of my damage.

By comparison, Bloodlust AP2 is about 8-10% of a melee's damage, and ~6% of mine (because Bloodlusted Wounds does less damage for me for some reason -- melees do a lot of damage with it, but I do about half of what they do).

 

So its nice, but not TOO nice.  Actually, of all of those, Transcedent Predator is probably the nicest.  It gives me dual 74 procs (crush/slash) which go off all of the time.  Parsed, Maul makes about 20-40% of my damage.

 

With just pure melee (no nukes/dots) I am ~50dps vs a ranger ~70dps (using skills) on the writ mobs that I duo (which are grey =X)  He does tank a bit and we mass pull, but I've parsed just about every fight I've done and I stay pretty darn close to melee types for a priest...

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[FloydNakamic]

So, at 81 mana how much does fleshweave adept 3 heal per tick (maxed out)?

[Eyda]

regrowth adept 3,           118

fleshweave adept 3        117

bloom adept 3                 247 32 regen

efflorance adept 3           512

 

 

[deore]

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Eydarr wrote:

regrowth adept 3, 118

fleshweave adept 3 117

bloom adept 3 247 32 regen

efflorance adept 3 512

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What level are you? The numbers don't mean much if the spells aren't capped for you.I think Fleshweave would cap around level 36-37, judging from the 'Mastery' skill level.

[TimboSilvermi]

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deore wrote:

What level are you? The numbers don't mean much if the spells aren't capped for you.

I think Fleshweave would cap around level 36-37, judging from the 'Mastery' skill level.

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Exactly!  I'd love to see a true side-by-side comparison so we know whether Fleshweave is truly broken or not.  Until we compare apples to apples we won't know.

 

[RedDragon]

"regrowth adept 3, 118fleshweave adept 3 117bloom adept 3 247 32 regenefflorance adept 3 512"what level are you, what Wis do you have?

[ren]

It's 103 power:

 

Proof: http://www.unknown-insanity.com/uploader/userfiles/wiesz/EQ2_000079.jpg

[FloydNakamic]

I think he is sayiong fleshweave ADEPT 3 costs 81 power.

[ren]

He said in his post up there that "app 3 fleshweave delves 88 power" and for me to check my ratios again.  I'm saying that mine isn't 88 power, its 103, like I originally posted.

 

Quote:

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You are going to want to recheck your ratios....app 3 fleshweave delves at 88 mana not 103....that changes everything...thats almost 14% difference in mana efficiency...based on the other data provided I'm 99% certain that adept 3 fleshweave will heal for a greater amount than adept 3 regrowth. master level regrowth vs adept 3 fleshweave is a different story.

 

Basically FW at app 3 = 920/88 = 10.45

 

lets just for arguments sake say adept 3 is minimum 120 per tick:

 

1200/88 = 13.64 ....and this isnt including the side benefits.

 

I'll be upgrading tomorrow =p

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Message Edited by rensu on 12-29-2004 10:25 AM

[FloydNakamic]

yeah I guess he did kind of call you out about the app3 version - then he talks about adept 3 further in the post.  I'm more confused now.  To get back to the original question is ADEPT 3 FW better than ADEPT 3 Regrowth when both are maxed out.  That really was the original intention of this post.  Thanks.

[Flagrant]

He is me....

 

I know I'm going to get flamed now but I swear on my life fleshweave delved at 88 when I had app 3, then at 81 when i upgraded it....I have since moved it to my hotbar now it delves at 96.

 

I wish i took screenshots.

 

 

[Maizey3]

I'll have the numbers for Fleshweave Adept 3 in a few days.  I just want to make it myself and need to level up my Sage a bit.

[Neko]

Rensu,

 

If the healing spells are so weak, how does the solo furies survive?   If mobs ordinary melee are out damaging their heal spells?

[ren]

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Neko wrote:

Rensu,

 

If the healing spells are so weak, how does the solo furies survive?   If mobs ordinary melee are out damaging their heal spells?

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Solo mobs are weak and will rarely hit you or hit you for much damage.  Healing/mitigation is tuned for this.  The problem arises when you are fighting ++ mobs and groups of mobs.

 

Also, I will be getting Adept4 Wild Bloodflow as soon as the "Big Patch" goes through and I will post the results of that.  I expect that it will make me have some more faith in my healing capabilities.  At least, I hope so after all I have spent on rhodium so far =x.

Message Edited by rensu on 12-29-2004 06:41 PM

[Neko]

So Fewer ^^green hunting for the soloist because of this issue?

 

[ren]

You can solo green++'s?  I can't w/o "exploiting" =P  And, even then, it takes me forever.

 

 

But again, Furies are really fairly strong, but this game definitely isn't tuned to AP3.  I can't really see myself as anything less than gimped without Adept3s (and 4s after patch).

[Neko]

I used to be able to solo Green^^ solo mobs (before lv24). 

 

Adept4's?  How are they going to be obtained?  Player? Raid? Quest?

[Edmund]

At level 26 i solo green ^^, without any problems. Usally at 100% hp / 20-40% power after fight. I have however updated a few of my spells to adept 3.

[Neko]

What healing spells have you upped to ad3?

[ren]

level 44+ ^^ mobs do chain skills for 800-1500 damage though.  And some can string like 2-3 and then do an HO on you.  It's not something that is feasibly soloable.

[Edmund]

Regrowth, Bloom and Efflorences, in that order. I hardly have to use any other heals than regrowth though when soloing, perhaps a few bloom until mobs power at 0. Make sure you got good food, its a must have and doesnt cost much.