Protective Grove

[Attryn]

Is it worth upgrading the tree to Adept 3?  Roughly how much does it heal for?  Does an AD3 tree survive longer than an AD1 tree?

[Kanyena]

I love this tree. My only problem with it is one thing. IT IS HUGE. Way too big to have in a raid. We need a tiny little cute druid type tree. About the size of a very small gnome ( oh did I say gnome?).I would upgrade this tree, even with it being so large. It does not have a huge radius so for it to be really useful it needs to be smaller. Maybe like a baby treant.When my guild raids at a full raid, the tanks whine about the size of the tree. The gnomes in the guild swing in it like wee monkeys, and the rats run around in the branches.Seriously, I hope SoE ( I know, they haven't even managed the advanced carpenter books tier 6) would consider making this tree smaller.

[Kainet]

Definatly Upgrade it. You'll generally find yourself responsible for keeping the other healers alive also. That tree helps immensely.

[Arielle Nightshade]

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Kanyena wrote:I love this tree. My only problem with it is one thing. IT IS HUGE. Way too big to have in a raid. We need a tiny little cute druid type tree. About the size of a very small gnome ( oh did I say gnome?).I would upgrade this tree, even with it being so large. It does not have a huge radius so for it to be really useful it needs to be smaller. Maybe like a baby treant.When my guild raids at a full raid, the tanks whine about the size of the tree. The gnomes in the guild swing in it like wee monkeys, and the rats run around in the branches.Seriously, I hope SoE ( I know, they haven't even managed the advanced carpenter books tier 6) would consider making this tree smaller.

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IMO, your tanks and Raid members should be THANKFUL it's only one!!  By definition 'Grove' is: 

1. A small wood or stand of trees..... lacking dense undergrowth.

They think one is bad...SoE devs could have taken the spell name literally and you wouldn't be able to see the Raid for the Trees!  

Protecting Fruit Tree..hm..Protecting Rose Bush..meh.......just don't have the same 'ring' to it.   And they should also be thankful that you have the tree to keep the gnomes occupied during wait times - otherwise they'd all be bouncing around and getting into trouble bigger than usual.

P.S.  I vote for 'upgrade' as well.  (Although we are a visual cornucopia during battle...bottom line is, deal with it or we'll take our trees and wolves, and owlbears and fairies..and go home   )

Message Edited by Arielle Nightshade on 01-29-200607:16 PM

[Dragonreal]

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Attrynex wrote:

Is it worth upgrading the tree to Adept 3?  Roughly how much does it heal for?  Does an AD3 tree survive longer than an AD1 tree?

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ad3 stats are roughly 180ish to 220ish per tick (ticks are every 3s), and even at m1 the tree still dies in one hit heh And if you're curious, m1 heals for about 208-247 (those are the lowest and highest numbers I can remember seeing from it).  Also, for the person who asid it has a small range, that was fixed a bit ago; the range for it now si slightly shorter than max heal range (ie get to max heal range, take a few steps forward, tree heals will reach your target).

[kevinlunt]

if its too big.. why not cast form of owelbear on it? =P

[Drewdar]

I would upgrade it. If memory serves it was healing for an average of about 160 a tick at adept 1. At adept 3 it averages closer to 200 a tick. Well worth the upgrade.

[Golembes]

Hahhaa, I never though about casting form of owlbear on it.  I will have to try that.

 

Placing that tree during a raid is seriously an art form.

[Nebbeny]

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Arielle Nightshade wrote:

P.S.  I vote for 'upgrade' as well.  (Although we are a visual cornucopia during battle...bottom line is, deal with it or we'll take our trees and wolves, and owlbears and fairies..and go home   )

 

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LOL, well done remembering owlbears and fairies, dont forget bee's though!  and yeah i agree with upgrading, it helps you be lazy if nothing else, especially when soloing.  And hmm, i think i'll try casting owlbear illusion on it, if one of you can give feedback on that before i manage to get home, that would be nice

[Delta G]

A quick question, how does the tree healing work with Agro. Do you cast the tree before the Tank pulls a mob? What if it's a group of mobs, and the tank has not established aggro on the entier group, do mobs go after the tree, or you?

Thanks,

-Crassis

[Dragonreal]

Owlbear illusion on the tree works great if ppl are complaining about it; I've yet to have anyone complain about the bear.

As for aggro, the tree generates its own aggro so if tank has no aggro on pull it's slightly possible things will go after the tree, but I've never had it happen on pull; only time I've had something start attacking tree was when soloing a grp of mobs and 1 would sometimes turn around and smack down the tree.

[Unmask]

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Dragonrealms wrote:

Owlbear illusion on the tree works great if ppl are complaining about it; I've yet to have anyone complain about the bear.

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My guildies complain about it all the time, but that's what I cast it on them.  The real problem is when a necro turns it into a skellie.

[Wabit]

i love the tree in a raid if i'm not MT, its great for recovering from an AE...  if they would just make it so when i tab it wouldn't  get targeted...

[Kyralis]

The tree can parse out to a surprising amount of healing on the MT over the course of the fight. Once a couple parses revealed that, I've been using it all the time now. Those ticks for 200 add up.

[Kanyena]

OK, THIS IS A PROBLEM.When I am raiding I am too busy to take the time to cast owlbear on this. That is just another step I do not need to have while healing in a raid. The tree needs to be smaller. I see no reason to have it so large that it is in the way or that it has to be "an artform" to cast it in a raid. Come on SoE. Lets fix this.Don't give us something that is so useful and make it so big it becomes a problem instead of a tool.Casting another spell to make this smaller is NOT a solution to the problem, it is a temporary fix to something that needs to be addressed.

[Unmask]

Cast it behind you.  You can turn around without interrupting your casting.

[Kyralis]

I have to say, I've never had a problem with the tree's size or positioning on a raid. Just be a bit careful of where you place it... from an AE standpoint, you're probably well away from the tank anyway, so hopefully you're dropping it right in the middle of a whole group of people.

[Dragonreal]

Agree with Caer, I honestly haven't had any problems with this either really (a very few after the intial funny factor of a huge-[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] tree popping up out of nowhere at random points on a raid wore off), especially since they fixed its range; ever since the range fix I've been basically casting it where the healers are all bunched up together and the few unfortunate times it's been landed on someone's head, I usually got "lol np" as a response when I said sorry for the bad placement heh

 

And the owlbear suggestion was just that: a suggestion that's worked for a few people on here it seems (me personally, I'd rather use a workaround if it's needed than get a graphics change to it because I honestly like the graphic). I've never had someone die on a raid because I cast owlbear on it or cuz the fury took it into his own hands to cast their rusty chicken spell on it either... you know since if you're going to do something like that you should do it when you don't need to chain-heal, or in some place like pp:R don't do it at all and tell the raid to deal with it because they would be asinine to tell you not to use a healing a spell as a healer especially when it's a group heal and a pretty cheap one mana-wise if you look at it as you paying 14 power to heal the whole grp for 200-250 (m1) every time it ticks. For a little added perspective: minor healing, the lowest level healing spell we currently get, costs 17 power and heals something like 80-100ish at ad1 I think (I only have app3, but I've had a few other chars that got adept of it) on a single target, so for less power than our lowest level heal spell we heal an entire group for about twice the amount.

Message Edited by Dragonrealms on 02-01-200603:49 PM

[Nexiia]

hehe the Dps folks in my guild hate this tree with a passion, since it gets all in their way and such.therefore, being the caring person i am, I run up to them and plant it on them  This thing is funny as can be to use in duels, i threw it in front of me to stop a melee class who i noticed charged right in at me lmfao. great fun.

[Darkdourden]

WOOT! Found Protective Grove Master 1, so im happy now!

[Oakum]

Owlbear form works great. Also having another group member cast an illusion on it  works better sometimes since you want the tank to pull as soon as you get it up to max the time its on him/her.  That means you sometimes dont have time to cast illusion on it since you are spamming heals until the other healers longer cast spells start hitting the tank.

 

[Feltrak]

I cast it just to be an *ahem* hole sometimes. I think it's hilarious listening to melees cry about it. But, when it comes out, pretty much everyone knows that it represents life! With the tree alive how could we lose!

Oh and we have a 2nd warden, but she never uses tree.

Also, when the tree is healing it has it's own spot on the agro list, however, like a conjuror pet, if the tree pulls agro, and then dies, or the spell expires, it's hate all transfers to you. I noticed this on fights like cazel the mad.

[metacell]

It wouldn't be so bad if I didn't also use Sandstorm. When I'm rooted, I can't walk to the side before casting Protective Grove.My friends jokingly refer to a raid with many wardens as a "forest fight"...

[Illyakuran]

When playing my warden and casting this spell I try and plant it in a wall.

It still heals and most of it is out of the way.

When playing my swashie I hate when someone casts this in the middle of the mobs obscuring everything since I play in 3rd person.

I did a pickup Labs raid this week and there were 3 wardens on the raid, trees popping everywhere making it difficult to figure out which way the mobs were facing.

[Gilfandron]

Hehe, Forest Fight is nice...@metacell: if you use sandstorm and don't expect to be hit yourself you can cancel the effect on yourself. So the group will be protected while you can still wander around at your likings. This should be especially useful to know for Melee-Wardens.

[ELITEO]

Has anybody tried the tree with tortise (does it work well?)  And do the death preventions work on the tree?

[Mithiril]

I must be doing something wrong, when I cast owlbear on my tree it does not work, no change. I am also wondering, does anyone use a macro for this? I personally love my tree, but everyone complains about it, even though I do try and place it to the side.

[Ceeyia]

Illyakuran wrote:

When playing my warden and casting this spell I try and plant it in a wall.

It still heals and most of it is out of the way.

This is precisely what I do as well.  Unless people annoy me, then I make sure to plant it right in the middle of everything.

(Who ever said that forces of nature had to be nice? &nbsp

[Chii]

You can't cast owlbear on your tree anymore or cast anything on it that is group or raid only.  They changed that months ago.  It is no longer an considered in your group.  Pretty easy to place the tree in a wall and forget it, otherwise behind the raid. 

[Mithiril]

Thanks muchly, glad I did't waste too much time trying to make a macro for this.