ninja change to chilling inquest ?

planar gui · 10-20-2006, 01:43 AM

Just something ive noticed over the last week or so. I seem to be running out of power. typical groups havent changed, still have a brawler, rogue, berserker to put the buff on, but now im running out of power, where as, say 2 weeks ago, i wasnt.

Anyone else notice this? I dont think ive changed how i play in the last week, but it is possible that ive turned [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] SMILEY

LardLord · 10-20-2006, 10:39 AM

Strange that you would mention that...I have been running low on power recently.

LardLord · 10-20-2006, 10:45 AM

Hmm...checked the parser...It used to proc about 7.5 times/minute in Labs, but on our last run it only proc'd about 6.5 times/minute. Can't think of anything that might have changed...

DwarvesR · 10-20-2006, 02:10 PM

Earlier today I was running low on power after chain soloing a series of mobs. Vs the last mob I popped my reactive on myself then hit Zealotry. In the entire 36 seconds of Zealotry (about 20 swings at my 1.3 delay) I got zero procs. Theoretically I should have had at least 2 in that time.

Of course after I medded up and began the next series, it seemed like I was proc'ing every 3rd swing, so. . . take that for what you will.

Gobbwin · 10-20-2006, 03:37 PM

I've noticed this as well. Usually w/ a good DPSer, I can run around w/ a fabled 2-hander and not worry about power, but lately I've had to keep my prismatic weapon equiped a lot more often. At first I thought it was because I was spamming my group spells more often, but then I started watching my mana pool and filtered battle chat, the proc wasn't going off nearly as often as it usually does on the same toon.

Catseyes · 10-20-2006, 03:44 PM

ok so it's not me...i was wandering why i was so often going low power and was suspecting my grey FT stuff to not work...but seems it's the drain buff. For what i have seen, it procs as often , but that can have been bugged or nerfed is the chance to get back power. Dont forget, procing the buff is not giving you at 100 % the power back. It's draining the mob and then have a certain % to give you a part of it. we never new the exac % for that.Let's says if was giving back power at 75% on the procs, now it's something like 25% instead, it's a big loss of power regen.I have read so many times inquisitors on forums saying that they usually never get under 80% power, that some dev might have see some bug in that and nerfed it ... Ymrir, 70 inquisitor Befallen

Gobbwin · 10-20-2006, 04:10 PM

The spell states exactly how much power will be taken from the mob and how much it will give you as well as the % chance that it will go off on a sucessful attack.

http://www.mfia-eng.com/images/chilling_inquest_ad3.jpg

If the spell is procing as often as it used to, then the problem resides elsewhere.

Message Edited by Gobbwin on 10-20-2006 05:11 AM

Tarta · 10-20-2006, 04:16 PM

I checked the spell description and it still says 10% chance to proc for 145 power. That said, I have read posts saying we never run out of power in the past as well, and I can definately refute that. There are ways to outburn chilling - it is definately not an infinite power pool as people suggest. Just try frequent group heals/reactives/cures with convert on - ouchee.

There are also things that can turn it from a frequent proc to an absent proc. The last 25% of the last guy in lyceum, vilucidae the priest of thule, comes to mind. He turns resistant to just about everything in his defensive stance and when people can't hit the mob, they cannot proc chilling inquest. Also, if the person you have it on is low on power, they won't be using CAs as much, which will also reduce the frequency of proc.

I have not noticed any drastic differences. Sometimes it procs a ton and sometimes it seems to proc way less.

Catseyes · 10-20-2006, 04:24 PM

mmkkkk my bad SMILEY

so, may be it was giving back power way more than 10% of times and they corrected that . i feel that the power is not going up as it was used to so far. Yes, in raid power is going quickly down, quicker than inquest, coz larges heals and group heals are power killer ,but in group, with that buff on a scout / monk /zerker , and with mostly only use of single reactive and cures, that shouldnt go so low so fast... it was really noticiable. thu, while we dont have solid parses and stats, it can be just a weird feeling...but .... Ymrir, 70 inqui befallen

Frostque · 10-20-2006, 11:17 PM

I usually have a Doh' moment when running out of power quickly, and then I turn off yaulp =P

planar gui · 10-20-2006, 11:19 PM

<---- doesnt leave yaulp on

jago quicksilver · 10-21-2006, 05:33 AM

in a raid situation, i put it on a monk or a zerker or a rogue, and i never run out of power even chain casting nukes, i dont know what is happening to other people, but i can chain cast in a 5+ min fight and be at 80% power or better, although i do have 1 other power proccing item, but it cant make that big of a difference... maybe your inquest proccers are just slacking? or you just get really unlucky on the rolls for one fight, but then have it proc 24/7 the next.

menelaus109 · 10-22-2006, 05:59 AM

Ive never really looked at the amount it procs before but i got the feeling it wasnt proccing quite as much as it used toOn a run through Niz today with Inquest on a Guard it procced 543 times off 4145 melee hits and 4551 non melee hits, some of the non melee hits will be taunts that do damage and some will be multiple hit CA which wont trigger it after the first hit but it still seems a little low only having a 6.5% proc overallIll do some more testing where i just melee something and see how much it procs then

Demoniac · 10-22-2006, 11:32 PM

Frostqueen wrote:
I usually have a Doh' moment when running out of power quickly, and then I turn off yaulp =P

Yaulp is a negtive flowing thought 49. i only use it to challenge my highest dps , beside that... lol I would have to consider this as a fun spell. I would like to know how templars use this thing since they got no power drain at all.

FiveFootStep · 10-23-2006, 12:58 AM

what other power proc item do you have?

FiveFootStep · 10-23-2006, 01:01 AM

Lol, I forgot to quote who I was asking that too

jago quicksilver wrote:in a raid situation, i put it on a monk or a zerker or a rogue, and i never run out of power even chain casting nukes, i dont know what is happening to other people, but i can chain cast in a 5+ min fight and be at 80% power or better, although i do have 1 other power proccing item, but it cant make that big of a difference... maybe your inquest proccers are just slacking? or you just get really unlucky on the rolls for one fight, but then have it proc 24/7 the next.

Troysmith · 10-23-2006, 08:13 AM

Demoniac wrote:
Yaulp is a negtive flowing thought 49. i only use it to challenge my highest dps , beside that... lol I would have to consider this as a fun spell. I would like to know how templars use this thing since they got no power drain at all.

Probably why it's getting nerfed.

menelaus109 · 10-23-2006, 12:28 PM

Troysmith wrote:

Demoniac wrote:
Yaulp is a negtive flowing thought 49. i only use it to challenge my highest dps , beside that... lol I would have to consider this as a fun spell. I would like to know how templars use this thing since they got no power drain at all.

Probably why it's getting nerfed.

Eh? I havent heard anything about Yaulp getting nerfed, you do realise that it is a power drain in return for added melee DPS also it affects casting skills making the penalty for using it even higher when the expansion hits

Catseyes · 10-23-2006, 12:55 PM

Dooooohhhhhhh where did i missed the neg FT49 ??? that could explain things since i was finding this usefull to add some dps :p mhmhmhmhmh kkk that's explain a whole world of things SMILEY

but but but , depending on who i cast inquest , i can stay quite high in power, with yaulp on. Actually casting that on MT or zerks is very benefic. Until i chain cast group heals which are very expensive. ( That could be an idea of Focus on relic armor, instead a +60 pts on heal, i would see a neg % pwer used on heals... ) Ymrir, 70 inquisitor befallen

Gobbwin · 10-23-2006, 04:38 PM

primaryKey wrote:

I checked the spell description and it still says 10% chance to proc for 145 power. That said, I have read posts saying we never run out of power in the past as well, and I can definately refute that. There are ways to outburn chilling - it is definately not an infinite power pool as people suggest. Just try frequent group heals/reactives/cures with convert on - ouchee.

There are also things that can turn it from a frequent proc to an absent proc. The last 25% of the last guy in lyceum, vilucidae the priest of thule, comes to mind. He turns resistant to just about everything in his defensive stance and when people can't hit the mob, they cannot proc chilling inquest. Also, if the person you have it on is low on power, they won't be using CAs as much, which will also reduce the frequency of proc.

I have not noticed any drastic differences. Sometimes it procs a ton and sometimes it seems to proc way less.

Very good points. I went back and looked over some of the encounters that I noticed it wasn't procing as often and virtually all of them were highly resistant mobs. The ones that weren't were likely either an unfortunate run of low procs or the person I had it on was being lazy. I paid attention to it some more this weekend during our raids and random group stuff and it appeared to be functioning properly.

But yes, Yaulp does cost mana to maintain the spell and will affectively keep most ppl around 0 positive mana gain during combat if it is on. I only turn it on when soloing, adding to group DPS when heals aren't needed, and during some PVP encounters.

jago quicksilver · 10-23-2006, 11:50 PM

FiveFootStep wrote:what other power proc item do you have?

MO leather bp

FiveFootStep · 10-27-2006, 01:12 AM

jago quicksilver wrote:
FiveFootStep wrote:what other power proc item do you have?
MO leather bp

I hate you now, just an FYI SMILEY

jago quicksilver · 10-27-2006, 12:03 PM

FiveFootStep wrote:
jago quicksilver wrote:
FiveFootStep wrote:what other power proc item do you have?
MO leather bp
I hate you now, just an FYI

i love that thing, i got a 3princes wand now (not the wis/ministration hammer, but o well) and i can go almost literally forever... i feel like a necro with m1 archlich, it owns.

menelaus109 · 10-27-2006, 09:58 PM

jago quicksilver wrote:
FiveFootStep wrote:what other power proc item do you have?
MO leather bp

Doesnt that only proc on spell attacks or is it all attacks?I dont find myself casting many spells, how often does it proc for you?

jago quicksilver · 10-30-2006, 04:51 AM

menelaus109 wrote:
jago quicksilver wrote:
FiveFootStep wrote:what other power proc item do you have?
MO leather bp
Doesnt that only proc on spell attacks or is it all attacks?I dont find myself casting many spells, how often does it proc for you?

i cast alot of nukes, and now with 2 items with similiar procs, i very rarely fall below 80% power.

menelaus109 · 10-30-2006, 01:51 PM

jago quicksilver wrote:
menelaus109 wrote:
jago quicksilver wrote:
FiveFootStep wrote:what other power proc item do you have?
MO leather bp
Doesnt that only proc on spell attacks or is it all attacks?I dont find myself casting many spells, how often does it proc for you?
i cast alot of nukes, and now with 2 items with similiar procs, i very rarely fall below 80% power.

Im guessing the wand or hammer from 3 princes? I wouldnt have thought you would use the stein of flowing ichor over fitzpitzles protector if you are casting a lot of spellsI never really considered using items that proc power on spell casts, i have a few items with offensive procs on spells but wasnt that happy with the proc rate so stopped using them

Message Edited by menelaus109 on 10-30-2006 01:00 AM

Avirodar · 11-04-2006, 02:15 PM

I have not noticed a change to chilling inquest since KoS has been released.

It has a 10% chance of proccing, but that does not mean if it fails to proc on the first 9 hits, the 10th will proc. It is statistically feasible to watch 1000 hits roll past and chilling inquest fail to proc once (albeit highly unlikely!).

Some days you get good days, others, bad.

If you're ending fights with a ton of power, it means there is more you could be doing. I have traditionally based my power output to reflect my mana gain. My general power target to finish most encounters/bosses with, is 40-50%. This includes when wearing the 3 princes hammer, MO BP and the DT Stein.

- Avirodar

Message Edited by Trinral on 11-04-2006 01:16 AM

10-20-2006, 02:10 PM	#4
DwarvesR General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,390	Earlier today I was running low on power after chain soloing a series of mobs. Vs the last mob I popped my reactive on myself then hit Zealotry. In the entire 36 seconds of Zealotry (about 20 swings at my 1.3 delay) I got zero procs. Theoretically I should have had at least 2 in that time. Of course after I medded up and began the next series, it seemed like I was proc'ing every 3rd swing, so. . . take that for what you will. __________________ Jonna - 78 Inquisitor, Keodan - 77 Fury, Elynna - 90 Coercer, Clarisse - 90 ShadowKnight, Gotter - 90 Warlock, Kyeda - 66 Necromancer, Spirrita - 66 Defiler, Darlana - 75 Dirge, Meylota - 54 Warden, Guuk - 60 Monk, Briarra - 55 Brigand, Dactylus - 51 Mystic

10-20-2006, 03:37 PM	#5
Gobbwin Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 305	I've noticed this as well. Usually w/ a good DPSer, I can run around w/ a fabled 2-hander and not worry about power, but lately I've had to keep my prismatic weapon equiped a lot more often. At first I thought it was because I was spamming my group spells more often, but then I started watching my mana pool and filtered battle chat, the proc wasn't going off nearly as often as it usually does on the same toon. __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Kikio 80 Inquisitor Ferochus 70 Bruiser (Retired) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

10-20-2006, 04:10 PM	#7
Gobbwin Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 305	The spell states exactly how much power will be taken from the mob and how much it will give you as well as the % chance that it will go off on a sucessful attack. http://www.mfia-eng.com/images/chilling_inquest_ad3.jpg If the spell is procing as often as it used to, then the problem resides elsewhere. Message Edited by Gobbwin on 10-20-2006 05:11 AM __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Kikio 80 Inquisitor Ferochus 70 Bruiser (Retired) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

10-20-2006, 04:24 PM	#9
Catseyes Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 223	mmkkkk my bad so, may be it was giving back power way more than 10% of times and they corrected that . i feel that the power is not going up as it was used to so far. Yes, in raid power is going quickly down, quicker than inquest, coz larges heals and group heals are power killer ,but in group, with that buff on a scout / monk /zerker , and with mostly only use of single reactive and cures, that shouldnt go so low so fast... it was really noticiable. thu, while we dont have solid parses and stats, it can be just a weird feeling...but .... Ymrir, 70 inqui befallen

10-22-2006, 11:32 PM	#14
Demoniac Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 489	Frostqueen wrote: I usually have a Doh' moment when running out of power quickly, and then I turn off yaulp =P Yaulp is a negtive flowing thought 49. i only use it to challenge my highest dps , beside that... lol I would have to consider this as a fun spell. I would like to know how templars use this thing since they got no power drain at all.

10-20-2006, 01:43 AM	#1
planar gui Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 3	Just something ive noticed over the last week or so. I seem to be running out of power. typical groups havent changed, still have a brawler, rogue, berserker to put the buff on, but now im running out of power, where as, say 2 weeks ago, i wasnt. Anyone else notice this? I dont think ive changed how i play in the last week, but it is possible that ive turned [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]

10-20-2006, 10:39 AM	#2
LardLord Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,515	Strange that you would mention that...I have been running low on power recently.

10-20-2006, 10:45 AM	#3
LardLord Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,515	Hmm...checked the parser...It used to proc about 7.5 times/minute in Labs, but on our last run it only proc'd about 6.5 times/minute. Can't think of anything that might have changed...

10-20-2006, 03:44 PM	#6
Catseyes Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 223	ok so it's not me...i was wandering why i was so often going low power and was suspecting my grey FT stuff to not work...but seems it's the drain buff. For what i have seen, it procs as often , but that can have been bugged or nerfed is the chance to get back power. Dont forget, procing the buff is not giving you at 100 % the power back. It's draining the mob and then have a certain % to give you a part of it. we never new the exac % for that.Let's says if was giving back power at 75% on the procs, now it's something like 25% instead, it's a big loss of power regen.I have read so many times inquisitors on forums saying that they usually never get under 80% power, that some dev might have see some bug in that and nerfed it ... Ymrir, 70 inquisitor Befallen

10-20-2006, 04:16 PM	#8
Tarta Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 106	I checked the spell description and it still says 10% chance to proc for 145 power. That said, I have read posts saying we never run out of power in the past as well, and I can definately refute that. There are ways to outburn chilling - it is definately not an infinite power pool as people suggest. Just try frequent group heals/reactives/cures with convert on - ouchee. There are also things that can turn it from a frequent proc to an absent proc. The last 25% of the last guy in lyceum, vilucidae the priest of thule, comes to mind. He turns resistant to just about everything in his defensive stance and when people can't hit the mob, they cannot proc chilling inquest. Also, if the person you have it on is low on power, they won't be using CAs as much, which will also reduce the frequency of proc. I have not noticed any drastic differences. Sometimes it procs a ton and sometimes it seems to proc way less.

10-20-2006, 11:17 PM	#10
Frostque General Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 16	I usually have a Doh' moment when running out of power quickly, and then I turn off yaulp =P

10-20-2006, 11:19 PM	#11
planar gui Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 3	<---- doesnt leave yaulp on

10-21-2006, 05:33 AM	#12
jago quicksilver Lord Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 306	in a raid situation, i put it on a monk or a zerker or a rogue, and i never run out of power even chain casting nukes, i dont know what is happening to other people, but i can chain cast in a 5+ min fight and be at 80% power or better, although i do have 1 other power proccing item, but it cant make that big of a difference... maybe your inquest proccers are just slacking? or you just get really unlucky on the rolls for one fight, but then have it proc 24/7 the next.

10-22-2006, 05:59 AM	#13
menelaus109 Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 182	Ive never really looked at the amount it procs before but i got the feeling it wasnt proccing quite as much as it used toOn a run through Niz today with Inquest on a Guard it procced 543 times off 4145 melee hits and 4551 non melee hits, some of the non melee hits will be taunts that do damage and some will be multiple hit CA which wont trigger it after the first hit but it still seems a little low only having a 6.5% proc overallIll do some more testing where i just melee something and see how much it procs then

10-23-2006, 12:58 AM	#15
FiveFootStep Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Muskogee, Oklahoma Posts: 207	what other power proc item do you have?

10-23-2006, 01:01 AM	#16
FiveFootStep Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Muskogee, Oklahoma Posts: 207	Lol, I forgot to quote who I was asking that too jago quicksilver wrote:in a raid situation, i put it on a monk or a zerker or a rogue, and i never run out of power even chain casting nukes, i dont know what is happening to other people, but i can chain cast in a 5+ min fight and be at 80% power or better, although i do have 1 other power proccing item, but it cant make that big of a difference... maybe your inquest proccers are just slacking? or you just get really unlucky on the rolls for one fight, but then have it proc 24/7 the next.

10-23-2006, 08:13 AM	#17
Troysmith Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 90	Demoniac wrote: Yaulp is a negtive flowing thought 49. i only use it to challenge my highest dps , beside that... lol I would have to consider this as a fun spell. I would like to know how templars use this thing since they got no power drain at all. Probably why it's getting nerfed. __________________ Tigro 80 Brigand Mayhem Kagor 80 Inquisitor

10-23-2006, 12:28 PM	#18
menelaus109 Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 182	Troysmith wrote: Demoniac wrote: Yaulp is a negtive flowing thought 49. i only use it to challenge my highest dps , beside that... lol I would have to consider this as a fun spell. I would like to know how templars use this thing since they got no power drain at all. Probably why it's getting nerfed. Eh? I havent heard anything about Yaulp getting nerfed, you do realise that it is a power drain in return for added melee DPS also it affects casting skills making the penalty for using it even higher when the expansion hits

10-23-2006, 12:55 PM	#19
Catseyes Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 223	Dooooohhhhhhh where did i missed the neg FT49 ??? that could explain things since i was finding this usefull to add some dps :p mhmhmhmhmh kkk that's explain a whole world of things but but but , depending on who i cast inquest , i can stay quite high in power, with yaulp on. Actually casting that on MT or zerks is very benefic. Until i chain cast group heals which are very expensive. ( That could be an idea of Focus on relic armor, instead a +60 pts on heal, i would see a neg % pwer used on heals... ) Ymrir, 70 inquisitor befallen

10-23-2006, 04:38 PM	#20
Gobbwin Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 305	primaryKey wrote: I checked the spell description and it still says 10% chance to proc for 145 power. That said, I have read posts saying we never run out of power in the past as well, and I can definately refute that. There are ways to outburn chilling - it is definately not an infinite power pool as people suggest. Just try frequent group heals/reactives/cures with convert on - ouchee. There are also things that can turn it from a frequent proc to an absent proc. The last 25% of the last guy in lyceum, vilucidae the priest of thule, comes to mind. He turns resistant to just about everything in his defensive stance and when people can't hit the mob, they cannot proc chilling inquest. Also, if the person you have it on is low on power, they won't be using CAs as much, which will also reduce the frequency of proc. I have not noticed any drastic differences. Sometimes it procs a ton and sometimes it seems to proc way less. Very good points. I went back and looked over some of the encounters that I noticed it wasn't procing as often and virtually all of them were highly resistant mobs. The ones that weren't were likely either an unfortunate run of low procs or the person I had it on was being lazy. I paid attention to it some more this weekend during our raids and random group stuff and it appeared to be functioning properly. But yes, Yaulp does cost mana to maintain the spell and will affectively keep most ppl around 0 positive mana gain during combat if it is on. I only turn it on when soloing, adding to group DPS when heals aren't needed, and during some PVP encounters. __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Kikio 80 Inquisitor Ferochus 70 Bruiser (Retired) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

10-23-2006, 11:50 PM	#21
jago quicksilver Lord Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 306	FiveFootStep wrote:what other power proc item do you have? MO leather bp

10-27-2006, 01:12 AM	#22
FiveFootStep Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Muskogee, Oklahoma Posts: 207	jago quicksilver wrote: FiveFootStep wrote:what other power proc item do you have? MO leather bp I hate you now, just an FYI

10-27-2006, 12:03 PM	#23
jago quicksilver Lord Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 306	FiveFootStep wrote: jago quicksilver wrote: FiveFootStep wrote:what other power proc item do you have? MO leather bp I hate you now, just an FYI i love that thing, i got a 3princes wand now (not the wis/ministration hammer, but o well) and i can go almost literally forever... i feel like a necro with m1 archlich, it owns.

10-27-2006, 09:58 PM	#24
menelaus109 Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 182	jago quicksilver wrote: FiveFootStep wrote:what other power proc item do you have? MO leather bp Doesnt that only proc on spell attacks or is it all attacks?I dont find myself casting many spells, how often does it proc for you?

10-30-2006, 04:51 AM	#25
jago quicksilver Lord Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 306	menelaus109 wrote: jago quicksilver wrote: FiveFootStep wrote:what other power proc item do you have? MO leather bp Doesnt that only proc on spell attacks or is it all attacks?I dont find myself casting many spells, how often does it proc for you? i cast alot of nukes, and now with 2 items with similiar procs, i very rarely fall below 80% power.

10-30-2006, 01:51 PM	#26
menelaus109 Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 182	jago quicksilver wrote: menelaus109 wrote: jago quicksilver wrote: FiveFootStep wrote:what other power proc item do you have? MO leather bp Doesnt that only proc on spell attacks or is it all attacks?I dont find myself casting many spells, how often does it proc for you? i cast alot of nukes, and now with 2 items with similiar procs, i very rarely fall below 80% power. Im guessing the wand or hammer from 3 princes? I wouldnt have thought you would use the stein of flowing ichor over fitzpitzles protector if you are casting a lot of spellsI never really considered using items that proc power on spell casts, i have a few items with offensive procs on spells but wasnt that happy with the proc rate so stopped using them Message Edited by menelaus109 on 10-30-2006 01:00 AM

11-04-2006, 02:15 PM	#27
Avirodar Server: Oasis Guild: Tyranny Rank: Champion Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,035	I have not noticed a change to chilling inquest since KoS has been released. It has a 10% chance of proccing, but that does not mean if it fails to proc on the first 9 hits, the 10th will proc. It is statistically feasible to watch 1000 hits roll past and chilling inquest fail to proc once (albeit highly unlikely!). Some days you get good days, others, bad. If you're ending fights with a ton of power, it means there is more you could be doing. I have traditionally based my power output to reflect my mana gain. My general power target to finish most encounters/bosses with, is 40-50%. This includes when wearing the 3 princes hammer, MO BP and the DT Stein. - Avirodar Message Edited by Trinral on 11-04-2006 01:16 AM __________________ Templar of Oasis