Which Priest Class is in Highest Group Demand?

XaiusTa · 12-30-2005, 10:30 PM

I was just wondering which subclass of priests find it easier to group up. I'd like to start a character that is in high demand for groups and nothing is in higher demand than a priest. Just wonder which one is best for groups. Thnx.

Xerxess · 12-30-2005, 10:59 PM

they are all best for a group. SoE made sure they all had an equal chance to be a solo healer for the group. There is no really no best anymore, some just have an easier time then others but all priest classes can be the best for a group.

Espyderman · 12-30-2005, 11:12 PM

Templars and Furies and their evil cohorts are mostly used in group formations, also Mystics but there just isnt a ton of em around. I think Wardens dont exist anymore.....so we dont see em around anywhere so no real comment there.

Message Edited by Espyderman on 12-30-2005 10:13 AM

Quijonsith · 12-31-2005, 12:46 AM

I've seen plenty of wardens on the antonia bayle server. As far as demand, pick a priest class that suites teh style you'd like to heal with. Be it reactive, regen, or ward. Groups look for well played healers, not any one class.

kenji · 12-31-2005, 05:55 AM

pick fury, most things u can do for you and your group, not only "just a healer"

RedFeather · 12-31-2005, 11:10 AM

If it's getting invited into a group quickly that you're after, it's more about the priest population on your server.

Just tagging yourself can get you invites quickly regardless of what class you pick, so long as there aren't that many priests in your level range online at the moment.

Supernova17 · 12-31-2005, 09:25 PM

Most groups are happy to get ANY healer, they rarely care so long as they have on. This isn't 100%, but it's the popular opinion atm. Fun Factor: Druid Raid Demand Factor: Cleric and Shaman

Femur · 01-01-2006, 12:25 AM

Indeed, on Highkeep, it's not a question of what kind of healer is available. It's always, is there a healer available. More often than not, none is available so we hear alot of, "well, we have 2 pallys that will just have to do". I even had the great displeasure of raiding DFC with a 12 man group and at 40 being the only source of healing because the other pally left 10 minutes in. Not a happy case as we can bumble through main healing but don't stand a snowball's chance against an epicx2 like Lord Fyst.

This event more than anything is what encouraged me to work on my lv13 cleric....

Arielle Nightshade · 01-01-2006, 01:52 PM

XaiusTain wrote:

I was just wondering which subclass of priests find it easier to group up. I'd like to start a character that is in high demand for groups and nothing is in higher demand than a priest. Just wonder which one is best for groups. Thnx.

Also depends on the group. If it's heavy on scouts and tanks, Templar is awesome..if it's mage heavy, you want a druid (...faster casting, but smaller heals..often save their butts). For that Unknown Group out there, I say go Templar. Even if other healers do as well...there's still the idea that Templars are better, and you'll be in demand.

Des is absolutely right though..most groups are glad to have ANY healer.

Supernova17 · 01-02-2006, 12:13 AM

Arielle Nightshade wrote:

XaiusTain wrote:
I was just wondering which subclass of priests find it easier to group up. I'd like to start a character that is in high demand for groups and nothing is in higher demand than a priest. Just wonder which one is best for groups. Thnx.

Also depends on the group. If it's heavy on scouts and tanks, Templar is awesome..if it's mage heavy, you want a druid (...faster casting, but smaller heals..often save their butts). For that Unknown Group out there, I say go Templar. Even if other healers do as well...there's still the idea that Templars are better, and you'll be in demand.

Des is absolutely right though..most groups are glad to have ANY healer.

/hug Arielle !!! I'm playing Des still in my new raid guild on Kithicor and have a 55 Fury that I made to box with my Monk. I have to say my Templar is a far stronger healer, the Fury is just faster casting heals for less ammount and back into the fray is great and all, but it really doesn't reach much over my Master 1 Grand Ameloration. I feel my Templar is more in demand on Kithicor, and as Arielle said, we have the reputation for being better healers and this is not undeserved. Also remember that it's the player, not the class who makes the difference. Any player who strives for the best gear and spell upgrades and plays his/her class to the max is going to be a better healer that someone playing another class, not caring about spell quality or gear and just pushing the same 3 adept1 heals over and over, not bothering to take full use of thier abilities. Story Time! I was playing my 58 Monk in Poet's Palace and we had a 58 Templar (60 Guard / 60 Zerk MT) and omg did this player ever make Templars look bad. Wouldn't heal the Zerk or myself if we got aggro, wouldn't stack reactives, had GoC on the Guard rather than myself or the Zerk, would be rezzing the dead Mage while the Guard was getting beaten into the red. Just did not have priorities straight. I tried to drop hints on how to more effectively play the Templar, and this person wouldn't have it (seeing as I've only been a Templar since early December 2004, was level 50 in June (playing alts alot) and 60 in October having faced the biggest and baddest solo, heroic and epic encounters, Poet's Palace and Poet's Palace the Return and holding my own in a 6 healer raid guild) and this failure to take advice after 3 wipes on content we should have breeze'd through was just stupid.

Message Edited by Supernova17 on 01-01-2006 11:23 AM

Caethre · 01-02-2006, 01:56 AM

OOC.

I won't comment on raid-settings, as that's not my thing. But for normal groups there is absolutely no doubt in my mind - take a Fury. Taking a Templar if you have a Fury as an option is plain dumb IMO, as things stand now.

Felishanna [54 Templar]
Annaelisa [56 Fury]

Arielle Nightshade · 01-02-2006, 02:15 AM

/hug Des!! Miss you ..but DEFINiTELY know why you went to Kithicor!! SMILEY

WRT your story..GAH! I've had higher level healers trying to tell me how to heal...when neither healer I have is the class they play. Nothing more annoying than a Templar that won't heal. There's more aggro now for Templars than there was before, but..having grown up as a druid..TRUST me when I say it's nowhere near as much as it could be.

Nothing worse than a lvl 60 noob, huh? LOL

TunaBoo · 01-02-2006, 03:44 AM

Raidwise you want non-cleric as there are usually too many clerics around. XP wise not a big deal.

Supernova17 · 01-02-2006, 05:19 AM

TunaBoo wrote:Raidwise you want non-cleric as there are usually too many clerics around. XP wise not a big deal.

Not anymore, as evidenced by Cathere, every healer who likes flavor of the month opinions has rolled a Fury. Cath, my Fury is 55, I dont see the big freaking deal about them. Slowwwwwww recasts on the nukes, granted they do hit harder. Small heals that cast faster, but are not mana efficient, weak buffs for defensive, decent buffs for melee dps. The only thing I like about him is Group Regen vs Group Reactive. They're quite balanced, too bad you're too biased to see this. Might be alot running around on Lavastorm, but Clerics are limited on Kithicor. Most of the weak ones have been culled thank goodness.

RedFeather · 01-02-2006, 07:59 AM

Supernova17 wrote:

Not anymore, as evidenced by Cathere, every healer who likes flavor of the month opinions has rolled a Fury.

Cath, my Fury is 55, I dont see the big freaking deal about them. Slowwwwwww recasts on the nukes, granted they do hit harder. Small heals that cast faster, but are not mana efficient, weak buffs for defensive, decent buffs for melee dps. The only thing I like about him is Group Regen vs Group Reactive. They're quite balanced, too bad you're too biased to see this.

Might be alot running around on Lavastorm, but Clerics are limited on Kithicor. Most of the weak ones have been culled thank goodness.

I have no feelings about how furies and clerics compare to one another. You just sparked a strange observation I never picked up on.

I've known half a dozen furies, all were women. Just a coincidence, I know. I had a male druid on the Test server. That was it.
You just helped me realize that I've never bumped into a male fury in my travels.:smileysurprised:

Caethre · 01-02-2006, 08:24 AM

OOC.

Supernova17 wrote:

TunaBoo wrote:
Raidwise you want non-cleric as there are usually too many clerics around. XP wise not a big deal.

As I said, I won't comment on raids. But for XP groups, in most normal groups, you will get more XP grouped with a Fury than with a Templar. In some groups, the gain will be small, in others, large.

Not anymore, as evidenced by Cathere, every healer who likes flavor of the month opinions has rolled a Fury.

This remark seems slanted to deride me, and to deride anyone who has made the same choice. I do not ever chase "the flavor of the month" as you put it, or change classes at the drop of a hat. I could say more, but this of yours remark seems simply designed to insult.

Cath, my Fury is 55, I dont see the big freaking deal about them. Slowwwwwww recasts on the nukes, granted they do hit harder.

The result of the "hitting harder" despite "longer recast times" is double or more DPS. At Level 55, its more like triple or more, at least on multi-mob encounters. No big deal you think? For someone who can heal just as well as you can, I'd say 3x DPS was a big deal, personally.

[Fury has] Small heals that cast faster, but are not mana efficient,

The heals are fine. I've not yet noticed any difference in healing power/capability between Templar and Fury. Of course, the mechanics are somewhat different, and it affects what I cast and when, and I have to be more attentive on the Fury (whereas healing with a Templar is a piece of cake), but the overall effect on healing power seems to be about the same. The only difference is, when I get to cast spells over and above heals to help my group kills things, as a Fury, I bring SO MUCH MORE than my (or anyones) Templar can.

[Fury has] weak buffs for defensive,

True, weaker than cleric by some margin. This is the ONLY thing of any value that the Templar can do better infact. But has that made any real difference? Actually, no, it hasn't. Defence is not very important in EQ2 right now in most group settings.

[Fury has] decent buffs for melee dps.

And for caster DPS too, which is important to me as most of my more common groupmates seem to play casters. Very decent indeed. The Fury blows the Templar out of the water in this area, like in DPS. And you didn't even mention all the non-combat utility that groups love.

The only thing I like about him is Group Regen vs Group Reactive.

Well, this is not far from even either.

They're quite balanced, too bad you're too biased to see this.

Oh no, back to the insults I see. "Biased"? Sounds like "not agreeing with you" means "biased" here. I have made a genuine balanced assessment, and presented data, observations and commentary, over three months, on many threads. many others have reported the same. A few naysayers have said otherwise, been effectively proven wrong, but keep saying their thing anyway. Well, fine, but this response is just personal sniping. You are entitled to see the two classes as "balanced" if you wish, even if all the evidence says otherwise.

I know you are a raider. Remember, I am not talking about raids, I never was, nor about the uber-top-end hardcore stuff - I'm referring to normal everyday content that most of us play almost every day. This means soloing, small groups of 2 and 3, and casual groups of up to six players, doing quests, exploring, and killing for XP on normal things.

Templars should not be FORCED to only be balanced on specific target types or for specific playstyles, and accept being weaker for everything else. Pre-LU13, the Templar class was in its correct relative place. That is the class we all chose. But now, I will bring more to a normal group as a Fury than any Templar of equivalent gear ever could (including myself, and including you, whether you like it or not). And when I'm soloing, like one seems to be expected to do for all these long DoF quest lines, Furies leave said Templars for dead.

If you or anyone else truely believes for such content, the Templar class is in its rightful place, we are never going to agree. However, you can bet for absolute certain, those who agree with me, who I believe to be most Templars, are going to go on and on and on about this, until it is fixed.

Might be alot running around on Lavastorm, but Clerics are limited on Kithicor. Most of the weak ones have been culled thank goodness.

I cannot comment on servers I am not playing on.

But have the "weak ones" been "culled"? Are you referring derisorily to all "casual-style players" as "weak ones"? Or just to those who have realized how weak the Templar class is in that playstyle?

Anyway, is it the "weak ones" who have "stayed behind"?

I would suggest, the latter, actually. Your mileage may vary.

Suite · 01-02-2006, 11:56 AM

XaiusTain wrote:

I was just wondering which subclass of priests find it easier to group up. I'd like to start a character that is in high demand for groups and nothing is in higher demand than a priest. Just wonder which one is best for groups. Thnx.

I play each type of healer and two of the druid types (one fury, one warden). All have no trouble getting a group.

Suite / Eliana

Supernova17 · 01-02-2006, 05:22 PM

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Message Edited by Raijinn Thunderguard on 01-03-2006 05:08 PM

Tash 1 · 01-02-2006, 05:49 PM

I think Its just as easy to get a group either with my Fury or my Templar. The templar though seem to attract better groups that know what they are doing. While my fury sometimes ends up in groups that’s says “Great almost full tem lets just get a healer”… lol

My templar IS the better healer and I can keep almost any no maniac group alive I seem to be welcome in groups over 5-7 levels higher and can heal that group good enough. (But I have to work my as of!)

So I think people that really wants a healer looks first for Templars second for other. But expect hard work and high demands SMILEY

->Supernova17
I feel that Cath maybe like me really love our Templars and moan in anguish over the unfair that we feel have befallen us. If they just could give us some skills so we can be such a fun class to play as we deserve to be SMILEY

/Tash

Caethre · 01-02-2006, 05:50 PM

OOC.

I am a Templar player. I wish to see the Templar class fixed.

These are the official Templar forums for Sony, and this is the Templar board. If any of us wish to post, and keep posting, feedback to SoE on our continued observations on our class, we will do so.

Personal attacks are not acceptable. If someone is not interested in reading remarks and observations they do not agree with, because they hold an extreme point of view and do not care about the observations and needs of players other than themselves and those who play the same playstyle, they would be advised not to read the forums at all.

Getting our class fixed and playable again for ALL OF OUR COMMUNITY, not just the hardcore element, is too important. Some of us don't care about that. However, there are those of us who do, and we will post all the comparative data and comments to support our case.

Felishanna / Annaelisa

Twizzel · 01-02-2006, 06:10 PM

Supernova17 wrote:
Sorry Cath, I just see you as a hipporcrite and it's annoying.

Why do you keep comming to the TEMPLAR boards and post how much better FURIES are, when this fourm is for actively playing Templars to discuss problems / issues, provide tips and strategies and help each other out. I'm sick and tired of seeing you with a shelved Templar comming in here and posting in probably half of the threads about Fury this, Fury that, and I along with others are sick of it. Why can we not focus on the TEMPLAR class in the TEMPLAR FOURM? Why must there always be comparison to Fury remarks and Fury is better yada yada?

I wan't to see all of us here working on Templar related issues and how to work-around or fix them. Sometimes I regret not having rolled an Inquisitor, their fourms are much much more focused, united and intent on their own class, rather than others. The Furies have a fourm of their own, use it.

Well, you haven't completely missed the reason, have you? You just stated it here...board is for PROBLEMS with Templars! I would guess that if Templars DID get fixed, many of us would dust off our Templars and begin playing them again...

I am not going to restate the problems with Tempars here, yet again, since they have been explained in great detail in other places, thanks to Caethre and others like her taking the time to provide empirical evidence on how broken Templars are relative to other Priests.

We should not have to "work around" issues to play a class.

If you wan to reroll an Inquisitor, what is stopping you? I see you say they are intent on their own class. Hmmm...how would they know anything is wrong with their class if they aren't comparing them to some other class? Oh, and also, why would you tell others they can't read the Templar boards when they aren't "actively" playing a Templar when you apparently frequent the Inquisitor boards without having an Inquisitor?

Some of us invested a great deal of time into our Templars before the entire concept of Templar was pulled out from under us. If not for some vocal folks who don't appreciate it, soon EQ2 will become SWG and 16 classes will become 4...but I am guessing that is what some that post here that "all is fine" really want anyway...

Tanit · 01-02-2006, 09:38 PM

XaiusTain wrote:
I was just wondering which subclass of priests find it easier to group up. I'd like to start a character that is in high demand for groups and nothing is in higher demand than a priest. Just wonder which one is best for groups. Thnx.

I dont think any priest class is more in demand than the other. Groups, on my server, are usually happy to find 1 priest lfg. All priests are able to keep a group alive alone, so it doesnt really matter. Just pick the class you like playing. Ofcourse if you like to solo clerics/shamans arent really a good choice (imo), but i guess not since you're asking for groups.Funny to see fury dps mentioned yet again. That's only really relevant when soloing, fury dps is too weak in groups to even notice the difference.

TunaBoo · 01-03-2006, 01:51 AM

Fury raises group dps by a lot, and has very decent nukes in a group, its definately noticable if played by a good fury.

Tanit · 01-03-2006, 03:02 AM

TunaBoo wrote:Fury raises group dps by a lot, and has very decent nukes in a group, its definately noticable if played by a good fury.

I suppose it helps a bit if you're in a crappy group(setup), but in my experience mobs drop so fast that the priest choice doesn't matter.

Message Edited by Tanith_ on 01-02-2006 11:03 PM

TunaBoo · 01-03-2006, 03:24 AM

Depends, in a trio mobs take longer to drop.

Caethre · 01-03-2006, 04:46 AM

OOC.

Tanith_ wrote:

Funny to see fury dps mentioned yet again. That's only really relevant when soloing, fury dps is too weak in groups to even notice the difference.

Well, I couldn't disagree more, and playing both, the difference is very significant and obvious in most normal groups. It is especially true when fighting against mobs where the Fury can cast AE nukes on multiple targets. Indeed, groupmates who notice such things do comment upon it.

Either you are grouping with some pretty awful Furies, or you are not talking about normal groups where the Fury is both healing and also has power for nuking too (that is, groups of 2-6 players, yes that includes from Duos up to groups of six) against normal content (for trios, thats even con heroics, for more, might be yellow con heroics). If you are talking just about the very highest end uber-groups fighting in situations where the priest is only healing and has no power to contribue further, sure, it won't show then, but the rest of us are not talking about that tiny percentage of groups.

kenji · 01-03-2006, 05:50 AM

Tanith_ wrote:

Funny to see fury dps mentioned yet again. That's only really relevant when soloing, fury dps is too weak in groups to even notice the difference.
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u only based on real dps class vs priest dps. sure the dps is too weak lol

com'on u know how to compare priest vs priest dps right?

Tanit · 01-03-2006, 08:26 AM

TunaBoo wrote:Depends, in a trio mobs take longer to drop.

Ofcourse then it matters a lot more, but i'm asuming the op talks about full groups.

Tanit · 01-03-2006, 08:36 AM

Caethre wrote:OOC.
Well, I couldn't disagree more, and playing both, the difference is very significant and obvious in most normal groups. It is especially true when fighting against mobs where the Fury can cast AE nukes on multiple targets. Indeed, groupmates who notice such things do comment upon it.

Either you are grouping with some pretty awful Furies, or you are not talking about normal groups where the Fury is both healing and also has power for nuking too (that is, groups of 2-6 players, yes that includes from Duos up to groups of six) against normal content (for trios, thats even con heroics, for more, might be yellow con heroics). If you are talking just about the very highest end uber-groups fighting in situations where the priest is only healing and has no power to contribue further, sure, it won't show then, but the rest of us are not talking about that tiny percentage of groups.

In duo's the dps of all classes matter a lot, but i was talking about full groups. I can only speak from my own experience where mobs died extremely fast. Just a matter of a good group setup, dont see whats so uber about that. When i talk about groups i mean a full one, not tiny ones with 2-3 players. I agree that in those groups the priest dps will matter.

Tanit · 01-03-2006, 08:40 AM

kenjiso wrote:
u only based on real dps class vs priest dps. sure the dps is too weak lol

com'on u know how to compare priest vs priest dps right?

You can't look at 2 classes without seeing the whole picture (a group). If you talk about soloing you can, but the op is asking about groups. Anyway. don't need to have yet another templar/fury discussion, i think there are plenty of those in other threads. SMILEY

Message Edited by Tanith_ on 01-03-2006 04:42 AM

12-30-2005, 10:59 PM	#2
Xerxess Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 168	they are all best for a group. SoE made sure they all had an equal chance to be a solo healer for the group. There is no really no best anymore, some just have an easier time then others but all priest classes can be the best for a group. __________________ Pepi Necessary Evil 80 Swashy Max of 400 DPS!!

12-31-2005, 12:46 AM	#4
Quijonsith Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 230	I've seen plenty of wardens on the antonia bayle server. As far as demand, pick a priest class that suites teh style you'd like to heal with. Be it reactive, regen, or ward. Groups look for well played healers, not any one class. __________________ Just my two cents, ok maybe $.50. Main: Goddli D'Offtank 70 Templar on Antonia Bayle Alts: 50 Monk, 23 Dirge, 20 Wizard, 27 Necro

01-01-2006, 12:25 AM	#8
Femur Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 23	Indeed, on Highkeep, it's not a question of what kind of healer is available. It's always, is there a healer available. More often than not, none is available so we hear alot of, "well, we have 2 pallys that will just have to do". I even had the great displeasure of raiding DFC with a 12 man group and at 40 being the only source of healing because the other pally left 10 minutes in. Not a happy case as we can bumble through main healing but don't stand a snowball's chance against an epicx2 like Lord Fyst. This event more than anything is what encouraged me to work on my lv13 cleric.... __________________ ---------------------------------------- Guild: Casual Friday - Butcherblock Hepolicus (Human: 56 Paladin/ 42 Armorer) Celyanees - (High Elf: 48 Templar/ 50 Provisioner)

01-01-2006, 01:52 PM	#9
Arielle Nightshade Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,727	XaiusTain wrote: I was just wondering which subclass of priests find it easier to group up. I'd like to start a character that is in high demand for groups and nothing is in higher demand than a priest. Just wonder which one is best for groups. Thnx. Also depends on the group. If it's heavy on scouts and tanks, Templar is awesome..if it's mage heavy, you want a druid (...faster casting, but smaller heals..often save their butts). For that Unknown Group out there, I say go Templar. Even if other healers do as well...there's still the idea that Templars are better, and you'll be in demand. Des is absolutely right though..most groups are glad to have ANY healer.

01-02-2006, 12:13 AM	#10
Supernova17 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,317	Arielle Nightshade wrote: XaiusTain wrote: I was just wondering which subclass of priests find it easier to group up. I'd like to start a character that is in high demand for groups and nothing is in higher demand than a priest. Just wonder which one is best for groups. Thnx. Also depends on the group. If it's heavy on scouts and tanks, Templar is awesome..if it's mage heavy, you want a druid (...faster casting, but smaller heals..often save their butts). For that Unknown Group out there, I say go Templar. Even if other healers do as well...there's still the idea that Templars are better, and you'll be in demand. Des is absolutely right though..most groups are glad to have ANY healer. /hug Arielle !!! I'm playing Des still in my new raid guild on Kithicor and have a 55 Fury that I made to box with my Monk. I have to say my Templar is a far stronger healer, the Fury is just faster casting heals for less ammount and back into the fray is great and all, but it really doesn't reach much over my Master 1 Grand Ameloration. I feel my Templar is more in demand on Kithicor, and as Arielle said, we have the reputation for being better healers and this is not undeserved. Also remember that it's the player, not the class who makes the difference. Any player who strives for the best gear and spell upgrades and plays his/her class to the max is going to be a better healer that someone playing another class, not caring about spell quality or gear and just pushing the same 3 adept1 heals over and over, not bothering to take full use of thier abilities. Story Time! I was playing my 58 Monk in Poet's Palace and we had a 58 Templar (60 Guard / 60 Zerk MT) and omg did this player ever make Templars look bad. Wouldn't heal the Zerk or myself if we got aggro, wouldn't stack reactives, had GoC on the Guard rather than myself or the Zerk, would be rezzing the dead Mage while the Guard was getting beaten into the red. Just did not have priorities straight. I tried to drop hints on how to more effectively play the Templar, and this person wouldn't have it (seeing as I've only been a Templar since early December 2004, was level 50 in June (playing alts alot) and 60 in October having faced the biggest and baddest solo, heroic and epic encounters, Poet's Palace and Poet's Palace the Return and holding my own in a 6 healer raid guild) and this failure to take advice after 3 wipes on content we should have breeze'd through was just stupid. Message Edited by Supernova17 on 01-01-2006 11:23 AM

12-30-2005, 10:30 PM	#1
XaiusTa Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5	I was just wondering which subclass of priests find it easier to group up. I'd like to start a character that is in high demand for groups and nothing is in higher demand than a priest. Just wonder which one is best for groups. Thnx.

12-30-2005, 11:12 PM	#3
Espyderman Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 175	Templars and Furies and their evil cohorts are mostly used in group formations, also Mystics but there just isnt a ton of em around. I think Wardens dont exist anymore.....so we dont see em around anywhere so no real comment there. Message Edited by Espyderman on 12-30-2005 10:13 AM

12-31-2005, 05:55 AM	#5
kenji Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 718	pick fury, most things u can do for you and your group, not only "just a healer"

12-31-2005, 11:10 AM	#6
RedFeather General Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 408	If it's getting invited into a group quickly that you're after, it's more about the priest population on your server. Just tagging yourself can get you invites quickly regardless of what class you pick, so long as there aren't that many priests in your level range online at the moment.

12-31-2005, 09:25 PM	#7
Supernova17 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,317	Most groups are happy to get ANY healer, they rarely care so long as they have on. This isn't 100%, but it's the popular opinion atm. Fun Factor: Druid Raid Demand Factor: Cleric and Shaman

01-02-2006, 01:56 AM	#11
Caethre Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,167	OOC. I won't comment on raid-settings, as that's not my thing. But for normal groups there is absolutely no doubt in my mind - take a Fury. Taking a Templar if you have a Fury as an option is plain dumb IMO, as things stand now. Felishanna [54 Templar] Annaelisa [56 Fury] __________________ Countess Felishanna Silorielenwe [92/320 Templar\|92 Sage](Koada`Dal) Lady Lorianna Ardinwena [92/320 Monk\|92 Carpenter](Koada`Dal) Lady Suzanna Narinyaare [92/320 Conjuror\|92 Woodworker](Koada`Dal) Lady Annaelisa Lorinfinlinde [92/320 Fury\|92 Tailor](Koada`Dal) Lady Silvianna [92/320 Illusionist\|92 Jeweler](Koada`Dal) Jennianna [92/320 Dirge\|92 Weaponsmith](Koada`Dal) Aurielle [92/320 Wizard\|92 Alchemist](Koada`Dal) Valerianna [92/320 Guardian\|92 Armourer](Koada`Dal) Sarahanna [92/320 Swashbuckler\|92 Provisioner](Koada`Dal) Katherianna [92/286 Beserker\|92 Sage](Koada`Dal) Guildleader of The True Path - A roleplay-based guild (level 77) on Antonia Bayle

01-02-2006, 02:15 AM	#12
Arielle Nightshade Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,727	/hug Des!! Miss you ..but DEFINiTELY know why you went to Kithicor!! WRT your story..GAH! I've had higher level healers trying to tell me how to heal...when neither healer I have is the class they play. Nothing more annoying than a Templar that won't heal. There's more aggro now for Templars than there was before, but..having grown up as a druid..TRUST me when I say it's nowhere near as much as it could be. Nothing worse than a lvl 60 noob, huh? LOL

01-02-2006, 03:44 AM	#13
TunaBoo Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,507	Raidwise you want non-cleric as there are usually too many clerics around. XP wise not a big deal. __________________ www.spiralguild.com

01-02-2006, 05:19 AM	#14
Supernova17 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,317	TunaBoo wrote:Raidwise you want non-cleric as there are usually too many clerics around. XP wise not a big deal. Not anymore, as evidenced by Cathere, every healer who likes flavor of the month opinions has rolled a Fury. Cath, my Fury is 55, I dont see the big freaking deal about them. Slowwwwwww recasts on the nukes, granted they do hit harder. Small heals that cast faster, but are not mana efficient, weak buffs for defensive, decent buffs for melee dps. The only thing I like about him is Group Regen vs Group Reactive. They're quite balanced, too bad you're too biased to see this. Might be alot running around on Lavastorm, but Clerics are limited on Kithicor. Most of the weak ones have been culled thank goodness.

01-02-2006, 07:59 AM	#15
RedFeather General Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 408	Supernova17 wrote: Not anymore, as evidenced by Cathere, every healer who likes flavor of the month opinions has rolled a Fury. Cath, my Fury is 55, I dont see the big freaking deal about them. Slowwwwwww recasts on the nukes, granted they do hit harder. Small heals that cast faster, but are not mana efficient, weak buffs for defensive, decent buffs for melee dps. The only thing I like about him is Group Regen vs Group Reactive. They're quite balanced, too bad you're too biased to see this. Might be alot running around on Lavastorm, but Clerics are limited on Kithicor. Most of the weak ones have been culled thank goodness. I have no feelings about how furies and clerics compare to one another. You just sparked a strange observation I never picked up on. I've known half a dozen furies, all were women. Just a coincidence, I know. I had a male druid on the Test server. That was it. You just helped me realize that I've never bumped into a male fury in my travels.:smileysurprised:

01-02-2006, 08:24 AM	#16
Caethre Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,167	OOC. Supernova17 wrote: TunaBoo wrote: Raidwise you want non-cleric as there are usually too many clerics around. XP wise not a big deal. As I said, I won't comment on raids. But for XP groups, in most normal groups, you will get more XP grouped with a Fury than with a Templar. In some groups, the gain will be small, in others, large. Not anymore, as evidenced by Cathere, every healer who likes flavor of the month opinions has rolled a Fury. This remark seems slanted to deride me, and to deride anyone who has made the same choice. I do not ever chase "the flavor of the month" as you put it, or change classes at the drop of a hat. I could say more, but this of yours remark seems simply designed to insult. Cath, my Fury is 55, I dont see the big freaking deal about them. Slowwwwwww recasts on the nukes, granted they do hit harder. The result of the "hitting harder" despite "longer recast times" is double or more DPS. At Level 55, its more like triple or more, at least on multi-mob encounters. No big deal you think? For someone who can heal just as well as you can, I'd say 3x DPS was a big deal, personally. [Fury has] Small heals that cast faster, but are not mana efficient, The heals are fine. I've not yet noticed any difference in healing power/capability between Templar and Fury. Of course, the mechanics are somewhat different, and it affects what I cast and when, and I have to be more attentive on the Fury (whereas healing with a Templar is a piece of cake), but the overall effect on healing power seems to be about the same. The only difference is, when I get to cast spells over and above heals to help my group kills things, as a Fury, I bring SO MUCH MORE than my (or anyones) Templar can. [Fury has] weak buffs for defensive, True, weaker than cleric by some margin. This is the ONLY thing of any value that the Templar can do better infact. But has that made any real difference? Actually, no, it hasn't. Defence is not very important in EQ2 right now in most group settings. [Fury has] decent buffs for melee dps. And for caster DPS too, which is important to me as most of my more common groupmates seem to play casters. Very decent indeed. The Fury blows the Templar out of the water in this area, like in DPS. And you didn't even mention all the non-combat utility that groups love. The only thing I like about him is Group Regen vs Group Reactive. Well, this is not far from even either. They're quite balanced, too bad you're too biased to see this. Oh no, back to the insults I see. "Biased"? Sounds like "not agreeing with you" means "biased" here. I have made a genuine balanced assessment, and presented data, observations and commentary, over three months, on many threads. many others have reported the same. A few naysayers have said otherwise, been effectively proven wrong, but keep saying their thing anyway. Well, fine, but this response is just personal sniping. You are entitled to see the two classes as "balanced" if you wish, even if all the evidence says otherwise. I know you are a raider. Remember, I am not talking about raids, I never was, nor about the uber-top-end hardcore stuff - I'm referring to normal everyday content that most of us play almost every day. This means soloing, small groups of 2 and 3, and casual groups of up to six players, doing quests, exploring, and killing for XP on normal things. Templars should not be FORCED to only be balanced on specific target types or for specific playstyles, and accept being weaker for everything else. Pre-LU13, the Templar class was in its correct relative place. That is the class we all chose. But now, I will bring more to a normal group as a Fury than any Templar of equivalent gear ever could (including myself, and including you, whether you like it or not). And when I'm soloing, like one seems to be expected to do for all these long DoF quest lines, Furies leave said Templars for dead. If you or anyone else truely believes for such content, the Templar class is in its rightful place, we are never going to agree. However, you can bet for absolute certain, those who agree with me, who I believe to be most Templars, are going to go on and on and on about this, until it is fixed. Might be alot running around on Lavastorm, but Clerics are limited on Kithicor. Most of the weak ones have been culled thank goodness. I cannot comment on servers I am not playing on. But have the "weak ones" been "culled"? Are you referring derisorily to all "casual-style players" as "weak ones"? Or just to those who have realized how weak the Templar class is in that playstyle? Anyway, is it the "weak ones" who have "stayed behind"? I would suggest, the latter, actually. Your mileage may vary. __________________ Countess Felishanna Silorielenwe [92/320 Templar\|92 Sage](Koada`Dal) Lady Lorianna Ardinwena [92/320 Monk\|92 Carpenter](Koada`Dal) Lady Suzanna Narinyaare [92/320 Conjuror\|92 Woodworker](Koada`Dal) Lady Annaelisa Lorinfinlinde [92/320 Fury\|92 Tailor](Koada`Dal) Lady Silvianna [92/320 Illusionist\|92 Jeweler](Koada`Dal) Jennianna [92/320 Dirge\|92 Weaponsmith](Koada`Dal) Aurielle [92/320 Wizard\|92 Alchemist](Koada`Dal) Valerianna [92/320 Guardian\|92 Armourer](Koada`Dal) Sarahanna [92/320 Swashbuckler\|92 Provisioner](Koada`Dal) Katherianna [92/286 Beserker\|92 Sage](Koada`Dal) Guildleader of The True Path - A roleplay-based guild (level 77) on Antonia Bayle

01-02-2006, 11:56 AM	#17
Suite Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 198	XaiusTain wrote: I was just wondering which subclass of priests find it easier to group up. I'd like to start a character that is in high demand for groups and nothing is in higher demand than a priest. Just wonder which one is best for groups. Thnx. I play each type of healer and two of the druid types (one fury, one warden). All have no trouble getting a group. Suite / Eliana __________________

01-02-2006, 05:22 PM	#18
Supernova17 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,317	REMOVED DUE TO INAPPROPRIATE CONTENT Message Edited by Raijinn Thunderguard on 01-03-2006 05:08 PM

01-02-2006, 05:49 PM	#19
Tash 1 General Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 240	I think Its just as easy to get a group either with my Fury or my Templar. The templar though seem to attract better groups that know what they are doing. While my fury sometimes ends up in groups that’s says “Great almost full tem lets just get a healer”… lol My templar IS the better healer and I can keep almost any no maniac group alive I seem to be welcome in groups over 5-7 levels higher and can heal that group good enough. (But I have to work my as of!) So I think people that really wants a healer looks first for Templars second for other. But expect hard work and high demands ->Supernova17 I feel that Cath maybe like me really love our Templars and moan in anguish over the unfair that we feel have befallen us. If they just could give us some skills so we can be such a fun class to play as we deserve to be /Tash __________________

01-02-2006, 05:50 PM	#20
Caethre Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,167	OOC. I am a Templar player. I wish to see the Templar class fixed. These are the official Templar forums for Sony, and this is the Templar board. If any of us wish to post, and keep posting, feedback to SoE on our continued observations on our class, we will do so. Personal attacks are not acceptable. If someone is not interested in reading remarks and observations they do not agree with, because they hold an extreme point of view and do not care about the observations and needs of players other than themselves and those who play the same playstyle, they would be advised not to read the forums at all. Getting our class fixed and playable again for ALL OF OUR COMMUNITY, not just the hardcore element, is too important. Some of us don't care about that. However, there are those of us who do, and we will post all the comparative data and comments to support our case. Felishanna / Annaelisa __________________ Countess Felishanna Silorielenwe [92/320 Templar\|92 Sage](Koada`Dal) Lady Lorianna Ardinwena [92/320 Monk\|92 Carpenter](Koada`Dal) Lady Suzanna Narinyaare [92/320 Conjuror\|92 Woodworker](Koada`Dal) Lady Annaelisa Lorinfinlinde [92/320 Fury\|92 Tailor](Koada`Dal) Lady Silvianna [92/320 Illusionist\|92 Jeweler](Koada`Dal) Jennianna [92/320 Dirge\|92 Weaponsmith](Koada`Dal) Aurielle [92/320 Wizard\|92 Alchemist](Koada`Dal) Valerianna [92/320 Guardian\|92 Armourer](Koada`Dal) Sarahanna [92/320 Swashbuckler\|92 Provisioner](Koada`Dal) Katherianna [92/286 Beserker\|92 Sage](Koada`Dal) Guildleader of The True Path - A roleplay-based guild (level 77) on Antonia Bayle

01-02-2006, 06:10 PM	#21
Twizzel Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 122	Supernova17 wrote: Sorry Cath, I just see you as a hipporcrite and it's annoying. Why do you keep comming to the TEMPLAR boards and post how much better FURIES are, *when this fourm is for actively playing Templars to discuss problems / issues,* provide tips and strategies and help each other out. I'm sick and tired of seeing you with a shelved Templar comming in here and posting in probably half of the threads about Fury this, Fury that, and I along with others are sick of it. Why can we not focus on the TEMPLAR class in the TEMPLAR FOURM? Why must there always be comparison to Fury remarks and Fury is better yada yada? I wan't to see all of us here working on Templar related issues and how to work-around or fix them. Sometimes I regret not having rolled an Inquisitor, their fourms are much much more focused, united and intent on their own class, rather than others. The Furies have a fourm of their own, use it. Well, you haven't completely missed the reason, have you? You just stated it here...board is for *PROBLEMS* with Templars! I would guess that if Templars DID get fixed, many of us would dust off our Templars and begin playing them again... I am not going to restate the problems with Tempars here, yet again, since they have been explained in great detail in other places, thanks to Caethre and others like her taking the time to provide empirical evidence on how broken Templars are relative to other Priests. We should not have to "work around" issues to play a class. If you wan to reroll an Inquisitor, what is stopping you? I see you say they are intent on their own class. Hmmm...how would they know anything is wrong with their class if they aren't comparing them to some other class? Oh, and also, why would you tell others they can't read the Templar boards when they aren't "actively" playing a Templar when you apparently frequent the Inquisitor boards without having an Inquisitor? Some of us invested a great deal of time into our Templars before the entire concept of Templar was pulled out from under us. If not for some vocal folks who don't appreciate it, soon EQ2 will become SWG and 16 classes will become 4...but I am guessing that is what some that post here that "all is fine" really want anyway...

01-02-2006, 09:38 PM	#22
Tanit General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 611	XaiusTain wrote: I was just wondering which subclass of priests find it easier to group up. I'd like to start a character that is in high demand for groups and nothing is in higher demand than a priest. Just wonder which one is best for groups. Thnx. I dont think any priest class is more in demand than the other. Groups, on my server, are usually happy to find 1 priest lfg. All priests are able to keep a group alive alone, so it doesnt really matter. Just pick the class you like playing. Ofcourse if you like to solo clerics/shamans arent really a good choice (imo), but i guess not since you're asking for groups.Funny to see fury dps mentioned yet again. That's only really relevant when soloing, fury dps is too weak in groups to even notice the difference. __________________ Tethra of Xanadu - Runnyeye. Xanadu Raid Loot Database

01-03-2006, 01:51 AM	#23
TunaBoo Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,507	Fury raises group dps by a lot, and has very decent nukes in a group, its definately noticable if played by a good fury. __________________ www.spiralguild.com

01-03-2006, 03:02 AM	#24
Tanit General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 611	TunaBoo wrote:Fury raises group dps by a lot, and has very decent nukes in a group, its definately noticable if played by a good fury. I suppose it helps a bit if you're in a crappy group(setup), but in my experience mobs drop so fast that the priest choice doesn't matter. Message Edited by Tanith_ on 01-02-2006 11:03 PM __________________ Tethra of Xanadu - Runnyeye. Xanadu Raid Loot Database

01-03-2006, 03:24 AM	#25
TunaBoo Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,507	Depends, in a trio mobs take longer to drop. __________________ www.spiralguild.com

01-03-2006, 04:46 AM	#26
Caethre Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,167	OOC. Tanith_ wrote: Funny to see fury dps mentioned yet again. That's only really relevant when soloing, fury dps is too weak in groups to even notice the difference. Well, I couldn't disagree more, and playing both, the difference is very significant and obvious in most normal groups. It is especially true when fighting against mobs where the Fury can cast AE nukes on multiple targets. Indeed, groupmates who notice such things do comment upon it. Either you are grouping with some pretty awful Furies, or you are not talking about normal groups where the Fury is both healing and also has power for nuking too (that is, groups of 2-6 players, yes that includes from Duos up to groups of six) against normal content (for trios, thats even con heroics, for more, might be yellow con heroics). If you are talking just about the very highest end uber-groups fighting in situations where the priest is only healing and has no power to contribue further, sure, it won't show then, but the rest of us are not talking about that tiny percentage of groups. __________________ Countess Felishanna Silorielenwe [92/320 Templar\|92 Sage](Koada`Dal) Lady Lorianna Ardinwena [92/320 Monk\|92 Carpenter](Koada`Dal) Lady Suzanna Narinyaare [92/320 Conjuror\|92 Woodworker](Koada`Dal) Lady Annaelisa Lorinfinlinde [92/320 Fury\|92 Tailor](Koada`Dal) Lady Silvianna [92/320 Illusionist\|92 Jeweler](Koada`Dal) Jennianna [92/320 Dirge\|92 Weaponsmith](Koada`Dal) Aurielle [92/320 Wizard\|92 Alchemist](Koada`Dal) Valerianna [92/320 Guardian\|92 Armourer](Koada`Dal) Sarahanna [92/320 Swashbuckler\|92 Provisioner](Koada`Dal) Katherianna [92/286 Beserker\|92 Sage](Koada`Dal) Guildleader of The True Path - A roleplay-based guild (level 77) on Antonia Bayle

01-03-2006, 05:50 AM	#27
kenji Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 718	Tanith_ wrote: Funny to see fury dps mentioned yet again. That's only really relevant when soloing, fury dps is too weak in groups to even notice the difference. ----------------------------------- u only based on real dps class vs priest dps. sure the dps is too weak lol com'on u know how to compare priest vs priest dps right?

01-03-2006, 08:26 AM	#28
Tanit General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 611	TunaBoo wrote:Depends, in a trio mobs take longer to drop. Ofcourse then it matters a lot more, but i'm asuming the op talks about full groups. __________________ Tethra of Xanadu - Runnyeye. Xanadu Raid Loot Database

01-03-2006, 08:36 AM	#29
Tanit General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 611	Caethre wrote:OOC. Well, I couldn't disagree more, and playing both, the difference is very significant and obvious in most normal groups. It is especially true when fighting against mobs where the Fury can cast AE nukes on multiple targets. Indeed, groupmates who notice such things do comment upon it. Either you are grouping with some pretty awful Furies, or you are not talking about normal groups where the Fury is both healing and also has power for nuking too (that is, groups of 2-6 players, yes that includes from Duos up to groups of six) against normal content (for trios, thats even con heroics, for more, might be yellow con heroics). If you are talking just about the very highest end uber-groups fighting in situations where the priest is only healing and has no power to contribue further, sure, it won't show then, but the rest of us are not talking about that tiny percentage of groups. In duo's the dps of all classes matter a lot, but i was talking about full groups. I can only speak from my own experience where mobs died extremely fast. Just a matter of a good group setup, dont see whats so uber about that. When i talk about groups i mean a full one, not tiny ones with 2-3 players. I agree that in those groups the priest dps will matter. __________________ Tethra of Xanadu - Runnyeye. Xanadu Raid Loot Database

01-03-2006, 08:40 AM	#30
Tanit General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 611	kenjiso wrote: u only based on real dps class vs priest dps. sure the dps is too weak lol com'on u know how to compare priest vs priest dps right? You can't look at 2 classes without seeing the whole picture (a group). If you talk about soloing you can, but the op is asking about groups. Anyway. don't need to have yet another templar/fury discussion, i think there are plenty of those in other threads. Message Edited by Tanith_ on 01-03-2006 04:42 AM __________________ Tethra of Xanadu - Runnyeye. Xanadu Raid Loot Database