So I went to the Dark Side.

[Cowdenic]

And let me tell you, OMG. SO now I have this little Fury running around. She is soooooooooo Ub3R L33t54Uc3. Way better than my Templar. Thanks for all the great times all, but the only thing I will be using my Templar on, is farming for my fury.

 

Thanks all. Was fun being a Templar (not) but I have found a "Real Healer" to play now. Good luck on your struggle.

 

X

[MadisonPark]

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Cowdenicus wrote:

And let me tell you, OMG. SO now I have this little Fury running around. She is soooooooooo Ub3R L33t54Uc3. Way better than my Templar. Thanks for all the great times all, but the only thing I will be using my Templar on, is farming for my fury.

 

Thanks all. Was fun being a Templar (not) but I have found a "Real Healer" to play now. Good luck on your struggle.

 

X

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Best of luck.

[Mat]

see you again when the candy hits templar, kid 

 

[Quijonsith]

you say "real healer" as if templars are having issues in that area.  other than our "utility" healing, there are no issues.  you found equivalent healing ability (though different situations) with superior DPS and actual utility.  You may not have liked your templar, but don't insult us by implying we can't heal.

[Cowdenic]

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Quijonsith wrote:
you say "real healer" as if templars are having issues in that area.  other than our "utility" healing, there are no issues.  you found equivalent healing ability (though different situations) with superior DPS and actual utility.  You may not have liked your templar, but don't insult us by implying we can't heal.

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exactly. And what I meant by "Real Healer" is there is more to being a Cleric than just healing. I mean I love to smite the idiots like anybody else. Hey I am a Cleric, a very very high leveled Cleric, where is my ability to utterly destroy (turn) Undead. Where is my power of prayer in this game. My power is DIVINE based. Is this the best the Gods have to offer? No wonder they are all gone. They were probably killed off by a Fury and a Berserker Duo.

[Antryg Mistrose]

Flavour of the month seems to be to roll a Fury to gloat/compare to high level templars. Until these furies are at a comparable level to the templar you are PutingOnHold/Deleting I'd hold off on getting too enthusiastic - at low levels everything is easier/faster - Even templars can solo sorta. Me, I'm going Dirge :smileywink:

[Caethre]

OOC.

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Antryg Mistrose wrote:
Flavour of the month seems to be to roll a Fury to gloat/compare to high level templars.

Until these furies are at a comparable level to the templar you are PutingOnHold/Deleting I'd hold off on getting too enthusiastic - at low levels everything is easier/faster - Even templars can solo sorta.

Me, I'm going Dirge :smileywink:

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You have a point, it is 'flavour of the month'.

 

That said, anyone backing some of us not reaching the top levels in the game as a Fury as well in the next couple of months, better be getting some good odds on those bets, because for some of us, when we set our minds to something, it happens.

 

And yes, also agreed, things are faster at lower levels for every class. That said, those of us with high level Templars have already done the low level path on the way as Templars too, so we can compare.

 

Felishanna [53 Templar]

Annelisa [32 Fury] .. watch this space.

 

[AzraelAzgard]

Haha I can heal more than any Fury I know in any space of time.

I think your just not very good at being a Templar.

[Timaarit]

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AzraelAzgard wrote:

Haha I can heal more than any Fury I know in any space of time.

I think your just not very good at being a Templar.

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Ok, here is a challenge to you. Go fight those AoE mobs with full group and try saying the same. My bet is that the fury outheals you from 4 to 1 all the way to 6 to 1. Or go fight those raid mobs. You know the ones who hit rarely but hard. You sit on your reactives and desperately cast your direct heals while HoT's tick more thatn you can heal plus the fury might be casting direct heals too. But then you must suck at being a templar...

[SenorPhrog]

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Cowdenicus wrote:

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Quijonsith wrote:
you say "real healer" as if templars are having issues in that area.  other than our "utility" healing, there are no issues.  you found equivalent healing ability (though different situations) with superior DPS and actual utility.  You may not have liked your templar, but don't insult us by implying we can't heal.

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exactly. And what I meant by "Real Healer" is there is more to being a Cleric than just healing. I mean I love to smite the idiots like anybody else. Hey I am a Cleric, a very very high leveled Cleric, where is my ability to utterly destroy (turn) Undead. Where is my power of prayer in this game. My power is DIVINE based. Is this the best the Gods have to offer? No wonder they are all gone. They were probably killed off by a Fury and a Berserker Duo.

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I could have sworn you were a "Templar" and not a "Cleric."   That must be the EQ1 talking....

[Kendricke]

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Caethre wrote:
OOC.

You have a point, it is 'flavour of the month'.

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Well, I don't see everyone rushing out to make a Mystic or even Warden, do you?

 

It's my opinion that there's always a certain percentage of any game population that will stick with a class through the natural ebbs and flows of an MMORPG's life cycle...and then there's the players who apparantly need to have that perceived "king of the hill" position in the one class that is supposedly that much better than all the rest. 

 

Right now, I hear a lot of people are switching to Conjurors, Swashbucklers, and Monks as well (in addition to Furies), citing how "fun" these classes suddenly are (instead of some of the old "flavours of the month", like Warlocks, Assassins, and Guardians). 

 

In another month or so when the tweaks and changes actually go in to finally balance the classes a bit more, I believe we'll suddenly see many of those "retired" Templars back here...likely even patting themselves on the back for "causing" the changes.  I've seen it happen dozens of times elsewhere.  Why would this time be different?

 

 

 

 

[KingOfF00LS]

Just don't delete the Templar.  You may end up wanting to play it again some day if the "We Are Fine" brigade loses and the class gets balanced.  Just have fun with your new character for now and leave the Templar on the back burner.

Message Edited by KingOfF00LS on 11-08-2005 11:37 AM

[Sokolov]

**REMOVED FLAME BAIT**

Message Edited by Raijinn Thunderguard on 11-07-2005 12:25 PM

[Antryg Mistrose]

In another month or so when the tweaks and changes actually go in to finally balance the classes a bit more, I believe we'll suddenly see many of those "retired" Templars back here...likely even patting themselves on the back for "causing" the changes. Absolutely.  Threadbare patronising aside, This forum is one of the 2 avenues for getting problems addressed. So a big thanks will be owed to those who posted, despite the abuse and flames from the 'we are fine' brigade.

[Caethre]

OOC.

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AzraelAzgard wrote:

Haha I can heal more than any Fury I know in any space of time.

I think your just not very good at being a Templar.

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You are entitled to any opinion you choose, notably based on never having met me in game, therefore it is an unwarranted and ignorant slur. /shrug

 

For the record, I'm a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] good Templar, but I can only manage what the spells allow me to, as can anyone. Your boast is just that, however. Given equivalent gear/spells, I'd match you for healing as a Fury in any normal group, in any level range, and beat you in damage at the same time. Any time, any level.

 

I didn't say in your high end raids and fighting orange heroics, fully equipped in fabled gear, etc - thats another world, and means nothing to 99% of us. I refer to things normal players do - a normal solo/smallgroup/group setting, of between 1 and 6 players, fighting greens, blues and white cons. Hands down, I'd slaughter you (or any Templar). Not your fault, as a Templar, you just do not have the tools, the class is very weak and unbalanced.

 

But keep your head in that sand, and hide in your raidguild.

 

Felishanna / Annaelisa.

 

[KingOfF00LS]

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Sokolov wrote:

Yes, because devs decide how to fix classes based on popularity contests on the boards between fools and their monarchs.

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Not only was that poor reading comprehension, but it was just plain not nice. You're a meanie!

[Caethre]

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Kendricke wrote:

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Caethre wrote:
OOC.

You have a point, it is 'flavour of the month'.

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Well, I don't see everyone rushing out to make a Mystic or even Warden, do you?

 

It's my opinion that there's always a certain percentage of any game population that will stick with a class through the natural ebbs and flows of an MMORPG's life cycle...and then there's the players who apparantly need to have that perceived "king of the hill" position in the one class that is supposedly that much better than all the rest. 

 

Right now, I hear a lot of people are switching to Conjurors, Swashbucklers, and Monks as well (in addition to Furies), citing how "fun" these classes suddenly are (instead of some of the old "flavours of the month", like Warlocks, Assassins, and Guardians). 

 

In another month or so when the tweaks and changes actually go in to finally balance the classes a bit more, I believe we'll suddenly see many of those "retired" Templars back here...likely even patting themselves on the back for "causing" the changes.  I've seen it happen dozens of times elsewhere.  Why would this time be different?

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You are probably correct here. And as Antryg said, if our class is made balanced once more, based on the huge outcry with observations, opinions and data, flooding on to this and other forums, facts and opinions alike, we will indeed be glad we actually did it, rather than just staying silent and letting the class die as a non-raiding option.

Of course, our task is made much harder by a specific two or three posters who constantly post hundreds of "we are fine" posts, when we are so very clearly NOT fine. That only damages our class for longer, as by sheer volumn of posts, even a couple of posters can obfuscate the facts by posting endless truisms that do not address the actual problem. Sounding familiar, Kendricke?

But, until that time, I will keep levelling Annaelisa. Whilst I can solo or duo chain kill yellow cons and (sometimes) orange cons as well at ~30s per kill, endlessly, with her, I can level at an amazing rate. Much more interesting and worthwhile that killing one blue or white con mob a minute (if I'm lucky, usually its more like 75 seconds) with my Templar, or leech XP from a group with her.

I am sure the fixes will come, actually, given enough persistence on our part in reporting the data, because the difference is so staggeringly huge that SoE will not fail to notice it when they look carefully. How long that takes, however, is another matter.

Felishanna / Annaelisa.

[Kendricke]

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Antryg Mistrose wrote:
In another month or so when the tweaks and changes actually go in to finally balance the classes a bit more, I believe we'll suddenly see many of those "retired" Templars back here...likely even patting themselves on the back for "causing" the changes.

Absolutely.  Threadbare patronising aside, This forum is one of the 2 avenues for getting problems addressed.
So a big thanks will be owed to those who posted, despite the abuse and flames from the 'we are fine' brigade.

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Responding to this in a new discussion.

[Sokolov]

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Caethre wrote:OOC.

I didn't say in your high end raids and fighting orange heroics, fully equipped in fabled gear, etc - thats another world, and means nothing to 99% of us. I refer to things normal players do - a normal solo/smallgroup/group setting, of between 1 and 6 players, fighting greens, blues and white cons. Hands down, I'd slaughter you (or any Templar). Not your fault, as a Templar, you just do not have the tools, the class is very weak and unbalanced.

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I consider myself a "normal player."  I don't particularly enjoy raiding, but at the same time I do not enjoy hunting green, blues and whites.  If it's not yellow or orange  and can't kill you, it's not worth killing.  I also find it particularly annoying to see, for instance, level 45s LFG in Rivervale... move on already!  But that's a different rant for a different time. Well, maybe that makes  me not normal, lol. In any case, it's funny that I do that with a Templar as my primary healer generally.  What I am suggesting is, and this isn't fact but merely personal opinion based on personal experiences, and I would not want it protray as such, that in "high stress" situations I've put my healers through, Templars invariably come out having fared better.  And I do this a lot, I call it "trial by fire," the healers that can't cut it simply don't make the cut with me and I forget them in short order.  Those who DO make the cut often find themselves better healers after the fact, having been able to adapt to encounters of increasing difficulty.  Is it that the better healers simply chose to play a Templar?  Certainly, but that's hard to quantitfy.  I understand and respect that you feel Templars are underbalanced, however, my point thru all this has been that from my position of utilizing healers, I respectfully disagree.

[SenorPhrog]

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Antryg Mistrose wrote:
In another month or so when the tweaks and changes actually go in to finally balance the classes a bit more, I believe we'll suddenly see many of those "retired" Templars back here...likely even patting themselves on the back for "causing" the changes.

Absolutely.  Threadbare patronising aside, This forum is one of the 2 avenues for getting problems addressed.
So a big thanks will be owed to those who posted, despite the abuse and flames from the 'we are fine' brigade.

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Holy crap there is a brigade now?  I don't remember anyone saying "we are fine" but I do myself remember saying "give it a little while before doomsaying."   We've all got things we would like changed.  It was just obvious who was a little more aggressive about it.   Even the changes I'm seeing now on the Test are not the DPS cries I heard ringing everywhere.   In fact the stuff I'm seeing in the patch notes I don't really remember anyone suggesting unless "Involuntary Healer is useless" is a suggestion.

[Kendricke]

Oh right.  "Involuntary Healer is useless."  :smileywink:

[Sokolov]

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Kendricke wrote:

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Caethre wrote:OOC.

You have a point, it is 'flavour of the month'.

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Well, I don't see everyone rushing out to make a Mystic or even Warden, do you?

 

It's my opinion that there's always a certain percentage of any game population that will stick with a class through the natural ebbs and flows of an MMORPG's life cycle...and then there's the players who apparantly need to have that perceived "king of the hill" position in the one class that is supposedly that much better than all the rest. 

 

Right now, I hear a lot of people are switching to Conjurors, Swashbucklers, and Monks as well (in addition to Furies), citing how "fun" these classes suddenly are (instead of some of the old "flavours of the month", like Warlocks, Assassins, and Guardians). 

 

In another month or so when the tweaks and changes actually go in to finally balance the classes a bit more, I believe we'll suddenly see many of those "retired" Templars back here...likely even patting themselves on the back for "causing" the changes.  I've seen it happen dozens of times elsewhere.  Why would this time be different?

 

 

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See, that's my question - it seems to me that most of the issue is how Templar DPS compares to Fury DPS.  When I asked one time what about Shamans, I was told that they too should receive the same increase.  And yet only Templars are really complaining.  And the only class being compared to is Fury.  So is the problem all non-Furies?  Is it just Fury?  Or is it just Templar?  Is it just in soloing?   Or grouping too, as that changes depending on which Templar is talking?  It just seems to me there is not even a consensus on what actually is the problem (tho it typically revolves around Fury DPS).  I am not anti-change or anti-Templar, but given that I play neither Templar nor Fury, my concern is for overall priest balance.  Piecemeal fixes on a per class basis, with so many EQ2 players being nerf-phobic, doesn't seem to be an option.

[Nim]

So pointless mudslinging aside, I have to disagree that we have no utility. Ours is simply aimed at keeping the group alive and healthy. Other healers' utility either prevents damage or kills the mob faster or something along those lines. I'm not saying that the class is perfect. I just don't see it as being as broken as some of you seem to think it is. And please avoid the namecalling and talking down to people just because they happen to post more and don't aggree with you most of the time. It's immature and uncalled for.

[Kendricke]

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Nimwe wrote:
So pointless mudslinging aside, I have to disagree that we have no utility. Ours is simply aimed at keeping the group alive and healthy. Other healers' utility either prevents damage or kills the mob faster or something along those lines. I'm not saying that the class is perfect. I just don't see it as being as broken as some of you seem to think it is.
And please avoid the namecalling and talking down to people just because they happen to post more and don't aggree with you most of the time. It's immature and uncalled for.

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Thank you for this post.

I should also point out that I spent a bit more time this weekend playing with our utility.  On a lark, I decided to inform my group (which had no fighter, mind you), that I'd be NOT casting a single spell during a fight to see if my utility spells only could keep up.  I even informed them how Glory of Combat was supposed to work, put it on the two highest level melee in the group, and then let them start killing.  They started to swap hate between each other (as scouts typically do in such groups facing blue, white, and even yellowheroic ^^^ often do without a tank), and I tried to sit on my hands.  After a few seconds, the first Glory of Combat fired off...then another...and another.  In fact, it took seven fights before I had to cast ANY heals, and I chose to make it an Atoning Fate. 

That was it.  No Mark of Kings.  No Crucial Intercession.  No Reverence.  No Involuntary Healer.  No Shielding Faith.  Just two Glory of Combats fighting level 53-57 targets with a level 55 Swashbuckler leading the charge (and a 53 and 50 Swashie backing her up with a Wizard to boot).  I have the logs and I'll happily post it tonight if it's required, but I was blown away by the fact at how much my Glory of Combat actually first off.  I recommend a similar test for other Templars (just make sure to tell your group).

Please note this wasn't against raid targets or "challenging" yellow/orange targets for the most part.  No one was in "full fabled".  We were all in pretty average gear, and my Glory of Combat is only Adept I anyway.  Yet, without even lifting a single finger - not one heal, not one smite - I was healing my group anyway.

Again, don't take my word on it.  It's possible I just got lucky.  It's possible it was the only time in the history of the game that Glory of Combat actually worked that well.  Then again, it's possible we're overlooking a powerful tool in our arsenals.  Try it out and let me know how it works.  Keep the targets white or lower.  Let me know how that works out - let us all know. 

 

 

 

[Supernova17]

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Caethre wrote:
OOC.

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AzraelAzgard wrote:

Haha I can heal more than any Fury I know in any space of time.

I think your just not very good at being a Templar.

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You are entitled to any opinion you choose, notably based on never having met me in game, therefore it is an unwarranted and ignorant slur. /shrug

 

For the record, I'm a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] good Templar, but I can only manage what the spells allow me to, as can anyone. Your boast is just that, however. Given equivalent gear/spells, I'd match you for healing as a Fury in any normal group, in any level range, and beat you in damage at the same time. Any time, any level.

 

I didn't say in your high end raids and fighting orange heroics, fully equipped in fabled gear, etc - thats another world, and means nothing to 99% of us. I refer to things normal players do - a normal solo/smallgroup/group setting, of between 1 and 6 players, fighting greens, blues and white cons. Hands down, I'd slaughter you (or any Templar). Not your fault, as a Templar, you just do not have the tools, the class is very weak and unbalanced.

 

But keep your head in that sand, and hide in your raidguild.

 

Felishanna / Annaelisa.

 

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**REMOVED FLAME BAIT** It's situational at best, and for the only kind of healing that matters, healing the tank (provided Plate class), Templars win hands down.

Message Edited by Raijinn Thunderguard on 11-07-2005 12:28 PM

[Caethre]

OOC.

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Supernova17 wrote:

If you think a Fury would slaughter a Templar in healing, you actually don't know how to play the class. It's situational at best, and for the only kind of healing that matters, healing the tank (provided Plate class), Templars win hands down.

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Do not misquote me to mangle my message. I did not say or imply "slaughter in healing". I said "slaughter" in a general sense, in all-round contribution to a group, which packages all a Fury can do as opposed to all a Templar can.

 

Or let's sum it up this way - I would gain a LOT more XP per hour in a normal XP grind session, whether soloing or in a duo/trio, or even in a full group (though te impact gets less as the group size rises of course) as a Fury than as a Templar, and so would those other group members, so much so, that in the smaller groups especially, those people would be insane to choose a Templar over a Fury, all other things being equal. That is not balance! It just leads me to feel when playing Templar, that no matter how 'good' I might be, I am letting down my groupmates by just "being" a Templar, compared to being a Fury.

 

[Sokolov]

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Caethre wrote:OOC.

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Supernova17 wrote:If you think a Fury would slaughter a Templar in healing, you actually don't know how to play the class. It's situational at best, and for the only kind of healing that matters, healing the tank (provided Plate class), Templars win hands down.

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Do not misquote me to mangle my message. I did not say or imply "slaughter in healing". I said "slaughter" in a general sense, in all-round contribution to a group, which packages all a Fury can do as opposed to all a Templar can.

 

Or let's sum it up this way - I would gain a LOT more XP per hour in a normal XP grind session, whether soloing or in a duo/trio, or even in a full group (though te impact gets less as the group size rises of course) as a Fury than as a Templar, and so would those other group members, so much so, that in the smaller groups especially, those people would be insane to choose a Templar over a Fury, all other things being equal. That is not balance! It just leads me to feel when playing Templar, that no matter how 'good' I might be, I am letting down my groupmates by just "being" a Templar, compared to being a Fury.

 

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I should point out you were responding to a post about healing differences.  Thus it is natural for anyone reading to presume your response would be in kind.  I must admit that I too read it that way.  I highly doubt she (edit: or he) intended to misread you or misquote your message, no need to get hostile.

Message Edited by Sokolov on 11-07-2005 07:44 AM

[Caethre]

OOC.

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Sokolov wrote:

See, that's my question - it seems to me that most of the issue is how Templar DPS compares to Fury DPS.  When I asked one time what about Shamans ...

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It is a fair point, and I am certain these issues will affect more than just Templars. I personally post on Templar vs Fury because Fury was what I assessed would be the "strongest" when just under 3 weeks ago I decided to actually level up a second priest to learn what they could do. So for me personally, I post about Furies because I am now playing a Fury, in the same settings I once played a Templar.

 

I cannot comment directly on Shamans, for example, simply because I do not play one, but I would be surprised if this general balancing of healing and of no other aspect of priest contribution has not caused overall imbalance between some of the other priest classes too.

 

However, pardon me for this, but my personal concern is for my own class, Templar, and it is with the aim of pointing out to the developers just how massively underbalanced Templars are right now, compared to other priests (and I am using my experiences as a Fury to show this). I will leave others to point out imbalance and issues for their own classes, as we all have the same posting privileges. For example, if some shamans start their own comparisons with, for example, Furies, I will not be posting on the Shaman board about that, as frankly I would be uninformed, since I have never played one.

 

Felishanna / Annaelisa

[Kendricke]

A man I respect greatly once told me that "People are like electricity.  They tend to follow the path of least resistance."

There's always going to be a path of least resistance which will be found by the playerbase.  This month it's conjurors and furies.  Next month?  Who knows.

The point is that if we're looking for the absolute most optimal path to advance quickest from 1-60 in the shortest amount of time, then there's always going to be reasons to take a Fury over a Templar.  If you're interested in looking at differences in the amount of experience gain in an hour by hour basis in "powerplayer" style grouping situations, then yes, absolutely the Fury is going to look more attractive - at the moment - over any other type of healer (not just Templars).  I've been in groups that didn't even require healing at all, though.  At which point, the argument becomes whether or not to include a Fury or another Conjuror or Warlock. 

Honestly, we can keep up the DPS argument regarding typical grouping situations, and eventually decide that the absolute best group is composed of 6 mages (or some similar configuration).  Does that mean that Furies are suddenly not balanced out because mass Warlock groups are better at taking out full encounters filled with green, blue, and white targets?  Should we even have other classes at that point?

What about 6 Swashbucklers?  I've been in a group with four...and frankly I felt as if I was unnecessary at all.  This group didn't require hardly ANY healing.  They kept swapping out hate and stun locking adds.  Kills were FAST.  Does that mean priests are unnecessary because I can find situations where healing simply wasn't needed?  Of course not.

I'm glad Furies have more damage than I do.  I love grouping with Furies.  So far as I can tell, Furies love grouping with Templars.  Why not?  Templars tend to give Furies more time to cast damage spells.  Furies tend to make my groups more powerful.  It's a great combination.  Then again, so are Templars and Mystics...or Mystics and Wardens...or Wardens and Defilers...or Defilers and Inquisitors...

I'm not arguing that Furies don't have more DPS.  I absolutely agree that they've always had more.  I'm not arguing that they don't solo faster.  I absolutely agree that Furies solo faster.  Then again, I'm not going to argue that Templars are suddenly unnecessary just because this grind group or that grind group can do this many percent better per hour because they took a Fury over a Templar.   

If a group is looking for a healer to hit something challenging, I tend to get invited more often than not.  If a group only requires "adequate" healing, then I might get passed over (though this certainly isn't always the case).  It's all so very situational.  If you want X, you grab someone who possesses X.  If damage is all you need, then yes, absolutely a Fury will be better than a Templar...but then again a Paladin may be better than that Fury...or even an Illusionist might be better...or a Conjuror...or a Warlock. 

 

I think Furies are very valuable.  I also think Templars are.  I would happen to think that most players would agree with that line of thinking, but on that I can't say for certain.  Obviously I'm biased into thinking others believe as I do...that's natural human instinct.  However, I can't seem to wrap my head around the idea that others don't appreciate Templars still. 

 

We were never meant to be the only healing choice.  We were meant to be a choice, though.  In most challenging situations, I know I'd rather be on my 53 Templar than my fiance's level 50 Fury (we've levelled up together since Beta).  That's my personal choice.  Other Templars may choose a different path...such as those who've "retired" their Templars to play as Furies.  I wish them luck and much success.  It's not my path...but if it's making them happier, then that's still a good thing.

 

Competition is a good thing.  I, for one, am glad to see that other priests actually have a fighting chance at group spots for primary healer now.  I may be in the minority on that view, but I truly feel it's what should have been the case all along.

 

 

[Suite]

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Cowdenicus wrote:

And let me tell you, OMG. SO now I have this little Fury running around. She is soooooooooo Ub3R L33t54Uc3. Way better than my Templar. Thanks for all the great times all, but the only thing I will be using my Templar on, is farming for my fury.

 

Thanks all. Was fun being a Templar (not) but I have found a "Real Healer" to play now. Good luck on your struggle.

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How funny. I'm leveling my fury, also.

In beta I had one of every type of healer on the good side. I carried this over into the game once it went live, playing a warden, mystic, and templar. The templar turned out to be the most powerful and efficient healer, so I stuck with the templar as my main (as many of you did).

Now that the templar is no longer the best healer, and in fact has the least to recommend it as a priest class, I too am on the dark side playing a fury. The inquisitor, sad to say, has little more to recommend it than the templar, so I parked the inquisitor. I had already deleted my evil shaman, leaving only a warden and a fury to play.

I am leveling the fury and the warden together and will report back when I have sufficient levels to compare (which, in my way of thinking and playing, would be in the mid-40s).

But I'm with all who left their templars to try another priest class. Yes, I still love my templar. I think my Eliana will always be my favorite in appearance and original abilities. But she's not what she was, and no amount of people saying that the unhappy templars suck as players is going to change my mind. I have played high level healers in nearly every MMORPG, taking most to the last level of the game, and some within 3-4 levels of the end game. I know how to heal, thanks, and think I am a pretty objective reporter of healing ability from game to game. And what happened to the templar in this game was just wrong.

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