Why were pets nerfed w/o notifying in the patch notes?

Vanyel · 08-16-2006, 09:19 PM

I'm a necro and most of my pets recently just had their HPs about halved and mitigation raised ONLY about 25%. I posses my pets now and then and examine my spells to see if there are nefs that SOE isn't annoucing fully.. and I just found one. The mitigation boost does not compensate for the HP nerf. I've talk to Conjurers and the same thing has been done to thier pets too

eburgos · 08-16-2006, 09:57 PM

are you talking about the tank pet? or all pets?

Vanyel · 08-16-2006, 10:02 PM

Nope ALL the pets had this done to them. All their spell abilities also had dmg reduced as well

If they are gonna do a nerf, they should have the guts to annouce it to the public instead of quietly sticking it someplace where people don't usually look

Message Edited by Vanyel on 08-16-2006 11:03 AM

slyfer · 08-16-2006, 10:26 PM

Can someone post pics of the pets persona window and the abilities before and after this updated to see what has changed?

KBern · 08-16-2006, 10:53 PM

When did this supposedly happen? My DPS seemed somewhat lower last night no matter what I did, but I chalked it up to resists or mobs just dying fast or lag, whatever...

latrocin · 08-16-2006, 11:59 PM

Yep I noticed this also... I can take a 3^^^ green named with 4 (1or 2 down)adds easy and I could not take 1 named with no adds last night he ate through my pets HP in seconds I filled bug and they said there has been changes made and if I did not agree with them I could file another bug using as many details as I can and the DEV team will look into it.. If this is a change that they made fine I agree with I should not be able to solo group mobs even 10 levels below me. They are meant for a group incounter not my pet and I. What I don't agree with is the change was made in secret and nothing was really listed out in the open. Our scout pet nerf was atleast out in the open.. *flame suit on*

Message Edited by latrocinor on 08-16-2006 01:00 PM

Vanyel · 08-17-2006, 01:14 AM

Apparently this was done in the last few weeks.. I just noticed it today.. So I'm guessing in the last LU update.. but there's ZERO notes on this being done.I wouldn't put it past them to change it and hope people don't notice to prevent a huge outcry

latrocin · 08-17-2006, 01:28 AM

^^^

Yep same here I just notcied also

backya · 08-17-2006, 07:32 AM

pets mitigation was totaly removed, pets attacks, nerfed, pets health, raised but only to be eaten in seconds my green mobs. our pets are jokes, they take the full damage from any attack and have no resist.

latrocin · 08-17-2006, 08:52 AM

^^^

Yeah I agree but I found I can take yello average with my mage pet now using roots but I can no longer take green 3 ups.. nothing game breaking for me but I know alot of people will be upset

Kemi · 08-17-2006, 10:52 AM

This is total garbage. Why would that type of change be done in the shadows. It is not like we are the only class that can solo ^^^heroics 10 levels below us. I guess every other class can expect a shadow nerf as well...

Colossaltitan · 08-17-2006, 01:01 PM

Keming wrote:

I guess every other class can expect a shadow nerf as well...

Not likely, although several classes are overpowered, most manage to notice the Summoner one the most.

Although this change sucks I can only agree on them nerfing our class a bit more.

slyfer · 08-17-2006, 05:10 PM

Colossaltitan wrote:

Keming wrote:

I guess every other class can expect a shadow nerf as well...

Not likely, although several classes are overpowered, most manage to notice the Summoner one the most.

Although this change sucks I can only agree on them nerfing our class a bit more.

Its fine that they nerf us some but they did it in the wrong way.

1. Not telling us Pet health/Mitigation was changed. I don't understand this change anyway. Our pets really can't take a hit anyways. I was wondering why I was getting owned by the Named Bixie a few days ago.

2. Our pet dps I have no problem with being nerfed, I just want told about it.

Could we get a statement of why these things were changed and why we were not notified???

Jai1 · 08-18-2006, 12:24 AM

Maybe it's because summoners are still on the tops of the parses in raids. Dunno

Gomora_Toad · 08-18-2006, 12:30 AM

Which pets are you referring to specifically? I ask because I just compared Undying Dreadnought M1's stats from today with a screenshot I'd taken of them on July 7th, and there is zero difference. No change to HP, Mit, CAs, nothing. (He was level 70 and totally unbuffed in both cases.) I don't have pics of the other pets to compare, unfortunately.

KBern · 08-18-2006, 12:32 AM

Jai1 wrote:
Maybe it's because summoners are still on the tops of the parses in raids. Dunno

Only in raids where the raid leader has no clue how to set up groups and the other classes are lazy.

Go check out the DPS of a well played assassin, swashy or brigand sometime.

Assassin is supposed to be top, but swash and brigs are T2 right along with necros and conj's.

KBern · 08-18-2006, 12:33 AM

GomoraToad wrote:
Which pets are you referring to specifically? I ask because I just compared Undying Dreadnought M1's stats from today with a screenshot I'd taken of them on July 7th, and there is zero difference. No change to HP, Mit, CAs, nothing. (He was level 70 and totally unbuffed in both cases.) I don't have pics of the other pets to compare, unfortunately.

Good to hear...I haven't noticed much other than the lower DPS in the raid the other night but again I chalked it up to having 3 assassins, 2 swashys, and a brigand there to help kill the mobs faster.

Plus I been lagging like a ^&*%$ lately and that affects DPS.

latrocin · 08-18-2006, 01:25 AM

Not sure what happen (maybe lag) but I can now solo green and white ^^^ .. The whites are a little harder but if I plan things right it's not to bad.. The greens drop just like they use to again... Very odd

Colossaltitan · 08-18-2006, 02:00 AM

A skilled Wizard can top the parse as well.

Honestly, this isn't the first time that SOE has ninja'd things without putting them in the patch notes, thats probably the reason we actually have a term for doing it.

We'll live, we'll still do ridiculous DPS, so no crying. SMILEY

Icewolf99 · 08-18-2006, 03:22 AM

"Summoners at the top of raid parses"?? What raids do you go on? They have been mid pack since the big nerf on every raid I've been on. Berzerkers are at the top of all of them now. Berzerkers can solo heroics easy still, yet no one cries for them to be nerfed.. such is life in EQ2...

Allowen · 08-18-2006, 04:31 AM

I have noticed it also but I thought was a bug since pet like stronger, not dieing with a single aoe blow from raid mobs(scout pet from 5400 hp went to 3380 hp) but actualy pet is surviuving aoes from many mobs such from Labs, Deathtoll(eyeballs) etc. I like that.

They either nerfed aoes on all raids or pet is mitigating it better after the change and I like it. but anyways the 3379hp that shows when I control my nightshade m1 might be buged,,,, when we controll pets all atributes get lowered including hp but it used to still was showing like 3380/5400 .... now just show 3380 hp...... .

Point is I dont think they nefred the pet s hp but it is justn ot showign correctely when we controll pet to check its stats what is sad because we all woudl lie kto know pet s real HP size !

Allowen

necromancer from mistmoore server

Lords of the triple moons

Colossaltitan · 08-18-2006, 05:55 AM

Within the past two weeks, raid AoE's have seemed to be gimped entirely. Everything hitting less, hitting for less, or not hitting at all.

/shrug.

Korb · 08-18-2006, 03:36 PM

Allowen wrote:

I have noticed it also but I thought was a bug since pet like stronger, not dieing with a single aoe blow from raid mobs(scout pet from 5400 hp went to 3380 hp) but actualy pet is surviuving aoes from many mobs such from Labs, Deathtoll(eyeballs) etc. I like that.

They either nerfed aoes on all raids or pet is mitigating it better after the change and I like it. but anyways the 3379hp that shows when I control my nightshade m1 might be buged,,,, when we controll pets all atributes get lowered including hp but it used to still was showing like 3380/5400 .... now just show 3380 hp...... .

Point is I dont think they nefred the pet s hp but it is justn ot showign correctely when we controll pet to check its stats what is sad because we all woudl lie kto know pet s real HP size !

Allowen

necromancer from mistmoore server

Lords of the triple moons

I checked my pet last night and noticed the same thing. The base hp was always much lower than buffed, it looks like buffed hp's are not showing correctly, but I could be wrong. I didn't pay too much attention to the hp's before.

Catodon · 08-19-2006, 09:58 AM

I just did (Friday 8/1 SMILEY

some basic tests of pet hp; will do some more detailed ones tomorrow.I sent an unbuffed (including no sta + int group buff) tank and scout pet against some mobs that could kill them consistently without using super high damage spikes (soul feasters in carrion briar). Used ACT to check how much damage the pets took before dying. Level 70 Undying Dreadnought master 1: Possess Minion display: 7209 unbuffed hp Actual HP from test: ~12000Level 70 Nightshade adept3: Posess Minion display: 3122 unbuffed hp Actual HP from test: ~5000I did not test thoroughly enough yet to get an accurate measure of the pets' physical mitigation, but as a preliminary ballpark, soul feasters were managing between 90 and 150 crush dps against both types of pet while doing between 60-90 dps against me if i let them beat on me for a while (lvl 70 necro, 18.0% displayed mitigation against crush).Tentative conclusion: displayed hp from possess minion is totally wack (seems to be about 40% lower than actual). Pets have the same amount of hp they have had since it was last adjusted in published notes several months ago, and 0 mitigation or close to it (less than a cloth wearing [Removed for Content] necro at least).

Delameko Stone · 08-21-2006, 07:08 PM

You guys are so paranoid.If pet health, mit, damage have changed and its not in the patch notes it could be a bug (most likely).As Moorgard said last time we cried "shadow nerf" at them - they don't do shadow nerfs. Because we'd find out - like this very thread! There's no reason to change things and not tell us, because we'll always find out. Its not like they can sneak it past us.So until a dev posts (maybe someone should drop Blackguard a message and make sure this thread is recognised) quit with the 'shadow nerf' BS.

Tokam · 08-21-2006, 10:49 PM

Jai1 wrote:
Maybe it's because summoners are still on the tops of the parses in raids. Dunno

If your out parsing your guild sassins then you need new sassins.

Sola · 08-22-2006, 06:09 AM

Delameko Stone wrote:

You guys are so paranoid.

If pet health, mit, damage have changed and its not in the patch notes it could be a bug (most likely).

As Moorgard said last time we cried "shadow nerf" at them - they don't do shadow nerfs. Because we'd find out - like this very thread! There's no reason to change things and not tell us, because we'll always find out. Its not like they can sneak it past us.

So until a dev posts (maybe someone should drop Blackguard a message and make sure this thread is recognised) quit with the 'shadow nerf' BS.

Regardless if it's a bug or an actual nerf, the damage is done and it takes forever to get a fix or a response back from SOE as to why and what corrective action is to be taken. Not to mention when the corrective action is completed =/.

armus5 · 08-23-2006, 12:07 AM

They do make shadow nerfs and when we caught the last one they promissed is was a bug that would be fixed. But they never fixed it. Eventually, people stopped complaining and I'm sure that's what they are hoping for here.

One word, Vanguard

Ruwin · 08-23-2006, 12:32 AM

This is complete BULL[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]....I am sick of having these changes shoved down our throats.....why keep hammering the necro's?

JESSSUUSSSSSS!!!!:smileymad:

Za · 08-23-2006, 06:34 AM

And the last few posters completely fail to realize that people testing these "changes" have confirmed that this is a 100% visual bug... The pets health and mitigation are exactly what they were 2 months ago.

08-16-2006, 10:53 PM	#5
KBern Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,372	When did this supposedly happen? My DPS seemed somewhat lower last night no matter what I did, but I chalked it up to resists or mobs just dying fast or lag, whatever... __________________

08-17-2006, 01:01 PM	#12
Colossaltitan Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,792	Keming wrote: I guess every other class can expect a shadow nerf as well... Not likely, although several classes are overpowered, most manage to notice the Summoner one the most. Although this change sucks I can only agree on them nerfing our class a bit more.

08-17-2006, 05:10 PM	#13
slyfer Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 244	Colossaltitan wrote: Keming wrote: I guess every other class can expect a shadow nerf as well... Not likely, although several classes are overpowered, most manage to notice the Summoner one the most. Although this change sucks I can only agree on them nerfing our class a bit more. Its fine that they nerf us some but they did it in the wrong way. 1. Not telling us Pet health/Mitigation was changed. I don't understand this change anyway. Our pets really can't take a hit anyways. I was wondering why I was getting owned by the Named Bixie a few days ago. 2. Our pet dps I have no problem with being nerfed, I just want told about it. Could we get a statement of why these things were changed and why we were not notified???

08-18-2006, 12:30 AM	#15
Gomora_Toad Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 106	Which pets are you referring to specifically? I ask because I just compared Undying Dreadnought M1's stats from today with a screenshot I'd taken of them on July 7th, and there is zero difference. No change to HP, Mit, CAs, nothing. (He was level 70 and totally unbuffed in both cases.) I don't have pics of the other pets to compare, unfortunately. __________________ __________________________________

08-18-2006, 12:32 AM	#16
KBern Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,372	Jai1 wrote: Maybe it's because summoners are still on the tops of the parses in raids. Dunno Only in raids where the raid leader has no clue how to set up groups and the other classes are lazy. Go check out the DPS of a well played assassin, swashy or brigand sometime. Assassin is supposed to be top, but swash and brigs are T2 right along with necros and conj's. __________________

08-16-2006, 09:19 PM	#1
Vanyel Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 41	I'm a necro and most of my pets recently just had their HPs about halved and mitigation raised ONLY about 25%. I posses my pets now and then and examine my spells to see if there are nefs that SOE isn't annoucing fully.. and I just found one. The mitigation boost does not compensate for the HP nerf. I've talk to Conjurers and the same thing has been done to thier pets too

08-16-2006, 09:57 PM	#2
eburgos Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 113	are you talking about the tank pet? or all pets?

08-16-2006, 10:02 PM	#3
Vanyel Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 41	Nope ALL the pets had this done to them. All their spell abilities also had dmg reduced as well If they are gonna do a nerf, they should have the guts to annouce it to the public instead of quietly sticking it someplace where people don't usually look Message Edited by Vanyel on 08-16-2006 11:03 AM

08-16-2006, 10:26 PM	#4
slyfer Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 244	Can someone post pics of the pets persona window and the abilities before and after this updated to see what has changed?

08-16-2006, 11:59 PM	#6
latrocin Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 71	Yep I noticed this also... I can take a 3^^^ green named with 4 (1or 2 down)adds easy and I could not take 1 named with no adds last night he ate through my pets HP in seconds I filled bug and they said there has been changes made and if I did not agree with them I could file another bug using as many details as I can and the DEV team will look into it.. If this is a change that they made fine I agree with I should not be able to solo group mobs even 10 levels below me. They are meant for a group incounter not my pet and I. What I don't agree with is the change was made in secret and nothing was really listed out in the open. Our scout pet nerf was atleast out in the open.. flame suit on Message Edited by latrocinor on 08-16-2006 01:00 PM

08-17-2006, 01:14 AM	#7
Vanyel Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 41	Apparently this was done in the last few weeks.. I just noticed it today.. So I'm guessing in the last LU update.. but there's ZERO notes on this being done.I wouldn't put it past them to change it and hope people don't notice to prevent a huge outcry

08-17-2006, 01:28 AM	#8
latrocin Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 71	^^^ Yep same here I just notcied also

08-17-2006, 07:32 AM	#9
backya Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 105	pets mitigation was totaly removed, pets attacks, nerfed, pets health, raised but only to be eaten in seconds my green mobs. our pets are jokes, they take the full damage from any attack and have no resist.

08-17-2006, 08:52 AM	#10
latrocin Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 71	^^^ Yeah I agree but I found I can take yello average with my mage pet now using roots but I can no longer take green 3 ups.. nothing game breaking for me but I know alot of people will be upset

08-17-2006, 10:52 AM	#11
Kemi Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 11	This is total garbage. Why would that type of change be done in the shadows. It is not like we are the only class that can solo ^^^heroics 10 levels below us. I guess every other class can expect a shadow nerf as well...

08-18-2006, 12:24 AM	#14
Jai1 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 618	Maybe it's because summoners are still on the tops of the parses in raids. Dunno

08-18-2006, 12:33 AM	#17
KBern Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,372	GomoraToad wrote: Which pets are you referring to specifically? I ask because I just compared Undying Dreadnought M1's stats from today with a screenshot I'd taken of them on July 7th, and there is zero difference. No change to HP, Mit, CAs, nothing. (He was level 70 and totally unbuffed in both cases.) I don't have pics of the other pets to compare, unfortunately. Good to hear...I haven't noticed much other than the lower DPS in the raid the other night but again I chalked it up to having 3 assassins, 2 swashys, and a brigand there to help kill the mobs faster. Plus I been lagging like a ^&*%$ lately and that affects DPS. __________________

08-18-2006, 01:25 AM	#18
latrocin Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 71	Not sure what happen (maybe lag) but I can now solo green and white ^^^ .. The whites are a little harder but if I plan things right it's not to bad.. The greens drop just like they use to again... Very odd

08-18-2006, 02:00 AM	#19
Colossaltitan Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,792	A skilled Wizard can top the parse as well. Honestly, this isn't the first time that SOE has ninja'd things without putting them in the patch notes, thats probably the reason we actually have a term for doing it. We'll live, we'll still do ridiculous DPS, so no crying.

08-18-2006, 03:22 AM	#20
Icewolf99 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 96	"Summoners at the top of raid parses"?? What raids do you go on? They have been mid pack since the big nerf on every raid I've been on. Berzerkers are at the top of all of them now. Berzerkers can solo heroics easy still, yet no one cries for them to be nerfed.. such is life in EQ2...

08-18-2006, 04:31 AM	#21
Allowen Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 126	I have noticed it also but I thought was a bug since pet like stronger, not dieing with a single aoe blow from raid mobs(scout pet from 5400 hp went to 3380 hp) but actualy pet is surviuving aoes from many mobs such from Labs, Deathtoll(eyeballs) etc. I like that. They either nerfed aoes on all raids or pet is mitigating it better after the change and I like it. but anyways the 3379hp that shows when I control my nightshade m1 might be buged,,,, when we controll pets all atributes get lowered including hp but it used to still was showing like 3380/5400 .... now just show 3380 hp...... . Point is I dont think they nefred the pet s hp but it is justn ot showign correctely when we controll pet to check its stats what is sad because we all woudl lie kto know pet s real HP size ! Allowen necromancer from mistmoore server Lords of the triple moons

08-18-2006, 05:55 AM	#22
Colossaltitan Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,792	Within the past two weeks, raid AoE's have seemed to be gimped entirely. Everything hitting less, hitting for less, or not hitting at all. /shrug.

08-18-2006, 03:36 PM	#23
Korb General Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 161	Allowen wrote: I have noticed it also but I thought was a bug since pet like stronger, not dieing with a single aoe blow from raid mobs(scout pet from 5400 hp went to 3380 hp) but actualy pet is surviuving aoes from many mobs such from Labs, Deathtoll(eyeballs) etc. I like that. They either nerfed aoes on all raids or pet is mitigating it better after the change and I like it. but anyways the 3379hp that shows when I control my nightshade m1 might be buged,,,, when we controll pets all atributes get lowered including hp but it used to still was showing like 3380/5400 .... now just show 3380 hp...... . Point is I dont think they nefred the pet s hp but it is justn ot showign correctely when we controll pet to check its stats what is sad because we all woudl lie kto know pet s real HP size ! Allowen necromancer from mistmoore server Lords of the triple moons I checked my pet last night and noticed the same thing. The base hp was always much lower than buffed, it looks like buffed hp's are not showing correctly, but I could be wrong. I didn't pay too much attention to the hp's before.

08-19-2006, 09:58 AM	#24
Catodon Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 136	I just did (Friday 8/1 some basic tests of pet hp; will do some more detailed ones tomorrow.I sent an unbuffed (including no sta + int group buff) tank and scout pet against some mobs that could kill them consistently without using super high damage spikes (soul feasters in carrion briar). Used ACT to check how much damage the pets took before dying. Level 70 Undying Dreadnought master 1: Possess Minion display: 7209 unbuffed hp Actual HP from test: ~12000Level 70 Nightshade adept3: Posess Minion display: 3122 unbuffed hp Actual HP from test: ~5000I did not test thoroughly enough yet to get an accurate measure of the pets' physical mitigation, but as a preliminary ballpark, soul feasters were managing between 90 and 150 crush dps against both types of pet while doing between 60-90 dps against me if i let them beat on me for a while (lvl 70 necro, 18.0% displayed mitigation against crush).Tentative conclusion: displayed hp from possess minion is totally wack (seems to be about 40% lower than actual). Pets have the same amount of hp they have had since it was last adjusted in published notes several months ago, and 0 mitigation or close to it (less than a cloth wearing [Removed for Content] necro at least).

08-21-2006, 07:08 PM	#25
Delameko Stone Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: UK Posts: 279	You guys are so paranoid.If pet health, mit, damage have changed and its not in the patch notes it could be a bug (most likely).As Moorgard said last time we cried "shadow nerf" at them - they don't do shadow nerfs. Because we'd find out - like this very thread! There's no reason to change things and not tell us, because we'll always find out. Its not like they can sneak it past us.So until a dev posts (maybe someone should drop Blackguard a message and make sure this thread is recognised) quit with the 'shadow nerf' BS.

08-21-2006, 10:49 PM	#26
Tokam General Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Oxford Posts: 718	Jai1 wrote: Maybe it's because summoners are still on the tops of the parses in raids. Dunno If your out parsing your guild sassins then you need new sassins. __________________

08-22-2006, 06:09 AM	#27
Sola Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 108	Delameko Stone wrote: You guys are so paranoid. If pet health, mit, damage have changed and its not in the patch notes it could be a bug (most likely). As Moorgard said last time we cried "shadow nerf" at them - they don't do shadow nerfs. Because we'd find out - like this very thread! There's no reason to change things and not tell us, because we'll always find out. Its not like they can sneak it past us. So until a dev posts (maybe someone should drop Blackguard a message and make sure this thread is recognised) quit with the 'shadow nerf' BS. Regardless if it's a bug or an actual nerf, the damage is done and it takes forever to get a fix or a response back from SOE as to why and what corrective action is to be taken. Not to mention when the corrective action is completed =/. __________________

08-23-2006, 12:07 AM	#28
armus5 General Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 116	They do make shadow nerfs and when we caught the last one they promissed is was a bug that would be fixed. But they never fixed it. Eventually, people stopped complaining and I'm sure that's what they are hoping for here. One word, Vanguard

08-23-2006, 12:32 AM	#29
Ruwin Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 17	This is complete BULL[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]....I am sick of having these changes shoved down our throats.....why keep hammering the necro's? JESSSUUSSSSSS!!!!:smileymad:

08-23-2006, 06:34 AM	#30
Za General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,084	And the last few posters completely fail to realize that people testing these "changes" have confirmed that this is a 100% visual bug... The pets health and mitigation are exactly what they were 2 months ago.