final master 2 choice

fat to · 12-09-2005, 11:40 AM

Searched for master 2 and did not find anything regarding this topic that I would have thought would have been gone over many times by now. Out of the the four final master 2 choices, blighted pack (swarm pet) and voice of the departed (offensive stance) seem to be undoubtedly the better two spells of the four. I am about 75% though level 53 and was anticipating on getting the blighted pack master 2, although I have been reading on the conjuror boards (yes I know their offensive stances differ) that the offensive stance is the better choice over the swarm pet. I enjoy dueling a lot and being able to solo heroics..... Does anyone have any opinions on their upcomming master 2 choice or thoughts on what they themselves chose?

Elik · 12-09-2005, 11:53 AM

Personally i choose the Offensive stance, since the haste (51%) applies to the charmed pet to. To that add that the price of rares are silly low now, getting a ADIII of the dogs dont hurt that much anymore.

Lendis · 12-09-2005, 01:28 PM

I took the master 2 int/sta buff.. while int is easy to get. the 69 sta is [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] nice. and its group wide. nice for raids

Xalmat · 12-09-2005, 06:34 PM

I'm all about the offense stance myself. Swarm pets tend to die quicker than regular pets, and buffs can be dispelled, but an offense stance is something you will always have up on your pet at all times. And yes, it does work on your charm pets too.

Abazagorath · 12-09-2005, 11:20 PM

Personally, I chose the group buff. As was stated before, the int is nothing too amazing since a decently-equipped necro can get over 350 int self buffed, but the int and sta going to everyone is great for procs, other casters, and general HP of the group. However, since I just found the master 1 of it and bought it, I will /respec and get the dogs. I have the master offensive stance, too, but something to keep in mind is that any offensive stances after Agitation do NOT buff your scout and tank pets' abilities. Instead, they buff mage abilities (subjugation, disruption, and focus), and offer haste which is the only benefit to the melee types. However, that haste only affects auto-attack and not specials, nor does it help the pet hit the mob any more than it would be able to otherwise. Therefore, unless you're one of the three necs gamewide that actually use the warlock pet with any frequency (outside of PP: Return), then I would recommend choosing one of the other spells.

cfteagu · 12-09-2005, 11:36 PM

I choose the doggies. I tend to solo a lot, and that means a fair amount of time I have the zombie out with defensive stance. In those situations, I benefit much more from having upgraded doggies.

For grouping, it's hard to say. I would want to see a detailed parse of the adept3 dogggies vs the master 2 doggies. To see if the 8 or 9 percent haste difference is worth it.

But I've also kept in mind that I have at least one respec left to use. So I know that if the situation changes when Im level 60, I will be able to change my master 2 choice (though since I will get adept 3 offense stance, it will be sort of a waste to switch)

cfteagu · 12-09-2005, 11:40 PM

Abaz, dont the offensive stances offer a proc buff to the melee pet? But you are correct that the melee pets stats are not upgraded in a useful way. (ie: no str buff)

El Chupacabr · 12-09-2005, 11:43 PM

Abazagorath wrote:
Personally, I chose the group buff. As was stated before, the int is nothing too amazing since a decently-equipped necro can get over 350 int self buffed, but the int and sta going to everyone is great for procs, other casters, and general HP of the group. However, since I just found the master 1 of it and bought it, I will /respec and get the dogs. I have the master offensive stance, too, but something to keep in mind is that any offensive stances after Agitation do NOT buff your scout and tank pets' abilities. Instead, they buff mage abilities (subjugation, disruption, and focus), and offer haste which is the only benefit to the melee types. However, that haste only affects auto-attack and not specials, nor does it help the pet hit the mob any more than it would be able to otherwise. Therefore, unless you're one of the three necs gamewide that actually use the warlock pet with any frequency (outside of PP: Return), then I would recommend choosing one of the other spells.

Haste and increased damage on the lifetap proc (with your proc hitting around 10% more often than adept 3 due to haste) absolutely do buff the melee pets. The offensive buff only increases the melee pets abilities, it does nothing statistically significant for the warlock pet (see some of my previous threads on pet buffing).

That said, I believe the offensive buff or the blighted pack are probably the best to go with, depending on your other adept 3's. Fury isn't horrible but the upgrade is a little too slight from ad1 to m2.

Nosewar · 12-10-2005, 12:13 AM

Offensive stance. To me it's a no-brainer. Huge boost to our DPS.

Za · 12-10-2005, 12:25 AM

And as has been stated, the stance affects charmed pets as well, which is really nice!

Jai1 · 12-10-2005, 01:28 AM

At 54, I took siphon life. It's really our only quick damage spell and I use it alot on quick dropping mobs.

Merciful_Shadow · 12-10-2005, 01:41 AM

I took Siphon Life. Your more likely to get master I's of the buffs (I know I was) then you will the master for your lifetap.

Sosum · 12-15-2005, 03:38 AM

Originally INT/STA buff but respec'd to Siphon Life - so glad I did it.

Hoom · 12-15-2005, 08:25 AM

El Chups said, "I believe the offensive buff or the blighted pack are probably the best to go with, depending on your other adept 3's." Yes. With Blighted Pack at adept III the offensive buff was an easy call. Unless I am pushing my solo envelope (pretty rare atm), the offensive buff is always up. Very pleased with this choice.

quamdar · 12-15-2005, 09:32 AM

i have master of rats and offensive stance so i went with siphon life cause the extra int/sta isn't nearly as good as the extra damage and heal on siphon life.

Dayi · 12-15-2005, 04:01 PM

only one problem with the off buff being master 2 trying going all out in a raid and your a dead necro even now when i raid i dont send in my pet right away i have to wait and i still risking pullling the epic off the tank and from 20 other people. yes nice and high dps is good but too high and we just drop dead, you cant fd fast enough. plus if ya do the mob tends to go back straight to the tank but half the time in the wrong angle and you just killed half your raid force.

gr8scott · 12-15-2005, 10:30 PM

Merciful_Shadow wrote:
I took Siphon Life.

Your more likely to get master I's of the buffs (I know I was) then you will the master for your lifetap.

Long term, this is the right answer imo. I have seen multiple versions of all three other masters on the broker, but I have never seen a siphon life master.

Assuming a master 1 is very close to a master 2 in power, I would go with the siphon life training option and then plan on picking up the other three masters.

If you have a respec, you could go with the offensive buff or dogs and then respec to siphon life after you pick up those two masters (this is what I did)

GS

Supa Mint Flava · 12-15-2005, 10:30 PM

I took the dogs as I have Siphon at Master I. If I come across Blighted Pack Master I, I may respec and take the offensive. However, not terribly concerned about it as my dps is already excellent and pet tends to die quickly in raid anyway. I rarely do anything except raid.

Cryl · 12-16-2005, 12:10 AM

master II for the life tap... i have the offensive stance and group buff at Mater I now, so I think it worked out better this way. i feel that every extra i get back from life tap helps...

Kniives · 12-16-2005, 02:35 AM

What this thread needs is someone who can dig up and post screenshots for every Master 1 and Master 2. Would make considering the issue alot easier SMILEY

Allowen · 12-16-2005, 03:47 AM

I choosed the pet haste buff but later on I /resp and switched it for the lifetab cause the buff was like same thign as the master 1, same proc nuke and pet heal but only +3pct more haste.

Soloing with max int the lifetab can hit for near 1200 and on raids with some buffs I saw nukes up to near 1700+ the lich proc.

Anyways I could recommend the dogs master II cause many raid mobs and stuff we will fight uses a lot AOE dps and dogs and stench pets dont get hit by aoe and if a mob is immune to diease the swarm pets will stil do their dps )Preaty uber.

But again the lifetab master 2 rules and the next expansion if we dont get new dogs I wil l/resp once again to get lv 54 trainning skill= dogs then cause the new lifetab will probably come at lv possible bettewn 62 to 64.

Allowen

lv60 necro

Lords of the triple moons

Mistmoore server.

12-09-2005, 01:28 PM	#3
Lendis Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 33	I took the master 2 int/sta buff.. while int is easy to get. the 69 sta is [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] nice. and its group wide. nice for raids __________________ Lendis 70 Gnecromancer/70 Jeweler Unrest, Nanashi 70 Assassin/65 Weaponsmith Unrest

12-09-2005, 06:34 PM	#4
Xalmat EQ2Achieve.com Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 5,895	I'm all about the offense stance myself. Swarm pets tend to die quicker than regular pets, and buffs can be dispelled, but an offense stance is something you will always have up on your pet at all times. And yes, it does work on your charm pets too. __________________ EQ2Achieve - Your guide to all EverQuest II Achievements

12-09-2005, 11:43 PM	#8
El Chupacabr Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 850	Abazagorath wrote: Personally, I chose the group buff. As was stated before, the int is nothing too amazing since a decently-equipped necro can get over 350 int self buffed, but the int and sta going to everyone is great for procs, other casters, and general HP of the group. However, since I just found the master 1 of it and bought it, I will /respec and get the dogs. I have the master offensive stance, too, but something to keep in mind is that any offensive stances after Agitation do NOT buff your scout and tank pets' abilities. Instead, they buff mage abilities (subjugation, disruption, and focus), and offer haste which is the only benefit to the melee types. However, that haste only affects auto-attack and not specials, nor does it help the pet hit the mob any more than it would be able to otherwise. Therefore, unless you're one of the three necs gamewide that actually use the warlock pet with any frequency (outside of PP: Return), then I would recommend choosing one of the other spells. Haste and increased damage on the lifetap proc (with your proc hitting around 10% more often than adept 3 due to haste) absolutely do buff the melee pets. The offensive buff only increases the melee pets abilities, it does nothing statistically significant for the warlock pet (see some of my previous threads on pet buffing). That said, I believe the offensive buff or the blighted pack are probably the best to go with, depending on your other adept 3's. Fury isn't horrible but the upgrade is a little too slight from ad1 to m2. __________________ Want to learn about Necromancers? Check out The Necromancer FAQ

12-10-2005, 12:13 AM	#9
Nosewar Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 323	Offensive stance. To me it's a no-brainer. Huge boost to our DPS. __________________

12-10-2005, 01:41 AM	#12
Merciful_Shadow Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 66	I took Siphon Life. Your more likely to get master I's of the buffs (I know I was) then you will the master for your lifetap. __________________ [Gratuitously obese & obnoxious photoshop image goes here] Nyarlathotep 70 Necromancer / 62 Sage [Dominion] Guk (formerly Toxxulia) Server Nyarlathotep's Streamlined UI Nyarlathotep's Guide to Everquest II (HUMOR)

12-09-2005, 11:40 AM	#1
fat to General Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 37	Searched for master 2 and did not find anything regarding this topic that I would have thought would have been gone over many times by now. Out of the the four final master 2 choices, blighted pack (swarm pet) and voice of the departed (offensive stance) seem to be undoubtedly the better two spells of the four. I am about 75% though level 53 and was anticipating on getting the blighted pack master 2, although I have been reading on the conjuror boards (yes I know their offensive stances differ) that the offensive stance is the better choice over the swarm pet. I enjoy dueling a lot and being able to solo heroics..... Does anyone have any opinions on their upcomming master 2 choice or thoughts on what they themselves chose?

12-09-2005, 11:53 AM	#2
Elik Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 94	Personally i choose the Offensive stance, since the haste (51%) applies to the charmed pet to. To that add that the price of rares are silly low now, getting a ADIII of the dogs dont hurt that much anymore.

12-09-2005, 11:20 PM	#5
Abazagorath Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 41	Personally, I chose the group buff. As was stated before, the int is nothing too amazing since a decently-equipped necro can get over 350 int self buffed, but the int and sta going to everyone is great for procs, other casters, and general HP of the group. However, since I just found the master 1 of it and bought it, I will /respec and get the dogs. I have the master offensive stance, too, but something to keep in mind is that any offensive stances after Agitation do NOT buff your scout and tank pets' abilities. Instead, they buff mage abilities (subjugation, disruption, and focus), and offer haste which is the only benefit to the melee types. However, that haste only affects auto-attack and not specials, nor does it help the pet hit the mob any more than it would be able to otherwise. Therefore, unless you're one of the three necs gamewide that actually use the warlock pet with any frequency (outside of PP: Return), then I would recommend choosing one of the other spells.

12-09-2005, 11:36 PM	#6
cfteagu Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 89	I choose the doggies. I tend to solo a lot, and that means a fair amount of time I have the zombie out with defensive stance. In those situations, I benefit much more from having upgraded doggies. For grouping, it's hard to say. I would want to see a detailed parse of the adept3 dogggies vs the master 2 doggies. To see if the 8 or 9 percent haste difference is worth it. But I've also kept in mind that I have at least one respec left to use. So I know that if the situation changes when Im level 60, I will be able to change my master 2 choice (though since I will get adept 3 offense stance, it will be sort of a waste to switch)

12-09-2005, 11:40 PM	#7
cfteagu Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 89	Abaz, dont the offensive stances offer a proc buff to the melee pet? But you are correct that the melee pets stats are not upgraded in a useful way. (ie: no str buff)

12-10-2005, 12:25 AM	#10
Za General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,084	And as has been stated, the stance affects charmed pets as well, which is really nice!

12-10-2005, 01:28 AM	#11
Jai1 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 618	At 54, I took siphon life. It's really our only quick damage spell and I use it alot on quick dropping mobs.

12-15-2005, 03:38 AM	#13
Sosum General Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 361	Originally INT/STA buff but respec'd to Siphon Life - so glad I did it. __________________

12-15-2005, 08:25 AM	#14
Hoom Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 25	El Chups said, "I believe the offensive buff or the blighted pack are probably the best to go with, depending on your other adept 3's." Yes. With Blighted Pack at adept III the offensive buff was an easy call. Unless I am pushing my solo envelope (pretty rare atm), the offensive buff is always up. Very pleased with this choice.

12-15-2005, 09:32 AM	#15
quamdar Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 610	i have master of rats and offensive stance so i went with siphon life cause the extra int/sta isn't nearly as good as the extra damage and heal on siphon life. __________________ quamdar crushbone server

12-15-2005, 04:01 PM	#16
Dayi Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 49	only one problem with the off buff being master 2 trying going all out in a raid and your a dead necro even now when i raid i dont send in my pet right away i have to wait and i still risking pullling the epic off the tank and from 20 other people. yes nice and high dps is good but too high and we just drop dead, you cant fd fast enough. plus if ya do the mob tends to go back straight to the tank but half the time in the wrong angle and you just killed half your raid force.

12-15-2005, 10:30 PM	#17
gr8scott Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 174	Merciful_Shadow wrote: I took Siphon Life. Your more likely to get master I's of the buffs (I know I was) then you will the master for your lifetap. Long term, this is the right answer imo. I have seen multiple versions of all three other masters on the broker, but I have never seen a siphon life master. Assuming a master 1 is very close to a master 2 in power, I would go with the siphon life training option and then plan on picking up the other three masters. If you have a respec, you could go with the offensive buff or dogs and then respec to siphon life after you pick up those two masters (this is what I did) GS

12-15-2005, 10:30 PM	#18
Supa Mint Flava Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Neriak - Qeynos Posts: 220	I took the dogs as I have Siphon at Master I. If I come across Blighted Pack Master I, I may respec and take the offensive. However, not terribly concerned about it as my dps is already excellent and pet tends to die quickly in raid anyway. I rarely do anything except raid. __________________

12-16-2005, 12:10 AM	#19
Cryl Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 32	master II for the life tap... i have the offensive stance and group buff at Mater I now, so I think it worked out better this way. i feel that every extra i get back from life tap helps... __________________

12-16-2005, 02:35 AM	#20
Kniives Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 41	What this thread needs is someone who can dig up and post screenshots for every Master 1 and Master 2. Would make considering the issue alot easier

12-16-2005, 03:47 AM	#21
Allowen Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 126	I choosed the pet haste buff but later on I /resp and switched it for the lifetab cause the buff was like same thign as the master 1, same proc nuke and pet heal but only +3pct more haste. Soloing with max int the lifetab can hit for near 1200 and on raids with some buffs I saw nukes up to near 1700+ the lich proc. Anyways I could recommend the dogs master II cause many raid mobs and stuff we will fight uses a lot AOE dps and dogs and stench pets dont get hit by aoe and if a mob is immune to diease the swarm pets will stil do their dps )Preaty uber. But again the lifetab master 2 rules and the next expansion if we dont get new dogs I wil l/resp once again to get lv 54 trainning skill= dogs then cause the new lifetab will probably come at lv possible bettewn 62 to 64. Allowen lv60 necro Lords of the triple moons Mistmoore server.