Flameshield/Scorchshield, etc. does not shield you!

[Triyton]

I commonly see Conjurors going around with their Flameshield line of spells going around on themselves, not their pet or group tank.  Even in DoF or beyond.  I have joined prexisting groups that already had one or even two Conjurors and there was no Flameshield on the tank yet.

 

Just recently I was playing a healer and the Conjuror in the group was doing this so I sent him a tell.  No change.  Later there was a break in the action so I say again how it has to be around the tank to be doing any good.  He says he knows but he likes to have it around himself in case the mobs start to "smack him around." 

 

So I explained to him that it will just get more aggro, and that despite the name of the spell it doesn't shield him at all, it just damages the attacker.  Finally he turns it off and presumably if our tank had returned would have put it on him.

 

It just goes to show the importance of actually reading spell descriptions, although those that are reading the forums probably already know that.

 

[Loral]

When I play alternates in the 20s-30s, I can understand that the player don't know what the spell does exactly. I chalk it on the "unobservant and/or non-reader" type of player, and politely explain the true uses of the spell.

But when I see it in the 50s-60s, i just remind myself that Conjurors are the current "flavor of the month", and thus alot of them are powerlevelled twinks. Theses I do not bother with, but tend to pick the first opportunity to disband from group. I have a pet peeve against incompetence in general, and knowing your spellbook says alot about what you can do in tights spots.

Same thing with the Shard of Essence line or the Seed line.

Message Edited by Loralor on 03-28-200612:00 PM

[TangBaBa]

I will say this however - any time I made a Harclave run, Flameshield would always be on me. That is about the only time I can possibly think of needing to or even wanting to tank mobs myself.

[Themaginator]

just a situation of not knowing how to play ones class lol

[Xalmat]

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Themaginator wrote:just a situation of not knowing how to play ones class lol

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I second that.

[Beldin_]

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Loralor wrote:

But when I see it in the 50s-60s, i just remind myself that Conjurors are the current "flavor of the month", and thus alot of them are powerlevelled twinks.

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Even if its a powerleveled twink .. with 50-60 you have still played the character 100+ hours and normally should have noticed what your spells do.

[Jeradim]

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Loralor wrote:

I have a pet peeve against incompetence in general

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You and me both!  What's frustrating is that it seems to be quite prevalent not only in game but in RL too...especially if you work in IT :smileysad:

[Melianteas]

This is the spellI always want to delete from my hot bar but I never decided to do it. I never upgraded it beyond adept I and I barely use in pet when solo or in tank when gruping. 29 damage.... tsk, tsk, tsk it soudns like a joke its totally useless. But as dwarves love to say Everrry little helps!!

So, I use only in our main tank an old friend and because he always tells me is annoying to have the little flame around his head I guess I didn't deleted because that, to upset him a little more and have a laugh.

[Nezzr]

29 damage may not seem like much, but when you have it on the tank who has 4 mobs on him, all hitting him like once a second, its like a 120 point DoT that you only have to cast once.  As far as the conj who had it on himself in the group...thats just plain stupidity.  Its a classic example of someone rolling up a FoTM class and not having any idea how to play it.  All you have to do is hold your cursor over the spell and it says exactly what it does.  But then again, some people arent very bright.

[Loral]

It is also powerfree and work-free aggro for whoever has it on himself. It may not seem alot, but when you tank gets pounded on so much, and struggles to keep aggro, everything can help him.

[Beldin_]

And what you must see is that it doesn't have just a percent chance to proc .. it procs erverytime the tank is hit .. so why not use it ? Conjurer is not a bard that has to decide wich of their 11-12 conc-buffs they should use

[Whazy]

When I'm on with some of my alts, I see Conjurors and Furies using the damage shields on themselves a lot.  One fury was getting a lot of aggro and died a lot.  Everytime he was rezzed, he reapplied his damage shield to himself.  I put on my patience cap and tried to educate him on how damage shields worked.  I asked him to put the damage shield on the tank, and his reply was: "NO!"

 

So much for trying to help out newbies.

 

One question I have, is if you have a conjuror and a fury (or warden) in a group, can the tank sport both damage shields?  I know it wasn't possible in EQ1, but it seems these stack.  Can anyone verify that Druid and Conjuror damage shields stack?

[Banditman]

Tentatively . . . yes.There are some Damage Shields that don't play well together, but I have logged proof that at least at the L60 cap, Conjuror DS and Fury DS can play well together.I think Warden and Fury DS don't work properly together.A couple DS in a pack of mobs can equate to a not insignificant amount of hate for the tank.Edit:  I could probably demonstrate the same at the L70 cap, I just haven't looked for it.  I assumed (and you know how that goes) that this remains true.  Our Fury asked me to verify it while raiding Court of Al'Afaz a couple months back and sure enough, both DS were functioning properly.

Message Edited by Banditman on 03-29-200601:10 PM

[Purg]

ditto.

I have also requested that the fury in my groups remove the savergy buff from himself (if he has the carrying strenght to do so) and put in on the main tank.

I try and know a lot about the game so i can educate my group and spot small ways of improving spell useage.

[Triyton]

On the other hand, only one Conjuror in a group can have the Flameshield on the tank, if the second casts it it will just replace the tank, so the one with the better version should use it. 

But when it comes to the Blazing Seed line of procs, a second Conjuror can put it on a group member and both will stick, and he will display both of the tiny little icons for it.  What I would like to know is if they both function in that case, or just the better one?

 

[Loral]

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Triyton wrote:

But when it comes to the Blazing Seed line of procs, a second Conjuror can put it on a group member and both will stick, and he will display both of the tiny little icons for it.  What I would like to know is if they both function in that case, or just the better one?

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Since I was, until very recently, the only Conjuror in my Guild, I never tought about it. But now that I have 2 fellows with me, we will make sure to test it, just in case it really works

[tpleag]

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Triyton wrote:

I commonly see Conjurors going around with their Flameshield line of spells going around on themselves, not their pet or group tank.  Even in DoF or beyond.  I have joined prexisting groups that already had one or even two Conjurors and there was no Flameshield on the tank yet.

 

Just recently I was playing a healer and the Conjuror in the group was doing this so I sent him a tell.  No change.  Later there was a break in the action so I say again how it has to be around the tank to be doing any good.  He says he knows but he likes to have it around himself in case the mobs start to "smack him around." 

 

So I explained to him that it will just get more aggro, and that despite the name of the spell it doesn't shield him at all, it just damages the attacker.  Finally he turns it off and presumably if our tank had returned would have put it on him.

 

It just goes to show the importance of actually reading spell descriptions, although those that are reading the forums probably already know that.

 

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I am very grateful for this information.  I recently roled up a Conjurer because I like to solo and my main is a guardian (picked from a role-playing perspective).  My conj is no longer an alt, but is becoming my main.  I did not realize it could be cast on a pet, and figured I should use it so that if i was getting hit, it would at least do some damage in return (I guess I don't think through all the ramifications very well).

Thanks for the info, and I'll be playing my conjurer a little better now.

[Banditman]

I would think you'd be better off spreading it among many groups / players than stacking it all in one group.  If someone dies, you only lose one proc instead of 2.

I dunno.

[Loral]

I was thinking about my Den of the Devourer group yesterday: Guardian, Mystic, Wizard, Swashie, Conjuror, Conjuror. Both Conjuror where using Firepets, so once the Guardian and Swashbuckler are *seeded, we still have the option of 2 more *seeds... I should have tried to add my own *Seeds to the Guardian and Swashie.

In raids, we tend to distribute multiple of classes among groups if possible, to help a little with the buffs stacking. In this case, yes giving it to many players is a more intelligent option.

[PcJUNKE]

I <3 Conjs that know their class.

[Timzil]

Flameshield gives the target a persistent visual effect. Maybe some conjurors feel it looks good on em.

[Ganlu]

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Timzilla wrote:

Flameshield gives the target a persistent visual effect. Maybe some conjurors feel it looks good on em.

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I've had tanks tell me the effect was annoying and they wanted me to remove it :smileyvery-happy:

[Conequis]

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stryker115 wrote:

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I've had tanks tell me the effect was annoying and they wanted me to remove it :smileyvery-happy:

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Happened to me last night.  I explained to the tank what it does and he said he didn't like the effect and clicked it off.  I then asked him if he liked the particle effect when a cleric healed him and if he would like me to ask the cleric to stop

[Timzil]

The effect can also be seen while invis. Just an FYI for any PvPers. Clickiing it off can be just as important as putting it on )

[Leorange]

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Timzilla wrote:

Just an FYI for any PvPers.

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A lot of topics can be seen in that different light: PvP

A lot of Freeps attack the Conjuror at first. Imagine he has put his flameshield on the Tank after reading this post..:smileysurprised:  The Conjurior might have wished he had put it on himself, or his pet, in contrary of what people said inhere ("They don't know how to play their class" etc) .

 In instances and PvE however I agree on the thread.