nerf coercers

Divine Pow · 04-14-2006, 12:50 AM

heh...

So a coercer can chain kill ^^^ heroics every 20 seconds. I guess it isn't really a nerf I am asking about, more like fixing an exploit. You don't need a master quality charm spell for this either. I am surprised the update notes didn't make notice of a fix for this so I feel the need to [Removed for Content] off the coercers, sorry guys but it isn't right.

Petgroup · 04-14-2006, 02:09 AM

No idea what you are talking about but I can chain kill ^ ^ ^ Heroics ever since I got charm 2 years ago.Charm ^ ^ ^, send in against ^ ^ ^, my charmed wet blanket dies in 10 seconds. O boy, look out.

Azmode · 04-14-2006, 02:27 AM

Dude, I have been a [Removed for Content] off coercer since the game launched. You cant come in here and troll to [Removed for Content] me off. Stop your crying, we are the most underplayed class for a reason. This crap comming from a necromancer.....

Message Edited by Azmodeus on 04-13-2006 03:28 PM

Divine Pow · 04-14-2006, 04:33 AM

I'll state it - you get EXP when your pet dies.

Prevo · 04-14-2006, 05:20 AM

The only time I've gotten xp from my pet dying is if it was part of a multi-mob encounter and, with it being the last one in the encounter to die, completes the 'bonus' xp requirement from the earlier fight. Even then I don't think it always does that. I lost at least a dozen pets today alone, all single mob charms (not from a multi-mob encounter) and got no xp for them, whether they were no arrow, single arrow or triple arrow pets.

Cersiana · 04-14-2006, 07:25 AM

[Removed for Content], you must be listening to some [Removed for Content]. I have the same thing i only get the "bonus" XP for my pet dieing if it was part of a group encounter I don't get XP for my pet dieing sorry. If I could I wouldn't have been so adamant on grouping to grind to 70. Sorry I was a ranger first... yeah rangers usta could solo heroics... Now they cant do much at all. I'm sorry to be so ill but I've had one of my characters destroyed cause of peoples whining. I'm not gonna see it happen to a character that has just about nothing anyways.

*curtsey* forgive the attitude and rudeness please. I just get tired of seeing this happen.

Message Edited by Cersiana on 04-13-2006 08:29 PM

CronusFateweav · 04-14-2006, 12:45 PM

You do in fact get exp for your pet dying, as long as you damage it before you charm it. It's extremely unbalanced and if I were motivated I'm sure I could do 60-70 in a day or two without any problem. It's not something a coercer needs to be able to do, we have enough solo/group ability already.That said, coming here and trolling this was unneccesary. Just feedback or bug it if you want to consider it a bug.

Message Edited by CronusFateweaver on 04-14-2006 01:46 AM

Anachronomicon · 04-14-2006, 01:52 PM

Ya, thanks for [Removed for Content] everyone off, jerk.

Ulrick85 · 04-14-2006, 04:01 PM

our pets are no longer an encounter... how do we get xp off something thats not an encounter...

there is also the fact that even if we do get xp.. its not the full amount you would get if you were to kill the heroic all by yourself without any charm tricks. Some rule about haveing to get a mob to atleast 50% health to get full xp... was put in place to keep a level 10 from hitting a mob once and then a level 30 kill it allowing the level 10 to keep full xp.

Petgroup · 04-14-2006, 05:02 PM

CronusFateweaver wrote:
You do in fact get exp for your pet dying, as long as you damage it before you charm it. It's extremely unbalanced and if I were motivated I'm sure I could do 60-70 in a day or two without any problem. It's not something a coercer needs to be able to do, we have enough solo/group ability already.That said, coming here and trolling this was unneccesary. Just feedback or bug it if you want to consider it a bug.
Message Edited by CronusFateweaver on 04-14-200601:46 AM

I'd xfer my 70 Conjuror and 70 Coercer to The Bazzarr Server and sell them to you for $1.00 if you could do this.As explained above, you would have to deal a considerable amount of damage to the mob to get a small portion of the xp.Coercer and Considerable do not add up. People like you who post stuff that makes 0 sense and toss out numbers ruin this game.I power level my Mystic. If I dont take a mob to 75% damage or less I get JACK for xp. You have to deal at least 50% of the damage to the mob for you to get some xp that is acceptable. I do this all the time, so I know what i'm talking about. If you were to wack a mob, take off 1%, then have some donkey step in and kill it for you, you won't even see the xp bar move.60-70 in a day or 2 would have already been done by Half the Coercer Community if this was even plausible, you just didn't magically stumble upon this. I used charm, like 3x from 60-70 personally.Myth Busted !

Verdemy · 04-14-2006, 05:19 PM

Hey Mr. knowitall troll,

You don't know what you are talking about. Please take your trolling post and stuff yourself. Where it hurts...don't you have something better to do then worry about a class that you don't even play or understand. Eat dirt and crawl back in your troll cave, jerk !

Zearo · 04-14-2006, 05:51 PM

Go somewhere else.. and a question for ya...

NECROS GET CHARM, TROUBS GET CHARM, AN AA POWER FOR DRUIDS GET CHARM SO HOW IS THIS RELATED TO COERCERS ONLY

and how would they fix that? I never get xp from a ^^^ mob taht is by itself

Message Edited by cobalty2004 on 04-14-2006 06:52 AM

Tanatus · 04-14-2006, 08:12 PM

Dude ......

a) you DONT get exp then your pet die to mob .... (I wish it work that way...)

b) you DO get quest updates if you using for that charmed pet aka you need update scalborn warriors blood for blood of brood quest - YES you can chain charm warriors sick em on another warrior and no matter who die first quest counter will work

c) I have seen couple times then upon pet death I did recieve AA exp BUT in order to do that I have do 50+ % damage on mob (which is believe me nearly impossive) also I need have pet full health at the begining of attack also I need have pet that roughly equal of prey aka if I send +++ vs. ++ and my pet die I wont get any exp.... I have use +++ vs +++ or ++ vs ++.

d) Lastly its not really practical by any means .... it is much cheaper and faster for me to charm Corpse flame and just tear apart population of Ravasect island OR zone into HOF charm Destoyer and tear upart everything but named all way up to centurion then zone out force zone repop and for repair upon needs SMILEY

(because by doing such kind of solo we DO die a lot but Reward for such Risk is pays off)

SeratedEdge · 04-14-2006, 08:38 PM

For all you people saying its not possible, i watched someone doing it and leveling from 20-21 in less than an hour, and also got 2 master chests by using this trick on the defiled lords in SH, also netting him some AAxp. The thing is, you are doing more than 50% of the dmg, noone else is doing damage to the mob. You can chain heroic mobs like this every 20~ seconds.

Forgot to mention, corpses dissapear also, and it's not a surefire method, he died in excess of 10 times the whole time he was in there.

Message Edited by SeratedEdge on 04-14-2006 09:45 AM

PluvianMi · 04-14-2006, 08:58 PM

Gee, I used to take my mid-20s (at the time) Defiler into TS to kill the ^^^ heroic skellies and zombies (when they were yellow to me) and gotten 7% - 10% per kill.

It just isn't fair.

:smileysurprised:

I can take a small group (3-4 random classes) of a in the same level range into RoV to kill the golems at get a similar amount of XP per kill.

It just isn't fair.

:smileysurprised:

In T6 and T7 I made a heck of a lot more experience in a good group with a fast pulling tank and a ton of other dps'ers in the right zones / areas / instances than I could while soloing.

Spent a few hours last night with a fast and fun group in PoA, got the 80%+ experience I needed to reach level 70, got multiple master drops (2 of which I personally got and gave away to friends), got lots of other loot, had a great time.

It just isn't fair.

:smileysurprised:

The Wizzy in the group got even more experience to ding level 70.

The others in the group were primarily already level 70 and all they got was additional AA levels.

It just isn't fair.

:smileysurprised:

Ulrick85 · 04-14-2006, 09:12 PM

SeratedEdge wrote:

For all you people saying its not possible, i watched someone doing it and leveling from 20-21

doing that in the level 20's i can agree with... but guess what..

my illusionist solo killed triple ups in that level range... so did my SK, Monk, and Warden... im sure my necro won't have a problem with it either when i get her to that level...

not to offend you but if this complaint is out of jealousy.. then pick a class you know how to play better...

SeratedEdge · 04-14-2006, 09:20 PM

not to offend you but if this complaint is out of jealousy.. then pick a class you know how to play better...

This is not a complaint, nor is everything always about me me me i want more. I was simply stating that it is possible.

Ulrick85 · 04-14-2006, 09:27 PM

SeratedEdge wrote:

not to offend you but if this complaint is out of jealousy.. then pick a class you know how to play better...
This is not a complaint, nor is everything always about me me me i want more. I was simply stating that it is possible.

sorry went back after words and realized you weren't the original OP... that part was refering to them

I will admit it was possible at one time... however in the higher levels it is unlikely that someone will take their own chamred pet down by 50% health in order to get any decent xp...

an enemy mob taking your pet down and killing it does not reflect the dmg YOU yourself has done upon the pet.

I have not gotten xp from my pet dieing since mid way through DOF when SOE figured out we were using this tactic on spectres (or atleast i was *blush*)

SikkistVendetta · 04-14-2006, 09:51 PM

There are 201 Coercers game wide that are lvl 70.

Compare that to...

Guardian -759

Berserker - 665

Monk - 476

Bruiser - 348

Shadowknight - 387

Paladin - 622

Templar - 774

Inquisitor - 414

Warden - 434

Fury - 638

Mystic - 422

Defiler - 287

Wizard - 914

Warlock - 468

Illusionist - 278

Conjuror - 646

Necromancer - 563

Swashbuckler - 366

Brigand - 291

Troubador - 319

Dirge - 360

Ranger - 517

Assassin - 420

If what you suggest is even close to reality, why is there so few coercers? In fact, why are we the smallest portion of the lvl 70 players game wide?

Nerf everyone else imo.

soho · 04-14-2006, 10:02 PM

lol, I'd like that 70 conjuror please.

Cersiana · 04-14-2006, 11:51 PM

[Removed for Content] what you said about the coercer in SH.. Yeah every class can do those kind things if played correctly. Yes again your basing what an entire class can do off one person. You know anyclass can charm now with new charm items and AA abilities.. Don't come grief at one class that can charm when its everyone now. And you know. I never seen the XP from my pet dieing cause I normally just charm a random mob standing around by itself. Maybe I'm just to busy to knowtice.. Oh and just so you know there classes that are a LOT easier to solo such things on. SO yeah please... Go away we don't need whining here. We are bad enough off without people trying to cause us problems..

SeratedEdge · 04-15-2006, 01:58 AM

[Removed for Content] what you said about the coercer in SH.. Yeah every class can do those kind things if played correctly. Yes again your basing what an entire class can do off one person. You know anyclass can charm now with new charm items and AA abilities.. Don't come grief at one class that can charm when its everyone now. And you know. I never seen the XP from my pet dieing cause I normally just charm a random mob standing around by itself. Maybe I'm just to busy to knowtice.. Oh and just so you know there classes that are a LOT easier to solo such things on. SO yeah please... Go away we don't need whining here. We are bad enough off without people trying to cause us problems..

Again, i am not griefing, I am stating it is possible. Just because you don't notice xp when you charm a mob if you damage it first does not mean it doesn't happen. I don't see how anything can be easier to solo then doing 1 point of damage then charming and sending against a heroic mob. Pet dead in 10 sec tops, you use only mana for charming. Also please, read what is being said, granted it is said in the wrong way, but the poster is NOT asking for a nerf to coercers, he is asking for a bug being used by coercers to be fixed.

PluvianMi · 04-15-2006, 02:19 AM

So the OP doesn't want done what title of the thread says?

SeratedEdge · 04-15-2006, 02:29 AM

Read what he says, he is saying nerf coercers in the title, what he is asking for is for charm to be fixed so it cannot be exploited in the way that some people are.

CronusFateweav · 04-15-2006, 02:42 AM

The fact is, this has not always worked this way. It may be just with LU22, or perhaps further back than that. I only started playing this game again two days ago, and I only noticed this occuring yesterday, so I can't say for sure. The point being, you only have to do SOME damage to the mob (an Ego Burst while it kills your current pet works) then charm it, then let it die, and you get *full* exp. You get no body, but you do get chests and quest updates. I was chaining 65^^^s in Sanctum of the Scaleborn (at 61-62) doing this, low risk, and the exp I got would have been sufficient to do 60-70 in a 48, and maybe 24 hour window, I absolutely guarantee it. I don't want your 70s, but grats on those, I'm sure someone else has a single burning a hole in their pocket SMILEY

Anyhow, I won't repeat it again, but go test it and prove it to yourself if you do not believe me. Obviously if you're already 70 you'll just have to take my word for it, or make another coercer, if you so desire.

Encantador · 04-15-2006, 03:15 AM

Not griefing ? I think you are ... I will aree that doing damage first, charming, and sending pet in to die, gets experience. At level 70, 10 secs to die is an exaggeration ... 20 is more like it. But it is NOT a bug. I did damage to the mob ... it died ... I deserve exp. The only possible point of disagreement is how much exp I deserve.

If you are saying I get too much exp for killing a mob using tis method then I will simply agree to disagree. We can argue about a few points here or there. If you call this a bug then I will vehementally disagree and say that it is not a bug; it is the way it is meant to work.

Soldancer · 04-15-2006, 03:56 AM

Imagine You are SOE and have a problem with a class in Your MMORPG because too few people play that class.What could You do?

SeratedEdge · 04-15-2006, 05:01 AM

Encanta please tell me how I am griefing, I did not say to nerf anything. Other people were griefing the OP telling him he was wrong and he had no clue what he's talking about, I told them that it is possible. I also explained the OPs point again for people who looked only at the title and did not actually read his whole post where he even says at bottom he's not really looking for a nerf. The reason this is possible is simply the 1pt damage rule that was implemented a while back to prevent necromancers from AFK leveling was taken out. Now damage does not matter, only that the encounter is locked to you. However I beleive even if the 1pt damage rule would be reinstated coercers could still use this trick for fast XP. And I'm sorry for overexaggerating, but at mid 20s it only takes my coercer 10s per kill. Well it used to take more until i remembered I can cancel spells =P

Cersiana · 04-15-2006, 06:10 AM

Oh well the forum bug ate my first post. My point was, EVERY CLASS CAN CHARM NOW ! =p

It's in the wrong place with the wrong title. You don't want problems don't start a post with such a title. No I have never gotten significant XP from my pet dieing. If you find there's a problem take it to a gameplay part of the forums don't start with words like NERF but FIX!!!

Btw, my swashy leveled a heck of a lot faster than my Coercer. Cause charm sucks and swashy have nice dps! Oh well this guys on a crusade and I could care less. I'm not gonna argue with him cause it'd be stupid.

Hugs my fellow coercers ^_^ Don't worry about this post I have a feeling some are here just to argue.

Flipmode · 04-15-2006, 12:38 PM

nikecmh42 wrote:

CronusFateweaver wrote:
You do in fact get exp for your pet dying, as long as you damage it before you charm it. It's extremely unbalanced and if I were motivated I'm sure I could do 60-70 in a day or two without any problem. It's not something a coercer needs to be able to do, we have enough solo/group ability already.

That said, coming here and trolling this was unneccesary. Just feedback or bug it if you want to consider it a bug.

Message Edited by CronusFateweaver on 04-14-200601:46 AM

I'd xfer my 70 Conjuror and 70 Coercer to The Bazzarr Server and sell them to you for $1.00 if you could do this.

As explained above, you would have to deal a considerable amount of damage to the mob to get a small portion of the xp.

Coercer and Considerable do not add up. People like you who post stuff that makes 0 sense and toss out numbers ruin this game.

I power level my Mystic. If I dont take a mob to 75% damage or less I get JACK for xp. You have to deal at least 50% of the damage to the mob for you to get some xp that is acceptable. I do this all the time, so I know what i'm talking about. If you were to wack a mob, take off 1%, then have some donkey step in and kill it for you, you won't even see the xp bar move.

60-70 in a day or 2 would have already been done by Half the Coercer Community if this was even plausible, you just didn't magically stumble upon this. I used charm, like 3x from 60-70 personally.

Myth Busted !

I hate to confirm this but it is true. As long as you damage a mob solo or grp before you charm it you get the xp. If you say otherwise you dont know what you are talking about. Dont believe it...go find a spot with multiple solo ^^^ mobs and cast ego line on it, mez and then charm. Send it on on another ^^^ and watch the xp fly. Just because you dont make use of charm doesnt mean others dont. I would be happy to mentor your toon on mistmoore and give you a lesson on this. :smileywink:

Message Edited by Flipmode on 04-15-2006 02:48 AM

04-14-2006, 02:09 AM	#2
Petgroup Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 309	No idea what you are talking about but I can chain kill ^ ^ ^ Heroics ever since I got charm 2 years ago.Charm ^ ^ ^, send in against ^ ^ ^, my charmed wet blanket dies in 10 seconds. O boy, look out. __________________

04-14-2006, 07:25 AM	#6
Cersiana Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere Posts: 183	[Removed for Content], you must be listening to some [Removed for Content]. I have the same thing i only get the "bonus" XP for my pet dieing if it was part of a group encounter I don't get XP for my pet dieing sorry. If I could I wouldn't have been so adamant on grouping to grind to 70. Sorry I was a ranger first... yeah rangers usta could solo heroics... Now they cant do much at all. I'm sorry to be so ill but I've had one of my characters destroyed cause of peoples whining. I'm not gonna see it happen to a character that has just about nothing anyways. curtsey forgive the attitude and rudeness please. I just get tired of seeing this happen. Message Edited by Cersiana on 04-13-2006 08:29 PM __________________

04-14-2006, 12:45 PM	#7
CronusFateweav Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 30	You do in fact get exp for your pet dying, as long as you damage it before you charm it. It's extremely unbalanced and if I were motivated I'm sure I could do 60-70 in a day or two without any problem. It's not something a coercer needs to be able to do, we have enough solo/group ability already.That said, coming here and trolling this was unneccesary. Just feedback or bug it if you want to consider it a bug. Message Edited by CronusFateweaver on 04-14-2006 01:46 AM __________________ _________________________ Skewed - Coercer - Crushbone "Trust not too much to that enchanting face." -Virgil- Second Eclogue

04-14-2006, 04:01 PM	#9
Ulrick85 Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 103	our pets are no longer an encounter... how do we get xp off something thats not an encounter... there is also the fact that even if we do get xp.. its not the full amount you would get if you were to kill the heroic all by yourself without any charm tricks. Some rule about haveing to get a mob to atleast 50% health to get full xp... was put in place to keep a level 10 from hitting a mob once and then a level 30 kill it allowing the level 10 to keep full xp. __________________ ~Neriya 70 froglok coercer Oasis ~Arycel - 64 Warden

04-14-2006, 05:02 PM	#10
Petgroup Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 309	CronusFateweaver wrote: You do in fact get exp for your pet dying, as long as you damage it before you charm it. It's extremely unbalanced and if I were motivated I'm sure I could do 60-70 in a day or two without any problem. It's not something a coercer needs to be able to do, we have enough solo/group ability already.That said, coming here and trolling this was unneccesary. Just feedback or bug it if you want to consider it a bug. Message Edited by CronusFateweaver on 04-14-200601:46 AM I'd xfer my 70 Conjuror and 70 Coercer to The Bazzarr Server and sell them to you for $1.00 if you could do this.As explained above, you would have to deal a considerable amount of damage to the mob to get a small portion of the xp.Coercer and Considerable do not add up. People like you who post stuff that makes 0 sense and toss out numbers ruin this game.I power level my Mystic. If I dont take a mob to 75% damage or less I get JACK for xp. You have to deal at least 50% of the damage to the mob for you to get some xp that is acceptable. I do this all the time, so I know what i'm talking about. If you were to wack a mob, take off 1%, then have some donkey step in and kill it for you, you won't even see the xp bar move.60-70 in a day or 2 would have already been done by Half the Coercer Community if this was even plausible, you just didn't magically stumble upon this. I used charm, like 3x from 60-70 personally.Myth Busted ! __________________

04-14-2006, 12:50 AM	#1
Divine Pow Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 55	heh... So a coercer can chain kill ^^^ heroics every 20 seconds. I guess it isn't really a nerf I am asking about, more like fixing an exploit. You don't need a master quality charm spell for this either. I am surprised the update notes didn't make notice of a fix for this so I feel the need to [Removed for Content] off the coercers, sorry guys but it isn't right.

04-14-2006, 02:27 AM	#3
Azmode General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 213	Dude, I have been a [Removed for Content] off coercer since the game launched. You cant come in here and troll to [Removed for Content] me off. Stop your crying, we are the most underplayed class for a reason. This crap comming from a necromancer..... Message Edited by Azmodeus on 04-13-2006 03:28 PM

04-14-2006, 04:33 AM	#4
Divine Pow Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 55	I'll state it - you get EXP when your pet dies.

04-14-2006, 05:20 AM	#5
Prevo Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 22	The only time I've gotten xp from my pet dying is if it was part of a multi-mob encounter and, with it being the last one in the encounter to die, completes the 'bonus' xp requirement from the earlier fight. Even then I don't think it always does that. I lost at least a dozen pets today alone, all single mob charms (not from a multi-mob encounter) and got no xp for them, whether they were no arrow, single arrow or triple arrow pets.

04-14-2006, 01:52 PM	#8
Anachronomicon Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 47	Ya, thanks for [Removed for Content] everyone off, jerk.

04-14-2006, 05:19 PM	#11
Verdemy Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 59	Hey Mr. knowitall troll, You don't know what you are talking about. Please take your trolling post and stuff yourself. Where it hurts...don't you have something better to do then worry about a class that you don't even play or understand. Eat dirt and crawl back in your troll cave, jerk !

04-14-2006, 05:51 PM	#12
Zearo Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 54	Go somewhere else.. and a question for ya... NECROS GET CHARM, TROUBS GET CHARM, AN AA POWER FOR DRUIDS GET CHARM SO HOW IS THIS RELATED TO COERCERS ONLY and how would they fix that? I never get xp from a ^^^ mob taht is by itself Message Edited by cobalty2004 on 04-14-2006 06:52 AM

04-14-2006, 08:12 PM	#13
Tanatus Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,003	Dude ...... a) you DONT get exp then your pet die to mob .... (I wish it work that way...) b) you DO get quest updates if you using for that charmed pet aka you need update scalborn warriors blood for blood of brood quest - YES you can chain charm warriors sick em on another warrior and no matter who die first quest counter will work c) I have seen couple times then upon pet death I did recieve AA exp BUT in order to do that I have do 50+ % damage on mob (which is believe me nearly impossive) also I need have pet full health at the begining of attack also I need have pet that roughly equal of prey aka if I send +++ vs. ++ and my pet die I wont get any exp.... I have use +++ vs +++ or ++ vs ++. d) Lastly its not really practical by any means .... it is much cheaper and faster for me to charm Corpse flame and just tear apart population of Ravasect island OR zone into HOF charm Destoyer and tear upart everything but named all way up to centurion then zone out force zone repop and for repair upon needs (because by doing such kind of solo we DO die a lot but Reward for such Risk is pays off)

04-14-2006, 08:38 PM	#14
SeratedEdge Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 23	For all you people saying its not possible, i watched someone doing it and leveling from 20-21 in less than an hour, and also got 2 master chests by using this trick on the defiled lords in SH, also netting him some AAxp. The thing is, you are doing more than 50% of the dmg, noone else is doing damage to the mob. You can chain heroic mobs like this every 20~ seconds. Forgot to mention, corpses dissapear also, and it's not a surefire method, he died in excess of 10 times the whole time he was in there. Message Edited by SeratedEdge on 04-14-2006 09:45 AM

04-14-2006, 08:58 PM	#15
PluvianMi Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 195	Gee, I used to take my mid-20s (at the time) Defiler into TS to kill the ^^^ heroic skellies and zombies (when they were yellow to me) and gotten 7% - 10% per kill. It just isn't fair. :smileysurprised: I can take a small group (3-4 random classes) of a in the same level range into RoV to kill the golems at get a similar amount of XP per kill. It just isn't fair. :smileysurprised: In T6 and T7 I made a heck of a lot more experience in a good group with a fast pulling tank and a ton of other dps'ers in the right zones / areas / instances than I could while soloing. Spent a few hours last night with a fast and fun group in PoA, got the 80%+ experience I needed to reach level 70, got multiple master drops (2 of which I personally got and gave away to friends), got lots of other loot, had a great time. It just isn't fair. :smileysurprised: The Wizzy in the group got even more experience to ding level 70. The others in the group were primarily already level 70 and all they got was additional AA levels. It just isn't fair. :smileysurprised:

04-14-2006, 09:12 PM	#16
Ulrick85 Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 103	SeratedEdge wrote: For all you people saying its not possible, i watched someone doing it and leveling from 20-21 doing that in the level 20's i can agree with... but guess what.. my illusionist solo killed triple ups in that level range... so did my SK, Monk, and Warden... im sure my necro won't have a problem with it either when i get her to that level... not to offend you but if this complaint is out of jealousy.. then pick a class you know how to play better... __________________ ~Neriya 70 froglok coercer Oasis ~Arycel - 64 Warden

04-14-2006, 09:20 PM	#17
SeratedEdge Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 23	not to offend you but if this complaint is out of jealousy.. then pick a class you know how to play better... This is not a complaint, nor is everything always about me me me i want more. I was simply stating that it is possible.

04-14-2006, 09:27 PM	#18
Ulrick85 Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 103	SeratedEdge wrote: not to offend you but if this complaint is out of jealousy.. then pick a class you know how to play better... This is not a complaint, nor is everything always about me me me i want more. I was simply stating that it is possible. sorry went back after words and realized you weren't the original OP... that part was refering to them I will admit it was possible at one time... however in the higher levels it is unlikely that someone will take their own chamred pet down by 50% health in order to get any decent xp... an enemy mob taking your pet down and killing it does not reflect the dmg YOU yourself has done upon the pet. I have not gotten xp from my pet dieing since mid way through DOF when SOE figured out we were using this tactic on spectres (or atleast i was blush) __________________ ~Neriya 70 froglok coercer Oasis ~Arycel - 64 Warden

04-14-2006, 09:51 PM	#19
SikkistVendetta Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 13	There are 201 Coercers game wide that are lvl 70. Compare that to... Guardian -759 Berserker - 665 Monk - 476 Bruiser - 348 Shadowknight - 387 Paladin - 622 Templar - 774 Inquisitor - 414 Warden - 434 Fury - 638 Mystic - 422 Defiler - 287 Wizard - 914 Warlock - 468 Illusionist - 278 Conjuror - 646 Necromancer - 563 Swashbuckler - 366 Brigand - 291 Troubador - 319 Dirge - 360 Ranger - 517 Assassin - 420 If what you suggest is even close to reality, why is there so few coercers? In fact, why are we the smallest portion of the lvl 70 players game wide? Nerf everyone else imo.

04-14-2006, 10:02 PM	#20
soho Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 25	lol, I'd like that 70 conjuror please.

04-14-2006, 11:51 PM	#21
Cersiana Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere Posts: 183	[Removed for Content] what you said about the coercer in SH.. Yeah every class can do those kind things if played correctly. Yes again your basing what an entire class can do off one person. You know anyclass can charm now with new charm items and AA abilities.. Don't come grief at one class that can charm when its everyone now. And you know. I never seen the XP from my pet dieing cause I normally just charm a random mob standing around by itself. Maybe I'm just to busy to knowtice.. Oh and just so you know there classes that are a LOT easier to solo such things on. SO yeah please... Go away we don't need whining here. We are bad enough off without people trying to cause us problems.. __________________

04-15-2006, 01:58 AM	#22
SeratedEdge Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 23	[Removed for Content] what you said about the coercer in SH.. Yeah every class can do those kind things if played correctly. Yes again your basing what an entire class can do off one person. You know anyclass can charm now with new charm items and AA abilities.. Don't come grief at one class that can charm when its everyone now. And you know. I never seen the XP from my pet dieing cause I normally just charm a random mob standing around by itself. Maybe I'm just to busy to knowtice.. Oh and just so you know there classes that are a LOT easier to solo such things on. SO yeah please... Go away we don't need whining here. We are bad enough off without people trying to cause us problems.. Again, i am not griefing, I am stating it is possible. Just because you don't notice xp when you charm a mob if you damage it first does not mean it doesn't happen. I don't see how anything can be easier to solo then doing 1 point of damage then charming and sending against a heroic mob. Pet dead in 10 sec tops, you use only mana for charming. Also please, read what is being said, granted it is said in the wrong way, but the poster is NOT asking for a nerf to coercers, he is asking for a bug being used by coercers to be fixed.

04-15-2006, 02:19 AM	#23
PluvianMi Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 195	So the OP doesn't want done what title of the thread says?

04-15-2006, 02:29 AM	#24
SeratedEdge Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 23	Read what he says, he is saying nerf coercers in the title, what he is asking for is for charm to be fixed so it cannot be exploited in the way that some people are.

04-15-2006, 02:42 AM	#25
CronusFateweav Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 30	The fact is, this has not always worked this way. It may be just with LU22, or perhaps further back than that. I only started playing this game again two days ago, and I only noticed this occuring yesterday, so I can't say for sure. The point being, you only have to do SOME damage to the mob (an Ego Burst while it kills your current pet works) then charm it, then let it die, and you get full exp. You get no body, but you do get chests and quest updates. I was chaining 65^^^s in Sanctum of the Scaleborn (at 61-62) doing this, low risk, and the exp I got would have been sufficient to do 60-70 in a 48, and maybe 24 hour window, I absolutely guarantee it. I don't want your 70s, but grats on those, I'm sure someone else has a single burning a hole in their pocket Anyhow, I won't repeat it again, but go test it and prove it to yourself if you do not believe me. Obviously if you're already 70 you'll just have to take my word for it, or make another coercer, if you so desire. __________________ _________________________ Skewed - Coercer - Crushbone "Trust not too much to that enchanting face." -Virgil- Second Eclogue

04-15-2006, 03:15 AM	#26
Encantador Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 297	Not griefing ? I think you are ... I will aree that doing damage first, charming, and sending pet in to die, gets experience. At level 70, 10 secs to die is an exaggeration ... 20 is more like it. But it is NOT a bug. I did damage to the mob ... it died ... I deserve exp. The only possible point of disagreement is how much exp I deserve. If you are saying I get too much exp for killing a mob using tis method then I will simply agree to disagree. We can argue about a few points here or there. If you call this a bug then I will vehementally disagree and say that it is not a bug; it is the way it is meant to work.

04-15-2006, 03:56 AM	#27
Soldancer Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 458	Imagine You are SOE and have a problem with a class in Your MMORPG because too few people play that class.What could You do?

04-15-2006, 05:01 AM	#28
SeratedEdge Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 23	Encanta please tell me how I am griefing, I did not say to nerf anything. Other people were griefing the OP telling him he was wrong and he had no clue what he's talking about, I told them that it is possible. I also explained the OPs point again for people who looked only at the title and did not actually read his whole post where he even says at bottom he's not really looking for a nerf. The reason this is possible is simply the 1pt damage rule that was implemented a while back to prevent necromancers from AFK leveling was taken out. Now damage does not matter, only that the encounter is locked to you. However I beleive even if the 1pt damage rule would be reinstated coercers could still use this trick for fast XP. And I'm sorry for overexaggerating, but at mid 20s it only takes my coercer 10s per kill. Well it used to take more until i remembered I can cancel spells =P

04-15-2006, 06:10 AM	#29
Cersiana Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere Posts: 183	Oh well the forum bug ate my first post. My point was, EVERY CLASS CAN CHARM NOW ! =p It's in the wrong place with the wrong title. You don't want problems don't start a post with such a title. No I have never gotten significant XP from my pet dieing. If you find there's a problem take it to a gameplay part of the forums don't start with words like NERF but FIX!!! Btw, my swashy leveled a heck of a lot faster than my Coercer. Cause charm sucks and swashy have nice dps! Oh well this guys on a crusade and I could care less. I'm not gonna argue with him cause it'd be stupid. Hugs my fellow coercers ^_^ Don't worry about this post I have a feeling some are here just to argue. __________________

04-15-2006, 12:38 PM	#30
Flipmode Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 301	nikecmh42 wrote: CronusFateweaver wrote: You do in fact get exp for your pet dying, as long as you damage it before you charm it. It's extremely unbalanced and if I were motivated I'm sure I could do 60-70 in a day or two without any problem. It's not something a coercer needs to be able to do, we have enough solo/group ability already. That said, coming here and trolling this was unneccesary. Just feedback or bug it if you want to consider it a bug. Message Edited by CronusFateweaver on 04-14-200601:46 AM I'd xfer my 70 Conjuror and 70 Coercer to The Bazzarr Server and sell them to you for $1.00 if you could do this. As explained above, you would have to deal a considerable amount of damage to the mob to get a small portion of the xp. Coercer and Considerable do not add up. People like you who post stuff that makes 0 sense and toss out numbers ruin this game. I power level my Mystic. If I dont take a mob to 75% damage or less I get JACK for xp. You have to deal at least 50% of the damage to the mob for you to get some xp that is acceptable. I do this all the time, so I know what i'm talking about. If you were to wack a mob, take off 1%, then have some donkey step in and kill it for you, you won't even see the xp bar move. 60-70 in a day or 2 would have already been done by Half the Coercer Community if this was even plausible, you just didn't magically stumble upon this. I used charm, like 3x from 60-70 personally. Myth Busted ! I hate to confirm this but it is true. As long as you damage a mob solo or grp before you charm it you get the xp. If you say otherwise you dont know what you are talking about. Dont believe it...go find a spot with multiple solo ^^^ mobs and cast ego line on it, mez and then charm. Send it on on another ^^^ and watch the xp fly. Just because you dont make use of charm doesnt mean others dont. I would be happy to mentor your toon on mistmoore and give you a lesson on this. :smileywink: Message Edited by Flipmode on 04-15-2006 02:48 AM