Illusionist vs Wizard?

xxxmonkx · 06-16-2006, 11:56 AM

From what I can tell, illusionists have...

Sub-par nukes
Great buffs
Great crowd control
and a Pet
(also cool illusion spells XD)

Wizards have

Huge direct damage
Huge direct damage
Huge direct damage

I have noticed wizards are a dime a dozen and illusionists are quite rare, is there a reason behind this? Oh and how good are illusionist pets?

one more question, which one is more fun?

Althena · 06-16-2006, 04:19 PM

xxxmonkxxx wrote:
From what I can tell, illusionists have...Sub-par nukes- trueGreat buffs- good buffs, nothing a group couldnt live withoutGreat crowd control- subjective... compared to everyone else... sure.and a Pet - its ok, nerfed this patch - still if you want a pet play a pet class they are way better at it.(also cool illusion spells XD) - ROFLWizards haveHuge direct damageHuge direct damageHuge direct damageGreat BUffsGreat Group utility (evacs, feeding mana, etc)I have noticed wizards are a dime a dozen and illusionists are quite rare, is there a reason behind this? Oh and how good are illusionist pets?Illusionist are rare because frankly they are not a powerful class really, but if you play it right it can be one, but after the live update its not so good. But not 100% badone more question, which one is more fun?Subjective, depends on you.

Impetus · 06-16-2006, 07:49 PM

My rule of thumb: if you have more than 2 x's in your name... go wizard. SMILEY

Manyak · 06-16-2006, 10:07 PM

wizards dont have GREAT group buffs.....their int buff buffs STR and ours buffs WIS....instead of haste they get a melee proc (about 25-30 DPS per person)....then they get a tank buff that has a chance to proc mana when hes hit. and a 12 sec group spell proc. thats it.

as for group utility, we can feed mana too. just cant evac. wizzies also have a single target mezz that mezzes themselves at the same time ([Removed for Content]). and thats it for their utility.

Xanoth · 06-19-2006, 03:22 PM

Impetus wrote:
My rule of thumb: if you have more than 2 x's in your name... go wizard.

or monk....

sprogn · 06-25-2006, 04:57 PM

Show me a Wizard that can save the day when the tank indavertantly overpulls 4 seperate ^^^ yellow encounters...

enc · 06-25-2006, 05:55 PM

sprognak wrote:
Show me a Wizard that can save the day when the tank indavertantly overpulls 4 seperate ^^^ yellow encounters...

hmmm so what? show me an illusionnist that casts 10k nukes.... Not that i want my illu to, but this kind of comparisons is non sense.

Vladisla · 06-25-2006, 07:51 PM

That's a silly point Sprognak, any wizard can hit evac, and that evac saves the group as much as the Illusionist mezzing the adds. Where Illusionists excell is tactics and strategy. Beeing able to take large encounters and overwhealming odds with minimal or underpowered forces..When a group works with us though it's a think of beauty. I don't raid much, so i cant speak to those scenarios, but in single groups, it's a tossup, with the Wizard taking a lot less effort and grey hairs to accomplish the same task. Well have to see if that remains the same in the next few "patches"

sprogn · 06-26-2006, 12:33 AM

enc wrote:
sprognak wrote:
Show me a Wizard that can save the day when the tank indavertantly overpulls 4 seperate ^^^ yellow encounters...

hmmm so what? show me an illusionnist that casts 10k nukes.... Not that i want my illu to, but this kind of comparisons is non sense.

Although you got the point I was trying to make, you misunderstood my intentions in the post SMILEY

The point is Wizards and Illusionists are totally distinct classes and other than the fact that both wear cloth armour, have very little in common.Want big nukes, go Wizard. Want a group to go "Wow, how the hell did we survive THAT! That was AMAZING" then play an Illusionist.

Effie · 06-26-2006, 05:51 PM

Like comparing apples to volkswagens

Tarkadal · 06-26-2006, 07:05 PM

Effie wrote:
Like comparing apples to volkswagens

Meaning their both overrated, overpriced and emphasize style over substance? :smileytongue:

Impetus · 06-26-2006, 08:36 PM

Tarkadal wrote:
Effie wrote:
Like comparing apples to volkswagens
Meaning their both overrated, overpriced and emphasize style over substance? :smileytongue:

Well played. SMILEY

*golf clap*

Effie · 06-27-2006, 08:11 PM

Impetus wrote:

Tarkadal wrote:

Effie wrote:
Like comparing apples to volkswagens

Meaning their both overrated, overpriced and emphasize style over substance? :smileytongue:

Well played.
*golf clap*

I think apples are both underrated and reasonably priced.. they are quite delicious grouped up with other fruits in pies and fruit cups or all by themselves when eaten solo.

I quite enjoy apples.

06-16-2006, 04:19 PM	#2
Althena Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 73	xxxmonkxxx wrote: From what I can tell, illusionists have...Sub-par nukes- trueGreat buffs- good buffs, nothing a group couldnt live withoutGreat crowd control- subjective... compared to everyone else... sure.and a Pet - its ok, nerfed this patch - still if you want a pet play a pet class they are way better at it.(also cool illusion spells XD) - ROFLWizards haveHuge direct damageHuge direct damageHuge direct damageGreat BUffsGreat Group utility (evacs, feeding mana, etc)I have noticed wizards are a dime a dozen and illusionists are quite rare, is there a reason behind this? Oh and how good are illusionist pets?Illusionist are rare because frankly they are not a powerful class really, but if you play it right it can be one, but after the live update its not so good. But not 100% badone more question, which one is more fun?Subjective, depends on you.

06-16-2006, 07:49 PM	#3
Impetus Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 340	My rule of thumb: if you have more than 2 x's in your name... go wizard. __________________ ------------------------------------------------------ Aylowan, 70 Illusionist, Blackburrow

06-16-2006, 10:07 PM	#4
Manyak Tester Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 822	wizards dont have GREAT group buffs.....their int buff buffs STR and ours buffs WIS....instead of haste they get a melee proc (about 25-30 DPS per person)....then they get a tank buff that has a chance to proc mana when hes hit. and a 12 sec group spell proc. thats it. as for group utility, we can feed mana too. just cant evac. wizzies also have a single target mezz that mezzes themselves at the same time ([Removed for Content]). and thats it for their utility. __________________

06-19-2006, 03:22 PM	#5
Xanoth Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Durham, UK Posts: 928	Impetus wrote: My rule of thumb: if you have more than 2 x's in your name... go wizard. or monk.... __________________ Xanoth Leader of Xanadu EQ2 Raid Loot Database

06-25-2006, 04:57 PM	#6
sprogn General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 475	Show me a Wizard that can save the day when the tank indavertantly overpulls 4 seperate ^^^ yellow encounters... __________________

06-16-2006, 11:56 AM	#1
xxxmonkx General Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3	From what I can tell, illusionists have... Sub-par nukes Great buffs Great crowd control and a Pet (also cool illusion spells XD) Wizards have Huge direct damage Huge direct damage Huge direct damage I have noticed wizards are a dime a dozen and illusionists are quite rare, is there a reason behind this? Oh and how good are illusionist pets? one more question, which one is more fun?

06-25-2006, 05:55 PM	#7
enc Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 61	sprognak wrote: Show me a Wizard that can save the day when the tank indavertantly overpulls 4 seperate ^^^ yellow encounters... hmmm so what? show me an illusionnist that casts 10k nukes.... Not that i want my illu to, but this kind of comparisons is non sense.

06-25-2006, 07:51 PM	#8
Vladisla Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1	That's a silly point Sprognak, any wizard can hit evac, and that evac saves the group as much as the Illusionist mezzing the adds. Where Illusionists excell is tactics and strategy. Beeing able to take large encounters and overwhealming odds with minimal or underpowered forces..When a group works with us though it's a think of beauty. I don't raid much, so i cant speak to those scenarios, but in single groups, it's a tossup, with the Wizard taking a lot less effort and grey hairs to accomplish the same task. Well have to see if that remains the same in the next few "patches"

06-26-2006, 12:33 AM	#9
sprogn General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 475	enc wrote: sprognak wrote: Show me a Wizard that can save the day when the tank indavertantly overpulls 4 seperate ^^^ yellow encounters... hmmm so what? show me an illusionnist that casts 10k nukes.... Not that i want my illu to, but this kind of comparisons is non sense. Although you got the point I was trying to make, you misunderstood my intentions in the post The point is Wizards and Illusionists are totally distinct classes and other than the fact that both wear cloth armour, have very little in common.Want big nukes, go Wizard. Want a group to go "Wow, how the hell did we survive THAT! That was AMAZING" then play an Illusionist. __________________

06-26-2006, 05:51 PM	#10
Effie Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 933	Like comparing apples to volkswagens

06-26-2006, 07:05 PM	#11
Tarkadal Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 104	Effie wrote: Like comparing apples to volkswagens Meaning their both overrated, overpriced and emphasize style over substance? :smileytongue:

06-26-2006, 08:36 PM	#12
Impetus Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 340	Tarkadal wrote: Effie wrote: Like comparing apples to volkswagens Meaning their both overrated, overpriced and emphasize style over substance? :smileytongue: Well played. golf clap __________________ ------------------------------------------------------ Aylowan, 70 Illusionist, Blackburrow

06-27-2006, 08:11 PM	#13
Effie Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 933	Impetus wrote: Tarkadal wrote: Effie wrote: Like comparing apples to volkswagens Meaning their both overrated, overpriced and emphasize style over substance? :smileytongue: Well played. golf clap I think apples are both underrated and reasonably priced.. they are quite delicious grouped up with other fruits in pies and fruit cups or all by themselves when eaten solo. I quite enjoy apples.