How is your Warlock Pvp exp?

[Goodwill]

HiIm a new pvp warlock, I have chossen this class due to the fact that I dont see many warlocks on PvP (maybe Im wrong) I want to play a rare class and I do like this evil class How is your experience so far? do we stand a chance, 1v2 and in grps?

[Ri]

From what I have seen is PvP involes alot of catching your opponents off guard when out in the wild. None of the caster classes can really do this well because you spend a few seconds casting the first spell. Maybe you are lucky and they didn't see you casting it, but the second it hits they will probably start to run. A few more seconds pass and your second spell is ready to go off, by now of course they are already out of range.

I have heard pet based mages are pretty good in PvP though, focus on your stun type spells while your DPS pet takes bite after bite out of their HP

[observer]

As a lvl 26 warlock, it's been terrible so far for me. :smileysad:

 

My Fearful Bind always resists, but i think thats because it's App1.  Dark Distortion master 2 is pretty good though, just the casting time is really slow.  The casting time for us in general is too slow in my opinion. :smileymad:

 

[SonorousX]

I made an evil alt as a Warlock, so I'll tell you how it is when I get high enough. So far I see how it may be alright. As long as I'm grouped fighting another group, I can just cast some AE spells and see them drop. But, I'll probably get killed really fast and none of this will actually happen...

[Mainoumi]

 If you are gonna solo then stay hyper alert and play smart. Stay by people or go far away from zone enterances and be prepared to run or die. Always know where the zone ent is. Your best bet however is to get into groups whenever possible, strength in numbers as they say. Debuff when your target is higher then you and if fighting an even group use your area stun as soon as it comes up. When you get freeze you have 2 100-200 damage spells, match that with your two dots and you do some serious damage. I am surprised how often I am able to hit orange guys once I have debuffed them. In groups I will often seek out the mage and nuke away ignoring their tank. If you are camping a zone enterance your group should form a WIDE circle around and far enough away from the ent so the enemy does not see you (invis/hide) when they zone in. It also helps to have one guy set his AFK flag and to sit at the enterance. Your main goal in this instance is to draw them away from the zone and get them to attack. I'm not sure yet but I am really thinking everyone should allways target the softies first. Thats it for now, gotta go see if the server is back up.

[ximo]

I rolled a warlock on PVP and think I made a mistake, you need lots of DD and fast to take out sneaky freeportians! That said im only in my teens and have a few DOTS and AE, really no need for the AE yet even in grps as just wanna take the healer/summoner out fast!!Hehe, scout seems to be the way to go as you can use tracking to trace low level players (As you can kill players 8 levels lower than you - yes I know)

[Drusilla]

It was hard to pvp in the teens, but I dinged 20 and got a the new AE spell. Well it 1 shots scouts and casters( maybe 2) did a few 1s today in CL. Not sure, but IMO they are good.

[Mainoumi]

Ive been soloing evens con and yellow cons pretty [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] well thank you very much.  Complain all you like but Im lvl 17 and have been doing this since I was 10. I ambush the gankers who have been [Removed for Content] our noob areas and have yet to even make it to TS or beyond! The key is to make it your fight not there's. Hide in the geometry and surprise them with your DD then if your low teens put your 2 dots on em or root if they come at ya. Someone mention no ae but thats not true, you get a fine stun spell that will save your [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] solo and is great when in a group and fighting another group. Plus you have an emergency fast cast stun.

[matinisback]

For pvp if your a warlock you have no choice but to gank lower lvl's with 2 hit's some time's 1  so yes warlock's are good

[Mainoumi]

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coltsfancolts wrote:

For pvp if your a warlock you have no choice but to gank lower lvl's with 2 hit's some time's 1  so yes warlock's are good

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 Colts your 100% wrong. Like my posts stated I have been doing great in PvP but then again I've been pking since my UO years so I am quite practiced. Go play another class if you think this one sucks at PvP, more items for sale at lower prices for me. 

Message Edited by Mainoumi on 02-27-200611:25 AM

[Tchazz]

I got my warlock to lev23 on Darathar and about rank I managed to get in the top 100 PvP leaderboard.

So yes I think warlocks are very good.

With the right combo of moves and strategy I have taken down about 4 oranges, and many yellows not to mention groups of players of lower lev etc

Lev 23 is a good level for Warlocks I think at 20 we get a massive dmg AoE and at lev 23 we get a massive damage DD.

Usually I get behind the player and start up casting my AoE DD and stun spell (because it takes longer to cast and usually the player doesnt know about you until it hits) then I charge up either a big DD or my big AoE then follow by the single stun (which also does great dmg) then followed by more DD's and AoE and usually they are dead around about this time. If they survive give them a root run out of range of combat and spells and wait for your spells to recharge and start again with a stun and then a big DD. Most classes I find quite easy to take down I have had problems with Furies, Dirges but in the end I think its more to do with the skill of the player who you are up against.

Try to keep your calm during the fight and just think about what the most sensible thing to do next is.

[CPronger]

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Tchazzar wrote:

I got my warlock to lev23 on Darathar and about rank I managed to get in the top 100 PvP leaderboard.

So yes I think warlocks are very good.

With the right combo of moves and strategy I have taken down about 4 oranges, and many yellows not to mention groups of players of lower lev etc

Lev 23 is a good level for Warlocks I think at 20 we get a massive dmg AoE and at lev 23 we get a massive damage DD.

Usually I get behind the player and start up casting my AoE DD and stun spell (because it takes longer to cast and usually the player doesnt know about you until it hits) then I charge up either a big DD or my big AoE then follow by the single stun (which also does great dmg) then followed by more DD's and AoE and usually they are dead around about this time. If they survive give them a root run out of range of combat and spells and wait for your spells to recharge and start again with a stun and then a big DD. Most classes I find quite easy to take down I have had problems with Furies, Dirges but in the end I think its more to do with the skill of the player who you are up against.

Try to keep your calm during the fight and just think about what the most sensible thing to do next is.

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Sorry, unless you're talking about running in a group I'm going to have to call BS on this post.  I am the number 6 ranked Freeport warlock on Naggy and in the top 15 overall and there is no way I could take out even 2 oranges at once solo.  One of them would be tough unless they were really horrible.  You don't even have Dark Distortion at master 2 yet if you're only level 23 so there's just no way I can believe you.

My own experience is that warlocks are pretty good but at the lower levels we don't have much to counter people rushing us.  Root sucks in pvp.  It breaks early almost 100% of the time.  Once it breaks on a melee class, you're kind of screwed unless you have them almost finished because they all seem to have numerous stun/interrupt skills and it's hard to get a spell off.

Message Edited by CPronger44 on 03-04-200602:10 PM

[Q'Rast]

I'm sure he meant 4 all in all, not at the same time =)

[CPronger]

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Q'Rastih wrote:I'm sure he meant 4 all in all, not at the same time =)

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Well that makes more sense.  Still, orange con players have to be pretty incompetent to lose to a green solo.  They have a huge advantage despite the changes in the last patch.

I like my warlock a lot though, especially if I'm in a good group.

[krowbis]

I agree with CPronger44.  Sure, I can take out oranges if they're in panic mode.  But by the time your around 40 you find a lot less panic mode players.  I can still solo oranges but only if I'm lucky.  What I have to do is sneak up behind them and get some what close.   Then I do the following:1.  Nil Distortion2.  Hope that it takes them a sec to find me as I cast Flash Freeze3.  Aura of Darkness.  (it's a quick cast and the extra damage really helps)4.  Noxious Bolt5.  Dark Pyre6.  They runI can get to step 6 with out getting hit but it takes lots of luck, and if you make it that far with out getting hit they not start to run and you play cat and mouse for a while.  My spells are Adepts and Masters so that helps.Our real strength is group PvP.  Group combat is so frantic I find until a few people in my group drop I can normally get off all 3 AoE's before I'm even targeted.  They are all Masters and the mass damage they cause really helps the group pick off people.  The most annoying part about that is that I'll do well over a 1000+ (sometimes coming close to 2000+) to everyone in one encounter but not technically strike the death blow.  I shoot the AoE's off immediately then the assassins run around, clean up the mess, and take the credit.  But I don't mind.  To watch those 6 large numbers float above the enemys heads is pleasing.Out of curriosity, how are you determing your 6th place ranking CPronger44?  Just by level rank?  I'm 10 server wide but don't know where you would look just to see Freeport/Qeynos rank.  Or are you talking about something else like PvP ranking?Krowbis

[krowbis]

One other thing.  PvP is really about group combat.  It's more fun and its easier as a caster to be effective with a Tank taunting.  But as far as solo goes you don't really come into your own tell 24.  At 24 you will have 3 DDs one of them could be a Master II if you choose it as your upgrade.  Before 24 ands much harder to kill solo even cons.  Freeze, DD, DoT combo just doesn't drop them enough.  Even if you get a scout down to 1/4 life they can still kill you do to stuns/interupts.  So for my fellow PvPer Warlocks out there hang in there tell atlest 24 I say.  Your DPS goes up a lot at 24.Krowbis

[matinisback]

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Mainoumi wrote:

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coltsfancolts wrote:

For pvp if your a warlock you have no choice but to gank lower lvl's with 2 hit's some time's 1  so yes warlock's are good

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 Colts your 100% wrong. Like my posts stated I have been doing great in PvP but then again I've been pking since my UO years so I am quite practiced. Go play another class if you think this one sucks at PvP, more items for sale at lower prices for me. 

Message Edited by Mainoumi on 02-27-200611:25 AM

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Well.... if you dont think killing low lvl's with a lv l24 master 2 spell isnt fun  then i dont know what :smileyvery-happy:

[Supercheese]

Mastering a warlock in pvp is an extremely difficult art, but once you get the hang of playing one, you'll find they have a strong edge against nearly all the other classes, you just gotta figure out what to cast in what situation.  They might not be sensible for anything, but warlocks're uber fun to play.  If you get to lvl 30 and you still don't like playing your warlock, there's plenty of other classess that run around randomly mashing buttons.

[Blackcompany]

Soloing warlocks depend greatly on their AA specs.  With the right AA lines solo warlocks are scary.  At around 50 AA you can kill just about anything 1v1 (except healers - you just don't have the spike damage) and quite a few 1v2.

Focused Casting (left side Lock) and Stamina to Manashield make solo locks extremely nasty in PvP.  Our raid tank guardian rolled a lock to try something new, he recently clipped 50 AA at around level 50 and can repeatedly take out orange con rangers. 

As far as group PvP goes, train your healer to concentrate on keeping you alive first.  At the higher levels you'll very quickly see what I mean.

Unfortunatly our raid spec does not really incorporate the Stm line so my recommendation would be to respec to Agi and Str/Wis when you hit 70 if you want to try raiding. 

Either way, it seems locks pretty much follow the pattern of 1-23 your in for a rough time.  24 your a god.  25-50ish goes downhill in a hurry.  50+ with an AA spec that matches your playstyle you really come into your own.

Many locks get discouraged during the 25-50 "dark times".  However if you can stick it out and learn your class well your server will definatly know who you are in PvP.

[Phineus]

 I rolled a lock on launch day. Didnt play him much til april of last year. Was once ranked top 3 in the world for title(I now make nakey runs to freeport to derank myself). Here is my take. I cant solo for crap. Its more personal than the class. I have very poor reaction time and that doesnt go well with the class and assassins and brigands around every corner. I have a tough time on healers but have acquired the stifle stick from unrest. I have yet to see it proc but if it does them healers are mine. Get your skill stats up. Disruption and subjegation are paramount.

 3 or 4 warlocks can decimate a raid if they arent getting hit. 1 warlock in a t7 pvp group is scary. If they have 2 your completely screwed. A good pair can do 100k damage in less than 20 seconds if their timers are up. I think it was ultimatum that said. There are two classes that turn the tide in pvp. Warlocks and Enchanters. If you have either the fight is already half won. Comes down to tanking and healing from there. In t4 and t5 I got about 2000 kills and 150 deaths while group pvping. We didnt lose many fights, even those I died on due to burst dps we usually won.

 Alas, if I had to do it over Id play an ezmode class. Take your pic of predators and rogues and they are way easier to pvp with. My anecdote I like to share is. It took me 4 months to get dread on my warlock(qeynos was outnumbered pretty badly). It took 2 weeks on my swash. 800 kills and 20 deaths on a class Ive never played in my life. EQ2 is very slanted towards those classes in pvp. They have safefall, evac, tracking and very good mitigation. We have had a rogue tank labs for us. Seen the parses and the rogue does more dps, holds aggro better and takes less damage zonewide than our tanks. Plus they can buff to 10k+ hp in a good group. Throw in the t1 dps they put out and they are the obvious choice.

[JimmyC01]

Well boys and girls...I am the leading Warlock on all PvP servers and its not easy. I can solo almost any class expect most healers. Group PvP is definately the best...if you healer can keep you up...the results are amazing. Remember one thing...you will be a huge target so get used to it.

[Dasein-07]

I am a level 70 warlock on the Q side on Naggy. I am not uber, mostly legendary with some fabled and almost all master 1 spells. I love my warlock but pvp can be pretty frustrating, especially if you like to solo and quest/harvest. That combo as a Warlock will get you killed allot. In one v one, where niether person gets a jump, I find I can do pretty well against most classes. The exception being uber (fully fabled/pvp geared) brigs and bruisers. Those two classes give me fits.  Healers are tough as well, as mentioned earlier. You need to spike through their heals and that can be tough. Harmtouch is nasty, necro pets are a pain, coerecers can make you look extremely silly. Tanks hate null caress (my favorite spell) and a fight between sorcs is basically an old west gunfight.

As for group PVP, yep, we are nasty and ussually target number 1 for the other side.

 AA specs do make a big difference and the decision to go stamina or raid specced (agi/wis/str) will have a big impact on PVP. Hastings rocks and should be your first AA tree in PVP. Magi's shielding is also worth every point and has kept me standing in many raids when all the other clothies have bit a AOE.

Warlocks are a difficult class to PVP and if PVP is your sole concern, then I would recommend a rogue or druid. But for all around fun, warlocks are tough to beat.

[Sildeven]

Blackcompany@Venekor wrote:

Soloing warlocks depend greatly on their AA specs.  With the right AA lines solo warlocks are scary.  At around 50 AA you can kill just about anything 1v1 (except healers - you just don't have the spike damage) and quite a few 1v2.

I have a warlock level 35 on a pvp server.  I currently have 41aas on this toon.  I took alot of beatings while doing questing but it was good practice for soloing.  The lock is by far the most nastiest pvp char I have ever played.  I can tell you if your not making the sta line your first pick for aas your missing the boat.  I can go into rov and stand toe to toe with the 31 triple up clay golems and kill them without getting off manashield.  I can rip through brigands, bruisers and assassins like swiss cheese without even having to root them.  Heres a little tip.  Damage shield is your friend.  And there are a few adornments that will help compliment the sta line nicely. 

[Splintered]

My warlock alt is currently lvl 29 champion. I have never once with him grouped to pvp, and only solo'ed. Other then fighting druids, I can take down any other class. Just last night I fought a twinked SK lvl 28 (the SK has about 47aa pts) including max crit and the eof lifetaps line completed. Even with him using HT I managed to take him down. It was very close, both of us in red. But I am also set up for soloing, I have 10 points in magishielding, 8 points in mage armor, manashield (which is freaking awesome) ect..

[Bjerde]

I am a lvl 15 warlock with about 12 aa's. I put 5 AA's into our AOE poison cloud and took it as M2. I have about 4-5 in magi shielding and one in the summoned pet for the 2.5% spell crit. I think I will have to check out the rest of the sta line after reading this. I have been having a pretty rough time so far, but I can tell I am just getting stronger and stronger....I can't wait until 20. There are a lot of dmg upgrade aa's in the EoF tree and I was headed that way, but a Damage shield would wreak havoc on scouts. Sounds like it is the way to go though.

[DarkRenown]

All the comments on the lower tiers have been done, so anyway, top tier experience for me..

If you are Raid Specced (Agi/Str/Wis with the explosives line and focussed casting) then you can pretty much kiss your behind goodbye in solo PvP.

Yes you can do the damage, and if the luck runs with you, then you should be ok with roots, and teleports, and stuns. But they all have to hit, and not be resisted. If they get resisted or break early, then your in trouble. Lets face it, roots etc break a lot in PvP, so you will quite often die.

In Group PvP, you can be awesome. But as previously said, you may as well paint a great big target on your chest. They will take you down as quick as they can. Mainly because you will drop a HUGE amount of damage on them if they don't. My biggest problem is the Monk. They can get to you very quickly, and have an array of stifles and stuns, if they can keep you interrupted (even with focussed casting) for 20 secs, your gone.

In Raid PvP, just find the biggest crowd of people, hide in the middle of it, and nuke nuke nuke. Raids are insane PvP experiences, and you just hit your biggest as fast as you can.

Problem with locks, is the casting time, and wearing cloth. It takes a long time for our big booms. Plus if we get hit we die. So if you want to PvP, the best suggestion is to do the following

Get Focussed Casting, 15 seconds uninterruptable and reduced cast times, you will love this. Go down the Stamina line, get your Crit ability. The quicker they die, the better. Get all of the protection abilities you can, both Mana Shields, Mit increase, Parry increase etc. Just up them all. Always ALWAYS have a butterfly totem up, or stealth goggles. You can see invis already, but those damend scouts are sneaky. Use your status and buy the one shot items that make you resist stifles/stuns etc. They may have a price, but how much do you want to win? If you have 15 secs immune to all forms of interrupt/stifle/stun etc, you will do a helluva lot of damage

As an aside, this works well for group PvP too, as you will still be a target, but they take longer to kill you now. Always a good thing.

In all seriousness, if you really want to enjoy a lock in PvP, then find a group with a good instant healer/warder. Then you really will have the edge.

[Kalyai]

I have a lvl 28 warlock with 40AA points.

She's not level locked, however she is combat locked.  I am leveling her nice and slow, keeping her in decent gear, and keeping her spells mastered out.

My AA lines are all about haste atm.  I found that it DEFINITELY helps to be able to shoot my spells of faster.

My skills are all maxed out for my level, especcially my subjugation.  That is a MUST HAVE.

Solo PvP for me...absolutely AWESOME!  I tend to pop a root, then a debuff or two, then my Freeze, then my root again and start on my dots and nukes.  I tend to pop a root or freeze of after 1 or 2 damage spells just to keep them where I want them.  Typically, they die after 2 root cycles.  Sadly that only works with solo opponents.

Group PvP is another story.... especcially if I have a healer or two hangin with me... my 2 group attacks are pretty brutal after I debuff their entire group, and with a healer backing me up, I can concentrate on 1 opponent at a time, and it doesnt take too long to wipe a full group of even conned Qs.

I love my lock in pvp.  She has definitely become my favorite toon.

[Stuffnstu]

I have 2 70 warlocks on pvp servers, and you definitely aren't group dependent.  As a matter of fact until they messed with the resists (not mitigation) I could kill groups of 2-4 people solo, all of them being 70, provided I got the jump on them.  Healers of course are definitely the hardest to kill if they're any good, but if you time your many interrupts and stuns you can take a healer out easily, although now its a lot harder since sometimes you get chain resists due to this new messed up resist system.

Warlocks are uber pvpers, and having the most kills doesn't make you the best at it or the most knowledgeable.  I could run around all day killing people, racking up deaths as well.  Basically all it comes down to once you know the class and have a good AA spec for pvping, is the luck of the resists, you get one resist at a bad time against some classes and you're screwed.  I have screenshots of being chain resisted 5-6 spells in a row, it's not pretty.  Granted if it weren't for the resists we'd be gods in pvp, I just hate the consistency of pvp, lots of resists for the loss makes you feel cheated.

[Phineus]

 We sure had it good for a month or so there. Resists were stupified.

 I had to ask myself a serious question. Why solo a class without tracking? I answered that and my rogue is 54 headed to 70.

[seahawk]

I had, well, still have a 70 Swashi and I have all but shelved her to play my 70 Warlock.  They are an absolute blast to play.

 Group PvP is incredible.  Like many of the above posters mentioned, having a warlock in your group is winning half the fight right there.  Also, once people find out you are a Warlock you get the honor of being the first in line to catch an array of attacks from the opposing groups.  At least smart pvpers anyway.

 Soloing is a bit more difficult, as I am raid specced.  I would loooove to get manashield but I don't want to give up that much DPS in a our raids.  Focused casting is a must if you want to solo as a Warlock.  If your target isn't dead or at least in the "red" after it has worn off then chances are you are a goner, generally speaking.  Invest in Freedom potions and Health potions and obviously totems.

I am still working on my solo skills but boy are they a blast to play.  I don't know of many people that would give up a raid equipped Swashi to re-roll as a clothie but I am glad I did.