familiars

[lordpik]

lvl 30 not sure  but 40 is bat and 50 is raven

 

can anyone confirm these

Message Edited by lordpikon on 01-25-2005 05:55 PM

[Thyri]

dont by that lvl30 pet, its the same annoying frog you can shift into with the lvl20 fun spell. I was that disappointed for giving out 59s for that crap

[Victicu]

30 is frog, 40 is bat, 50 is raven...all equally useless

[Vresk]

Of course you could buy the frog pet and turn it into a raven when you get that spell... then you never have to buy the raven pet.

[Nyri]

I dont know about completely useless.  When pulling large groups of mobs especially (panthers in Zek for instance), I've found that with a familiar, sometimes if your tank loses agro, they at times agro on the familiar instead of you.  That's a good thing, since they seem to be able to tank alot better than you can in your tissue paper armor.  Not all the time, but a decent amount of the time.  Whether thats intentional, or a bug, I dont know, but it seems to work.

 

 

[Flad]

Nice! im gonna try that

[Effie]

Is it worth using a concentration slot for something that may or may not help in the rare instance that a tank loses aggro?

[Deathspell]

>> 30 is frog, 40 is bat, 50 is ravenThe frog at 30, is that the same frog as Kraylith's Curse of the Toad?I'm asking coz I bought that spell when I reached level 20 and I don't remember it taking up a slot in the concentration bar either. It can only be casted on a groupmember too, so it doesn't add any thing.So, we get a new frog at 30 then or I'm gonna have to wait til I reach 40 to get a bat?

[SirNicholo]

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Deathspell wrote:
>> 30 is frog, 40 is bat, 50 is raven

The frog at 30, is that the same frog as Kraylith's Curse of the Toad?

I'm asking coz I bought that spell when I reached level 20 and I don't remember it taking up a slot in the concentration bar either. It can only be casted on a groupmember too, so it doesn't add any thing.

So, we get a new frog at 30 then or I'm gonna have to wait til I reach 40 to get a bat?

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The toad at 20 is an illusion cast on yourself or a group member, the toad at 30 is a familiar(a pet), they are very different things.  A pet will take up a spot on the con bar.

[Ziffna]

Got a question where are these familures i have been all over qeynos and haven't found them yet maybe i'm blind but they just dont' seem to be around. Any help would be appreciated.

[BaronVonPitviper]

Do the pets add anything at all? Maybe +10 to saves, or +6 power regen? Or perhaps +5% DoT damage? Anything?

 

Is there ever a chance when soloing, a mob that breaks root heads for the pet? If anyone has seen that happen, I'd think the pet would be well worth it. An extra second or so to get root back on seems priceless to me.

 

I was thinking of heading to the scribe and buy it.

[Thyri]

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BaronVonPitviper wrote:

Do the pets add anything at all? Maybe +10 to saves, or +6 power regen? Or perhaps +5% DoT damage? Anything?

 

Is there ever a chance when soloing, a mob that breaks root heads for the pet? If anyone has seen that happen, I'd think the pet would be well worth it. An extra second or so to get root back on seems priceless to me.

 

I was thinking of heading to the scribe and buy it.

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Yes sometimes it gets aggro instead of you and then tanks the mob. And they pretty hold out a little, had this happen against a white++ con mob and it took 3 or 4 hits until it died. But that happens very poorly, so dont count on it

[Deathspell]

Your Lvl20 toad is a fun spell and you can buy it in the tree house at Elddar Grove.Like it says, it's a fun spell and adds nothing to your stats. (goes for all classes and their fun spells)

[Thyri]

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Deathspell wrote:Your Lvl20 toad is a fun spell and you can buy it in the tree house at Elddar Grove.Like it says, it's a fun spell and adds nothing to your stats. (goes for all classes and their fun spells)

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The lvl20 isnt a familiar its only a toad illusion cast on someone. At lvl30 the toad familiar comes

[Ilaenura]

just one question... where can i buy the lvl 30 familiar spell in qeynos ? been to the scribe in elddar and QH but havent found it

[SilentSam]

Alfred's the first guy that got me exited about getting a familiar!  :smileyhappy:

 

I was hoping he'd have some uses...glad u found some!

[Dae]

Barrage is an AE attack. If it hits your familiar and you're in range it will hit you too.If what you say is true then my familiar should be attacked by mobs that are rooted on top of it. I'll test this.I've never seen proximity aggro work the way you describe. It's entirely possible to pull a group of mobs over your entire group. I don't see why your pet would prove any more attractive than a player.Can you provide any parses showing that familiars do affect resist rates? I'd think this would already be a well known feature if it were actually true.Considering it's meant to be a fluff spell I'd imagine any benefits are entirely uninentional... beyond the obvious comedy value anyway.

[Kasie_Deathlu]

Someone said you could turn your frog pet into a raven at 50.

 

The level 50 transform spell is a rat. The 50 pet is a raven. You can never transform a groupie or pet into a raven.

[Alfred75]

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Daerv wrote:Barrage is an AE attack. If it hits your familiar and you're in range it will hit you too.If what you say is true then my familiar should be attacked by mobs that are rooted on top of it. I'll test this.I've never seen proximity aggro work the way you describe. It's entirely possible to pull a group of mobs over your entire group. I don't see why your pet would prove any more attractive than a player.Can you provide any parses showing that familiars do affect resist rates? I'd think this would already be a well known feature if it were actually true.Considering it's meant to be a fluff spell I'd imagine any benefits are entirely uninentional... beyond the obvious comedy value anyway.

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There is no proximity aggro. When pet gets hit by barrage which is an ae attack, pet will aggro the mob or the encounter - simple reasoning. Same goes for ae spells hitting pets.Pets will never prove more attractive than players, and I did not mention otherwise anywhere. If you want any parses, go do them yourself. If you think the pet is a fluff spell, don't spend the money on it, or don't even bother to cast it. If these benefits are unintentional, by all means do a /petition and ask for nerfs to warlocks familiars.It sure doesn't pay to share on the forums. There are a couple more invaluable tricks you can conjure up with the familiar, but this post ticked me off so much that I would just keep them to myself and my warlock guildies.

[Dae]

You posted that a pet will absorb a barrage for you. It's an AE attack. It won't absorb anything for you. Both you and the pet will be hit.You just said that there is no proximity aggro. How does this support your claim that mobs will aggro your familar based on the proximity aggro that you just said doesn't exist?You posted that on a multiple mob pull a pet will take aggro due to proximity aggro if you park it close. You then said in your next post that this isn't possible. Why would you be pulling multiple mobs if you're on your own anyway? Where's the point of trying to get the pet to take aggro if you just said it's not possible?You are the one that is claiming a FLUFF spell gives benefits like reducing resist rates. I'm not the one claiming anything here. It's YOUR theory so YOU need to back it up with something. Otherwise it's just all in your imagination. You can't suggest something highly dubious and when someone questions it expect them to go out and get their own parses. Back your claims up or don't make them in the first place.It does pay to share on the forums. However it usually pays best to share information that you can support with some kind of data. You have to understand how unlikely your claims sound. Especially considering the fact that familiars have such a hard time just keeping up with you in the first place due to dodgy pathing. I cast my familar in Nektropos the other day, told him to follow me and then didn't even see him for the next half hour.Don't get all upset and defensive over your "super secret" fluff spell strategies just because someone called you on them. Prove me wrong and move along.

[Alfred75]

I don't need to prove that the earth is round to a Warlock who does not know his class as well as I do. You can continue your provocation as much as you like, but I would not be bothered, neither would I reply nor view this thread from this post on. These knowledge is buried to all but a select few as far as I am concerned.PS: Check your [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] eyes. I did not mention anything about proximity aggro in my first post - that was purely your own imagination. In fact, the very first time I use this terminology was when I replied to your brainless first post.

Message Edited by Alfred75 on 03-08-2005 05:35 PM

[Dae]

You spefically stated in your list and hints and tips that if you use invis and park your familiar next to a group of mobs and then nuke said group of mobs there's a good chance that only the one you nuke will come after you because the rest will attack your pet due to proximity aggro. Of course since you edited your post you can claim you never said any such thing.If I remember I'll log my next few groups and parse the resist rate with and without a familiar.I'm still waiting for someone to prove to me that familiars have any benefit. I'll gladly admit I'm wrong at that point. Until then either put up or shut up.

[Sylaz]

At least it's a step up from some other classes "fluff." Bruisers get one that makes them look like they were covered in poo. I'd gladly take a useless pet over that. :smileytongue:

[SilentSam]

I love my pet frog!

[Alfred75]

Go figure: http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=23&message.id=8862 Sadly, someone [Removed for Content] me off enough not to share more ....

[Fepp]

I have found something fun to use the pet for...At level 31 I still only have that old invis pet. So if I summon my frog and tell it to follow me, then invis myself. When running in a straight line for a while the frog would push me along in front of it, so I'd be going normal runninging speed.This wouldnt last long before I would "fall" off the front of it... but it kept me entertained trying to 'surf' it on long invised runs

[Dae]

*shrug* Alfred. I did try and get the things you suggested to work. My pet miserably failed to so much as aggro on mobs let alone hold aggro off me at any given time and I certainly didn't notice any decrease in resist rate in my parses. If you can get your pet to do amazing things then more power to you. My toad is just as useless as he always was.