Why Wizards got lovest DPS after revamp?

Attronach · 09-26-2005, 02:16 PM

Can please anybody tell me, why wizard got lovest DPS (almost) in all more than 1min combat lovest DPS output than before revamp?

How is possibel all melee char can over damaget all wizard?

SOE post table where Wiz is alost on top of DPS.

I dont understand why SOE EVERY TIME nerfing weak class.

Thank you SOE.

:smileysad:

goboy · 09-26-2005, 02:43 PM

I have yet to be out dps'd by a mellee class. Are you parsing or just going by impressions?

Attronach · 09-26-2005, 02:59 PM

Parser.

Only Guardian is under wiz

blynchehaun · 09-26-2005, 03:19 PM

Could you provide the raw log in that case?

Stavenh · 09-26-2005, 04:42 PM

I don't even parse much anymore, and I can see I'm not being outdamaged.

I've grouped with lots of classes since the revamp. Last night, in Lavastorm, hunting Basalt Rumblers. level 45 ^^^ heroic mobs. I could just see that it was my damage that took the mobs down. Doing a bubble or more of health per hit is noticable.

Then we had a contest, to see who could solo the mob the best. I won, no question, the templar and fury didn't even want to try, the Guardian and assassin we had to jump in and save. The Guardian held his ground better then the assassin, but couldn't do enough damage befor his mana ran out. Once that happened, he started taking damage. The assassin did a lot of damage, but took alot to.

I took no damage, and killed the mob.

This tells me, wizards rock.

Attronach · 09-26-2005, 05:00 PM

Im not talkin about single mob and/or solo kill.

Im talking about group and raid action.

Who want wiz on raid if every melee can overdamaget it?

Because (nerfed) bufs or because (nerfed) power transfer?

Everyone see only maximum dmg on ice comet nothing else SMILEY

TooFarGo · 09-26-2005, 05:08 PM

...huh? Pretty much every group I've been in since the DoF expansion, I've come out on top in DPS. True, even the tank was getting close to me, but generally I was always on top of the DPS charts. If another caster is in the group, we generally fight for first place. And actually, the buffs are pretty nice... What level are you? INT? Gear? Spell quality?

blynchehaun · 09-26-2005, 05:19 PM

Attronach: again, show me the raw logs please.

blynchehaun · 09-26-2005, 05:23 PM

< This tells me, wizards rock. > I concur. I'm tired of trading anecdotes with the people who claim we have crap DPS. They don't believe ours, we don't believe theirs. I've seen my logs, I've seen myself do high DPS. At this point, I'd like to see the logs of the people doing low DPS. The logs mind, not the end result from the parser.....

Kamuj · 09-26-2005, 06:40 PM

Attronach wrote:

Im not talkin about single mob and/or solo kill.

Im talking about group and raid action.

Who want wiz on raid if every melee can overdamaget it?

Because (nerfed) bufs or because (nerfed) power transfer?

Everyone see only maximum dmg on ice comet nothing else

You would do well to realize that EQ2 is not a game that has appealed to a wide audience. The people who continue to play are people who (obviously) like the way that EQ2 is implimented. The very large continigent of people who do not like the way EQ2 was impliemented have long since quit and moved on to other games. Asking this group of people "why do wizards have low DPS" is not going to yield the kind of answer you may be looking for. Does this mean your wrong? Well, thats not for me to decide. I would suggest that you take a look at the FAR more active WoW, SWG, VanguardSOH, etc forums. There are more EQ2 players there then there are here.

Me? I play everything. I even play EQ2 (although less fequently then in the past), but I've accepted the fact the EQ2 combat model is generic and the differences between classes are hard to even notice. It plays like a PvE combination of Quake and EQ1. Some people like it this way. These are the people who read this forum. Don't be shocked if they don't agree with you. They are not wrong to enjoy their game.

Stavenh · 09-26-2005, 08:18 PM

Attronach wrote:
Im not talkin about single mob and/or solo kill.

Im talking about group and raid action.

Who want wiz on raid if every melee can overdamaget it?

Because (nerfed) bufs or because (nerfed) power transfer?

Everyone see only maximum dmg on ice comet nothing else

You know, I'm kinda tired of hearing this cope out, that it's raids. Maybe wizards aren't designed for some boss mobs for a reason? No boss mobs comes alone, they all have friends which can easily wipe a raid. I've noticed that many of the issues that wizards have with the Boss mobs, such as being immune to be cold/fire or both, the henchmen don't. Why, we are really effective against these. Maybe if most raids didn't work around the idea of piling on all damage on a single boss mob, people might see, hey, if I put the wizards on the henchmen, we can take them out of the picture much quicker, and not waste resources.But no, ever raid, it's the same, DPS the boss mob. Oh and again, it won't matter if you had spells that did 10,000 to 100,000 points of damage for no mana and could be cast in one second, every 2 seconds, if they mob is immune to that damage, it doesn't mean our spells are too weak, it means the designers made it so we are ineffective against those mobs. Upping our DPS won't fix that problem.

SalBlu · 09-26-2005, 08:58 PM

I can tell you that I decimate the enemy in groups. I absolutely rip them to shreds. I've been grouping consistantly from the moment DoF went live, and only in a select few circumstances was I outdamaged by ANYONE. People do come close, yes, but most of the time I am leading by a wide margin.

Post your level.
Post your stats.
Post your gear.
Post your parses.

Lakland · 09-26-2005, 10:48 PM

I certainly out dps most classes in many situations, but sometimes it's not a matter of dps, but that I can deal large amounts of damage instantly. One situation I think Wizards are certainly valuable in is the Named Heroic encounter with several mobs. While everyone else is doing there thing on the Named, I'm usually tasked with taking out all the lesser mobs one at a time on my own. I have never played a Wizard class before, but I do enjoy it in eq2.

Stavenh · 09-26-2005, 11:29 PM

Lakland wrote:I certainly out dps most classes in many situations, but sometimes it's not a matter of dps, but that I can deal large amounts of damage instantly. One situation I think Wizards are certainly valuable in is the Named Heroic encounter with several mobs. While everyone else is doing there thing on the Named, I'm usually tasked with taking out all the lesser mobs one at a time on my own. I have never played a Wizard class before, but I do enjoy it in eq2.

Smart wizard.That's always been one of my points, we can burn down the extras fast. With the revamp, there are times I can take out the extras in one shot. So lets see, one shot kill a mob, protoflame another so it's not hitting the tank, and suddenly you've gone from 4-5 mobs beating on the tank to 2-3 mobs, and then about 10 seconds later, your down to the main mob and a maybe a friend. Who is usually at half health, and you help finish him off.Maybe people just really don't understand where a wizard stands out.

slippery · 09-27-2005, 03:15 AM

Quite a few times, especially since revamp, I have saved a group from having to do a shard run deep into LT or near the top of a Tower or anywhere else simply because something bad happens, everyone dies real quick, and I can crowd control the adds to keep them away from me and do away with a heroic encounter and its adds. You are not inherently crowd control as a Wizard but you can do an amazing job at it. Adds? No biggie, make sure everyone knows to back away and you can root them in place and take them down one at a time if the tank isn't in a position to deal with them right now. Let the group deal with the original encounter, you can make sure the heroic add doesn't get in the way and is probably dead when they finish the first SMILEY

Attronach · 09-27-2005, 09:01 AM

Hm, i see this is wrong place for complaining. Then GL with killing green mobs with wizards. Its your way.

SOE sad "wizard HAVE TO BE highest DPS ever". BUT this is DEFINITLY NOT TRUE.

I don't need discus anything else because is NONSENSE.

Happy gamming with your gimped wizards :smileysad:

ccfallo · 09-27-2005, 12:16 PM

Attronach wrote:

SOE sad "wizard HAVE TO BE highest DPS ever". BUT this is DEFINITLY NOT TRUE.

I don't need discus anything else because is NONSENSE.

Happy gamming with your gimped wizards :smileysad:

I'm not sure where all this is coming from... My dammage is definately up.

Some may have legitimate complaints about our DPS compared to others, but even those people usually put us in the top 5 classes. As has been already said, what kind of gear are you wearing, are your spells upgraded, whats your INT?

Immediately after revamp, I'll be honest, I got it handed to me on many occasions, but once I toyed around with the new spell lineup and adjusted my strategies to compensate, I believe I'm much more effective now, in groups and soloing. When soloing, I sometimes notice groups of 2 killing the same mobs I am killing in a simillar ammount of time. If I'm gimped, I feel very sorry for those people lol.

AsheBail · 09-27-2005, 12:25 PM

Attronach wrote:

Hm, i see this is wrong place for complaining. Then GL with killing green mobs with wizards. Its your way.

SOE sad "wizard HAVE TO BE highest DPS ever". BUT this is DEFINITLY NOT TRUE.

I don't need discus anything else because is NONSENSE.

Happy gamming with your gimped wizards :smileysad:

Yeah, I think once you leave the Isle of Refuge things will change for you. Taking on that named 'raid' orc in the cave can be very traumatic. I agree, I dont seem to do much more damage than priests, scouts, and fighters do against him.

But stick with the class past level 20.

Attronach · 09-27-2005, 12:50 PM

Wizard L51, int ~270, i know my spells well even after meganerf aka combat revamp.

Almost all spells I have are Adept3, few master1 (and master2)

prismatic weapon, robe of invoker, efereti boots, one fabled thing.

Once again, im NOT complaining about overal DPS and soloability. This is OK.

Example form Drayek raid:

wizard (me) did 27k dmg

Swashbuckler did 33k dmg

Necro did 42k dmg

warlock did 62k dmg

This numbers say all - where is first position for 'highest dmg dealer"?

blynchehaun · 09-27-2005, 01:34 PM

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Example form Drayek raid:

wizard (me) did 27k dmg

Swashbuckler did 33k dmg

Necro did 42k dmg

warlock did 62k dmg

This numbers say all - where is first position for 'highest dmg dealer"? >

No they don't say all.....

Show your log.

How much of that fight did you do nothing for?

How long did the fight last?

Were you up against Ice/Fire Immune mobs?

If you want to be taken seriously, post the info. Otherwise, you're trolling.

Attronach · 09-27-2005, 01:57 PM

Show your log.

Sorry i cant post here 100k log file.

How much of that fight did you do nothing for?

huh? you mean im sleep on raid? I did all time what i can do.

How long did the fight last?

5min

Were you up against Ice/Fire Immune mobs

56 hits and only 3miss.

before revamp i have on same mob 43k

warlock 49k

swash 37k

mutschml · 09-27-2005, 02:35 PM

How much did the group int boost the others? how much did your str-buff add to the scouts DPS? How much the procs with Fiery Granduer? How much damage did you do with frostshield?

Does your parser assign that DPS correctly to you?

Attronach · 09-27-2005, 03:27 PM

mutschml, can you send me your log from raid?

I will analyse it myself and compare all with my log.

Antai · 09-27-2005, 04:00 PM

Attronach, you say you are talking about groups and raids. Your example is only reflecting the raid part of your claim. As raid damage is very situational I am more interested at the moment in your claim that wizards are constantly outdamaged by other classes when equally equipped. Do you have any logs around (summaries are fine) which backup your claim? And please, add some info on the other players and the names of the mob.

blynchehaun · 09-27-2005, 04:22 PM

< Sorry i cant post here 100k log file. > Your log file is 100k after 5 minutes of fighting? Put it on a server, and link to it, or send it to me brilyn (at) gmail (dot) com. I'll save further comments til after I've seen the log.

Attronach · 09-27-2005, 05:13 PM

I will not send any private information out of my computer.

I think, we can stop this pointless discusion.

I know im right. Only thing i can do is wait for characters rebalance because im not only who see big wizard nerf.

blynchehaun · 09-27-2005, 05:38 PM

< I will not send any private information out of my computer. > And yet you wanted other people to send you their logs. L M A O ! ! ! < I know im right. Only thing i can do is wait for characters rebalance because im not only who see big wizard nerf. > Troll. You're nothing but a troll. Go away.

Attronach · 09-27-2005, 05:51 PM

>Troll. You're nothing but a troll. Go away.
I hope survive this hard truth...

I want know if somebody asking me for LOG is agreeable send me HIS log for analyse.

Only one who post here numbers (and correct numbers) is me. Nobody else.

Have a nice day.

blynchehaun · 09-27-2005, 06:02 PM

< I want know if somebody asking me for LOG is agreeable send me HIS log for analyse. > Absolutely *no* problem at all. I don't have a Raid log, but I do of my regular playing. I'd be more than happy to email it to you, should you provide an email address. I'll reply to your log with mine. Or if you simply mail me at brilyn (at) gmail (dot) com, I'll send the log on to you.

Attronach · 09-27-2005, 06:17 PM

Thank you, but soloing log say NOTHING.

09-26-2005, 02:43 PM	#2
goboy Tester Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 511	I have yet to be out dps'd by a mellee class. Are you parsing or just going by impressions? __________________ Jaly, Test Gnome

09-26-2005, 06:40 PM	#10
Kamuj General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 279	Attronach wrote: Im not talkin about single mob and/or solo kill. Im talking about group and raid action. Who want wiz on raid if every melee can overdamaget it? Because (nerfed) bufs or because (nerfed) power transfer? Everyone see only maximum dmg on ice comet nothing else You would do well to realize that EQ2 is not a game that has appealed to a wide audience. The people who continue to play are people who (obviously) like the way that EQ2 is implimented. The very large continigent of people who do not like the way EQ2 was impliemented have long since quit and moved on to other games. Asking this group of people "why do wizards have low DPS" is not going to yield the kind of answer you may be looking for. Does this mean your wrong? Well, thats not for me to decide. I would suggest that you take a look at the FAR more active WoW, SWG, VanguardSOH, etc forums. There are more EQ2 players there then there are here. Me? I play everything. I even play EQ2 (although less fequently then in the past), but I've accepted the fact the EQ2 combat model is generic and the differences between classes are hard to even notice. It plays like a PvE combination of Quake and EQ1. Some people like it this way. These are the people who read this forum. Don't be shocked if they don't agree with you. They are not wrong to enjoy their game. __________________ Robotech MMO

09-26-2005, 08:18 PM	#11
Stavenh Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 825	Attronach wrote: Im not talkin about single mob and/or solo kill. Im talking about group and raid action. Who want wiz on raid if every melee can overdamaget it? Because (nerfed) bufs or because (nerfed) power transfer? Everyone see only maximum dmg on ice comet nothing else You know, I'm kinda tired of hearing this cope out, that it's raids. Maybe wizards aren't designed for some boss mobs for a reason? No boss mobs comes alone, they all have friends which can easily wipe a raid. I've noticed that many of the issues that wizards have with the Boss mobs, such as being immune to be cold/fire or both, the henchmen don't. Why, we are really effective against these. Maybe if most raids didn't work around the idea of piling on all damage on a single boss mob, people might see, hey, if I put the wizards on the henchmen, we can take them out of the picture much quicker, and not waste resources.But no, ever raid, it's the same, DPS the boss mob. Oh and again, it won't matter if you had spells that did 10,000 to 100,000 points of damage for no mana and could be cast in one second, every 2 seconds, if they mob is immune to that damage, it doesn't mean our spells are too weak, it means the designers made it so we are ineffective against those mobs. Upping our DPS won't fix that problem.

09-26-2005, 10:48 PM	#13
Lakland Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 66	I certainly out dps most classes in many situations, but sometimes it's not a matter of dps, but that I can deal large amounts of damage instantly. One situation I think Wizards are certainly valuable in is the Named Heroic encounter with several mobs. While everyone else is doing there thing on the Named, I'm usually tasked with taking out all the lesser mobs one at a time on my own. I have never played a Wizard class before, but I do enjoy it in eq2. __________________

09-27-2005, 03:15 AM	#15
slippery Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,272	Quite a few times, especially since revamp, I have saved a group from having to do a shard run deep into LT or near the top of a Tower or anywhere else simply because something bad happens, everyone dies real quick, and I can crowd control the adds to keep them away from me and do away with a heroic encounter and its adds. You are not inherently crowd control as a Wizard but you can do an amazing job at it. Adds? No biggie, make sure everyone knows to back away and you can root them in place and take them down one at a time if the tank isn't in a position to deal with them right now. Let the group deal with the original encounter, you can make sure the heroic add doesn't get in the way and is probably dead when they finish the first __________________ Arabel/Iguards/Thristin/Islayx, Leader of Equilibrium on Antonia Bayle

09-26-2005, 02:16 PM	#1
Attronach Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 11	Can please anybody tell me, why wizard got lovest DPS (almost) in all more than 1min combat lovest DPS output than before revamp? How is possibel all melee char can over damaget all wizard? SOE post table where Wiz is alost on top of DPS. I dont understand why SOE EVERY TIME nerfing weak class. Thank you SOE. :smileysad:

09-26-2005, 02:59 PM	#3
Attronach Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 11	Parser. Only Guardian is under wiz

09-26-2005, 03:19 PM	#4
blynchehaun Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vancouver, Canada (formerly Ireland) Posts: 213	Could you provide the raw log in that case?

09-26-2005, 04:42 PM	#5
Stavenh Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 825	I don't even parse much anymore, and I can see I'm not being outdamaged. I've grouped with lots of classes since the revamp. Last night, in Lavastorm, hunting Basalt Rumblers. level 45 ^^^ heroic mobs. I could just see that it was my damage that took the mobs down. Doing a bubble or more of health per hit is noticable. Then we had a contest, to see who could solo the mob the best. I won, no question, the templar and fury didn't even want to try, the Guardian and assassin we had to jump in and save. The Guardian held his ground better then the assassin, but couldn't do enough damage befor his mana ran out. Once that happened, he started taking damage. The assassin did a lot of damage, but took alot to. I took no damage, and killed the mob. This tells me, wizards rock.

09-26-2005, 05:00 PM	#6
Attronach Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 11	Im not talkin about single mob and/or solo kill. Im talking about group and raid action. Who want wiz on raid if every melee can overdamaget it? Because (nerfed) bufs or because (nerfed) power transfer? Everyone see only maximum dmg on ice comet nothing else

09-26-2005, 05:08 PM	#7
TooFarGo General Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 167	...huh? Pretty much every group I've been in since the DoF expansion, I've come out on top in DPS. True, even the tank was getting close to me, but generally I was always on top of the DPS charts. If another caster is in the group, we generally fight for first place. And actually, the buffs are pretty nice... What level are you? INT? Gear? Spell quality?

09-26-2005, 05:19 PM	#8
blynchehaun Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vancouver, Canada (formerly Ireland) Posts: 213	Attronach: again, show me the raw logs please.

09-26-2005, 05:23 PM	#9
blynchehaun Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vancouver, Canada (formerly Ireland) Posts: 213	< This tells me, wizards rock. > I concur. I'm tired of trading anecdotes with the people who claim we have crap DPS. They don't believe ours, we don't believe theirs. I've seen my logs, I've seen myself do high DPS. At this point, I'd like to see the logs of the people doing low DPS. The logs mind, not the end result from the parser.....

09-26-2005, 08:58 PM	#12
SalBlu Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 439	I can tell you that I decimate the enemy in groups. I absolutely rip them to shreds. I've been grouping consistantly from the moment DoF went live, and only in a select few circumstances was I outdamaged by ANYONE. People do come close, yes, but most of the time I am leading by a wide margin. Post your level. Post your stats. Post your gear. Post your parses.

09-26-2005, 11:29 PM	#14
Stavenh Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 825	Lakland wrote:I certainly out dps most classes in many situations, but sometimes it's not a matter of dps, but that I can deal large amounts of damage instantly. One situation I think Wizards are certainly valuable in is the Named Heroic encounter with several mobs. While everyone else is doing there thing on the Named, I'm usually tasked with taking out all the lesser mobs one at a time on my own. I have never played a Wizard class before, but I do enjoy it in eq2. Smart wizard.That's always been one of my points, we can burn down the extras fast. With the revamp, there are times I can take out the extras in one shot. So lets see, one shot kill a mob, protoflame another so it's not hitting the tank, and suddenly you've gone from 4-5 mobs beating on the tank to 2-3 mobs, and then about 10 seconds later, your down to the main mob and a maybe a friend. Who is usually at half health, and you help finish him off.Maybe people just really don't understand where a wizard stands out.

09-27-2005, 09:01 AM	#16
Attronach Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 11	Hm, i see this is wrong place for complaining. Then GL with killing green mobs with wizards. Its your way. SOE sad "wizard HAVE TO BE highest DPS ever". BUT this is DEFINITLY NOT TRUE. I don't need discus anything else because is NONSENSE. Happy gamming with your gimped wizards :smileysad:

09-27-2005, 12:16 PM	#17
ccfallo Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 16	Attronach wrote: SOE sad "wizard HAVE TO BE highest DPS ever". BUT this is DEFINITLY NOT TRUE. I don't need discus anything else because is NONSENSE. Happy gamming with your gimped wizards :smileysad: I'm not sure where all this is coming from... My dammage is definately up. Some may have legitimate complaints about our DPS compared to others, but even those people usually put us in the top 5 classes. As has been already said, what kind of gear are you wearing, are your spells upgraded, whats your INT? Immediately after revamp, I'll be honest, I got it handed to me on many occasions, but once I toyed around with the new spell lineup and adjusted my strategies to compensate, I believe I'm much more effective now, in groups and soloing. When soloing, I sometimes notice groups of 2 killing the same mobs I am killing in a simillar ammount of time. If I'm gimped, I feel very sorry for those people lol.

09-27-2005, 12:25 PM	#18
AsheBail Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 61	Attronach wrote: Hm, i see this is wrong place for complaining. Then GL with killing green mobs with wizards. Its your way. SOE sad "wizard HAVE TO BE highest DPS ever". BUT this is DEFINITLY NOT TRUE. I don't need discus anything else because is NONSENSE. Happy gamming with your gimped wizards :smileysad: Yeah, I think once you leave the Isle of Refuge things will change for you. Taking on that named 'raid' orc in the cave can be very traumatic. I agree, I dont seem to do much more damage than priests, scouts, and fighters do against him. But stick with the class past level 20. __________________ --------------------------------------- &nbsp&nbsp&nbspSenu Spellfury Dark Elf Wizard &nbsp&nbsp&nbspEryn Fistfury&nbsp Wood Elf Buiser &nbsp&nbsp&nbspRook Tuneshot&nbsp Half Elf Troubador &nbsp&nbsp&nbspAiela Dominae&nbsp High Elf Warden ---------------------------------------

09-27-2005, 12:50 PM	#19
Attronach Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 11	Wizard L51, int ~270, i know my spells well even after meganerf aka combat revamp. Almost all spells I have are Adept3, few master1 (and master2) prismatic weapon, robe of invoker, efereti boots, one fabled thing. Once again, im NOT complaining about overal DPS and soloability. This is OK. Example form Drayek raid: wizard (me) did 27k dmg Swashbuckler did 33k dmg Necro did 42k dmg warlock did 62k dmg This numbers say all - where is first position for 'highest dmg dealer"?

09-27-2005, 01:34 PM	#20
blynchehaun Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vancouver, Canada (formerly Ireland) Posts: 213	< Example form Drayek raid: wizard (me) did 27k dmg Swashbuckler did 33k dmg Necro did 42k dmg warlock did 62k dmg This numbers say all - where is first position for 'highest dmg dealer"? > No they don't say all..... Show your log. How much of that fight did you do nothing for? How long did the fight last? Were you up against Ice/Fire Immune mobs? If you want to be taken seriously, post the info. Otherwise, you're trolling.

09-27-2005, 01:57 PM	#21
Attronach Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 11	Show your log. Sorry i cant post here 100k log file. How much of that fight did you do nothing for? huh? you mean im sleep on raid? I did all time what i can do. How long did the fight last? 5min Were you up against Ice/Fire Immune mobs 56 hits and only 3miss. before revamp i have on same mob 43k warlock 49k swash 37k

09-27-2005, 02:35 PM	#22
mutschml Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 25	How much did the group int boost the others? how much did your str-buff add to the scouts DPS? How much the procs with Fiery Granduer? How much damage did you do with frostshield? Does your parser assign that DPS correctly to you? __________________ Nukem - 70-Wizard / 70 Tailor Bicia - 70-Coercer Achila 70-Alchimist Fizzleblood on Kithicor

09-27-2005, 03:27 PM	#23
Attronach Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 11	mutschml, can you send me your log from raid? I will analyse it myself and compare all with my log.

09-27-2005, 04:00 PM	#24
Antai Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 59	Attronach, you say you are talking about groups and raids. Your example is only reflecting the raid part of your claim. As raid damage is very situational I am more interested at the moment in your claim that wizards are constantly outdamaged by other classes when equally equipped. Do you have any logs around (summaries are fine) which backup your claim? And please, add some info on the other players and the names of the mob.

09-27-2005, 04:22 PM	#25
blynchehaun Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vancouver, Canada (formerly Ireland) Posts: 213	< Sorry i cant post here 100k log file. > Your log file is 100k after 5 minutes of fighting? Put it on a server, and link to it, or send it to me brilyn (at) gmail (dot) com. I'll save further comments til after I've seen the log.

09-27-2005, 05:13 PM	#26
Attronach Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 11	I will not send any private information out of my computer. I think, we can stop this pointless discusion. I know im right. Only thing i can do is wait for characters rebalance because im not only who see big wizard nerf.

09-27-2005, 05:38 PM	#27
blynchehaun Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vancouver, Canada (formerly Ireland) Posts: 213	< I will not send any private information out of my computer. > And yet you wanted other people to send you their logs. L M A O ! ! ! < I know im right. Only thing i can do is wait for characters rebalance because im not only who see big wizard nerf. > Troll. You're nothing but a troll. Go away.

09-27-2005, 05:51 PM	#28
Attronach Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 11	>Troll. You're nothing but a troll. Go away. I hope survive this hard truth... I want know if somebody asking me for LOG is agreeable send me HIS log for analyse. Only one who post here numbers (and correct numbers) is me. Nobody else. Have a nice day.

09-27-2005, 06:02 PM	#29
blynchehaun Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vancouver, Canada (formerly Ireland) Posts: 213	< I want know if somebody asking me for LOG is agreeable send me HIS log for analyse. > Absolutely no problem at all. I don't have a Raid log, but I do of my regular playing. I'd be more than happy to email it to you, should you provide an email address. I'll reply to your log with mine. Or if you simply mail me at brilyn (at) gmail (dot) com, I'll send the log on to you.

09-27-2005, 06:17 PM	#30
Attronach Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 11	Thank you, but soloing log say NOTHING.