Proof there should be a way to disable SOGA to others

[Naggyba]

I like the SOGA model in the above pics, better than I do the old model. Looks more like an Elf should.

[Terreciel]

Yes, it's a game. But it's a game in which your character is an alter-ego or a vision of a role. If you really don't care how you present that character to others, you might as well play a game where everyone looks like a block.

One of the big marketing points of EQ2 was its character customization. I was frankly disappointed to discover how little the characters really were customizable, even compared to the upgraded characters in EQ1, and certainly compared to customization options in, for example, City of Heros. I think the SOGA models are a way to pretend that we now have more customization options without actually providing it. You may be able to make your char, or other people's chars, look different, but still within fairly narrow parameters.

I agree with the people who said that adding greater customization options to existing characters, so that they could span the range from the present models to the SOGA models, would be the best of both worlds. Then we would really get more customization ability, AND our characters would be seen as we have chosen to make them, not as someone else chooses to display them.

[Krelfeari]

blynchehaun  and the post a couple down from urs...to both of u guys suggesting that someone else is picking how ur character looks is true...and that will always be true...tough crap. as long as there is not just 1 pc type in the whole world nobody is gonna have the same look.

 

Ur erudites glyphs? i don't see them, so bite me.

 

Ur shiny armor? sorry, looks dull to me on extreme performance, so suck it up.

 

Honestly guys, nobody is changing how you SEE YOURSELF. Only how THEY SEE YOU.

 

This is practically an analogy of real life...people have misconceptions based on physical appearance all the time! Every time u walk in a store people will see you and make their own assumptions about your character. Unless u sit down and talk with every single person that ever gets a glance at you and explain who you are to them they will only have their on preconceptions. Just as in the game other players will see you as they see you, not as you see urself.

 

Not the best comparison but what do u expect me to come up with to combat such a childish and immature argument!? GET OVER IT! ITS JUST AN IMAGE! If you MUST insist they see you as u want then sit down and tell them ur exact graphics settings and just like getting to know u in real life then they can see the real you, otherwise just suck it up.

[Za]

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daeneriez wrote:

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If someone came up with a mod that let EQ toons look like X-Men chars, there would be some people that would want to use X-Men models!

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no!  don't give them ideas like that!  we will just have this situation, all over again.  while it is off-topic, i am curious, would they go with the X-men movie models (the ones that featured Hugh Jackman, Halley Barry, etc), or would they go with old comic book style characters in the yellow spandex? 

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OMG Movie all the way! No one wants to look like Wolverine in Underoos!

[lillin]

From what I have read through this thread it seems people are worried how thier eq2 model characters will look too someone that has the SOGA models enabled.  I just wonder would it be possible not to turn on both model types but to maybe have your original eq2 model plus make a soga variation of your same character.  Say if someone has regular eq2 models on it will show your chosen eq2 model but if they have SOGA models turned on if will show your saved SOGA version.  This way SOGA or not you will still show your choices of how you would look.

[Zyphius]

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lillin wrote:

From what I have read through this thread it seems people are worried how thier eq2 model characters will look too someone that has the SOGA models enabled.  I just wonder would it be possible not to turn on both model types but to maybe have your original eq2 model plus make a soga variation of your same character.  Say if someone has regular eq2 models on it will show your chosen eq2 model but if they have SOGA models turned on if will show your saved SOGA version.  This way SOGA or not you will still show your choices of how you would look.

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That is how they are doing it. Many are complaining because the SOGA models aren't as customizable, and therefore they can't make their character exactly how they want. However, when they originally made their character, they still couldn't make it EXACTLY how they wanted... they had to use the options given them. So, this is really just a cop-out. The other slew of complainers are complaining because they just don't like the SOGA models at all. Well, some of them look better, and some worse, IMO. Again, though, if these were the models originally introduced, they would be defending them.

In essence, none of the above really matters, because it is my computer, and I will view what I want, when I want, and I don't care what anyone else thinks, period.

[lillin]

Thanx for that reply =) I'm ok with it now =)

[burnman]

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putergod wrote:

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lillin wrote:

From what I have read through this thread it seems people are worried how thier eq2 model characters will look too someone that has the SOGA models enabled.  I just wonder would it be possible not to turn on both model types but to maybe have your original eq2 model plus make a soga variation of your same character.  Say if someone has regular eq2 models on it will show your chosen eq2 model but if they have SOGA models turned on if will show your saved SOGA version.  This way SOGA or not you will still show your choices of how you would look.

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That is how they are doing it. Many are complaining because the SOGA models aren't as customizable, and therefore they can't make their character exactly how they want. However, when they originally made their character, they still couldn't make it EXACTLY how they wanted... they had to use the options given them. So, this is really just a cop-out. The other slew of complainers are complaining because they just don't like the SOGA models at all. Well, some of them look better, and some worse, IMO. Again, though, if these were the models originally introduced, they would be defending them.

In essence, none of the above really matters, because it is my computer, and I will view what I want, when I want, and I don't care what anyone else thinks, period.

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Actually... I pretty much got what I wanted with the original toolset for character creation.  I was able to design my character the way I wanted, and was happy with the results.  After trying for some time with the SOGA system, all I could come up with was a distant asian cousin of my current character.

 

SoE advertised character creation to be extremely customizable, and it was one of their signature selling points before launch.  Now, with the introduction of SOGA, others will not see the character I play when they enable SOGA.  They will see a distance relation from somewhere in the far east.

 

I don't give a crap what you want or do not want to see... I want my character seen as he was intended... not as a plastic-looking starving person that barely comes close to resembling my current character.

 

And I sill say the female models are offensively skinny.  I mean... geesh... they look like they should be on a Christian Children's Fund commercial... take a look:

 

[Naggyba]

Offensively skinny? ROFLMAO that's the funniest and silliest statement ever made.Excuse me while I pick myself up off the floorGet over your vain and insecure self. They are going live and the majority like them. We don't care if you are vain and insecure and don't want other people to see you the way THEY want to see you.If I want to see you on MY system in /cutemode all the time, I have that right. If I want to see you in SOGA model on MY computer, I have that right.

Message Edited by Naggybait on 11-03-2005 02:52 PM

[burnman]

**removed personal attack**

Message Edited by Raijinn Thunderguard on 11-03-2005 02:15 PM

[Naeramar]

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Naggybait wrote:Offensively skinny? ROFLMAO that's the funniest and silliest statement ever made.Excuse me while I pick myself up off the floorGet over your vain and insecure self. They are going live and the majority like them. We don't care if you are vain and insecure and don't want other people to see you the way THEY want to see you.If I want to see you on MY system in /cutemode all the time, I have that right. If I want to see you in SOGA model on MY computer, I have that right.

Message Edited by Naggybait on 11-03-2005 02:52 PM

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Again with your supposed "majority"? I ask again, where is your PROOF that the majority prefers the SOGA models? Don't claim to speak for "the majority" unless you can back it up with real, actual proof - that doesn't mean "I like 'em, so the rest of the world does too." And I have to agree...those female models are WAY too spindly. I'm sure some folks like that whole pre-pubescent anorexic look...but I'll pass, thanks.

[Zyphius]

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burnman wrote:

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putergod wrote:

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lillin wrote:

From what I have read through this thread it seems people are worried how thier eq2 model characters will look too someone that has the SOGA models enabled.  I just wonder would it be possible not to turn on both model types but to maybe have your original eq2 model plus make a soga variation of your same character.  Say if someone has regular eq2 models on it will show your chosen eq2 model but if they have SOGA models turned on if will show your saved SOGA version.  This way SOGA or not you will still show your choices of how you would look.

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That is how they are doing it. Many are complaining because the SOGA models aren't as customizable, and therefore they can't make their character exactly how they want. However, when they originally made their character, they still couldn't make it EXACTLY how they wanted... they had to use the options given them. So, this is really just a cop-out. The other slew of complainers are complaining because they just don't like the SOGA models at all. Well, some of them look better, and some worse, IMO. Again, though, if these were the models originally introduced, they would be defending them.

In essence, none of the above really matters, because it is my computer, and I will view what I want, when I want, and I don't care what anyone else thinks, period.

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Actually... I pretty much got what I wanted with the original toolset for character creation.  I was able to design my character the way I wanted, and was happy with the results.  After trying for some time with the SOGA system, all I could come up with was a distant asian cousin of my current character.

 

SoE advertised character creation to be extremely customizable, and it was one of their signature selling points before launch.  Now, with the introduction of SOGA, others will not see the character I play when they enable SOGA.  They will see a distance relation from somewhere in the far east.

 

I don't give a crap what you want or do not want to see... I want my character seen as he was intended... not as a plastic-looking starving person that barely comes close to resembling my current character.

 

And I sill say the female models are offensively skinny.  I mean... geesh... they look like they should be on a Christian Children's Fund commercial... take a look:

 

 

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Too bad, so sad... You have no control over me, or my computer... I will use whichever model I prefer, and, currently, I have not decided on any. What race are you? That will weigh my choice on that particular race towards SOGA on my computer specifically because of this post. I just hope I like the SOGA ones for your race better...

[AbsentmindedMage]

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burnman wrote:

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Naggybait wrote:Offensively skinny? ROFLMAO that's the funniest and silliest statement ever made.Excuse me while I pick myself up off the floorGet over your vain and insecure self. They are going live and the majority like them. We don't care if you are vain and insecure and don't want other people to see you the way THEY want to see you.If I want to see you on MY system in /cutemode all the time, I have that right. If I want to see you in SOGA model on MY computer, I have that right.

Message Edited by Naggybait on 11-03-2005 02:52 PM

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I suppose the female models look ok... if you are into 13 year olds

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Here you go again labelling the people who like the models.  You realize that the other post you made with the same insults was deleted because it was so inappropriate.  They do not look like 13 year old girls.  They do look younger than our current models.  If I had to guess the age of the current models when they were set to young on the age slider, I would say in the 40s for the humans and most of the elves though half elfs looks to be in 20s-30s.   These new models do look younger like people in their 20s which is actually the time frame that i would expect adventurers to be out adventuring trying to prove their worth.  When they get into their 40s, they should be near their peak not just starting out.

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[burnman]

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AbsentmindedMage wrote:

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burnman wrote:

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Naggybait wrote:
Offensively skinny? ROFLMAO that's the funniest and silliest statement ever made.

Excuse me while I pick myself up off the floor

Get over your vain and insecure self. They are going live and the majority like them. We don't care if you are vain and insecure and don't want other people to see you the way THEY want to see you.

If I want to see you on MY system in /cutemode all the time, I have that right. If I want to see you in SOGA model on MY computer, I have that right.

Message Edited by Naggybait on 11-03-200502:52 PM

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I suppose the female models look ok... if you are into 13 year olds

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Here you go again calling labelling the people who like the models.  You realize that the other post you made with the same insults was deleted because it was so inappropriate.  They do not look like 13 year old girls.  They do look younger than our current models.  If I had to guess the age of the current models when they were set to young on the age slider, I would say in the 40s for the humans and most of the elves though half elfs looks to be in 20s-30s.   These new models do look younger like people in their 20s which is actually the time frame that i would expect adventurers to be out adventuring trying to prove their worth.  When they get into their 40s, they should be near their peak not just starting out.

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LOL - I haven't gone back through all of my threads lately... I tend to live in the *now* ... but if you are referring to the thread where I was called an idiot and replied... yes.  Those two were deleted... the offending post and my offensive reply.  If anything else was deleted, I have yet to be informed.

 

Besides... to start off with a *young* character only makes sense in the long run if characters age... which they do not.  And who is to say that someone in their 30's or 40's wouldn't start out adventuring.  People have mid-life career changes all the time.

 

Anyway, you may not agree with what I have to say... and that's fine.  But do not, for one second, believe that your opinions invalidate mine.  We are both entitled to them.  Have you once seen me state that you should give up posting about yours?  Or that you are a minority viewpoint?  No.  You haven't.  Express yourself... it's your right to do so.

 

Just have tough enough skin to handle someone else's conflicting opinions like an adult.

[MyTFlyGuy]

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TheyLive wrote:

Okay, as we all know SOGA is coming, and there is a somewhat unaddressed problem coming with it: other players using the new graphic settings could see you as something entirely different than you intended, hence this picture:

 

 

 

 

On the left is the half-elf model that I use slight variations of for all of my main characters (turn your brightness up if you can't see it well enough). And on the right is the SOGA version of almost the same character, just with the skin & hair color changed to emphasize how effeminate they new models are (and the tear added in MS Paint to show how Emo he is). I do not want my character to look anything like that SOGA model to anybody; just being able to turn it off for myself is not enough. I messed around with the creation on test for a while and there is no way, I repeat, no way to even come close to replicating the look of my characters on the live servers.

 

Before anyone says it, I am aware that seeing the new models on my client is optional, but that does not solve this problem. The point i'm trying to make here is that there should be a way to disable others from seeing you as a SOGA model, and I know i'm not the only one who feels that way.  If you can't see the harm in having no control of your appearance to others, then look at it from a roleplaying perspective: roleplayers create a character with a specific vision & purpose in mind, but when something like this comes along it hinders the process. Roleplayers would often have to ask people whether they have Setting X on (or get them to turn a certain setting on/off beforehand), otherwise you'd have no way of knowing what others see you as. In other cases, people who couldn't be bothered to make a new customized appearance for SOGA, could unknowingly look like horrible emo/anime rejects like the one I made above, inducing laughter & ridicule from anyone who sees them; it's just not right.

 

FInally, I am aware of the dev responses stating that being able to hide/show SOGA to others wouldn't be as simple as a /showhood or /hide_illusion, and the speculation that it could cause frame-rate problems, but come on now.. this game is supposed to be using one of the most advanced graphic engines to date (hence the very high settings that were designed for computers a few years in the future). I find it hard to believe that rendering a few extra models would somehow break the game. Okay, maybe if you got 22 different old models and 22 different SOGA models together in a small area it could slow the game down, but that would likely never happen, and the higher performance graphic settings would eliminate those issues since they don't even load the skin textures when that many characters are around.

 

Anyway, this is the testing feedback board and that is my feedback. If nothing else, keep in mind that a recent poll on a different site revealed that character customization is the most important thing for the majority of MMO players, and that whole ideal gets thrown out the window when others can completely change your percieved appearance with the click of a button.

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If you think the current models are not Femanine you need to look again. Most of the Elf ( especially high elf and half elfe are rather Girly looking )

[Dimgroth]

ok, im going to link to the newest effort of mine to show what I mean by you can make decent soga models, even great.. im doing three samples of each race, three for each gender, they can be found on last page of here:http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=grph&message.id=18118#M18118ill be doing all the races for the most part (might not even bother with erudites, too simular to current, and ogres are a bit weak artistically) as you will see, even if you dont like soga, they arnt bad looking at all if you do it right.

[Naggyba]

burnmanBecause you are upset over the models and that they are going in and you disagree with people gives you no right to make libel insinuations.Complaints that people don't like them because they don't suit their taste, are like people complaining because they don't like a TV show, when all they have to do is change the channel.

Message Edited by Naggybait on 11-03-2005 05:26 PM

[Za]

Your question doesn't matter!The MAJORITY of the people that look at my computer screen will determine if I use a particulat SOGA model or not. As far all the stupid arguments and analogies... No I don't get to take the glasses off your rat... Sure you get to detail and outline a particular model all you want. If SOE give you the options to tailor make your SOGA model, then that is what I'll see. But the fact is, that there will be 2 char models to choose from and I, the owner of my $2000 computer will be the one that determines which model I want to spend my game time looking at!

[Despak]

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burnman wrote:

 

I don't give a crap what you want or do not want to see... I want my character seen as he was intended... not as a plastic-looking starving person that barely comes close to resembling my current character.

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Pay my subscription for me and I'll put my settings to what you want.  Till then I'll set what I want as I am paying to view the game my way. As for all the images posted of females being skinny;  run around exping in your undies alot do you?

[Twizzel]

Well, that sure didn't seem to take long...first the WoW graphics and now it seems the WoW maturity has arrived.  Does anyone know how to voice their opinion without having to insult someone else? (that was rhetorical, obviously a few of you do).  I mean really...it seems like the folks who support the new models have to fill their posts with name calling and snide comments.  Just looking through this thread it's filled with "bite me's",  "I don't give a crap what you think", blah, blah, blah....if this is the kind of community the new models are going to bring forth, you can have it.... 

 

Edit:  as I scrolled back through and looked at the OP new model...for some reason the Avatar name Marilyn Manson comes to mind :smileywink:

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[Cynto]

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Twizzel wrote:
Well, that sure didn't seem to take long...first the WoW graphics and now it seems the WoW maturity has arrived.  Does anyone know how to voice their opinion without having to insult someone else? (that was rhetorical, obviously a few of you do).  I mean really...it seems like the folks who support the new models have to fill their posts with name calling and snide comments.  Just looking through this thread it's filled with "bite me's",  "I don't give a crap what you think", blah, blah, blah....if this is the kind of community the new models are going to bring forth, you can have it.... 

 

Edit:  as I scrolled back through and looked at the OP new model...for some reason the Avatar name Marilyn Manson comes to mind :smileywink:

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Twizzel, I don't really know what threads you've been reading, or if you've read the 5 billion seperate threads etc, about this same topic. But, while I do admit many of the supporters of SOGA models can get a bit riled up, I have to say that frequently the people that are AGAINST SOGA tend to be the most often to commit "name calling and snide comments" first. Hell, just look at Burnman's many posts, for the most part he keeps kinda civil, but lately hes been getting a good chunk of his posts edited by the mods for personal attacks on the people that don't agree with him. And there are others that do the same. I am not discounting that there are supporters of SOGA that also attack back, or first or whatever. But it seems to me that its at least an equal number on each side, or, frequently, people who don't agree with the origional poster's opinion that SOGA sucks, having to defend themselves from personal slams about their opinions.

And just for the record, I don't care one way or the other what you do with your computer, so long as you don't force me to see a PC model I don't care for, SOGA or Origional model, as I dislike many of the models from both thus far. If you like em, good for you, if you don't, good for you, dosn't bother me one way or the other.

Oh yeah, and btw, they don't look like WoW models, they look more like Lineage 2 models. WoW models look like blocky humanoids colored in with crayons. These at least have detail, even if you don't like them, you can't tell me they aren't higher resolution than WoW by a long shot.

[tracheaspider]

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Cranberry wrote:

... I've been playing alot of Asian fantasy games and compared to them, SOGA models are completely third-rated and I don't understand why they didn't hire better designers for them.

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Yay, someone else who knows how cheap the SOGA models look compared to other Asian models (and not compared to the US models)!  Sometimes I feel like half the people enthralled with SOGA are the type of anime fans who obsessively support anything having to do with anime even when it looks like garbage and who reject anything styled after more classical US designs just because it's not anime, even when it looks decent.  Yeah, many of you legitimately hate the US models and find the SOGA ones honestly appealing, but I've know too many with the mindset I described to think none of them inhabit these boards.  To me, the SOGA models are poorly designed alternatives to the fairly well designed original models and, in terms of Asian models, SOE could have done so much better.

 

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Personally I don't want people to see me that way, but on the other hand I don't want to see other people that way either.

So fair enough for me. No forced-look options.

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Fair enough for me, too.  I'm not happy with the inevitable outcome (my original designs will be lost to many, appreciated or not), but I'll gladly take it over the alternatives.  But it's too simple to say, as some have said, that caring about your avatar's appearance towards others is superficial.  Sure, it's just a game, but part of the game is to design these characters and show them off.  That's something incredibly fun to me.  And if appearances didn't matter on some level to many folk, why are folks so (justifiably) rabid to get new armor designs and tints?  Or why are roughly 73% of dwarf priests on my server clerics and 59% of wood elf priests druids?  Since any race can choose any priest subclass, that's a decision that has to be influenced partly by image.  Sure, some chose based on the play style presented by the subclass, but if image (heavy armor wearing dwarf vs. leather wearing wood elf) had nothing to do with it, the percentages should be about equal regardless of race.  It's also frustrating to me to see people denigrating those who claim personal appearances are important, then, in the next breath, stressing that the overall appearance of the game is so important that their right to choose which model set they use on their computer is some sort of inalienable right.

 

I would like to point out that my desire to be seen as I intended makes me understand that the same will go for many players who prefer SOGA.  I refuse to play with SOGA models, but I will doubtless turn them on from time to time just to see what people come up with.  I already turn up graphics settings when I have a spare moment in order to see details on US models.  Why?  Because seeing others and being seen is fun!

[Jai1]

Yeah, I totally misunderstood the reason for implementing the new models. I thought they were supposed to have better resolution or be better for something. I personally think EQ2 has some issues with their total lack of creativity when designing gear.  So what? Now they are supporting two entirely different character models which requires duplicate effort to maintain the same equipment base? How much sense does that make? I mean really.  Address and resolve the issues and not add to them.  I tell you what. I have had a lot of high hopes for this game for a while due to the power of its engine. I still like looking at the bump-map textures they put in.  I could care less about what my [Removed for Content] face and body looks like because I cover it with gear. I do care for what my gear is looking like and with the new SOGA models, its not better, just different but I imagine ultimately all the same. I couldn't stand L2 so dont dig the Anime and will probably be more likely to check out Vanguard because that could be a really cool game if Microsoft tries to outdo Sony with original Verant designers. Are the devs here awake? Listening? Why is it that only after a year of release my server has no population. Somebody's not doing something right. Course maybe its things like the reward for the Beetle Herding quests that turn people off.

[Naggyba]

They have ALWAYS supported two entirely different character models. SOGA models have been in the game since release, just in the asian markets. So, they have always had to duplicate their efforts. Nothing has changed, except the US market now has a chance to display those models.Do you think they never did any work ot make sure the SOGA models had the same equipment and that it worked with those models? That nwo that they are in the US version, that all of a sudden they start doing work for them?

[Dimgroth]

some people like to [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn].

[daeneriez]

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This is practically an analogy of real life...people have misconceptions based on physical appearance all the time! Every time u walk in a store people will see you and make their own assumptions about your character. Unless u sit down and talk with every single person that ever gets a glance at you and explain who you are to them they will only have their on preconceptions. Just as in the game other players will see you as they see you, not as you see urself.

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              the comparison between how others look at you in game and how others look at you in real life is actually very similar. personally, after going through my grooming rituals and slipping into a nice outfit i expect people to view me as someone who takes care of themselves, and cares about their appearence.  another possible comparison is if, after spending all that time to look a certain way and project myself, someone flipped a switch so that they viewed me as someone who didn't take care of themselves; they would see my nice outfit as a pair of dirty sweatpants and a grungy t-shirt with holes in it, no shoes, my makeup would look like dirt-smears, and my hair would appear matted. trust me, people in real life don't view me this way, or i am quite certain i would be received in a very different manner.  i think that this is why people do not appreciate the option of others making them appear SOGA. it is, to them, like flipping a switch to snatch away all of the time and effort one puts into their character's appearence. they do not want to be treated differently than they currently are, and they are concerned that with their character looking a different way, they will be.

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I don't give a crap what you want or do not want to see... I want my character seen as he was intended... not as a plastic-looking starving person that barely comes close to resembling my current character.

And I sill say the female models are offensively skinny. I mean... geesh... they look like they should be on a Christian Children's Fund commercial... take a look:

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offensively skinny: i agree. 

[Zyphius]

^^ ::sniff sniff:: ^^

 

You wont even know what you look like to someone else, as you'll have no clue what models each person is using... So get over yourself. Oh, and since beauty is in the eye of the beholder; there are people who look at you and think "ewww" in real life... accept it...

[Despak]

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daeneriez wrote:

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This is practically an analogy of real life...people have misconceptions based on physical appearance all the time! Every time u walk in a store people will see you and make their own assumptions about your character. Unless u sit down and talk with every single person that ever gets a glance at you and explain who you are to them they will only have their on preconceptions. Just as in the game other players will see you as they see you, not as you see urself.

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              the comparison between how others look at you in game and how others look at you in real life is actually very similar. personally, after going through my grooming rituals and slipping into a nice outfit i expect people to view me as someone who takes care of themselves, and cares about their appearence.  another possible comparison is if, after spending all that time to look a certain way and project myself, someone flipped a switch so that they viewed me as someone who didn't take care of themselves; they would see my nice outfit as a pair of dirty sweatpants and a grungy t-shirt with holes in it, no shoes, my makeup would look like dirt-smears, and my hair would appear matted. trust me, people in real life don't view me this way, or i am quite certain i would be received in a very different manner.  i think that this is why people do not appreciate the option of others making them appear SOGA. it is, to them, like flipping a switch to snatch away all of the time and effort one puts into their character's appearence. they do not want to be treated differently than they currently are, and they are concerned that with their character looking a different way, they will be.

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It's actually not a good analogy.  Real life and gaming are two distinctly different arena's.  You don't pay people to look at you a certain way in game so in no way should you dictate what charatcter they should use to view you. As for the grooming bit; perhaps they see you all dressed up and think "tart".

[Rijacki]

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Naggybait wrote:They have ALWAYS supported two entirely different character models. SOGA models have been in the game since release, just in the asian markets. So, they have always had to duplicate their efforts. Nothing has changed, except the US market now has a chance to display those models.Do you think they never did any work ot make sure the SOGA models had the same equipment and that it worked with those models? That nwo that they are in the US version, that all of a sudden they start doing work for them?

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They didn't release EQ2 into those markets at the same time they released it in the US/Europe.  In fact, I'm not enitrely possitive the SOGA only model game has been out of beta at all yet. SOGA (SOE partnered with someone else) was contracted -after- EQ2 was released to "localise" the graphics for introduction to a new market (China, Korea, and Taiwan, I think).  If anyone from those markets started playing EQ2 before, it was with the current game, not the SOGA-ified one.

[Dimgroth]

I look at soga and see beauty, im entitled to that, alot of people dont take the time to make good soga models with the choices available and as a result complain about them looking horrible, because most the people posting soga and screaming about it are making very ugly soga creations. I would post a u.s model as ugly as I can make it but that would be sinking to a low level and would be nausiating as well.