Why Does SOE charge for Face changes???

[Jal]

Easiest thing to do is give a weeks timer between uses. The main time people will want to use it is to either make a big change beacuse they're bored of their look or to correct a mistake made on character creation. The character creation screen is very difficult to get exactly right first time because the colours are very different there to what you see in game.1g is a good price as its just a nominal fee for people to change their appearances. At level 20 you can easily make a good few gold in the splitpaw upper tunnels or TS. People need to remember not everyone has a high level alt so making it more than 1g would just exclude people new to the game from using the feature.I do like the suggestion of new styles being available from status points and such this would give those with excess money/SP the chance to make themselves a bit different.

[selch]

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Jalek wrote:Easiest thing to do is give a weeks timer between uses. The main time people will want to use it is to either make a big change beacuse they're bored of their look or to correct a mistake made on character creation. The character creation screen is very difficult to get exactly right first time because the colours are very different there to what you see in game.1g is a good price as its just a nominal fee for people to change their appearances. At level 20 you can easily make a good few gold in the splitpaw upper tunnels or TS. People need to remember not everyone has a high level alt so making it more than 1g would just exclude people new to the game from using the feature.I do like the suggestion of new styles being available from status points and such this would give those with excess money/SP the chance to make themselves a bit different.

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Your idea made me think of "timed instances" for barber too that we can see our next appointment with barber :p

 

 

[Tradeskill_Addict]

Maybe a free haircut will be included in the next veteran rewards - or some kind of "makeup-mirror" for those preordering the next expansion

[runamonk]

When you start getting quests that reward you 10 - 25gp you won't be so worried about 1gp to change your appearance. Personally I think there aren't enough money sinks in game, some people just have way too much plat. I don't have alot but I really try to get alot either so it works out okay for me.Hell I pay 1gp a week in upkeep for my suite. Which is super cheap in comparison to what some people are spending.

Message Edited by runamonk on 04-03-200608:36 AM

[runamonk]

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joeygopher wrote:

More than happy to be able to pay for a makeover.

 

In fact, while they're at it, how about some looks and hairstyles that you can get by spending your hard-earned status points on?

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Awesome idea!

[Rijacki]

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Jalek wrote:Easiest thing to do is give a weeks timer between uses. The main time people will want to use it is to either make a big change beacuse they're bored of their look or to correct a mistake made on character creation. The character creation screen is very difficult to get exactly right first time because the colours are very different there to what you see in game.

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The problem with that is the person who wants to, for RP reasons, change their appearance for an event or a weekend and then change back.1g makes it something that will limit -most- players from changing it on a whim which still allowing frequent changes for those who want to change more frequently.I do hope, though, that they'll eventually add in more hairstyles (or even colours) that can be selected, even if it's for a fee.Reading the notes (and not having time lately to go on to Test), my fear is that it's just giving you a button the character creation screen and prompting you to do the actual changes there and not actually in-game.  Thus.. it solves none of the "problems" of the character creation being lit one way and in-game environmental lighting showing everything entirely differently.  I hope, if if does indeed send you out to character creation to change, that this is only a quickie to get the feature in game at all and that they're still working on something dynamic and fully in-game (with the in-game lighting and all).

[Rarlin]

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Maroger wrote:

Why does SOE feel it is necessary to charge 1g ( a little pricey for newbies) to change you face? They manage to insert that feature into EQ1 without charging for it -- why the charge here? Are you trying to suck money out of the game? Haven't you done that already by spoiling trade skills so hardly any skill will get you a profit any more!!

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I really can't believe this.  People are crying because some level 4 isn't going to be able to choose a new hairstyle.  Yeah, I know... it would take a TON of work to reroll the character and bring them up to level 4 again...  This has got to be a sick joke.  They are adding something awesome to this game!  If you want to get a haircut, you can get a haircut now. 

And for those of you that made the comments about "Not everyone is interested in the Role-Play", I encourage you to figure out the meaning of MMORPG.  This isn't [Removed for Content]' Quake people, it's an RPG.

Complain complain complain... 

[Despak]

I wonder if they go [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing and whining to the manager at the local barber shop when they go there and are expected to pay?

[Rhianni]

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Maroger wrote:

I am sorry I think it is wrong to charge. I almost think it is unethical!!

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Where is the ACLU when you need them. 

[Junkisfunk]

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Ariellia wrote:

Wow...people are actually complaining about them charging 1g? In most games I have encountered once you set your appearance it is set permanently. I think it's awesome that SOE has given us this option. If this option was ever introduced, I expected there would be a charge, and am actually surprised it ONLY costs 1g. It takes away from the realism o f the game if people are changing their appearance every few days - and with no charge, they could. Designing the appearance of your character should be an important decision, just like the selection of achievements, imho.

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EQ1 set the standard for SOE - they did not charge and there was no tom-foolery about going to a barber to make it plausible to charge.

If EQ1 could let players do it free why can't EQ2???

Skip the barber and other cute stuff and just make it an option to CHANGE APPEARANCE when you log on!!

Message Edited by Maroger on 04-01-200602:26 PM

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Because its called roleplaying. It amazes me how some people will say just about anything to get something for free. MMORPG's just aren't what they used to be. Certain portion of the player base gets it. The designers get it, but some people don't. =)

/sarcasm off

[cr0wangel]

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Maroger wrote:

EQ1 set the standard for SOE - they did not charge and there was no tom-foolery about going to a barber to make it plausible to charge.

If EQ1 could let players do it free why can't EQ2???

Skip the barber and other cute stuff and just make it an option to CHANGE APPEARANCE when you log on!!

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1- This is not EQ12- There are roleplayers out there and we want barbers, it's better for the roleplay that just a button...3- Stop complaining about a good idea, for once they are doing something good.

[Zannah]

how 'bout tiering it a bit.Hair Style change = 1gpHair Color change +1gpTat pattern or Woad change? hmmm pricey? (cause its removal too - gotta use that Snakepeel stuff from Order of the Serpentine !!)Tat pattern or Woad ADD??  could be cool - maybe a Status purchase for all racesPiercing changes / Piercing Adds (maybe I could get my other ear pierced !!!!!)Eyecolor changes - not sure if this would work separately - eye's don't really show up that much.Face change - skin tone - ears - full package type stuff would cost the mostIm sure the full packages would'nt get used that much - people identify with the look of their characters - and their friends do too.  Change too completely and you'll have some getting used to time involved.Superficial changes like hair style and color shouldn't be that costly, and will probably be the most used - keep them cheap and in the long run the money sink will be successful.Flesh it out a bit - using 1gp as the base price for minor changes - and I think it'll be great.

Message Edited by Zannah on 04-03-200604:32 PM

[Meeker]

That would work. They could run it like a spa. Very good idea.

[Ildarus]

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Ayun wrote:

changing appearance is a big thing. they should charge 50gp minimum. 1gp might as well be 1cp

 

 

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Agree, unlike the OP, I think  this is a great idea and they should charge more. I would pay 50gp for it. This is a major change. For 1gp you are going to be able to change everything about your characters looks. That is way to cheap and easy for 1gp.

[Maroger]

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Rijacki wrote:

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Jalek wrote:Easiest thing to do is give a weeks timer between uses. The main time people will want to use it is to either make a big change beacuse they're bored of their look or to correct a mistake made on character creation. The character creation screen is very difficult to get exactly right first time because the colours are very different there to what you see in game.

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The problem with that is the person who wants to, for RP reasons, change their appearance for an event or a weekend and then change back.1g makes it something that will limit -most- players from changing it on a whim which still allowing frequent changes for those who want to change more frequently.I do hope, though, that they'll eventually add in more hairstyles (or even colours) that can be selected, even if it's for a fee.Reading the notes (and not having time lately to go on to Test), my fear is that it's just giving you a button the character creation screen and prompting you to do the actual changes there and not actually in-game.  Thus.. it solves none of the "problems" of the character creation being lit one way and in-game environmental lighting showing everything entirely differently.  I hope, if if does indeed send you out to character creation to change, that this is only a quickie to get the feature in game at all and that they're still working on something dynamic and fully in-game (with the in-game lighting and all).

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I have 2 characters I want to change -- they looked great in creation but in game they suck and I don't feel I should have to pay 1cp to correct a problem caused by the lighting of the creation screen or the fact that the color you choose at character creation end up looking differentlyh in game. Basically I am being asked to pay for SOE problem!!

[Suraklin]

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Calthine wrote:

And this isn't EQ1

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Sure it is. It just has better graphics now.

[Delameko Stone]

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Jalek wrote:Easiest thing to do is give a weeks timer between uses. The main time people will want to use it is to either make a big change beacuse they're bored of their look or to correct a mistake made on character creation. The character creation screen is very difficult to get exactly right first time because the colours are very different there to what you see in game.

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I saved my free appearance change until I hit 50, then I changed my hair from black to white.  I'm more wise now :smileytongue:Mostly I'm looking forward to the change so I can change my albino froglok.  He just came out looking sick and pastey...

[Kleitos]

Bah, just skimmed thru all pages and posts complaining about if it should be 1 gold or whatever.I just wonder, why have a fee at all on the test-server, are you (SoE) testing the fact that the apperance change really charges the money or that the apperance change works correctly?My guess is that you (SoE) wanted to test that the apperance change is working and people don't end up 'breaking' their apperance.The charging money for a service is (or should be) the same as purchasing any other item from an NPC.What the cost for the apperance change on live servers will be is somewhat irrelevant on test, isn't?

[Mabes]

Personally, I think this is a great addition.  As far as price goes, I think it would work best if it scaled to your level.  1gp is nothing for a high level character, then again it's not too much for any character over level 20.  Maybe have it be something like 25s for T1 chars, 50s for T2, 1gp for T3, 5gp for T4, 15gp for T5, 25gp for t6, 50gp for T7.  Would make for a better money sink, and remove complaints from lower level chars like the OP.

[Saihung23]

I think they are charging char's because it is a barbershop set up.   You only get free haircuts if your mom cuts it 

I think it is nice that they are even putting the option to test.   and 1 gold is nothing...you can beg that off of a higher level char. in no time hehe

Saihung

[Cynto]

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Maroger wrote:

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Rijacki wrote:

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Jalek wrote:Easiest thing to do is give a weeks timer between uses. The main time people will want to use it is to either make a big change beacuse they're bored of their look or to correct a mistake made on character creation. The character creation screen is very difficult to get exactly right first time because the colours are very different there to what you see in game.

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The problem with that is the person who wants to, for RP reasons, change their appearance for an event or a weekend and then change back.1g makes it something that will limit -most- players from changing it on a whim which still allowing frequent changes for those who want to change more frequently.I do hope, though, that they'll eventually add in more hairstyles (or even colours) that can be selected, even if it's for a fee.Reading the notes (and not having time lately to go on to Test), my fear is that it's just giving you a button the character creation screen and prompting you to do the actual changes there and not actually in-game.  Thus.. it solves none of the "problems" of the character creation being lit one way and in-game environmental lighting showing everything entirely differently.  I hope, if if does indeed send you out to character creation to change, that this is only a quickie to get the feature in game at all and that they're still working on something dynamic and fully in-game (with the in-game lighting and all).

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I have 2 characters I want to change -- they looked great in creation but in game they suck and I don't feel I should have to pay 1cp to correct a problem caused by the lighting of the creation screen or the fact that the color you choose at character creation end up looking differentlyh in game. Basically I am being asked to pay for SOE problem!!

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That is a pretty lame reason to complain about a 1g charge, which isn't much of anything anyway. I sneeze and i've made 1g at this point.

If you are upset at the way your charachters came out of character creation, why in the blazing heck didn't you re-roll your charachter and re-do their looks right as soon as you loaded into game and saw them? Sure, SoE really shouldn't have a different lighting system in charachter creation than in game, but they do, and if you were too lazy or whatever to change it as soon as you loaded into game and saw it was different that is your own fault, not SoE's.

Since you didn't take the option to re-do your looks by re-rolling right as soon as you loaded in and noticed it wasn't the same I think that a measly 1g fee is more than fair to fix your looks with absolutely no reprocussions.

Message Edited by Cynto on 04-04-200610:44 AM

[Kyriel]

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Cynto wrote:

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Maroger wrote:

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Rijacki wrote:

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Jalek wrote:Easiest thing to do is give a weeks timer between uses. The main time people will want to use it is to either make a big change beacuse they're bored of their look or to correct a mistake made on character creation. The character creation screen is very difficult to get exactly right first time because the colours are very different there to what you see in game.

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The problem with that is the person who wants to, for RP reasons, change their appearance for an event or a weekend and then change back.1g makes it something that will limit -most- players from changing it on a whim which still allowing frequent changes for those who want to change more frequently.I do hope, though, that they'll eventually add in more hairstyles (or even colours) that can be selected, even if it's for a fee.Reading the notes (and not having time lately to go on to Test), my fear is that it's just giving you a button the character creation screen and prompting you to do the actual changes there and not actually in-game.  Thus.. it solves none of the "problems" of the character creation being lit one way and in-game environmental lighting showing everything entirely differently.  I hope, if if does indeed send you out to character creation to change, that this is only a quickie to get the feature in game at all and that they're still working on something dynamic and fully in-game (with the in-game lighting and all).

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I have 2 characters I want to change -- they looked great in creation but in game they suck and I don't feel I should have to pay 1cp to correct a problem caused by the lighting of the creation screen or the fact that the color you choose at character creation end up looking differentlyh in game. Basically I am being asked to pay for SOE problem!!

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That is a pretty lame reason to complain about a 1g charge, which isn't much of anything anyway. I sneeze and i've made 1g at this point.

If you are upset at the way your charachters came out of character creation, why in the blazing heck didn't you re-roll your charachter and re-do their looks right as soon as you loaded into game and saw them? Sure, SoE really shouldn't have a different lighting system in charachter creation than in game, but they do, and if you were too lazy or whatever to change it as soon as you loaded into game and saw it was different that is your own fault, not SoE's.

Since you didn't take the option to re-do your looks by re-rolling right as soon as you loaded in and noticed it wasn't the same I think that a measly 1g fee is more than fair to fix your looks with absolutely no reprocussions.

Message Edited by Cynto on 04-04-200610:44 AM

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Very very well said

[Xdatinelia]

I gotta say considering the suggestion was on the gameplay boards just a few weeks ago, I am excited they did this.  I do not see any issue with 1gp per change, it makes sense to charge for a service.

[Suraklin]

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Saihung23 wrote:

I think they are charging char's because it is a barbershop set up.   You only get free haircuts if your mom cuts it 

I think it is nice that they are even putting the option to test.   and 1 gold is nothing...you can beg that off of a higher level char. in no time hehe

Saihung

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You won't beg it off me. I made my money noobs can make it just like I did too.

[Takiana]

It's a wonderful thing SOE is doing here... it's called giving the player "a choice" -- you can change your appearance or not.  For whatever reason you want.  1G leaves the choice in the players' hands;it's doable to earn for anyone in their own time. 1 p would pretty much let out a lot of casual gamers.

Cheers SOE, can't wait to get the flowers outta my bard's hair... what was I thinking?  :smileyvery-happy:

[Scottishla]

Oh oh oh!  I can't wait for this to go live!  And seriously, if 1gp is such a HUGE amount of money to some folks, then don't get a haricut!  Sort of like RL....you go the store for groceries.  There are necessities you must spend your hard earned money on (milk, eggs, bread, etc).  In game those are (food, drink, upgrades, etc).  But sometimes, you really want some Oreo's or Pepsi or doughnuts, etc.  Those are optional things that you have to decide if you really want to spend your hard earned money on.  Same here, in the game world, you just have to decide if a new look is something you really want to spend your 1gp on.

But honestly, 1gp is nothing.  I am not a farmer.  I do some tradeskill and harvesting, maybe 3-4 hours a week.  Most of my cash comes from adventuring and I could afford to change my looks daily with little dent in my bank account.  If this isn't the case for you, then maybe you're not hunting in the right areas or something....Stop declining trivial loot (did you realize those trivial leaf loots from the attacking plants in KoS sell to vendors for 36s?)  Hell, 2 leaves and ya got a new haricut.

What I want to know though, is are these new looks unique, or are they carbon copies of choices we had at creation?  I was not happy with the choices for hairstyles for my female barb pally and am really hoping that there will be some new ones to choose from.

Message Edited by Scottishlass on 04-05-200602:00 PM

[Arathy]

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Maroger wrote:

As for accusing people who buy money of cheating -- don't be so busy minding other people's business. It is a small thing and this is only a game. I think sometime people lose sight of the fact that this is only a game. It happens in all games and companies are powerless to stop it -- hence all the gold/plat etc. selling sites who sell game money for every single MMO out there. I don't lose any sleep over people buying gold, you apparently do!!

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And yet you complain about a 1gold charge..  Simply unbelievable.

[Delameko Stone]

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Scottishlass wrote:

What I want to know though, is are these new looks unique, or are they carbon copies of choices we had at creation?  I was not happy with the choices for hairstyles for my female barb pally and am really hoping that there will be some new ones to choose from.

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They're the same ones.  All this does is reactivate the "Set Appearance" button on the Character select screen.

[Dirty Jack Rackham]

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Maroger wrote:

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No none of you who have responded have a clue about in-game economies and keep overlooking the most important point -- MONEY IS FUNGIBLE.

First of all I look at the amount of gold for sale for real money. Go add it up sometimes -- there is a lot out there -- more, I suspect, than be acquired legally. I would not be surprised if there was some form of exploit going on -- there is too much on the real world market for it to be made by the slow, tedious method of getting it all in-game. Periodically SOE does a sweep and bans accounts for various exploits -- but they are all right back again with a new account under a different name -- especially as a lot of this underground economy is created in ASIA where it is much harder legally to do much about it.

To assume that the only gold in-game is created by SOE is naive - go look around at the sites selling gold and you would realize that there is too much of it to be created by SOE alone. I know it comforts you to think that -- but wake up and look at the real world and do a little math. You will see how foolish your statements are.

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Hmmm.... "FUNGIBLE"... Interesting word. I had to look it up to assure myself that it actually existed. I don't believe that this word would actually make it into most people's normal conversations (unless they happen to be a lawyer). I've never heard anyone using it to date.fun·gi·ble (fnj-bl) adjetive.Law. Returnable or negotiable in kind or by substitution, as a quantity of grain for an equal amount of the same kind of grain.Interchangeable.noun. Something that is exchangeable or substitutable. Often used in the pluralSo yes, I can see where this is applicable. You are exchanging one gold coin for one makeover. Fair enough.I fail to see or follow the logic here. What does duping and buying platinum from farmers have to do with a hair salon charging for a hair cut? I seriously doubt that the world will end and priceses will rise because you have to pay someone a gold coin for a shampoo and blowdry. Relax... it's only a game.EverQuest 2 is not a first person shooter. While it can be played as such, this defeats the whole premise of playing a ROLEPLAYING game in the first place. One must earn their keep in this game. As a functional member of a society (real or imagined), I must pay for services rendered. I must exchange a set amount of coin for a service that I require, be that food, utilities, fuel, what have you. To earn this coin, I must complete certain tasks that are given to me by my employer in an efficient and timely manner. If services are offered by NPC or PC, I would expect those services to be rendered in a fasion in keeping with the storyline of the game. Being required to pay for those services as one would in real life. How wonderful it would be if we could just walk up to Hwal Rucksif and say "Listen up you smelly little troll, I ain't about to kill your long dead grandpappy for you, just give me your boots and I'll be on my way." Life doesn't work that way and neither should this game. The cost for the service is small enough and there are more pressing problems for the Devs to worry about.

[Saihung23]

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Suraklin wrote:

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Saihung23 wrote:

I think they are charging char's because it is a barbershop set up.   You only get free haircuts if your mom cuts it 

I think it is nice that they are even putting the option to test.   and 1 gold is nothing...you can beg that off of a higher level char. in no time hehe

Saihung

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You won't beg it off me. I made my money noobs can make it just like I did too.

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Awww

C'mon Suraklin, cant you at least give me 50 silver to get me started...I dont want to have to break any of my Plat to get a hair cut.   

I will never be able to get rid of the bowl cut my Ma gave me

Saihung