[FYI] Crafted Infusers

Domino · 10-28-2015, 07:44 PM

You may have seen Caith's earlier post introducing the new infusion system, and those of you on beta may have played around a little bit with the new UI window (although it's not 100% complete yet). However, if you want to know more gritty details about what it all means and in particular how the crafted parts of it work, this post is meant for you!

All About Infusers, for Crafters and Other Interested People

Infusion may be accessed by right clicking on an inventory item that can be infused, or with the /toggleinfusion command; you can also access it under “Equipment Infusion” in your EQII menu, or toggle to it from the deity window. With the launch of this new system, only equipment obtained from this new expansion will be possible to infuse for now.

Infusion falls into two entirely separate pools:

the favor of the gods (a small amount is applied immediately to items that drop in Thalumbra, and more may be requested by tithing platinum directly to the gods);

by applying infuser items.

How much the gods will increase your item’s stats is entirely unaffected by how much infusers will increase it, and vice versa. The number of infuser items you can apply to a piece of equipment is not affected by whether or not you also tithe platinum to infuse it; these are calculated entirely separately.

Four types of stat can be raised by infusers: crit bonus, potency, stamina, or ability modifier (ability modifier increases the amount of damage that a spell or combat art does - no affect on autoattack damage). The gods will modify these randomly; you can’t choose. However, when you apply infuser items, the choice is yours of which of these four to modify, or all of them; with the caveat that at this point, you cannot add a stat that isn’t already there. So if your helm does not already have crit bonus, you cannot apply a crit bonus infuser to it.

Infuser items are dropped or crafted. The crafted versions currently fall into two main types: handcrafted and mastercrafted infusers, which are currently made by provisioners* and which require only common or rare harvests to make; and reconstructed infusers, which any level 100 crafter can create by assembling salvaged fragments of infusers that are obtained by using the salvaging skill (from tradeskill prestige AAs) to break down adventuring gear from this expansion. The fragments, and the infusers, are fully tradeable, so if you’re not a crafter yourself, bring your fragments to your friendly local crafter to get your infusers made. And if you’re not an adventurer, speak to your more adventurous friends or scour the broker for fragments you can reconstruct and resell.

Each type of the crafted infusers has a different chance of success and a different amount by which they can increase the power of your item. For example, here are the five types of crit bonus infuser that can currently be crafted (the top two by provisioners from harvests, the lower three by any crafter from components that are salvaged from armor obtained in this expansion).
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The handcrafted infuser has only a 10% chance to work. But, common harvests are easy to obtain, so it's cheap to use as many as you need. However, the handcrafted infusers can only raise the stat a small amount. In this case, the crit bonus will be raised somewhere between 0.1 and 0.2% with each use of a handcrafted infuser. “Maximum increase to Drop layer is 1.0” means that the maximum that handcrafted infusers can raise the stat (in this example crit chance) of the dropped item is by 1.**

So, for example, if an item has 3.5 crit chance and could potentially have its crit bonus raised to a maximum of 10 by use of infuser items, then at most the first +1 of that could come from the use of handcrafted infusers. Once the crit chance on the item has reached 4.5 (in this example), no more handcrafted crit chance infusers could be applied.

The mastercrafted infuser and the reconstructed standard infuser have a 100% chance to work, and will raise the crit bonus between 0.2 and 0.4% with each use. At most these infusers can take you up to +2 points of crit bonus (in this example). So once our hypothetical item that started at 3.5 has reached a crit chance of 5.5, no more mastercrafted or reconstructed standard infusers could be applied. (The infuser window will not allow you to apply an infuser that would take the item over the allowed stat cap; you’ll get a warning if you try this.)

Similarly to the above, the heroic and epic quality levels of reconstructed infusers again have increasing amounts they can increase the stats; the most powerful being the Reconstructed Epic Infuser. (Dropped infusers are similar in power to the reconstructed infusers, but do not all have as high as a 100% chance to work.)

Do you have to use all five types of infuser to improve your items? Not at all. If you happen to have epic infusers falling out of your bank, you could use nothing but those. Or if you have a lot of mastercrafted infusers you could start directly with those to get your first +2 crit chance and not bother with handcrafted. Using multiple types in increasing order or power would be the most cost-efficient way to reach the maximum stats, but it’s your choice. And of course, if you have a temporary item that you know you’ll be replacing soon, you could just throw on some cheaper lower level infusers for a small bonus but choose not to pursue fully infusing the item.

The infusing UI is still in progress on beta and over the next weeks you should see some additional information and tooltips appearing that make things a bit clearer. And if you have any suggestions on any UI or wording changes that would also make this easier to understand, please let us know!
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* from fish, rumor has it. Because nothing infuses like the smell of fish...
** the "Maximum increase to Drop layer" wording can probably be improved; suggestions on wording that would be more clear are welcome!

CoLD MeTaL · 10-28-2015, 09:56 PM

Thanks for the write up.

"Maximum increase to Original Stat is 9.0"

10-28-2015, 10:16 PM

Thanks for the article, it was helpful! I have a couple questions, some of which may fall outside of "crafted infusers". I can cross post if necessary.

Are the looted infusers that work straight out of the box grouped along with the crafted and reconstructed ones, as far as the maximum stat caps are concerned, or are they separate?

What are the maximum stat caps for each type of infusion? For example, what is the maximum amount that crit bonus could be increased using crafted infusers? Your example mentioned 10 but i wasn't sure if that was just hypothetical or actual. I might infer that it was 9 based on the description of the EPIC infuser. Could we get that information for each stat and for the different types of infusion?

What cap does the initial "random" infusion count toward, if any?

Does infusion reset any reforging that has previously been done to an item? For example, infusing Ability Mod before or after reforging out of it would yield different results. I haven't tested this but it would seem that for example, Infusing AbMod AFTER Reforging would be a net gain over Infusing BEFORE Reforging.

Thanks again for the information.

Domino · 10-28-2015, 11:57 PM

Dropped and crafted all work together in the same "box". So whether you use a crafted infuser or a dropped infuser, they'll work towards the same caps. Example: if you used dropped infusers to add a total of +1 to your crit bonus on your gear, you wouldn't be able to use handcrafted infusers on it to increase it any further (assuming the cap for the handcrafted infusers was +1).

The numbers I gave were a hypothetical example because we're still tweaking numbers during beta. We don't currently display anywhere what the absolute cap is, although we're still discussing UI changes so this may be something that makes sense to add.

It counts as a deity infusion. So, basically a bonus freebie meaning you have to spend that much less platinum. Smile

You can consider it as if reforging simply resets the base stats of the item; the amount infusers can add is not affected. So for example, if the basic item has 3.5 crit chance and infusers could add up to 9 more crit chance to a total of 12.5, that would remain constant. If you reforge the weapon so it now has 5 crit chance, infusers could still add up to 9 more to a total of 14 crit chance.

10-29-2015, 03:05 AM

So how does the combination of favor + infusor work? Is there a different pool for deity (i.e. plat) bonuses, or do the two different sources combine to reach the same max? Along the same line, if I use favor (plat) to gain that first 1% does that block me from using handcrafted infusors? And can I just use favor to gain 100% of the max bonus?

When infusion was first introduced I was thinking it could become an effective plat sink, but if you can get very close to the stat cap with crafted and dropped infusors that will greatly diminish the amount of plat spent on deity favors. I'd like to see the general pool be about 150% of what either infusors or favor alone could accomplish.

The overall system seems fine, though I'd actually prefer that the ability to generate infusor parts be extended to Transmuting as well as salvage. Maybe at a lower rate of return for Transmuting? As it is now, only crafters with high level adventurers would generate infusor parts which would encourage all adventurers to level 95 crafters just for the salvage prestige ability. Having the supply be generated by a non-crafting means would result in cheaper products and possibly a stronger demand. If non-crafters get parts they will start to wonder what the final product does.

Domino · 10-29-2015, 06:42 PM

FriggaWitch · 10-29-2015, 06:53 PM

Well I take it that the recipes are a merchant item? Or are they a dropped item? Also when you refer to harvests do wes need 5000 common ones to craft these, really how many common harvests are required to make the non-provi crafted lower ones?
Appreciate the great write up waiting to see how all this evolves over time.

CoLD MeTaL · 10-29-2015, 07:06 PM

It looks like you overestimate the amount of plat have in game. These prices are 'insane'.

Domino · 10-29-2015, 07:55 PM

The recipes should be on beta by the end of this week (and yes, sold by Thalnor in Maldura) so check them out and give your feedback after that if you think any tweaks are needed. Smile

FriggaWitch · 10-29-2015, 09:11 PM

okies will do.

Lodrelhai · 10-30-2015, 02:51 AM

What about working the other way? If I infuse an item with additional potency, then go to reforge, can that additional potency be converted to another stat?

Jrel · 10-30-2015, 04:28 AM

Definitely use this ^^^^ instead of "Drop Layer" please.

Also, I agree, the plat cost is excessive. We've estimated it will take ~50K plat to infuse current advanced solo drop items on beta Maybe some players have this much, and I'm sure I could get this much if I farmed more and by using other methods, but I doubt anyone is willing to spend 5p regularly for a low chance to get a very small increase on most items.

Domino · 10-30-2015, 09:55 PM

The "Drop Layer" in the original wording is supposed to indicate that it applies only to dropped or crafted infusers, it doesn't affect the maximum from paying your deity. We're trying to find wording that makes it a little clearer that deity infusion isn't affected, hence the reference to layers.

e.g.
Maximum increase to Deity infusion modifier is x.

Maximum increase to Dropped/Crafted infusion modifier is x.

Would "Physical infusion" be clearer? or "Item-based infusion"? or something like that?

Mermut · 10-30-2015, 10:01 PM

I prefer item-based infusion, it seems the most clear to me.

10-30-2015, 11:52 PM

Infusion Modifier Tier 1-9

Mermut · 10-31-2015, 07:28 AM

Like!

Armageddoux · 10-31-2015, 12:02 PM

Billet original de Domino publié en français sur http://www.guerrier-celeste.fr/extension-12-les-infusions.html

10-31-2015, 02:35 PM

I agree. Introducing additional concepts using existing definitions helps to quickly understand the meaning.
Could also say
"This infuser can increase the original base value up to 9.0 more".

Other questions/request:
Can I un-infuse items again ?
Could there be item Un-Infusers to get all or some of them back.
Could the additional increased stat made reforgeable ?

11-02-2015, 03:20 AM

You might consider making each kind of infusion a different color modifier and listing them separately. Say orange for deity, and green for item-based infusions.

Mermut · 11-02-2015, 05:35 AM

All infuser ITEMS are item based. The only way to 'deity infuse' is with plat.

11-02-2015, 06:37 AM

And what point are you trying to make?

Mermut · 11-02-2015, 06:57 AM

There's no need to color code the items, because there are no deity infuser items.

11-02-2015, 07:58 AM

The color coding was meant for the stat bonus from the different sources of infusion, not the item. That way you'd be able to tell how much you're getting from each source at a glance. All item based infusors contribute to the same pool so there isn't any need to differentiate between crafted and dropped.

CoLD MeTaL · 11-02-2015, 01:32 PM

IF I understand correctly.

"Max Deity infusion: X"
"Max Other infusion : Y"

Mermut · 11-02-2015, 08:26 PM

Ah, gotcha. I misunderstood what you meant.

11-03-2015, 11:46 AM

Hey,

a very ncie and interesting system. For the GUI, there could be a little improvement. The confirmation dialog should definitely be gone, or at least there should be an option to turn it off, since this is a very annoying and time consuming dialog. Thounsands of points to spend - so there are thousands of "YES" buttons to click . . .

And i think the cap of 10 stored points is also not really reasonable, is it? Many players will frequently forget to spend their points e.g. while playing in a group for a while, this cap of 10 will cause much anger and annoyance for the players. Maybe there is another way to limit the deity spells without capping (or at least with a very high cap) the stat-spandable points?

Domino · 11-03-2015, 05:15 PM

No, stat points added via infusing cannot be reforged.

niner81 · 11-03-2015, 07:02 PM

I agree with this sentiment that UI changes may be helpful.

With the current interface, there is no method to determine how much infusion bonus you've obtained from plat/deity vs how much you've obtained via the infuser items. It's also difficult to keep track of all the maximums -- How can I determine how close I am to maxing the plat/deity "layer" vs the infuser item "layer"? I understand the mechanics of the different layers, but keeping track of it all as a min/maxer seems like an overly burdensome challenge with the current interface.

Arieva · 11-04-2015, 10:23 AM

All I can say is this whole system needs to be made as easy to understand as possible, and right now even I'm confused. I know several older players in my guild that are still intimidated and confused by reforging.. I can guarantee this system as explained here will go right over their heads.

As for plat amounts on beta and what I've been hearing..they sound extreme. Most players that don't 6-box (many basically breaking game rules in the process) don't have these types of amounts to throw around. If a plat sink for these multimillionaire players is needed then the pool of stat increase should be shared between drop and diety infusing..allowing those players to throw obscene amounts of plat at it while the rest can go the presumably slower infuser method. If i understand the write-up however thats not the way its setup now.

Sogapa · 11-04-2015, 01:57 PM

Question about this...You mention the ability to infuse all of the 4 modifiable stats with the crafted/dropped infusers. Say X is the maximum number a single stat can be increased. Can you then go above that value to infuse a different stat to X, or is the infusing cap such that cb+pot+ab+sta= X regardless of whether you increase all of the stats (if you reach X on one of those you can't infuse the others?

In case I'm not being clear with that question, I'll try to put it in a different way. Say I choose to increase potency on an item and the maximum value that an item can be increased by (using crafted/dropped infusers) is 10. After I have increased the potency value of that item to 10, can I then decide to also increase the crit bonus on that item, or is the maximum already reached and no further infusing can be done via infusers?

Will there be a rare fish for the mastercrafted infusers that provisioners will make?

10-28-2015, 07:44 PM	#1
Domino Developer Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	You may have seen Caith's earlier post introducing the new infusion system, and those of you on beta may have played around a little bit with the new UI window (although it's not 100% complete yet). However, if you want to know more gritty details about what it all means and in particular how the crafted parts of it work, this post is meant for you! All About Infusers, for Crafters and Other Interested People Infusion may be accessed by right clicking on an inventory item that can be infused, or with the /toggleinfusion command; you can also access it under “Equipment Infusion” in your EQII menu, or toggle to it from the deity window. With the launch of this new system, only equipment obtained from this new expansion will be possible to infuse for now. Infusion falls into two entirely separate pools: the favor of the gods (a small amount is applied immediately to items that drop in Thalumbra, and more may be requested by tithing platinum directly to the gods); by applying infuser items. How much the gods will increase your item’s stats is entirely unaffected by how much infusers will increase it, and vice versa. The number of infuser items you can apply to a piece of equipment is not affected by whether or not you also tithe platinum to infuse it; these are calculated entirely separately. Four types of stat can be raised by infusers: crit bonus, potency, stamina, or ability modifier (ability modifier increases the amount of damage that a spell or combat art does - no affect on autoattack damage). The gods will modify these randomly; you can’t choose. However, when you apply infuser items, the choice is yours of which of these four to modify, or all of them; with the caveat that at this point, you cannot add a stat that isn’t already there. So if your helm does not already have crit bonus, you cannot apply a crit bonus infuser to it. Infuser items are dropped or crafted. The crafted versions currently fall into two main types: handcrafted and mastercrafted infusers, which are currently made by provisioners* and which require only common or rare harvests to make; and reconstructed infusers, which any level 100 crafter can create by assembling salvaged fragments of infusers that are obtained by using the salvaging skill (from tradeskill prestige AAs) to break down adventuring gear from this expansion. The fragments, and the infusers, are fully tradeable, so if you’re not a crafter yourself, bring your fragments to your friendly local crafter to get your infusers made. And if you’re not an adventurer, speak to your more adventurous friends or scour the broker for fragments you can reconstruct and resell. Each type of the crafted infusers has a different chance of success and a different amount by which they can increase the power of your item. For example, here are the five types of crit bonus infuser that can currently be crafted (the top two by provisioners from harvests, the lower three by any crafter from components that are salvaged from armor obtained in this expansion). The handcrafted infuser has only a 10% chance to work. But, common harvests are easy to obtain, so it's cheap to use as many as you need. However, the handcrafted infusers can only raise the stat a small amount. In this case, the crit bonus will be raised somewhere between 0.1 and 0.2% with each use of a handcrafted infuser. “Maximum increase to Drop layer is 1.0” means that the maximum that handcrafted infusers can raise the stat (in this example crit chance) of the dropped item is by 1.** So, for example, if an item has 3.5 crit chance and could potentially have its crit bonus raised to a maximum of 10 by use of infuser items, then at most the first +1 of that could come from the use of handcrafted infusers. Once the crit chance on the item has reached 4.5 (in this example), no more handcrafted crit chance infusers could be applied. The mastercrafted infuser and the reconstructed standard infuser have a 100% chance to work, and will raise the crit bonus between 0.2 and 0.4% with each use. At most these infusers can take you up to +2 points of crit bonus (in this example). So once our hypothetical item that started at 3.5 has reached a crit chance of 5.5, no more mastercrafted or reconstructed standard infusers could be applied. (The infuser window will not allow you to apply an infuser that would take the item over the allowed stat cap; you’ll get a warning if you try this.) Similarly to the above, the heroic and epic quality levels of reconstructed infusers again have increasing amounts they can increase the stats; the most powerful being the Reconstructed Epic Infuser. (Dropped infusers are similar in power to the reconstructed infusers, but do not all have as high as a 100% chance to work.) Do you have to use all five types of infuser to improve your items? Not at all. If you happen to have epic infusers falling out of your bank, you could use nothing but those. Or if you have a lot of mastercrafted infusers you could start directly with those to get your first +2 crit chance and not bother with handcrafted. Using multiple types in increasing order or power would be the most cost-efficient way to reach the maximum stats, but it’s your choice. And of course, if you have a temporary item that you know you’ll be replacing soon, you could just throw on some cheaper lower level infusers for a small bonus but choose not to pursue fully infusing the item. The infusing UI is still in progress on beta and over the next weeks you should see some additional information and tooltips appearing that make things a bit clearer. And if you have any suggestions on any UI or wording changes that would also make this easier to understand, please let us know! ___ * from fish, rumor has it. Because nothing infuses like the smell of fish... ** the "Maximum increase to Drop layer" wording can probably be improved; suggestions on wording that would be more clear are welcome!

10-28-2015, 10:16 PM	#3
Cleitus New Member Posts: n/a	“Using multiple types in increasing order or power would be the most cost-efficient way to reach the maximum stats, but it’s your choice.” Thanks for the article, it was helpful! I have a couple questions, some of which may fall outside of "crafted infusers". I can cross post if necessary. Are the looted infusers that work straight out of the box grouped along with the crafted and reconstructed ones, as far as the maximum stat caps are concerned, or are they separate? What are the maximum stat caps for each type of infusion? For example, what is the maximum amount that crit bonus could be increased using crafted infusers? Your example mentioned 10 but i wasn't sure if that was just hypothetical or actual. I might infer that it was 9 based on the description of the EPIC infuser. Could we get that information for each stat and for the different types of infusion? What cap does the initial "random" infusion count toward, if any? Does infusion reset any reforging that has previously been done to an item? For example, infusing Ability Mod before or after reforging out of it would yield different results. I haven't tested this but it would seem that for example, Infusing AbMod AFTER Reforging would be a net gain over Infusing BEFORE Reforging. Thanks again for the information.

10-28-2015, 11:57 PM	#4
Domino Developer Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Cleitus said: ↑ “Are the looted infusers that work straight out of the box grouped along with the crafted and reconstructed ones, as far as the maximum stat caps are concerned, or are they separate?” Dropped and crafted all work together in the same "box". So whether you use a crafted infuser or a dropped infuser, they'll work towards the same caps. Example: if you used dropped infusers to add a total of +1 to your crit bonus on your gear, you wouldn't be able to use handcrafted infusers on it to increase it any further (assuming the cap for the handcrafted infusers was +1). Cleitus said: ↑ “What are the maximum stat caps for each type of infusion? For example, what is the maximum amount that crit bonus could be increased using crafted infusers? Your example mentioned 10 but i wasn't sure if that was just hypothetical or actual. I might infer that it was 9 based on the description of the EPIC infuser. Could we get that information for each stat and for the different types of infusion?” The numbers I gave were a hypothetical example because we're still tweaking numbers during beta. We don't currently display anywhere what the absolute cap is, although we're still discussing UI changes so this may be something that makes sense to add. Cleitus said: ↑ “What cap does the initial "random" infusion count toward, if any?” It counts as a deity infusion. So, basically a bonus freebie meaning you have to spend that much less platinum. Cleitus said: ↑ “Does infusion reset any reforging that has previously been done to an item? For example, infusing Ability Mod before or after reforging out of it would yield different results. I haven't tested this but it would seem that for example, Infusing AbMod AFTER Reforging would be a net gain over Infusing BEFORE Reforging.” You can consider it as if reforging simply resets the base stats of the item; the amount infusers can add is not affected. So for example, if the basic item has 3.5 crit chance and infusers could add up to 9 more crit chance to a total of 12.5, that would remain constant. If you reforge the weapon so it now has 5 crit chance, infusers could still add up to 9 more to a total of 14 crit chance.

10-29-2015, 06:42 PM	#6
Domino Developer Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Meirril said: ↑ “So how does the combination of favor + infusor work? Is there a different pool for deity (i.e. plat) bonuses, or do the two different sources combine to reach the same max? Along the same line, if I use favor (plat) to gain that first 1% does that block me from using handcrafted infusors? And can I just use favor to gain 100% of the max bonus?” Domino said: ↑ “How much the gods will increase your item’s stats is entirely unaffected by how much infusers will increase it, and vice versa. The number of infuser items you can apply to a piece of equipment is not affected by whether or not you also tithe platinum to infuse it; these are calculated entirely separately.”

10-29-2015, 07:55 PM	#9
Domino Developer Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	FriggaWitch said: ↑ “Well I take it that the recipes are a merchant item? Or are they a dropped item? Also when you refer to harvests do wes need 5000 common ones to craft these, really how many common harvests are required to make the non-provi crafted lower ones? Appreciate the great write up waiting to see how all this evolves over time.” The recipes should be on beta by the end of this week (and yes, sold by Thalnor in Maldura) so check them out and give your feedback after that if you think any tweaks are needed.

10-28-2015, 09:56 PM	#2
CoLD MeTaL Well-Known Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 1	Thanks for the write up. "Maximum increase to Original Stat is 9.0"

10-29-2015, 03:05 AM	#5
Meirril Well-Known Member Posts: n/a	So how does the combination of favor + infusor work? Is there a different pool for deity (i.e. plat) bonuses, or do the two different sources combine to reach the same max? Along the same line, if I use favor (plat) to gain that first 1% does that block me from using handcrafted infusors? And can I just use favor to gain 100% of the max bonus? When infusion was first introduced I was thinking it could become an effective plat sink, but if you can get very close to the stat cap with crafted and dropped infusors that will greatly diminish the amount of plat spent on deity favors. I'd like to see the general pool be about 150% of what either infusors or favor alone could accomplish. The overall system seems fine, though I'd actually prefer that the ability to generate infusor parts be extended to Transmuting as well as salvage. Maybe at a lower rate of return for Transmuting? As it is now, only crafters with high level adventurers would generate infusor parts which would encourage all adventurers to level 95 crafters just for the salvage prestige ability. Having the supply be generated by a non-crafting means would result in cheaper products and possibly a stronger demand. If non-crafters get parts they will start to wonder what the final product does.

10-29-2015, 06:53 PM	#7
FriggaWitch Active Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 3	Well I take it that the recipes are a merchant item? Or are they a dropped item? Also when you refer to harvests do wes need 5000 common ones to craft these, really how many common harvests are required to make the non-provi crafted lower ones? Appreciate the great write up waiting to see how all this evolves over time.

10-29-2015, 07:06 PM	#8
CoLD MeTaL Well-Known Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 1	It looks like you overestimate the amount of plat have in game. These prices are 'insane'.

10-29-2015, 09:11 PM	#10
FriggaWitch Active Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 3	okies will do.

10-30-2015, 02:51 AM	#11
Lodrelhai Well-Known Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Domino said: ↑ “You can consider it as if reforging simply resets the base stats of the item; the amount infusers can add is not affected. So for example, if the basic item has 3.5 crit chance and infusers could add up to 9 more crit chance to a total of 12.5, that would remain constant. If you reforge the weapon so it now has 5 crit chance, infusers could still add up to 9 more to a total of 14 crit chance.” What about working the other way? If I infuse an item with additional potency, then go to reforge, can that additional potency be converted to another stat?

10-30-2015, 04:28 AM	#12
Jrel Active Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 3	CoLD MeTaL said: ↑ “Thanks for the write up. "Maximum increase to Original Stat is 9.0"” Definitely use this ^^^^ instead of "Drop Layer" please. Also, I agree, the plat cost is excessive. We've estimated it will take ~50K plat to infuse current advanced solo drop items on beta Maybe some players have this much, and I'm sure I could get this much if I farmed more and by using other methods, but I doubt anyone is willing to spend 5p regularly for a low chance to get a very small increase on most items.

10-30-2015, 09:55 PM	#13
Domino Developer Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	CoLD MeTaL said: ↑ “Thanks for the write up. "Maximum increase to Original Stat is 9.0"” The "Drop Layer" in the original wording is supposed to indicate that it applies only to dropped or crafted infusers, it doesn't affect the maximum from paying your deity. We're trying to find wording that makes it a little clearer that deity infusion isn't affected, hence the reference to layers. e.g. Maximum increase to Deity infusion modifier is x. Maximum increase to Dropped/Crafted infusion modifier is x. Would "Physical infusion" be clearer? or "Item-based infusion"? or something like that?

10-30-2015, 10:01 PM	#14
Mermut Well-Known Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Domino said: ↑ “The "Drop Layer" in the original wording is supposed to indicate that it applies only to dropped or crafted infusers, it doesn't affect the maximum from paying your deity. We're trying to find wording that makes it a little clearer that deity infusion isn't affected, hence the reference to layers. e.g. Maximum increase to Deity infusion modifier is x. Maximum increase to Dropped/Crafted infusion modifier is x. Would "Physical infusion" be clearer? or "Item-based infusion"? or something like that?” I prefer item-based infusion, it seems the most clear to me.

10-30-2015, 11:52 PM	#15
ZUES Well-Known Member Posts: n/a	Infusion Modifier Tier 1-9

10-31-2015, 07:28 AM	#16
Mermut Well-Known Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	ZUES said: ↑ “Infusion Modifier Tier 1-9” Like!

10-31-2015, 12:02 PM	#17
Armageddoux Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Billet original de Domino publié en français sur http://www.guerrier-celeste.fr/extension-12-les-infusions.html

10-31-2015, 02:35 PM	#18
Amaitae Active Member Posts: n/a	CoLD MeTaL said: ↑ “"Maximum increase to Original Stat is 9.0"” I agree. Introducing additional concepts using existing definitions helps to quickly understand the meaning. Could also say "This infuser can increase the original base value up to 9.0 more". Other questions/request: Can I un-infuse items again ? Could there be item Un-Infusers to get all or some of them back. Could the additional increased stat made reforgeable ?

11-02-2015, 03:20 AM	#19
Meirril Well-Known Member Posts: n/a	Domino said: ↑ “The "Drop Layer" in the original wording is supposed to indicate that it applies only to dropped or crafted infusers, it doesn't affect the maximum from paying your deity. We're trying to find wording that makes it a little clearer that deity infusion isn't affected, hence the reference to layers. e.g. Maximum increase to Deity infusion modifier is x. Maximum increase to Dropped/Crafted infusion modifier is x. Would "Physical infusion" be clearer? or "Item-based infusion"? or something like that?” You might consider making each kind of infusion a different color modifier and listing them separately. Say orange for deity, and green for item-based infusions.

11-02-2015, 05:35 AM	#20
Mermut Well-Known Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Meirril said: ↑ “You might consider making each kind of infusion a different color modifier and listing them separately. Say orange for deity, and green for item-based infusions.” All infuser ITEMS are item based. The only way to 'deity infuse' is with plat.

11-02-2015, 06:37 AM	#21
Meirril Well-Known Member Posts: n/a	Mermut said: ↑ “All infuser ITEMS are item based. The only way to 'deity infuse' is with plat.” And what point are you trying to make?

11-02-2015, 06:57 AM	#22
Mermut Well-Known Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Meirril said: ↑ “And what point are you trying to make?” There's no need to color code the items, because there are no deity infuser items.

11-02-2015, 07:58 AM	#23
Meirril Well-Known Member Posts: n/a	Mermut said: ↑ “There's no need to color code the items, because there are no deity infuser items.” The color coding was meant for the stat bonus from the different sources of infusion, not the item. That way you'd be able to tell how much you're getting from each source at a glance. All item based infusors contribute to the same pool so there isn't any need to differentiate between crafted and dropped.

11-02-2015, 01:32 PM	#24
CoLD MeTaL Well-Known Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 1	Domino said: ↑ “The "Drop Layer" in the original wording is supposed to indicate that it applies only to dropped or crafted infusers, it doesn't affect the maximum from paying your deity. We're trying to find wording that makes it a little clearer that deity infusion isn't affected, hence the reference to layers. e.g. Maximum increase to Deity infusion modifier is x. Maximum increase to Dropped/Crafted infusion modifier is x. Would "Physical infusion" be clearer? or "Item-based infusion"? or something like that?” IF I understand correctly. "Max Deity infusion: X" "Max Other infusion : Y"

11-02-2015, 08:26 PM	#25
Mermut Well-Known Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Meirril said: ↑ “The color coding was meant for the stat bonus from the different sources of infusion, not the item. That way you'd be able to tell how much you're getting from each source at a glance. All item based infusors contribute to the same pool so there isn't any need to differentiate between crafted and dropped.” Ah, gotcha. I misunderstood what you meant.

11-03-2015, 11:46 AM	#26
Yahku New Member Posts: n/a	Hey, a very ncie and interesting system. For the GUI, there could be a little improvement. The confirmation dialog should definitely be gone, or at least there should be an option to turn it off, since this is a very annoying and time consuming dialog. Thounsands of points to spend - so there are thousands of "YES" buttons to click . . . And i think the cap of 10 stored points is also not really reasonable, is it? Many players will frequently forget to spend their points e.g. while playing in a group for a while, this cap of 10 will cause much anger and annoyance for the players. Maybe there is another way to limit the deity spells without capping (or at least with a very high cap) the stat-spandable points?

11-03-2015, 05:15 PM	#27
Domino Developer Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Lodrelhai said: ↑ “What about working the other way? If I infuse an item with additional potency, then go to reforge, can that additional potency be converted to another stat?” No, stat points added via infusing cannot be reforged.

11-03-2015, 07:02 PM	#28
niner81 New Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	I agree with this sentiment that UI changes may be helpful. Meirril said: ↑ “The color coding was meant for the stat bonus from the different sources of infusion, not the item. That way you'd be able to tell how much you're getting from each source at a glance. All item based infusors contribute to the same pool so there isn't any need to differentiate between crafted and dropped.” With the current interface, there is no method to determine how much infusion bonus you've obtained from plat/deity vs how much you've obtained via the infuser items. It's also difficult to keep track of all the maximums -- How can I determine how close I am to maxing the plat/deity "layer" vs the infuser item "layer"? I understand the mechanics of the different layers, but keeping track of it all as a min/maxer seems like an overly burdensome challenge with the current interface.

11-04-2015, 10:23 AM	#29
Arieva New Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	All I can say is this whole system needs to be made as easy to understand as possible, and right now even I'm confused. I know several older players in my guild that are still intimidated and confused by reforging.. I can guarantee this system as explained here will go right over their heads. As for plat amounts on beta and what I've been hearing..they sound extreme. Most players that don't 6-box (many basically breaking game rules in the process) don't have these types of amounts to throw around. If a plat sink for these multimillionaire players is needed then the pool of stat increase should be shared between drop and diety infusing..allowing those players to throw obscene amounts of plat at it while the rest can go the presumably slower infuser method. If i understand the write-up however thats not the way its setup now.

11-04-2015, 01:57 PM	#30
Sogapa Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Domino said: ↑ “Four types of stat can be raised by infusers: crit bonus, potency, stamina, or ability modifier (ability modifier increases the amount of damage that a spell or combat art does - no affect on autoattack damage). The gods will modify these randomly; you can’t choose. However, when you apply infuser items, the choice is yours of which of these four to modify, or all of them; with the caveat that at this point, you cannot add a stat that isn’t already there. So if your helm does not already have crit bonus, you cannot apply a crit bonus infuser to it.” Question about this...You mention the ability to infuse all of the 4 modifiable stats with the crafted/dropped infusers. Say X is the maximum number a single stat can be increased. Can you then go above that value to infuse a different stat to X, or is the infusing cap such that cb+pot+ab+sta= X regardless of whether you increase all of the stats (if you reach X on one of those you can't infuse the others? In case I'm not being clear with that question, I'll try to put it in a different way. Say I choose to increase potency on an item and the maximum value that an item can be increased by (using crafted/dropped infusers) is 10. After I have increased the potency value of that item to 10, can I then decide to also increase the crit bonus on that item, or is the maximum already reached and no further infusing can be done via infusers? Domino said: ↑ “Infuser items are dropped or crafted. The crafted versions currently fall into two main types: handcrafted and mastercrafted infusers, which are currently made by provisioners* and which require only common or rare harvests to make” Will there be a rare fish for the mastercrafted infusers that provisioners will make?