Gamespy's EQII vs WoW (not the poll) - Page 6

IainiE · 03-02-2005, 03:08 AM

Lag.....hmm..

sys specs

P4 3.0

1gb ram

radeon 9600XT

200 gb drive space total

running dual monitor

system tweaks: 5% overclock (so it runs at 3.16 ghz, video card overdrive setting turned on...)

typically settings in EQ2: balanced, water interaction turned on, cloth sim turned on.. with a few pologon and texture quality sliders set to max.. resolution is 1280 x 1024.

I only get lag in Qeynos Harbor and Willow Wood consistently regardless of server population...

other parts of the city will lag during high population times.. at medium or low population, everything is fine.

While I was XP'ing solo in the thundering stepps, I cranked the graphics settings to the max setting option possible in the drop-down box.. you know. the one that gives you the ~do this and your PC will fry~ warning.. There was noticable framerate drop but it was a far cry from freezeframe I was expecting as long as there were no other players in the field of vision... and where I solo in the TS it's pretty uncommon to see anyone else.. took a few screenies at that setting just cause it looked SOOO amazing.

maybe you guys getting serious lag everywhere all the time should check a few settings or something...

I will say this however, when I installed service pack 2 my performance dropped like a stone down into lag city everywhere all the time, 1024 x 768 was nearly unplayable, when it didn't crash..... I eventually wiped the system and re-installed.. which restored my performance back to what I posted above. Was it SP2? or the video drivers for SP2?? dunno.. but I'll not install either again. (sp2 caused a LOT of other issues in addition to killing my game of choice)

IainiE · 03-02-2005, 03:09 AM

ahh the double post.. not an allakhazam only issue it seems... oh well.

Message Edited by IainiEQ2 on 03-01-2005 02:09 PM

drizzt12 · 03-03-2005, 09:04 PM

I have played both WoW and EQ2 and i am actively playing a 30 Guardian. I thought WoW was horrible. Its extremely basic, so basic my 6 year old cousin could play it. The few things i have against this review are 1. The graphics, they totally picked the wrong one here. I think that the Luclin graphics on EQ1 are better then WoW IMO. 2. The start of WoW doesnt beat EQ2. Its simple you just get quests and do them and you kill stuff. But the tutorial in EQ2 and specialized "newb" zone in EQ2 is ten times as good. 3. Combat, the combat in WoW is once again very basic and not nearly as fun as the combat system in EQ2. It may be fast paced but its real boring.

I do have one gripe with EQ2, but its in the process of being fixed from what i understand. This problem is atm the game is very group oriented. In that, to get any kind of good exp you must have a grp. From all the feedback on the test boards this will be fixed in Live Update #4.

IMO WoW couldnt hold EQ2's jock strap. I guess some of the people who arent very good at video games have to play WoW because its so basic and an idiot could play it.

roma · 03-03-2005, 09:40 PM

I wrote a comment some time ago about WoW regarding the huge disappointment I first felt when I started playing. I also criticised the fact that there is very few graphic options that it's basicaly impossible to get nice graphics even with my 9800PRO 256MB...not because the card can't cope but because there is nothing in the game that needs such a high-end graphics card!...I wonder why WoW players do not complain about lagging...

However after the first free month I cancelled my subscription. Please don't misunderstand me, the game has potential but the basic game-play put me off. I think for people who have some money to spend this combination is perfect: if you are looking for some challenge and deeper immersion in the playing environment then go for EQ2. If you prefer to spend a couple of hrs in relax on an easy run and not too 'stressy' then play WoW.

The two together are perfect.

I am still looking for an alternative to EQ2. I hope D&D Online will be better than WoW in terms of graphics and game-play.

Qerra

ScottAdams · 03-03-2005, 10:04 PM

IainiEQ2 wrote:

I will say this however, when I installed service pack 2 my performance dropped like a stone down into lag city everywhere all the time, 1024 x 768 was nearly unplayable, when it didn't crash..... I eventually wiped the system and re-installed.. which restored my performance back to what I posted above. Was it SP2? or the video drivers for SP2?? dunno.. but I'll not install either again. (sp2 caused a LOT of other issues in addition to killing my game of choice)

http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~33~2735094,00.html

Operation Honey Pot

StillSecure, a Louisville-based network security firm, connected six computers - with six operating systems - to the Internet for a week without any virus protection. The results: 4,892 direct attacks by viruses, worms and other types of malicious code, and 46,255 scans by remote computers looking for weaknesses.

Here's what happened:

Windows XP Service Pack 1

Attacks: 4,857

Results: Attacked successfully within 18 minutes by the Blaster and Sasser worms. Within an hour, the computer was taken over and began attacking other Windows machines.

Windows XP Service Pack 2

Attacks: 16

Results: Survived all attacks

Apple Mac OS X Jaguar

Attacks: 3

Results: Survived all attacks

Linux, Suse Professional 9.2

Attacks: 8

Results: Survived all attacks

Linux, Fedora Core 3

Attacks: 8

Results: Survived all attacks

Linux Red Hat 9

Attacks: 0

Source:

Dolf Goodchee · 03-05-2005, 02:18 AM

ScottAdams wrote:

IainiEQ2 wrote:

I will say this however, when I installed service pack 2 my performance dropped like a stone down into lag city everywhere all the time, 1024 x 768 was nearly unplayable, when it didn't crash..... I eventually wiped the system and re-installed.. which restored my performance back to what I posted above. Was it SP2? or the video drivers for SP2?? dunno.. but I'll not install either again. (sp2 caused a LOT of other issues in addition to killing my game of choice)

http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~33~2735094,00.html

Operation Honey Pot
StillSecure, a Louisville-based network security firm, connected six computers - with six operating systems - to the Internet for a week without any virus protection. The results: 4,892 direct attacks by viruses, worms and other types of malicious code, and 46,255 scans by remote computers looking for weaknesses.

Here's what happened:
Windows XP Service Pack 1
Attacks: 4,857

Results: Attacked successfully within 18 minutes by the Blaster and Sasser worms. Within an hour, the computer was taken over and began attacking other Windows machines.
Windows XP Service Pack 2
Attacks: 16

Results: Survived all attacks
Apple Mac OS X Jaguar
Attacks: 3

Results: Survived all attacks
Linux, Suse Professional 9.2
Attacks: 8

Results: Survived all attacks
Linux, Fedora Core 3
Attacks: 8

Results: Survived all attacks
Linux Red Hat 9
Attacks: 0
Source:

I had sp1 with no AV, for, well, since sp1 came out, and never got a single virus (ran AVG, then removed it, every few months just to confirm all was good). I find it a little hard to believe StillSecure's supposed findings of a computer with sp1 getting pounded that bad. They are a network security firm, so their results might possibly be skewed as advertising.

Of course there's no reason to not get sp2 now. And those people that might not be careful in how they use their computer, should run some sort of AV.

Sgleor · 03-08-2005, 08:37 PM

A middle finger awarded to gamespy. I used to thought it was a good site ok. Time to remove it from my favourites

MeowMast · 03-18-2005, 01:28 AM

Sgleoreo wrote:
A middle finger awarded to gamespy. I used to thought it was a good site ok. Time to remove it from my favourites

Why because they were right?

eblanx · 03-19-2005, 09:41 PM

It's an editorial, the review was simply the opinion of one man. He has some points I agree with, others I don't. EQ2 and WoW are both very good games and i've received great enjoyment from both of them. I had a blast in WoW til a month or so after retail, about level 45 when I started getting bored with it. In it's defense I probably burned myself playing it too much, but truth be told what wow lacks in end game content it makes up for during the "newbie phase". It's hard to just straight up rate the graphics against each other. EQ2 was very abitious with the graphics engine and personality of the world, and in my opinion it paid off with beautiful scenery at just about every turn. Many appreciate and prefer the cartoony look of WoW, it grows on you after you've played some, but after too long of playing WoW I prefer the eyecandy of EQ2 over the [Removed for Content] limp of my undead priest. Graphics simply come down to a matter of individual preference. Lately most of my time and enjoyment has been going to this game but don't get me wrong, I like WoW, and in the future i'll give it another go, I certainly didn't leave the game with bad feelings just the need to do something else for a while. EQ2 did a better job on the PvE front, the good thing about that is it generates a desire for semi-longevity, but what then? Most of the games i've ever played have been PvP oriented, all of the MMORPG's i've played had the potential for at least some controlled player wacking circumstances until this one. I fear that when the time comes that i'm 50 and [Removed for Content] out or what not, if I still can't wack other players yet, I might get bored.

Message Edited by eblanx on 03-19-2005 11:42 AM

Pibly · 03-22-2005, 09:13 PM

I play both WoW and EQ2, but I have to admit my preference is WoW.

In fact, I started out in EQ2 and loved it. I got a wizard to mid-20s, a druid to high teens, and a summoner to mid teens, then decided that the "real" game was for melee, so started a fighter and a scout and... well I got bored with ALL of them. At the time, casters were very underpowered, couldnt solo well, and were not wanted in groups, but it was casters that I wanted to play. So...

I started playing WoW, and love it. I have a 60 mage there now and both a priest and warlock climbing the ranks. I have a great guild. I can solo when I want and am wanted in groups. High raids are very intense. The huge quantity of quests continues right upto and past 60.

However, WoW really does sort of end at 60. There are no aa's, and there are not enough raid zones to continue to provide adequate incentive. I dont know how EQ2 fares there, since I never got past mid-20s.

I do think it's a mistake for EQ2 folks to intentionally blind themselves to WoW. It's a great game, as some 1.5 million players can attest. But...

EQ2 is a great game too. They both are. For me WoW is more fun, but as many have said in this thread, different strokes for different folks.

vy · 04-19-2005, 08:10 AM

Just came back to EQ2 from WoW with a group of friends. I played both Betas, EQ2 for the first month of release and WoW up until now.

The review was actually decent except in one area. Graphics. This should have been a tie. WoWs graphics are gentle to my comp, but on a high end machine, EQ2 makes WoW look like nothing by comparison.

My recommendations for both companies:

Blizzard:

Make your character mean something. Everyone is Orc_Rogue_00456. Customization sucks graphically, and while talents were a neat idea, it had horrible execution, basically creating 1-3 builds for each class.

Leveling is way to easy. Level 60s are like excrement; everyone has them, and they all stink. The vast majority of your player base couldn't spell at a 3rd grade level, but thanks to you giving them virtually no penalty for death, they still level up to screw up everything I try to do. Yeah we can kick them out, but they just keep coming like a stream of never-ending crap.

Ever hear of customer service? Sony has, apparently you missed that memo after having SIX YEARS of watching EQ. Way to drop the ball and then kick it through your neighbors window. Hire some staff, you can afford it. Pull the stick out of yer [Removed for Content] and use a guide system.

Sony:

PvP. DO IT. This area is killing you and has been the hardest thing to for EVERY SINGLE person I have talked to to get over. I cannot tell you how many times I have told people the differences between the games and had them ready to run to a store to buy your game when, BAM! They ask about PvP and I have to drop the bad news. Boom, there goes your customer base. PvP is going to make or break MMOs because it allows another level of player interaction.

Suck it up and make an auction house. You and blizzard "borrow" from each other so much, no one really cares anymore, especially when it comes to something like this.

Work a bit on the combat, I could say this about WoW in some respects too, but overall, WoW has much better combat. Keep the HOs, those I have managed to sway from WoW have commented on how much they enjoy them, and trying to figure the things out.

Overall I have been left with a bitter taste in my mouth from both companies. I expected a lot more from Sony, and after Diablo, I should have known better about Blizzard going after a non-RTS genre. WoW has the advantage of appealing to beginners and PvP, and they are going to milk that for all it is worth, but that well will run dry soon. That is going to give EQ2 a big opportunity. The question is will they actually do anything with it, or will drive their own game into the ground.

/rant off

Message Edited by vylo on 04-18-2005 09:12 PM

Thestac · 04-22-2005, 08:58 AM

Played both. Content wise EQ2 owns, and although I found WoW fun for a few, when I got an error and noticed their tech page had 600 pages...YES SIX HUNDRED, and when a post was ever replied to, it was always the persons machine that was said to be the issue. So I tried everyhting they said to fix it, and they said that their game is a RAM hog and that my problem was RAM. I found that sort of weird since I never had those issues on EQ2, other than some lag. So to make a long story shorter, WoW was ok, but if you have a problem, forget it, just buy a new computer, cuz that is obviously the issue. Oh and BTW, back on EQ2, guess what NO PROBLEMS

Kiadr · 04-22-2005, 04:13 PM

I played WoW in closed Beta and enjoyed it. There were three main issues that worried me though. First was how “easy” the game was as far as leveling. Getting to 60 just didn’t take much effort. Second was the end game, or lack of one actually and third was the lack of depth with regards to gameplay. I figured that those issues were beta related, so I decided to wait until release to make final judgment. I didn’t buy WoW until a couple months after release, since I was not interested in dealing with the almost inevitable release bugs and lag. Sadly, even after I did buy WoW, the same problems that were in beta were in the retail version.

Leveling was just way too easy. There was no sense of accomplishment in getting there. This concept, in and of itself, wasn’t all that bad; what made this such an issue for me was the fact that WoW has NO end game. There is just nothing to do at 60, unless your idea of fun is running the exact same 3 or 4 instances over and over and over and over again desperately hoping to get a drop. While I am not looking for an EQ1’esque style of raiding where you must dedicate 6, 7, 10+ hours a day to the game, I would like to see something more than the exact same 3 or 4 “end game” instances.

WoW also suffers greatly from a lack of depth with regards to gameplay. The crafting system is not at all innovative. You collect a bunch of materials and then click the “combine all” button and wait for them to all get done. You can’t “fail” a combine either. There is just nothing to it. Besides tradeskills, there is just nothing much else to do in WoW. And then there is the WoW community.

The WoW community is dreadful. I played on an RP server and since getting bored was so commonplace for people, they would resort to griefing just for fun. You would be shocked at what people came up with in their pursuit to annoy, harass and offend other people. It was Battle.net mentality at its finest.

Granted, WoW has a lot of good points too. The game is fun, at least for a while, but I want something I know will hold my attention 6 months, 1 year, heck even 5 years from now. Blizzard seems to be relying almost exclusively on PvP to accomplished the longevity component of the game. Well, I don’t much care for PvP, so, in the end, WoW was not for me.

EQ2, in my opinion, is a superior game. EQ2 has depth, a unique tradeskill system, a FAR superior community (both in these forums and in game), far more communication between Devs and the players and it is run by a company that I know can produce a very expansive endgame. I absolutely believe that EQ2 will develop an excellent “raiding” game for people who don’t have 10+ hours a day to play.

All in all, SoE just seems more focused on making EQ2 the best MMO out there. It isn’t perfect, but for my money, it is a superior game to anything out there right now and it is headed in the right direction, which is forward. ^_^ WoW seems spends the vast majority of its time trying to balance the classes for PvP, and that just doesn’t leave much time for anything else of substance. If PvP is your thing, WoW is the place to be, but if you are looking for something more, EQ2 has a decisive edge, in my opinion.

CheezeBurgerAnimal · 04-22-2005, 07:15 PM

IMHO two points were irelevant

Newbie Zone
PVP

I have to disagree with the reviewer choosing WOW's graphics over EQ2 (Yes I've seen and played WOW)

So my score is EQ2 6 and WOW 3

Lacieone · 04-22-2005, 08:05 PM

Hi All,

I have to say that we've never played WOW, just looked at the screenshots, but personally i love the everquestII graphics.. I have to tell you that my husband and I both run 3.2 gb p4, asus mb, 2 gb dual channel ddr, 2/ 120gb hd's but we run the ATI X800 pro 256 mb DDR3 video cards and have beautiful graphics on one of the highest settings,

we have yet to experience any trouble... we build systems and i have to say we personally prefer ATI over nvidia ... just a thought.

Happy Hunting - Faren

Nik · 04-24-2005, 02:59 AM

Really stupid man I could tell this is from a perspective of a guy who like WoW more because of when he said WoW won on the graphics part i knew it was total BS I really enjoyed this until i seen that make another one this time from a person who loves eq2 and WoW

NosmokIng · 04-25-2005, 04:00 PM

The thing is... Gamespy just write to whoever pays the most in marketing... hence the g0damaweful Driver3 given brilliant reviews.. and that terribble bugridden matrix game which also sucked..I only use gamespy to find release dates now – before searching elsewhere for the real info.They have lost all credibility....

03-03-2005, 10:04 PM	#155
ScottAdams Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 212	IainiEQ2 wrote: I will say this however, when I installed service pack 2 my performance dropped like a stone down into lag city everywhere all the time, 1024 x 768 was nearly unplayable, when it didn't crash..... I eventually wiped the system and re-installed.. which restored my performance back to what I posted above. Was it SP2? or the video drivers for SP2?? dunno.. but I'll not install either again. (sp2 caused a LOT of other issues in addition to killing my game of choice) http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~33~2735094,00.html Operation Honey Pot StillSecure, a Louisville-based network security firm, connected six computers - with six operating systems - to the Internet for a week without any virus protection. The results: 4,892 direct attacks by viruses, worms and other types of malicious code, and 46,255 scans by remote computers looking for weaknesses. Here's what happened: Windows XP Service Pack 1 Attacks: 4,857 Results: Attacked successfully within 18 minutes by the Blaster and Sasser worms. Within an hour, the computer was taken over and began attacking other Windows machines. Windows XP Service Pack 2 Attacks: 16 Results: Survived all attacks Apple Mac OS X Jaguar Attacks: 3 Results: Survived all attacks Linux, Suse Professional 9.2 Attacks: 8 Results: Survived all attacks Linux, Fedora Core 3 Attacks: 8 Results: Survived all attacks Linux Red Hat 9 Attacks: 0 Source: __________________ Scott Adams - Not Dilbert, Adventure! But in Norrath I am known as the hydra: Bandal - Bandol - Bandyl - Bandil Guild leader of the Vindicators of Antonia Bayle

03-05-2005, 02:18 AM	#156
Dolf Goodchee Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 48	ScottAdams wrote: IainiEQ2 wrote: I will say this however, when I installed service pack 2 my performance dropped like a stone down into lag city everywhere all the time, 1024 x 768 was nearly unplayable, when it didn't crash..... I eventually wiped the system and re-installed.. which restored my performance back to what I posted above. Was it SP2? or the video drivers for SP2?? dunno.. but I'll not install either again. (sp2 caused a LOT of other issues in addition to killing my game of choice) http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~33~2735094,00.html Operation Honey Pot StillSecure, a Louisville-based network security firm, connected six computers - with six operating systems - to the Internet for a week without any virus protection. The results: 4,892 direct attacks by viruses, worms and other types of malicious code, and 46,255 scans by remote computers looking for weaknesses. Here's what happened: Windows XP Service Pack 1 Attacks: 4,857 Results: Attacked successfully within 18 minutes by the Blaster and Sasser worms. Within an hour, the computer was taken over and began attacking other Windows machines. Windows XP Service Pack 2 Attacks: 16 Results: Survived all attacks Apple Mac OS X Jaguar Attacks: 3 Results: Survived all attacks Linux, Suse Professional 9.2 Attacks: 8 Results: Survived all attacks Linux, Fedora Core 3 Attacks: 8 Results: Survived all attacks Linux Red Hat 9 Attacks: 0 Source: I had sp1 with no AV, for, well, since sp1 came out, and never got a single virus (ran AVG, then removed it, every few months just to confirm all was good). I find it a little hard to believe StillSecure's supposed findings of a computer with sp1 getting pounded that bad. They are a network security firm, so their results might possibly be skewed as advertising. Of course there's no reason to not get sp2 now. And those people that might not be careful in how they use their computer, should run some sort of AV. __________________ _________________________________________ Level 27 Bruiser, Dark Elf (friendly, but tries to look mean) Level 26 Alchemist (Bah, who needs facial hair!)

03-18-2005, 01:28 AM	#158
MeowMast Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3	Sgleoreo wrote: A middle finger awarded to gamespy. I used to thought it was a good site ok. Time to remove it from my favourites Why because they were right? __________________ JBdigriz wrote: Top 10 reasons people persist on posting their goodbyes on the newbie forum: 6) Because if we don't the terrorists win.

04-22-2005, 07:15 PM	#164
CheezeBurgerAnimal Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Longshadow Alley Posts: 217	IMHO two points were irelevant Newbie Zone PVP I have to disagree with the reviewer choosing WOW's graphics over EQ2 (Yes I've seen and played WOW) So my score is EQ2 6 and WOW 3 __________________ I have Alt's in real life...

04-25-2005, 04:00 PM	#167
NosmokIng Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Nottingham UK Posts: 42	The thing is... Gamespy just write to whoever pays the most in marketing... hence the g0damaweful Driver3 given brilliant reviews.. and that terribble bugridden matrix game which also sucked..I only use gamespy to find release dates now – before searching elsewhere for the real info.They have lost all credibility.... __________________

03-02-2005, 03:08 AM	#151
IainiE Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4	Lag.....hmm.. sys specs P4 3.0 1gb ram radeon 9600XT 200 gb drive space total running dual monitor system tweaks: 5% overclock (so it runs at 3.16 ghz, video card overdrive setting turned on...) typically settings in EQ2: balanced, water interaction turned on, cloth sim turned on.. with a few pologon and texture quality sliders set to max.. resolution is 1280 x 1024. I only get lag in Qeynos Harbor and Willow Wood consistently regardless of server population... other parts of the city will lag during high population times.. at medium or low population, everything is fine. While I was XP'ing solo in the thundering stepps, I cranked the graphics settings to the max setting option possible in the drop-down box.. you know. the one that gives you the ~do this and your PC will fry~ warning.. There was noticable framerate drop but it was a far cry from freezeframe I was expecting as long as there were no other players in the field of vision... and where I solo in the TS it's pretty uncommon to see anyone else.. took a few screenies at that setting just cause it looked SOOO amazing. maybe you guys getting serious lag everywhere all the time should check a few settings or something... I will say this however, when I installed service pack 2 my performance dropped like a stone down into lag city everywhere all the time, 1024 x 768 was nearly unplayable, when it didn't crash..... I eventually wiped the system and re-installed.. which restored my performance back to what I posted above. Was it SP2? or the video drivers for SP2?? dunno.. but I'll not install either again. (sp2 caused a LOT of other issues in addition to killing my game of choice)

03-02-2005, 03:09 AM	#152
IainiE Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4	ahh the double post.. not an allakhazam only issue it seems... oh well. Message Edited by IainiEQ2 on 03-01-2005 02:09 PM

03-03-2005, 09:04 PM	#153
drizzt12 General Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 11	I have played both WoW and EQ2 and i am actively playing a 30 Guardian. I thought WoW was horrible. Its extremely basic, so basic my 6 year old cousin could play it. The few things i have against this review are 1. The graphics, they totally picked the wrong one here. I think that the Luclin graphics on EQ1 are better then WoW IMO. 2. The start of WoW doesnt beat EQ2. Its simple you just get quests and do them and you kill stuff. But the tutorial in EQ2 and specialized "newb" zone in EQ2 is ten times as good. 3. Combat, the combat in WoW is once again very basic and not nearly as fun as the combat system in EQ2. It may be fast paced but its real boring. I do have one gripe with EQ2, but its in the process of being fixed from what i understand. This problem is atm the game is very group oriented. In that, to get any kind of good exp you must have a grp. From all the feedback on the test boards this will be fixed in Live Update #4. IMO WoW couldnt hold EQ2's jock strap. I guess some of the people who arent very good at video games have to play WoW because its so basic and an idiot could play it.

03-03-2005, 09:40 PM	#154
roma Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 38	I wrote a comment some time ago about WoW regarding the huge disappointment I first felt when I started playing. I also criticised the fact that there is very few graphic options that it's basicaly impossible to get nice graphics even with my 9800PRO 256MB...not because the card can't cope but because there is nothing in the game that needs such a high-end graphics card!...I wonder why WoW players do not complain about lagging... However after the first free month I cancelled my subscription. Please don't misunderstand me, the game has potential but the basic game-play put me off. I think for people who have some money to spend this combination is perfect: if you are looking for some challenge and deeper immersion in the playing environment then go for EQ2. If you prefer to spend a couple of hrs in relax on an easy run and not too 'stressy' then play WoW. The two together are perfect. I am still looking for an alternative to EQ2. I hope D&D Online will be better than WoW in terms of graphics and game-play. Qerra

03-08-2005, 08:37 PM	#157
Sgleor Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 19	A middle finger awarded to gamespy. I used to thought it was a good site ok. Time to remove it from my favourites

03-19-2005, 09:41 PM	#159
eblanx Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3	It's an editorial, the review was simply the opinion of one man. He has some points I agree with, others I don't. EQ2 and WoW are both very good games and i've received great enjoyment from both of them. I had a blast in WoW til a month or so after retail, about level 45 when I started getting bored with it. In it's defense I probably burned myself playing it too much, but truth be told what wow lacks in end game content it makes up for during the "newbie phase". It's hard to just straight up rate the graphics against each other. EQ2 was very abitious with the graphics engine and personality of the world, and in my opinion it paid off with beautiful scenery at just about every turn. Many appreciate and prefer the cartoony look of WoW, it grows on you after you've played some, but after too long of playing WoW I prefer the eyecandy of EQ2 over the [Removed for Content] limp of my undead priest. Graphics simply come down to a matter of individual preference. Lately most of my time and enjoyment has been going to this game but don't get me wrong, I like WoW, and in the future i'll give it another go, I certainly didn't leave the game with bad feelings just the need to do something else for a while. EQ2 did a better job on the PvE front, the good thing about that is it generates a desire for semi-longevity, but what then? Most of the games i've ever played have been PvP oriented, all of the MMORPG's i've played had the potential for at least some controlled player wacking circumstances until this one. I fear that when the time comes that i'm 50 and [Removed for Content] out or what not, if I still can't wack other players yet, I might get bored. Message Edited by eblanx on 03-19-2005 11:42 AM

03-22-2005, 09:13 PM	#160
Pibly Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 112	I play both WoW and EQ2, but I have to admit my preference is WoW. In fact, I started out in EQ2 and loved it. I got a wizard to mid-20s, a druid to high teens, and a summoner to mid teens, then decided that the "real" game was for melee, so started a fighter and a scout and... well I got bored with ALL of them. At the time, casters were very underpowered, couldnt solo well, and were not wanted in groups, but it was casters that I wanted to play. So... I started playing WoW, and love it. I have a 60 mage there now and both a priest and warlock climbing the ranks. I have a great guild. I can solo when I want and am wanted in groups. High raids are very intense. The huge quantity of quests continues right upto and past 60. However, WoW really does sort of end at 60. There are no aa's, and there are not enough raid zones to continue to provide adequate incentive. I dont know how EQ2 fares there, since I never got past mid-20s. I do think it's a mistake for EQ2 folks to intentionally blind themselves to WoW. It's a great game, as some 1.5 million players can attest. But... EQ2 is a great game too. They both are. For me WoW is more fun, but as many have said in this thread, different strokes for different folks.

04-19-2005, 08:10 AM	#161
vy Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1	Just came back to EQ2 from WoW with a group of friends. I played both Betas, EQ2 for the first month of release and WoW up until now. The review was actually decent except in one area. Graphics. This should have been a tie. WoWs graphics are gentle to my comp, but on a high end machine, EQ2 makes WoW look like nothing by comparison. My recommendations for both companies: Blizzard: Make your character mean something. Everyone is Orc_Rogue_00456. Customization sucks graphically, and while talents were a neat idea, it had horrible execution, basically creating 1-3 builds for each class. Leveling is way to easy. Level 60s are like excrement; everyone has them, and they all stink. The vast majority of your player base couldn't spell at a 3rd grade level, but thanks to you giving them virtually no penalty for death, they still level up to screw up everything I try to do. Yeah we can kick them out, but they just keep coming like a stream of never-ending crap. Ever hear of customer service? Sony has, apparently you missed that memo after having SIX YEARS of watching EQ. Way to drop the ball and then kick it through your neighbors window. Hire some staff, you can afford it. Pull the stick out of yer [Removed for Content] and use a guide system. Sony: PvP. DO IT. This area is killing you and has been the hardest thing to for EVERY SINGLE person I have talked to to get over. I cannot tell you how many times I have told people the differences between the games and had them ready to run to a store to buy your game when, BAM! They ask about PvP and I have to drop the bad news. Boom, there goes your customer base. PvP is going to make or break MMOs because it allows another level of player interaction. Suck it up and make an auction house. You and blizzard "borrow" from each other so much, no one really cares anymore, especially when it comes to something like this. Work a bit on the combat, I could say this about WoW in some respects too, but overall, WoW has much better combat. Keep the HOs, those I have managed to sway from WoW have commented on how much they enjoy them, and trying to figure the things out. Overall I have been left with a bitter taste in my mouth from both companies. I expected a lot more from Sony, and after Diablo, I should have known better about Blizzard going after a non-RTS genre. WoW has the advantage of appealing to beginners and PvP, and they are going to milk that for all it is worth, but that well will run dry soon. That is going to give EQ2 a big opportunity. The question is will they actually do anything with it, or will drive their own game into the ground. /rant off Message Edited by vylo on 04-18-2005 09:12 PM

04-22-2005, 08:58 AM	#162
Thestac General Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Tennessee Posts: 2	Played both. Content wise EQ2 owns, and although I found WoW fun for a few, when I got an error and noticed their tech page had 600 pages...YES SIX HUNDRED, and when a post was ever replied to, it was always the persons machine that was said to be the issue. So I tried everyhting they said to fix it, and they said that their game is a RAM hog and that my problem was RAM. I found that sort of weird since I never had those issues on EQ2, other than some lag. So to make a long story shorter, WoW was ok, but if you have a problem, forget it, just buy a new computer, cuz that is obviously the issue. Oh and BTW, back on EQ2, guess what NO PROBLEMS

04-22-2005, 04:13 PM	#163
Kiadr Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2	I played WoW in closed Beta and enjoyed it. There were three main issues that worried me though. First was how “easy” the game was as far as leveling. Getting to 60 just didn’t take much effort. Second was the end game, or lack of one actually and third was the lack of depth with regards to gameplay. I figured that those issues were beta related, so I decided to wait until release to make final judgment. I didn’t buy WoW until a couple months after release, since I was not interested in dealing with the almost inevitable release bugs and lag. Sadly, even after I did buy WoW, the same problems that were in beta were in the retail version. Leveling was just way too easy. There was no sense of accomplishment in getting there. This concept, in and of itself, wasn’t all that bad; what made this such an issue for me was the fact that WoW has NO end game. There is just nothing to do at 60, unless your idea of fun is running the exact same 3 or 4 instances over and over and over and over again desperately hoping to get a drop. While I am not looking for an EQ1’esque style of raiding where you must dedicate 6, 7, 10+ hours a day to the game, I would like to see something more than the exact same 3 or 4 “end game” instances. WoW also suffers greatly from a lack of depth with regards to gameplay. The crafting system is not at all innovative. You collect a bunch of materials and then click the “combine all” button and wait for them to all get done. You can’t “fail” a combine either. There is just nothing to it. Besides tradeskills, there is just nothing much else to do in WoW. And then there is the WoW community. The WoW community is dreadful. I played on an RP server and since getting bored was so commonplace for people, they would resort to griefing just for fun. You would be shocked at what people came up with in their pursuit to annoy, harass and offend other people. It was Battle.net mentality at its finest. Granted, WoW has a lot of good points too. The game is fun, at least for a while, but I want something I know will hold my attention 6 months, 1 year, heck even 5 years from now. Blizzard seems to be relying almost exclusively on PvP to accomplished the longevity component of the game. Well, I don’t much care for PvP, so, in the end, WoW was not for me. EQ2, in my opinion, is a superior game. EQ2 has depth, a unique tradeskill system, a FAR superior community (both in these forums and in game), far more communication between Devs and the players and it is run by a company that I know can produce a very expansive endgame. I absolutely believe that EQ2 will develop an excellent “raiding” game for people who don’t have 10+ hours a day to play. All in all, SoE just seems more focused on making EQ2 the best MMO out there. It isn’t perfect, but for my money, it is a superior game to anything out there right now and it is headed in the right direction, which is forward. ^_^ WoW seems spends the vast majority of its time trying to balance the classes for PvP, and that just doesn’t leave much time for anything else of substance. If PvP is your thing, WoW is the place to be, but if you are looking for something more, EQ2 has a decisive edge, in my opinion.

04-22-2005, 08:05 PM	#165
Lacieone Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 21	Hi All, I have to say that we've never played WOW, just looked at the screenshots, but personally i love the everquestII graphics.. I have to tell you that my husband and I both run 3.2 gb p4, asus mb, 2 gb dual channel ddr, 2/ 120gb hd's but we run the ATI X800 pro 256 mb DDR3 video cards and have beautiful graphics on one of the highest settings, we have yet to experience any trouble... we build systems and i have to say we personally prefer ATI over nvidia ... just a thought. Happy Hunting - Faren

04-24-2005, 02:59 AM	#166
Nik Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3	Really stupid man I could tell this is from a perspective of a guy who like WoW more because of when he said WoW won on the graphics part i knew it was total BS I really enjoyed this until i seen that make another one this time from a person who loves eq2 and WoW