Gamespy's EQII vs WoW (not the poll)

[Coyt]

I have to make a point here. It is not intended as a flame. I am not exagerating , or inflating any numbers to make a point. I have an XP1800 processor, 1gb of PC2700, a Radion 9600XT 128 ddr . I run the game at balanced setting , It looks fantastic. I have never seen any screen shots of any other MMORPG that even come close. It needs to be mentioned that i rarely experience any sort of lag or low framerates.

 

Grafics quality is not opinion, just like anything else there are criteria that define quality. Things like texture quality,and light sourcing. We could talk about what makes quality graphics for days and not cover it all. The simple fact is that EQ2 does dozens of thing graphicaly that other games dont, they cant they are inferior.

That is a tecnical fact.

I would like to suggest to the person that mentioned getting headaches with EQ2 to replace  your monitor or increase the refresh rate on the monitor and/or in the video settings for your display. This sometimes happens for sensitive people when the frame rates drop on a low refresh rate. If that doesnt help seek medical advice as this is not normal. 

It just occured to me that I should mention so as not to misslead people that i have overclocked my processor to 2.095 Ghz and this does make a little bit of a difference. But to all those that have graffics perfomance problems, please fix your PC,s before you flame SOE for horrible perfomance, it may not be them that is at fault.

You may have to flash your Bios on your MB and your Vid card and make sure the chipset drivers for the MB are current and support the latest Video card drivers. Sometimes installing the latest drivers for your x800 will cause big problems if your Bios is running an old version. I was pleasantly surprised at how well the game ran on my PC. If you cant do these things i just mentioned, well not to sound harsh but i hear X-box has nice graphics.

 

Now to say that WOW has better graphics is just silly, its like saying that a 72pinto is better than a Porche 959 because it gets better gas milage and you cant drive a stick. If you prefer the look of WOW, thats fine, preferance is 100% personal. But please be big enough to recognise that a review should be based on quality not personal preference, especialy when one prefers what is obviosly technicaly inferior.

[Lord Vec]

3.0 HT 800FSB P4Intel 865GBF MOBO Audigy 2 value with 5.1 surround.GForce 6800GT2Gig DDR 400Game runs like a champ Best graphics I've ever seen in a MMORPG in 8 years. Anyone who says different isnt running a system that does EQ2 justice.

[SDD1965]

EQ2 Sucks, WoW is awesome. Case Closed. Yep, I already cancelled both my EQ2 accounts, I just like pestering you bunch of fanboy loosers. Get a grip and see the fact that Sony manipulating you in to shelling out money and offering little in return

[Coyt]

We obviously beg to differ. If WoW is the place for you then i wish you well. Please try to refrain from namecalling and insulting as it does nothing but undermine your preference. I do love EQ2 if that makes me a fanboy so be it the game is worthy of a certain amount of fandom. Any further posting would indicate that you are just causing trouble by your own admission. I would hope that it would get you banned. Perhaps you should take your admitted preferance to the Wow boards where it could be expressed positively, would be much more constructive i think.

[Lord Vec]

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SDD1965 wrote:

EQ2 Sucks, WoW is awesome. Case Closed. Yep, I already cancelled both my EQ2 accounts, I just like pestering you bunch of fanboy loosers. Get a grip and see the fact that Sony manipulating you in to shelling out money and offering little in return

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Looks like the bigger fanboi always has 2 accounts.NoOb!

[VampiressAnn]

Well i gotta be honest, I was so frustrated with all the negative changes that eq2 has done to their game, that had so much potential at release, that I bought and tried wow and I have been playing it for a few weeks, and that game rocks..

 

I have experienced hardly any lag at all,  the questing system is fun and challenging, and there are lots of different types of quests and you can choose your rewards when you the complete quest. 

 

the battle system is fun, i can go out and actually kill things, and not worry about whether it is a grouped, solo mob etc.

 

there is the excitement of the creatures not being tagged as grouped or solo, so you never know if your going to pull one, two, or the whole crowd.

 

there are lots of little animations that i like, like actually seeing yourself eat and drink , seeing my quiver of arrows on my back as i shoot them, seeing the arrows fly from the bow and hit the target,  etc.

 

the game is alive with vivid colors and no character looks the same, there are tons of armor and weapon choices, all look different. there are capes. all kinds of hats, helmets, sunglasses, belts, etc.

 

the world is virtually seemless, with hardly any zoning, you can get lost exploring for hours,

there is true good vs evil and excellent PVP.

 

to me i was surprised by how well i do enjoy the graphics, i think they are breath taking,

 

at least they have color and some 3d appearance to them

 

I do love eq2's crafting system, and if they can get the bugs out of it and get it working properly it would totally own all other game's crafting systems.

 

in eq2 everything is a shade of brown,green,grey, and everytime i buy a new piece of gear its brown and the same style. everyone looks the same, some of the landscape graphics might be nice, but the characters need alot of work. and to me the over all world needs some color and variety to it.

 

and of course there is the auction system that wow has, that i really like,

 

these are just my opionions and observations and of course like others have said its all about what we as individuals prefer,

 

I am not given up on eq2 yet, i do love this game, and i feel that in the future it will be the great game, that it has the potential of being

 

Message Edited by VampiressAnn on 01-12-2005 04:28 AM

[keiic]

EQ Sucks, WoW is awesome. Case Closed. Yep, I already cancelled both my EQ accounts, I just like pestering you bunch of fanboy loosers. Get a grip and see the fact that Sony manipulating you in to shelling out money and offering EQ2 in return

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's why I am playing..... EQ2.

 

 

[Dolf Goodchee]

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Lord Cat wrote:

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Akele wrote:

Gamespy has a new article pitting the two games against one another. See here: http://pc.gamespy.com/articles/572/572447p1.html?fromint=1

I'm afraid I stopped taking it seriously when they gave WoW graphics the edge over EQII's. :smileymad:

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while EQ2 has 'more realistic' graphics.. they aren't realistic enough to be pleasing to the eye... WoW's aren't as realistic enough... but having played both extensivley... i can say my eyes do not hurt after playing WoW... they hurt after playing EQ2....  A friend of mine can't even stand looking at the eq2 graphics for more than 5 minutes without getting a headache... and I can see where he's coming from...

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*pssssst*  Turn the refresh rate on your monitor up from the default of 60 (that's what gives headaches), and turn the contrast on your monitor down from it's factory set default of 100% (makes colors dull / lessens proper look of shadows).

[Nari]

Well, after reading all of these posts, I will add this:The older Radeons and the new nVidia cards are completely different. You can say that you are happy with your performance or unhappy with it, but they work so differently that there isn't a good comparison. My experience with stutter and load times has mostly been tied to RAM. I am not going to bore you all with the horrible mistake that I made in purchasing my computer. (It wasn't apparent until I bought this game 3 years after the fact.)I will bore you with something else.My boyfriend and I own both games. I am quite fond of both of them and still can't decide between them. (To make the decision harder, my evil, yet lovable boyfriend got me gift cards for time on both games. I guess I will table the decision for a couple of months. I am too cheap to keep both.)Anyway, after playing both, he said to me that he liked the graphics in WoW better. I told him that they weren't better, EQ2 has more detail. He then told me that I tended to like more cartoony things. I told him that WoW was actually more cartoony. Of course he ignored my statement. Nevermind that I do real-time graphics for a living. It didn't help that he had his EQ2 settings on "Balanced" and I had mine on "Extreme Performance." I like good framerates so I will sacrifice the prettiness.Eventually, I tired of his constant insisting that WoW graphics were better and my style preference was [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] or something (oh, yeah and it was NOT obvious that there is more geometry in the EQ2 scene), so I made him get very close to an item in WoW. Then, I made him get practically on top of something with the camera in EQ2. He admitted that there was a lot more detail. Later, he conceded that, by my definition the EQ2 graphics were better. I still have to hand it to the WoW guys. They are great texture artists and they really know how to compose a scene.I guess this post wasn't so much about the 2 games, but more the fact that I finally won an argument with my boyfriend!!! So if you see Parellathos on the Everfrost server, make sure to rub it in for me.

[Dolf Goodchee]

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SDD1965 wrote:

EQ2 Sucks, WoW is awesome. Case Closed. Yep, I already cancelled both my EQ2 accounts, I just like pestering you bunch of fanboy loosers. Get a grip and see the fact that Sony manipulating you in to shelling out money and offering little in return

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This is why I'm glad WoW is out.  It draws kids like this in, away from EQ2.

[Nari]

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3devious wrote:Eventually, I tired of his constant insisting that WoW graphics were better and my style preference was [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] or something (oh, yeah and it was NOT obvious that there is more geometry in the EQ2 scene), so I made him get very close to an item in WoW.

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Hey! >I did NOT swear. A synonym for the word I used would be "mentally-challenged."I don't feel strongly enough about this to actually swear.

[Beaon]

I am so suprised at the whole gaming community as a whole. Never in my time of reading reviews have I ever seen so many fanboy and biased reviews.

 

First off you have this clearly biased review on WOW and EQ2 which is simply dumb and looses all my credit to gamespy in taking any of their reviews seriously.

 

What really set me off was yet another OBVIOUS fanboy review. This time on PCgamer which I usually trust. They said that EQ2 was a EQ1 clone and WOW was a whole new world of new stuff and its oh so great. Which is quiet opposite of how I feel things are.

 

Honestly if your going to compare the games at the very least dont make it OBVIOS that your a fanboy who is scared that WOW wont be a success.

 

It is intresting isnt it, to those old EQ1 players, people used to bash and make fun at you playing EQ1. Most of my gaming friends thought I was a looser for investing 4 years into EQ1. Which quiet honestly that game went to [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] when luclin came out, yet was perfect when vellious was out. The funny thing is, i find, is that all these old friends of mine are WOW fanboys.

 

I almost feel that they have to rub it in my face that wow is better because they th emselves are scared that their oh so wonderful game wont be a hit. I bet half of my friends would continue playing WOW even if it did suck, just to try and smite the EQ2 community. Which is dumb. People would rather be RIGHT, then have fun.

 

Let me ask all you WOW fanboys. Besides questing and the economy system.

 

I tell you right now to your face, WOW is nothing more then EQ1 with newer graphics. It is a EQ1 CLONE. However they managed to pull some of the $hit EQ1 has currently that makes it no more fun.

 

Want to argue with me? Fine do so. Ill prove you wrong.

 

Grouping is the same, you still go grind mobs over, sure you can be doing quests while grinding and killing but its still one giant grind. To argue that it is not is dumb. Be honest, every MMO is a grind. You must be able to distinguis the new players from the older players. As well it should be a grind, the question is which one is fun on the way to high end content?

WOW is every bit as repetative as EQ1 and every bit of a grind. Sure its faster to level, which isnt necessarily good. The world is attractive which might make things feel more exciting for players, but 4 years of EQ1 showed me that its all the same everywhere you go. Their combat system is so simple and limited.

 

I am just now level 30 and I have done things I never thought possible in combat. Stuff WOW hasnt even touched yet.

 

Grouping in WOW is sames as EQ1.

 

Raiding in WOW is same as EQ1, 40+ people zerging, its all the same. However some of the older mobs in EQ1 and some of the newer ones require some interesting tactics. If your a skilled guild you can kill big things with low numbers, but we all know everyone loves mindless dumb zerging. Which is exactly what WOW will be about and is about. Raiding in WOW is same as EQ1.

 

What does WOW have to offer that EQ1 already does not have? Seriously?

 

Oh wow has a new quest system!

One nice quest system doesnt make a game. Just because its easy to organize doesnt mean im going to drop my mouth and drool over another EQ1 clone.

 

From now on I truely beleive that the WOW community is a vast community of players who feel that they must win vs EQ2.

 

Instead of just having fun, they simply must be better. Even if WOW sucks, they would rather play and be right. OR bring everyone down to their level to play with them.

 

I was going to get wow just because some of my friends played, but now after reading so many completly stupid reviews ill pass.

 

NOw that im lvl 30 and im in EL, and Zek, i explored the new catacombs in antonica last night. I dont even think of any other game.

I feel like im back in VEllious in EQ1. I feel like im having fun again. Its amazing.

 

The game is good when you stop thikning of any other game and start saving money because you dont buy any new ones.

 

ANd now that I beat HL2 I have all the time in the world to have fun.

 

I feel the WOW community feels threatened by the EQ2 community. WHy else would there be so many blatently obvious bias reviews?

 

 

 

And to those who feel the wow customer service is so great. I know of so many untouched issues WOW has had since DAY 1. And yet have they released a major patch to address those issues. Let me be honest with you developers, PVP and MMO's do not mix. It will never, and can never be balanced. THe only way to make it balanced is to loose diversity. You have to decide one or the other, you simply cannot have both. Every single last mmo to date with PVP has proved that. I personlly dont care, pvp is still fun even if it isnt balanced. I dont play a MMORPG for PVP. Thats what counterstrike and Dawn of war is for. Not my mmo's.

 

 

EQ2 on the other hand has released 2 major game enchancing, changing, and fixing updates. Sure there are some major issues in the game that I have serious problems with, which I will be posting about next. However I feel EQ2 team has done a much better job then WOW has.

 

You honestly think blizzard is going to preform? Dont get me wrong I am a long lover of blizzard games. HOwever let em give you one key and prime example of why their customer service has always sucked. Two words explains it all.

Battle Net

Yes thats right, wonderful, yet the biggest exapmple of bad support in the history of online gaming imho. Not to mention look at all of their games? Diablo, SC, D2, WC3, and others. How often did they release patches? How often did they fix issues in the game?  I know some of their games which have been out for years that have the very same issues since day 1.

 

WC3 I bought right away, at first I thought they were going to be on top of their stuff, a patch was released right away. Then we waited like half a year for the rest of the problems to get fixed, which eventually led me to quit. Now Dawn of War is out and I dont care. WC3 can die and burn for all i care.

 

Any how my rant is spent. I am just so sick and tired of reading fanboy reviews, Gamespot has similar dumb review of the two games.

 

The funny thing is every review I see points out no real bad thing about EQ2, and no real good thing about WOW, yet everyone always gives wow 20 point edge. WHy? I should think they themselves dont know why, because I have yet to read a review that brought one valid point as to why WOW is so wonderful.

 

Review #1

I should think I would like to write a review about dog crap. Its wondeful! I give it a 9.6 on the taste scale. Eaters everywhere will flock to taste dog crap! Its warm, its gooey, its smooth. Its perfect! Everyone do it!

 

Review #2

Chocolate, its ok. I mean it tastes alright. It might be worth trying but there is other stuff out there that competitors have already nailed better. Like Dog Crap.

 

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As of this date on Gamespy, PCGamer, and Gamespot have all lost my respect. Am I a EQ2 Fanboy? Sure but I do listen to honest criticism and non bias reviews. However when everyone makes their reveiws so patheticly obviously biased it makes me want to vomit on everyone and everything.

 

My rant is off. Never in my gaming career have I felt the same as I have in some of my adventures in Zek, and EL. I am glad to have those experiances and I dont plan on leaving them anytime soon.

 

 

 

I think alot of people can get fooled into playing a really bad game, if you dont beleive me look at the games across the world.

Lineage 2, by far IMHO is the worst MMO ever created, not just worst MMO but the WORST dumbest game ever in the world. Yet somehow a game that SUCKS that BAD, has 2 million susbscribers. And it is 2 million players who dont want to play FFXI because they have to be right, and their game has to win. SO those 2 million subscribers will continue to endure the biggest pointless grindfest ever created in a game, and the few FFXI players will actually be having fun.

 

Me, im not spending 15 bucks a month to be right, to win, or to smite another game. Im playing for my own pleasure. Because of this I will continue to play the funner game untill it becomes dumb, boring, or bad like EQ1 did.

 

 

That is my flame for the day. Please concider what I say with an open mind.

[Manit]

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...Basically, in order to have your wares appear on the market listings, you have to purchase a bulletin board from an NPC vendor, place it on your house, and then remain at home till stuff sells (if it ever does)...Crafters, especially, get hit hard by this...You would log into the game and your mail icon would be flashing. The bad thing about this is you can not read your mail anywhere. You had to be in a major city...I do not see this as a trivial issue, especially when everytime I sell I have to leave my computer on overnight and almost every time I got locked out after an hour or two and wake up with next morning still with a full inventory...The crafting system in WoW is sheer pleasure compared to crafting in EQ2. You get what you need, you make the item...

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I enjoy complication, but the marketing system in EQ2 is not complicated. The system is simply 'thought-out'. This level of detail makes me more 'in the game' instead of 'playing a game' as mentioned previously. I believe the more 'cut and dry' (or simple) a game becomes the less I am 'in the game'. The italics above are some examples on how players want to dumb down the game.

In regards to crafters, selling items on the market requires business sense and patience for example you will hardly sell an item if your price is higher than the price of other players. Moreover, the players who want to buy your items might not be online yet. To give you an idea of how I approach the market, I price my items equal to the lowest price if the price is below my pricing guidelines. I found in developing a pricing guideline is very beneficial.

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...The game is not meant to run on "Extreme Quality" yet...I can't imagine a 6800gt runs worse. There has to be more variables...

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There are definately many variables that can cause performance degradation for example:

I have the ATI Radeon X800 XT Platinum AGP graphic card, 2.5gb DDR400, AMD3000+ (333Mhz version), and of course my FSB is 400mhz. I am a graphics [Removed for Content] and I do not believe in playing below 'High Quality' thus 'High Quality' runs flawless 97.5%. I try to play on 'Very High Quality' as much as I can, but the increased lighting and texturing causes me to stagger when more than 6 players are on screen doing whatever they're doing. But for the 2.5%, 'High Quality' lags like hell for me sometimes no matter the number of players, and the lag becomes so obnoxious i have to reduce to 'balance'. I have no idea why my performance degrades like this but it happens. Thus, there are many variables involved in performance.

Oooo....I can't wait for my next upgrade...I'd say in 6 months i'll be playing on 'Very High Quality' with no stuttering and possibly 'Excellent Quality' with some stuttering. Oh EQ2, your Heavanly Bliss!!! =*D ...sheesh...almost had an orgasm...Only if I would've waited 2 months to get the Radeon X850 XT Platinum PCI-Express...Garrgh...

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...Yes, WoW graphics are "retro" and fun...For all that WOW has a cartoon feel, I can say those cartoons had artistic consistency and fantastic overall direction...Now if they only didn't go overkill on group effects there would be a lot less lag...Photorealism is becoming a standard nowadays...WoW doesn't seem to immerse you so much in the game. You feel like you're "playing a game" more than "in a game"...

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I have two words. 'The Flinstones'. If 'The Flinstones' wanted to become a MMORPG, the name would be WoW. There is a fundamental concept why kids love the bright colors and contrasts in Barney and Telle-tubbies (spelling?). If EQ2's colors and such were exagerrated like WoW's colors and such, players would possibly view the graphics to be very similar. This is why something has to be said about 'photorealism'. Cartoony and realistic games are almost the same except the small details in realistic games. I believe the small details in colors, contrasts, texturing, and so on is what creates the 'photo-realistic' game. I think EQ2's small graphical details has made EQ2's graphics quite superior.

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...overall combat was very bland. WoW was designed for a single player audience, whereas eq2 was designed for an MMO audience...overall, it takes longer to get involved and hooked to eq2, and none of the reviewers seem to actually be playing that long...

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Warcraft has always been a S&D RTS (seek and destroy) and, from the style of WoW, Warcraft will always have the evidence of a S&D RTS. Blizzard tried to make Warcraft more of a RPG through WCIII, but no luck I think. WoW is still fast paced, simple, and direct ('wham-bam' 'get-it-done'). If the hardcore RPG player becomes frustrated by the 'micro-managing' in EQ2, I understand why the player would enjoy WoW. This is why I believe WoW is the RPG for the RTS player. I believe a RTS player is more "prone" to impatience. I think WoW's increased combat speed, fast loading, bright colors, and simplicity is how the professional game reviewers seperates WoW from other MMORPGs.

This thread has been quite interesting, but I have only read the first two pages. Maybe i've covered everything I wanted to say depending on the next pages.

Rock On!!

Message Edited by Manitos on 02-12-2005 02:18 AM

[Manit]

Honestly, after reading 2 more pages, I think the authors on this thread who are dedicated to EQ don't like how WoW is unfairly dipping into EQ's kool-aide with reviews like the one referenced for the topic from Gamespy. I believe my previous comments about WoW do make the RPG unique and seperate from EQ2.

One last thing, i have to say to the WoW players...what the!! omg!! If you cannot view the graphics on EQ2 from 'High Quality' and up, do not negatively criticize EQ2's graphics because you are an ignorant fool with an intel 8088 system. in layman's terms, get better graphics hardware!! sheesh...i need a drink

Message Edited by Manitos on 01-14-2005 11:39 PM

[Beaon]

An argument I have to the graphic arguers is this.

 

If being more realistic makes the game less of a fantasy, then what is Lord of the Rings?

 

If being more realistic makes it less beleivable, then I should think Half Life 2 graphics must suck and completly un immersive.

 

 

I just simply dont see the logic.

 

If WoW has more of a fantasy feel then EQ2 then most fantasy movies to date must really dissapoint you.

[Kiasyd]

After reading the 5 pages of post on this thread, I saved myself the aggro and haven't bothered reading the actual article.  My post actually is just something I noticed in the post with the screenshot from WoW and EQII.  All of the EQ vets out there...especially the one's who have been playing with the more recent expansions and updates...look at one of your newer screen shots.  Look at the WoW screenshot.  Look vaguely similar?  I mean on rendering and the "chunkiness" of the characters and the flat drawn on appearance of the tree details.  It isn't a question of who is better when you can run at higher end...the EQII graphics are next generation where as the WoW graphics look just like the same old thing improved because software and cards have not because of (nor because of any lack of) graphical or creative effort on the part of Blizzard.  Apples to Oranges.

[Tiberi]

Graphics luster wears off fast when Mechanics fail to work properly in EQ2 im getting more and more upset with eq2 and will end up just quitting as the devs dont seem to give a rats [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] if it works or not just to dump more content on us. So we can forget about the troubles at hand find another sucker for your beta test

[Manit]

Welp, I've reconfigured my system and now able to play the game on "Extreme Quality". The game *can* be played on "Extreme Quality" when you have the correct hardware. Even when i'm in a group of 6 with all the magic, I receive very little stuttering. And it looks beautiful with the elaborate texturing and lighting (the small stuff is what counts). I am just using the 333mhz version of the XP3000+ and the ATI X800 XT Platinum Edition (PE) AGP card. Card was roughly $400. And i haven't experienced any performance drops, yet. ATI a month or so ago (around the beginning of january) released their X850 XT PE PCI Express card and not to forget the DDR2 RAM and the XP3200+. If you have enough RAM, a RAID won't help you for EQ2. A system consisting of the X850, AmdXP, and RAM mentioned previously would process the EQ2 engine with no problem. I think SOE should've pushed the graphics engine even higher which would be orgasmic.I wished Tiberius would've pointed out some of the problems with Mechanics. I bet WoW have Mechanic problems also. Just give them time. SOE and Blizzard will polish their games up quite well because these games really still are "new".Kiasyd73, I understand.

Message Edited by Manitos on 02-12-2005 02:22 AM

[Pote]

I stopped reading the article when I saw that WoW won "best graphics". Are you #¤#" kidding me? EQ2 is 10x more beautiful than WoW. Its obvious to everyone. Come on.

[Dolf Goodchee]

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Beaon wrote:

I am so suprised at the whole gaming community as a whole. Never in my time of reading reviews have I ever seen so many fanboy and biased reviews.

 

First off .................

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Very well written and thought out, thank you.

And I agree that there are a lot of WoW people caught in a fad, putting down EQ2 simply to "win" some imaginary title, even though they haven't tried EQ2 or they know EQ2 is the better game.  It's a fad and it will pass.  In the mean time, we just have to shake our heads and laugh. 

[Twystedwiz]

I would also have to disagree with their assessment of graphics. Swap that one point and EQ2 is the winner.Let's talk about longevity. Is WoW really going to be able to keep players beyond max level? I kind of doubt it. I played beta, and a little after release and WoW just gets boring. Sure, easy is nice at first, but challenging is more fun in the long run.COMMUNITY! If you have been unlucky enough to be exposed to the cess pool that is the WoW player base you already know what I mean. WoW has set a new standard here, they win the dubious distinction of attracting even more infantile, rude, inconsiderate, belligerent, greedy, dishonest, smack-talking, and whiny players than Lineage 2. And the current implementation of PvP in WoW just encourages the gankers/griefers. There's really no motivation (penalty/reward) to PvP in WoW outside of griefing.PvP in general? Yeah, let's compare something that one has to something that the other doesn't. I guess EQ2 would win by default also if they were to compare player housing for example?And, I'm sorry but WoW's queues should completely disqualify it as a serious contendor. None of the games mechanics mean diddly if you can't even get on to play because the servers are down (a regular occurence) or you are number 3,000 in a queue!Unfortunately, I do have to agree with their take on buying and selling. EQ2's requirement that you be online, in your room, and therefore unable to do anything else is broken to say the least. I would love to participate in tradeskills more than I do but I don't like sitting in my room staring at the walls when there are perfectly good monsters just waiting to be killed. Take a page from FFXI or WoW here and give us a central auction structure where we can place goods up for sale while we go on about our business. I LOVE tradeskills in EQ2, I HATE what I have to do to sell what I make so I don't TS as much as I'd like to. They made part of it so engaging and enjoyable and then made the other part so boring and unattractive...

[Manit]

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I LOVE tradeskills in EQ2, I HATE what I have to do to sell what I make so I don't TS as much as I'd like to. They made part of it so engaging and enjoyable and then made the other part so boring and unattractive...

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If you are playing so much that you are not allowing your self to setup shop, go get a tan!! sheesh. Moreover, if you are not selling an item, it's probably bad timing and/or high prices. I like the auction concept, but players should pay an additional fee for "storage to the broker" to allow the selling of items without seting up shop for example an additional 20% tax (paid by the item's owner) before the taxing of an item by the broker to allow the auctioning of an item.

I think the marketing concept should be meshed between WoW's and EQ2's item marketing approaches. I believe they're both lacking and successful in their implementation.

Message Edited by Manitos on 01-25-2005 09:52 PM

[Barim]

I actually agree about the graphics, I run on extreme performance but have select settings maxed out, like model and particle bias.

 

It runs smooth yes but at them settings graphics aint even closely compared in quality with the settings and quality I can get in WoW on this system.

 

The bossibility of awesome graphics, ( cause dear god they are NICE if you crank it up a few nothces and on highest it is outrigth insane ), is not the same thing as actual awesome graphics.

 

Saying Roseanne Barr is a perfect 10 only there are 100 pounds obscuring that fact does NOT make her a perfect ten, if you get my meaning. ( Not saying she would be without them pounds, twas an example )

 

I run this on a:

 

p4 2.6 HT

800 FSB

1Gb of pc 3200

Samsung S-ATA 160Gb

FX 5900 128mb

 

Not an awesome system but it is ok, and I can get better graphics in just about any game then I can in EQ2, well playable graphics i mean, I can get BEST graphics in EQ2 but then I can just as well take a screenie of that, set it as background and stare at desktop for a few hours.

 

 

 

 

[Coyt]

Barimen wrote;

 

 run this on a:

 

p4 2.6 HT

800 FSB

1Gb of pc 3200

Samsung S-ATA 160Gb

FX 5900 128mb

 

Not an awesome system but it is ok, and I can get better graphics in just about any game then I can in EQ2, well playable graphics i mean, I can get BEST graphics in EQ2 but then I can just as well take a screenie of that, set it as background and stare at desktop for a few hours.

 

I have a XP1800 OCed to 2.1Ghz and 1Gb of PC2700 with a Radion 9600xt and i run on Balanced settings with no problems.

Either that FX5900 is a dog or there is something wrong with your system because your PC should be noticeably faster than mine.

[fasht]

Errrrr, ok, that review was written by two people, one who was playing WoW, someone called Allen "Delsyn" Rausch. And one playing EQ2, Miguel "Chakumbele" LopezFor a start, it isn't a "review" if it's done by two people. Compare Apples with Apples here.Not some guy eating a Hamburger and Chips and some other guy eating a Steak Burger and Salad then get them both to argue which one was better... they can't POSSIBLY tellNext point, the EQ2 guy isn't as good a writer as the WoW reviewer, you can tell THAT from the very first section, "How Engaging Is the Early Game? Is It Easy for New Players To Learn the Conventions of the Game and Get Involved?"I know NOTHING about WoW but I do know the first EQ2 area is fantastic, there is a story based tutorial for people that can't even find the mouse, plus an entire newbie island that has the same quests you get from the main land (um, the WoW guy mentions WoW has that too) and you level amazing fast (Gee the WoW review mentions 15 minutes for the FIRST LEVEL!!!!! Amazing, lucky it's only like 2 or 3 in EQ2In fact the WoW guy almost describes EQ2 newbie experience to a T except its faster to level and there is more of a tutorial if you need it. Um, in other words the EQ2 one sounds better to meFrankly, that article is just filler. It is meaningless garbage. I dont care if WoW or EQ2 is "better" but that comparison is from bottom to top

[Manit]

Coytee, Barimen isn't saying he has a good system for the graphics. Coytee, if you can read past Barimen's bad grammar and spelling, Barimen is saying that WoW has better graphics than EQ2 because essentially WoW's "extreme performance" looks better than EQ2's "extreme performance". Barimen is calling this "actual awesome graphics". What the? Sounds like a kid got his ball taken away by bullies and he can't get it back.I can't test this anymore because I have uninstalled WoW and given the game to my friends. So sure, this is probably true, but this type of bottom line testing doesn't prove the true graphics capability of a game's graphic engine. The WoW engine probably added more graphical enhancements to WoW's "extreme performance" than EQ2's "extreme performance". Due to this fact, the only way to truely test a graphics engine is to set all graphical settings to their maximum capabilities and then make your comparisons. This is why I say that if you cannot play EQ2 on "high quality" or higher then you should not negatively criticize EQ2's graphics. Based on Barimer's statements, Barimer gave me the impression that he was insulted by reading that his system is not good enough for EQ2's "high quality" or even "extreme quality" otherwise he wouldn't have made this utterly ridiculous "bottom line" (i.e, "actual awesome graphics") type of test. Unless he's saying that WoW's software programming is not displaying the true capabilities of WoW's graphics engine.Welp, that's my two cents. Rock on!

Message Edited by Manitos on 01-27-2005 08:20 AM

[Dolf Goodchee]

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Coytee wrote:

Barimen wrote;

 

 run this on a:

 

p4 2.6 HT

800 FSB

1Gb of pc 3200

Samsung S-ATA 160Gb

FX 5900 128mb

 

Not an awesome system but it is ok, and I can get better graphics in just about any game then I can in EQ2, well playable graphics i mean, I can get BEST graphics in EQ2 but then I can just as well take a screenie of that, set it as background and stare at desktop for a few hours.

 

I have a XP1800 OCed to 2.1Ghz and 1Gb of PC2700 with a Radion 9600xt and i run on Balanced settings with no problems.

Either that FX5900 is a dog or there is something wrong with your system because your PC should be noticeably faster than mine.

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It's not the 5900 card.  My sytem is similar to his, but with a P4 2.8 and my FX 5900 is overclocked to a 5900ultra.  EQ2 video settings are custom, after I tweaked them using the guide that is posted around here somewhere (quite nice improvement after that), and the game runs extremely smooth with the resolution on 1280 x 1024.

[Kyo]

double sorry

Message Edited by Kyoke on 01-28-2005 12:14 PM

[Kyo]

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Beaon wrote:

 

What really set me off was yet another OBVIOUS fanboy review. This time on PCgamer which I usually trust. They said that EQ2 was a EQ1 clone and WOW was a whole new world of new stuff and its oh so great. Which is quiet opposite of how I feel things are.

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I also have read alot of reviews and people stating that WOW is the first of it's kind, nothing like it, etc...  If any of you played Diablo 2, then you will know how WOW(Diablo 3 with a facelift) is like.  Questing, the way items are color coded, skill tree(cookie cutter builds), etc...  The only difference is in WOW you can have more then 8(don't remember max players can be in game) players in your hosted game.

[Coyt]

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Manitos wrote:
Coytee, Barimen isn't saying he has a good system for the graphics. Coytee, if you can read past Barimen's bad grammar and spelling, Barimen is saying that WoW has better graphics than EQ2 because essentially WoW's "extreme performance" looks better than EQ2's "extreme performance". Barimen is calling this "actual awesome graphics". What the? Sounds like a kid got his ball taken away by bullies and he can't get it back.

I can't test this anymore because I have uninstalled WoW and given the game to my friends. So sure, this is probably true, but this type of bottom line testing doesn't prove the true graphics capability of a game's graphic engine. The WoW engine probably added more graphical enhancements to WoW's "extreme performance" than EQ2's "extreme performance".

Due to this fact, the only way to truely test a graphics engine is to set all graphical settings to their maximum capabilities and then make your comparisons. This is why I say that if you cannot play EQ2 on "high quality" or higher then you should not negatively criticize EQ2's graphics. Based on Barimer's statements, Barimer gave me the impression that he was insulted by reading that his system is not good enough for EQ2's "high quality" or even "extreme quality" otherwise he wouldn't have made this utterly ridiculous "bottom line" (i.e, "actual awesome graphics") type of test. Unless he's saying that WoW's software programming is not displaying the true capabilities of WoW's graphics engine.

Welp, that's my two cents. Rock on!

Message Edited by Manitos on 01-27-2005 08:20 AM

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Yes I got that. I probbably should have added that EQ2 on balanced setting looks way better than WoW, and he SHOULD be able to run it on balanced. I also should have agreed with him that EQ2's extreme performance setting is almost comically bad.

Im sorry I didnt make my point more clear.

Message Edited by Coytee on 02-02-2005 07:43 AM