Marauder's Vaunt

Buffrat · 10-24-2014, 11:32 PM

Isn't actually affecting tooltips, not sure it's working at all. Also the beta buffer gives you the apprentice level, Can we see the Master book?

Endymion · 10-24-2014, 11:35 PM

It wouldn't show up in tooltips because of how it's applied (think The Finisher neck).

Tyman · 10-24-2014, 11:37 PM

Might be asking for too much, but maybe make it raid wide?

Buffrat · 10-24-2014, 11:55 PM

So if it's Finisher neck, does that mean it's additive with the assassin shadows endline that increases damage sub 30%? Is it also the same mechanic as the new bard endline that increases ability damage by 15%, making it additive with that too?

And yeah, I think it should be raidwide. Groupwide however means that my new group is going to be Monk Dirge Assassin Brigand Swashbuckler Mystic.

Xelgad · 10-25-2014, 12:30 AM

Correct. It is additive with all effects like the assassin ability that increases ability damage below 30%. It is also the same with the new bard endline that you mentioned. They are all additive with each other and all use the same mechanic.

EDIT: Additionally, the master is 10.8% and the grandmaster is 12%.

Neiloch · 10-25-2014, 02:27 AM

Raid wide would be nice. Would still motivate raid setups to get a swashbuckler. Trying to encourage more 'scout groups' might be a fine idea but this would make swashbucklers the linchpin imo.

Garavic · 10-26-2014, 12:38 AM

I wish I'd seen this first. I broke down and beta buffed from 98 to 100 hoping to get the master heh. Oh well. Can we expect to see this soon? We're not really gonna see the difference with the apprentice. In the meantime I'll try to track down someone to make the expert.

Also I would love for this to be raid wide as well. Regardless though we've lost our party tricks over the years so this is a nice addition, thanks.

Garavic · 10-26-2014, 01:30 AM

Or no...

Guess the recipes aren't in for it yet. Smile

Katanallama · 10-27-2014, 06:39 AM

tooltip aside, I uhh... Yea, got nothing.... Expect no snarky comment from me on this one :3

Bloodguts · 10-27-2014, 06:52 AM

The only thing I will say about this ability, is that I hope it's SoE's answer to make Swashbucklers more likable for raiding/heroics and not the answer to Scout CA's DPS in general. If it's for the latter then it would be really disappointing to have to depend on one class to be able to compete against all Mages on parses.

Ruckus · 10-27-2014, 08:37 AM

I was getting ready to make an Expert on my jeweler, only to find that it wasn't in the recipe book yet. Ended up blowing a bunch of 7 day research pots on beta just to GM it to 12%.

konofo · 10-27-2014, 04:31 PM

While I'm sure they appreciate the gesture, I have a hard time believing Swashbucklers were just half a Winds of Obol short of parity.

kono

Neiloch · 10-27-2014, 04:42 PM

For reference. (it doesnt work like winds of obol)

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Katanallama · 10-27-2014, 05:14 PM

It's half of 2/3rds of winds of obol BigGrin

Errrorr · 10-27-2014, 06:41 PM

1.2% x 0 = 0.

Kind of pointless fix imo with how pathetic scout CA's are currently. At least SK's may like it?

Should have given this ability to Coercers, and given Illu's a similar one that'd be less OP for mages/priests.

Neiloch · 10-27-2014, 07:25 PM

GM is 12% and it doesn't work the same as potency. If I had it for my last cruor kill it would give me about 500k DPS.

The ability is basically two birds with one stone. Tanks and scouts complaining they don't get as much usefulness/DPS out of their own abilities compared to other methods, swashbucklers are on serious hard times in terms of desirability. Thus Marauder's Vaunt.

Errrorr · 10-27-2014, 07:30 PM

Compared to how much you'd have gained by keeping something else other than a swashy in that scout group spot?

Only way I could really see it making much difference to swashbuckler raid spot likelihood is if you ran a Ranger/Assassin/Dirge/Swash/Brig/Mystic group really.

Katanallama · 10-27-2014, 07:31 PM

12% for grand master isn't too shabby, and fighter / scout only so it won't make us mage group biaches. Sure, we're hoping it's not the answer to fixing all scout CA's, but I'll feel somewhat useful in the OT group.

Given the bulk of what Swashies have been given since RoK, this is the first ability that doesn't have heavy strings attached, questionable benefit or is complete junk. Looking at you two, Sleight of Hand and Myth Buff! Prestige L / R are so-so, but it's pretty much "Either hope there are 6+ mobs or only 1 for the next 3-5 encounters, there is no middle ground" - some zones I almost never get full stacks of pirate's perception with the constant back and forth of AA swapping.

Will this make me drop the WDB / auto attack setup for the single target fights? Probably not, but it's a something.... Definitely a something.

Neiloch · 10-27-2014, 07:34 PM

That's why it would be nice to see it raid wide. Getting a swash in current raid setups would yield only a small benefit. Either 'scout DPS' groups would have to be assembled or they could more easily fit in with current raid set ups if it was just raid wide (but still restricted to fighters and scouts).

Even in its current state it would be at least be worth considering bringing a swash instead of a second brig if the case came up. I suspect this is the top goal for putting in this ability.

Errrorr · 10-27-2014, 07:42 PM

Raidwide would make it more beneficial, and could probably justify a raid spot if you had really good scouts.

I still think Swashies need something more though going forward, perhaps a more defensive orientated group buff with the idea that Brigs make you do more damage, Swashies stop you dying more. Perhaps % more healing received, or a warlock style ability to turn all those AoE's into single target abilities that do 2x the damage.

konofo · 10-27-2014, 07:55 PM

Sorry, I was thrown by the comparison to the Finisher effect, which I understand was changed back in March to apply as potency.

kono

Garavic · 10-29-2014, 11:45 PM

This is not persisting through death. I'm not sure if that's by design, but I am assuming no.

Xelgad · 10-30-2014, 12:38 AM

Bug. Sadness. Tragedy. Fixed.

Garavic · 10-30-2014, 12:40 AM

Thank you sir!

Bloodguts · 10-30-2014, 03:25 AM

I tested Marauder's Vaunt (Grandmaster) last night and spent some time with it today and the 12% CA boost it gives on a ranger or assassin is not much of a buff. on test dummy the parse only increased by 250k dps on an assassin and like almost 1 million dps on a raid boss.

Now, you might think that 1 million dps is a lot, but not really when other classes are doing double what an assassin can do!

10-24-2014, 11:35 PM	#2
Endymion Developer Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Buffrat said: ↑ “Isn't actually affecting tooltips, not sure it's working at all. Also the beta buffer gives you the apprentice level, Can we see the Master book?” It wouldn't show up in tooltips because of how it's applied (think The Finisher neck).

10-24-2014, 11:55 PM	#4
Buffrat Well-Known Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Endymion said: ↑ “It wouldn't show up in tooltips because of how it's applied (think The Finisher neck).” So if it's Finisher neck, does that mean it's additive with the assassin shadows endline that increases damage sub 30%? Is it also the same mechanic as the new bard endline that increases ability damage by 15%, making it additive with that too? And yeah, I think it should be raidwide. Groupwide however means that my new group is going to be Monk Dirge Assassin Brigand Swashbuckler Mystic.

10-25-2014, 12:30 AM	#5
Xelgad Developer Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Buffrat said: ↑ “So if it's Finisher neck, does that mean it's additive with the assassin shadows endline that increases damage sub 30%? Is it also the same mechanic as the new bard endline that increases ability damage by 15%, making it additive with that too?” Correct. It is additive with all effects like the assassin ability that increases ability damage below 30%. It is also the same with the new bard endline that you mentioned. They are all additive with each other and all use the same mechanic. EDIT: Additionally, the master is 10.8% and the grandmaster is 12%.

10-27-2014, 08:37 AM	#11
Ruckus Active Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 1	Garavic said: ↑ “Or no... Guess the recipes aren't in for it yet. ” I was getting ready to make an Expert on my jeweler, only to find that it wasn't in the recipe book yet. Ended up blowing a bunch of 7 day research pots on beta just to GM it to 12%.

10-27-2014, 07:30 PM	#17
Errrorr Well-Known Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Neiloch said: ↑ “GM is 12% and it doesn't work the same as potency. If I had it for my last cruor kill it would give me about 500k DPS.” Compared to how much you'd have gained by keeping something else other than a swashy in that scout group spot? Only way I could really see it making much difference to swashbuckler raid spot likelihood is if you ran a Ranger/Assassin/Dirge/Swash/Brig/Mystic group really.

10-24-2014, 11:32 PM	#1
Buffrat Well-Known Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Isn't actually affecting tooltips, not sure it's working at all. Also the beta buffer gives you the apprentice level, Can we see the Master book?

10-24-2014, 11:37 PM	#3
Tyman Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Might be asking for too much, but maybe make it raid wide?

10-25-2014, 02:27 AM	#6
Neiloch Well-Known Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Raid wide would be nice. Would still motivate raid setups to get a swashbuckler. Trying to encourage more 'scout groups' might be a fine idea but this would make swashbucklers the linchpin imo.

10-26-2014, 12:38 AM	#7
Garavic Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	I wish I'd seen this first. I broke down and beta buffed from 98 to 100 hoping to get the master heh. Oh well. Can we expect to see this soon? We're not really gonna see the difference with the apprentice. In the meantime I'll try to track down someone to make the expert. Also I would love for this to be raid wide as well. Regardless though we've lost our party tricks over the years so this is a nice addition, thanks.

10-26-2014, 01:30 AM	#8
Garavic Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Or no... Guess the recipes aren't in for it yet.

10-27-2014, 06:39 AM	#9
Katanallama Well-Known Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	tooltip aside, I uhh... Yea, got nothing.... Expect no snarky comment from me on this one :3

10-27-2014, 06:52 AM	#10
Bloodguts Active Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 2	The only thing I will say about this ability, is that I hope it's SoE's answer to make Swashbucklers more likable for raiding/heroics and not the answer to Scout CA's DPS in general. If it's for the latter then it would be really disappointing to have to depend on one class to be able to compete against all Mages on parses.

10-27-2014, 04:31 PM	#12
konofo Active Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	While I'm sure they appreciate the gesture, I have a hard time believing Swashbucklers were just half a Winds of Obol short of parity. kono

10-27-2014, 04:42 PM	#13
Neiloch Well-Known Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	For reference. (it doesnt work like winds of obol)

10-27-2014, 05:14 PM	#14
Katanallama Well-Known Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	It's half of 2/3rds of winds of obol

10-27-2014, 06:41 PM	#15
Errrorr Well-Known Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	1.2% x 0 = 0. Kind of pointless fix imo with how pathetic scout CA's are currently. At least SK's may like it? Should have given this ability to Coercers, and given Illu's a similar one that'd be less OP for mages/priests.

10-27-2014, 07:25 PM	#16
Neiloch Well-Known Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	GM is 12% and it doesn't work the same as potency. If I had it for my last cruor kill it would give me about 500k DPS. The ability is basically two birds with one stone. Tanks and scouts complaining they don't get as much usefulness/DPS out of their own abilities compared to other methods, swashbucklers are on serious hard times in terms of desirability. Thus Marauder's Vaunt.

10-27-2014, 07:31 PM	#18
Katanallama Well-Known Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	12% for grand master isn't too shabby, and fighter / scout only so it won't make us mage group biaches. Sure, we're hoping it's not the answer to fixing all scout CA's, but I'll feel somewhat useful in the OT group. Given the bulk of what Swashies have been given since RoK, this is the first ability that doesn't have heavy strings attached, questionable benefit or is complete junk. Looking at you two, Sleight of Hand and Myth Buff! Prestige L / R are so-so, but it's pretty much "Either hope there are 6+ mobs or only 1 for the next 3-5 encounters, there is no middle ground" - some zones I almost never get full stacks of pirate's perception with the constant back and forth of AA swapping. Will this make me drop the WDB / auto attack setup for the single target fights? Probably not, but it's a something.... Definitely a something.

10-27-2014, 07:34 PM	#19
Neiloch Well-Known Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Errrorr said: ↑ “Only way I could really see it making much difference to swashbuckler raid spot likelihood is if you ran a Ranger/Assassin/Dirge/Swash/Brig/Mystic group really.” That's why it would be nice to see it raid wide. Getting a swash in current raid setups would yield only a small benefit. Either 'scout DPS' groups would have to be assembled or they could more easily fit in with current raid set ups if it was just raid wide (but still restricted to fighters and scouts). Even in its current state it would be at least be worth considering bringing a swash instead of a second brig if the case came up. I suspect this is the top goal for putting in this ability.

10-27-2014, 07:42 PM	#20
Errrorr Well-Known Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Raidwide would make it more beneficial, and could probably justify a raid spot if you had really good scouts. I still think Swashies need something more though going forward, perhaps a more defensive orientated group buff with the idea that Brigs make you do more damage, Swashies stop you dying more. Perhaps % more healing received, or a warlock style ability to turn all those AoE's into single target abilities that do 2x the damage.

10-27-2014, 07:55 PM	#21
konofo Active Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Neiloch said: ↑ “For reference. (it doesnt work like winds of obol)” Sorry, I was thrown by the comparison to the Finisher effect, which I understand was changed back in March to apply as potency. kono

10-29-2014, 11:45 PM	#22
Garavic Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	This is not persisting through death. I'm not sure if that's by design, but I am assuming no.

10-30-2014, 12:38 AM	#23
Xelgad Developer Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Garavic said: ↑ “This is not persisting through death. I'm not sure if that's by design, but I am assuming no.” Bug. Sadness. Tragedy. Fixed.

10-30-2014, 12:40 AM	#24
Garavic Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	“Garavic said: ↑ “This is not persisting through death. I'm not sure if that's by design, but I am assuming no.” Bug. Sadness. Tragedy. Fixed.” Thank you sir!

10-30-2014, 03:25 AM	#25
Bloodguts Active Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 2	Xelgad said: ↑ “Bug. Sadness. Tragedy. Fixed.” I tested Marauder's Vaunt (Grandmaster) last night and spent some time with it today and the 12% CA boost it gives on a ranger or assassin is not much of a buff. on test dummy the parse only increased by 250k dps on an assassin and like almost 1 million dps on a raid boss. Now, you might think that 1 million dps is a lot, but not really when other classes are doing double what an assassin can do!