Chains of eternity - To expensive. - Page 3

Wingrider01 · 11-06-2012, 04:47 PM

CoLD MeTaL wrote:

$40/$60 is far too much for another 3 levels of grinding in Chelsith. Over scripted group zones, stair step gear reqs (instead of a steady slope). Server populations so low only crafters talk in public channels.
4 accounts/pre-orders canceled.
Thought i would be here til the lights got turned off, tbh. They turned a vibrant living breathing world into PAC-MAN.
No you can't have my plat. Enjoy your game.

never set foot in chelsith for "grinding" not worth the mind numbing repitition and boredoom. Did the levels grouping with friends and guild mates in different areas, will do the next 3 levels on all my levle 92 toons the exact same way. Not sure what server you are on but the public level channels are quite are quite active on my server though I tend to stay out of the 1 to 9 blather

Ulrichvon · 11-06-2012, 05:00 PM

Wingrider01 wrote:

Ulrichvon wrote:
My only complaint is $40 should include AoD.
Having to buy 2 xpacs to return to this game is way too much $$$.
the other popular game that just released a expansion does not include ANY of their previous expansions, so technically you are still ahead, if you where two behind on that game you need 80 to update - and you can;t skip expansions, to start anwer will run you close to 100 or more

That game is so popular they can get away with it. Not only that, there are so many people playing that game you can still play the game with other people even when you don't own the latest expansions.

Its not really a fair comparison.

Prior to SJ, you could buy the latest expansion and catch up at any time. Now that we have SJ, we try to nickle and dime instead.

faith · 11-06-2012, 08:37 PM

It amazes me that people still try and compare EQ2 to WOW chalk and cheese the games are one is played by millions and one isnt..thats the reason they can charge what they want to for xpacs.

But anyway to the main question do i think this expansion is too expensive? yes but to my mind ALL expanions should be roughly half the price of the current price of the base game,now it could be argued that EQ2 includes all other xpacs so maybe a little more than half.

Havent really played much becuase of the pro 7 nonsense so am i right in assuming this one is only avaliable from SOE to buy no box copies to be bought? if thats the case you cant even shop around for good deals etc so SOE have sort of cornered the market with this one i do hope that the Krono can be used to buy it,otherwise i'll just sit by fror awhile and wait for it to come down in price

Regolas · 11-06-2012, 09:34 PM

You can compare WoW and EQ2. Both fantasy MMORPGs, both released at similar times, etc etc. In my mind the only reason EQ2 is not as big as WoW is marketing. I see WoW in every game store in Europe and Australia, and I bet it's in all US stores too. Right at the front and a whole shelf of it. I have only seen one box of EQ2, a Sentinels Fate expansion box I think in a bargain bin. And that was when it was f2p anyway. EQ1 was slightly better, had the first couple of boxes in the UK, then dissapeared. The only reason I am playing EQ2 now is because I knew about it from my EQ1 days and wanted to compare it to my nostalgic memory of EQ1. Most people choose WoW because it's in their face to buy, then they try it and like it. If EQ2 was marketed at the same standard, I reckon you'd have half the WoW players playing EQ2 instead. Most games are around $40 these days when released. They're actually a lot more in Australia (like twice the price for new console games). I don't think it's an unreasonable figure but we'll see in a few months if it gets discounted.

SteelPiston · 11-06-2012, 11:01 PM

SONY has hardly spent a dollar on advertising since the WALKMAN. It's a corporate thing and not just SOE.

It is extremely poor at advertising everything it makes from TV's, Music Players, Games, Computers, Cameras and Phones. I don't remember seeing a SONY advert on TV since one for a PlayStation many months ago.

Regolas · 11-06-2012, 11:43 PM

To be honest NO ONE markets MMORPGS as well as WoW, and now they have the benefit of it (a large amount of money from subscriptions and loyalty), no one can touch them. Most people are loyal to one MMO, as it takes a lot of investment in making a character good. So once you've spent a weekend or a few months playing one, you're reluctant to give up on it to start a similar game.

Helmarf · 11-07-2012, 04:15 AM

Since the prosieben deal started which led to lots of player quiting or moved server, a lowered price or being able to buy it with kronos would be a good gesture from Soe.

Wingrider01 · 11-07-2012, 01:17 PM

Ulrichvon wrote:

Wingrider01 wrote:
Ulrichvon wrote:
My only complaint is $40 should include AoD.
Having to buy 2 xpacs to return to this game is way too much $$$.
the other popular game that just released a expansion does not include ANY of their previous expansions, so technically you are still ahead, if you where two behind on that game you need 80 to update - and you can;t skip expansions, to start anwer will run you close to 100 or more
That game is so popular they can get away with it. Not only that, there are so many people playing that game you can still play the game with other people even when you don't own the latest expansions.
Its not really a fair comparison.
Prior to SJ, you could buy the latest expansion and catch up at any time. Now that we have SJ, we try to nickle and dime instead.

how sure are you that I was talking about that game?

Prior to SJ it was not F2P, to many things have changed over the time period for you to compare intelligently. Bottom line - think it is to expensive then don;t buy it. Simple, straight forward and no issues. 40 bucks does not bother me, I know what payroll, benefits, utilities and all the othe minor things it takes to run a business that eat into the profit.

Wingrider01 · 11-07-2012, 01:18 PM

Helmarf wrote:

Since the prosieben deal started which led to lots of player quiting or moved server, a lowered price or being able to buy it with kronos would be a good gesture from Soe.

was under the impression you could but it with that

Wingrider01 · 11-07-2012, 01:22 PM

Regolas wrote:

You can compare WoW and EQ2. Both fantasy MMORPGs, both released at similar times, etc etc. In my mind the only reason EQ2 is not as big as WoW is marketing. I see WoW in every game store in Europe and Australia, and I bet it's in all US stores too. Right at the front and a whole shelf of it. I have only seen one box of EQ2, a Sentinels Fate expansion box I think in a bargain bin. And that was when it was f2p anyway. EQ1 was slightly better, had the first couple of boxes in the UK, then dissapeared. The only reason I am playing EQ2 now is because I knew about it from my EQ1 days and wanted to compare it to my nostalgic memory of EQ1. Most people choose WoW because it's in their face to buy, then they try it and like it. If EQ2 was marketed at the same standard, I reckon you'd have half the WoW players playing EQ2 instead. Most games are around $40 these days when released. They're actually a lot more in Australia (like twice the price for new console games). I don't think it's an unreasonable figure but we'll see in a few months if it gets discounted.

they are still losing players 300K in the 2nd quarter ending report, the loss has been constant since last year, unlike you have not seen the game in the places around here that sell game software, for the last expansion, the local stores where only carrying what was pre-ordered

Malvin · 11-07-2012, 07:46 PM

We finally have decided not to buy this expansion. For us to come back to the game it would cost us 80 dollars per account, that's 240 dollars plus 45 a month. I can easily pay all this, but there just isn't something right about having to pay 80 dollars per account just to return to the game. There is no game on the market today that sells for that much brand new and this game is what, 10 years old? Seriouslly Sony?

yohann koldheart · 11-07-2012, 08:39 PM

Malvin@Lucan DLere wrote:

We finally have decided not to buy this expansion. For us to come back to the game it would cost us 80 dollars per account, that's 240 dollars plus 45 a month. I can easily pay all this, but there just isn't something right about having to pay 80 dollars per account just to return to the game. There is no game on the market today that sells for that much brand new and this game is what, 10 years old? Seriouslly Sony?

i would cost you more per account to start playing wow, and the age of the game dont matter because the cost of producing the content is still there.

its not to expensive, its not a bad deal at all.

Regolas · 11-07-2012, 08:47 PM

You don't have to buy either to play. You also don't need to have 2 accounts. It's all choice. Are you at cap? If you're not, why not just pay a sub and come play till you get 90? Or not pay and play for free? If you decide you like it, and get to 90, then buy the xpac. You don't have to buy AoD at all, it's your choice if you'd like the things it provides. I'd expect AoD to drop in price soon anyway. Velious is $20 as it's not the most recent xpac, and soon AoD won't be either.

Malvin · 11-08-2012, 03:23 AM

yohann koldheart wrote:

Malvin@Lucan DLere wrote:
We finally have decided not to buy this expansion. For us to come back to the game it would cost us 80 dollars per account, that's 240 dollars plus 45 a month. I can easily pay all this, but there just isn't something right about having to pay 80 dollars per account just to return to the game. There is no game on the market today that sells for that much brand new and this game is what, 10 years old? Seriouslly Sony?
i would cost you more per account to start playing wow, and the age of the game dont matter because the cost of producing the content is still there.
its not to expensive, its not a bad deal at all.

I don't see what WoW has to do with it, and if WoW cost that much or more there is no way in hell I would ever play it. And you are telling me that 80 dollars is not to expensive when I can go out and buy the lastest and greatest tripple A game out there for 60 dollars?

Malleria · 11-08-2012, 03:30 AM

Malvin@Lucan DLere wrote:

I don't see what WoW has to do with it, and if WoW cost that much or more there is no way in hell I would ever play it. And you are telling me that 80 dollars is not to expensive when I can go out and buy the lastest and greatest tripple A game out there for 60 dollars?

When said latest and greater triple A game only provides *maaaaybe* 60hrs of gameplay? Yea, I'd say EQ2 is superb value for money.

Malvin · 11-08-2012, 03:33 AM

Regolas wrote:

You don't have to buy either to play. You also don't need to have 2 accounts. It's all choice. Are you at cap? If you're not, why not just pay a sub and come play till you get 90? Or not pay and play for free? If you decide you like it, and get to 90, then buy the xpac. You don't have to buy AoD at all, it's your choice if you'd like the things it provides. I'd expect AoD to drop in price soon anyway. Velious is $20 as it's not the most recent xpac, and soon AoD won't be either.

A couple things, yes I am somewhat at cap. To play the end game of EQ2 you will need AoD for reforging and the 20 extra AA. That's 40 bucks right there, obviously you need the real true expansion.. that's another 40. Note I'm looking to come back to the game, not start from the beginning. And I need 3 accounts because if mamma isn't happy, then nobody is happy. SMILEY

This entire thing though is a little shocking to me. Sony I think is making a huge mistake. When expansions like this come out your best chance to get people back into the game is right when the expansion is released. By coming up with a pricing schedule/model that is so bizzare like this you are pushing people away from the game. Maybe their strat is to gouge people now, then lower the price later.. but the later is the problem. If they change their pricing in 2 months after release I will give it a look.. but if the reviews are bad and people aren't happy.. then no way do I come back to the game. I'm not going to jump into stinky water.

Of course, if the expansion was priced correctly then I would jump into the water... and if it began to stink I would probably stick it out to see everything.. that's a good bit of monthly subscription money that they are loosing.

Just a note, I'm not really saying that the expansion is priced incorrectly, it's just when you combine it with the previous expansion which is required for a raider.. then you are looking at 80 dollars, that is way over the line.

faith · 11-08-2012, 10:58 AM

Regolas wrote:

To be honest NO ONE markets MMORPGS as well as WoW, and now they have the benefit of it (a large amount of money from subscriptions and loyalty), no one can touch them. Most people are loyal to one MMO, as it takes a lot of investment in making a character good. So once you've spent a weekend or a few months playing one, you're reluctant to give up on it to start a similar game.

And thats why you simply can not compare the 2 games,it was game over from day 1 WOW won and then came back to several victory laps Blizzard are marketing wizards and when you have a playerbase installed as large as that game has now you can charge what you want simple as that.

SOE should be pricing the game now as an alternative to other fantasy games other than WOW and pricing the xpacs accordingly tempt people in EQ2 is a brilliant game ive been here apart from this last months since 2007 once it hooks you its got you for life (unless of course SOE try to drive you away,still another story).

Still all about opinions isnt it?

Freejazzlive · 11-08-2012, 01:41 PM

Wingrider01 wrote:

You missed the 40.00 mark by 4 bucks for a 3 hour entertainment period that is over and done with, but you are not willing to spend 4 bucks more for something that is ever changing.

I could, if I'd chosen to, have missed the $40 mark by a much larger margin if I'd gone to a matinee, which is what I normally do. We only paid as much as we did because we both wanted to see Prometheus on a 3D screen.

As I said earlier, even at $40 there are other things I'd much rather buy than yet another EQ2 expac -- particularly one the details of which leave me utterly underwhelmed. It's not just a matter of cost, it's a matter of that much cost tied to a game I never even play any more, for an expansion that doesn't flip my switches at all. In fact, since I no longer play EQ2, the only reason I come to these forums at all is to see if anything has changed that might entice me to come back.

I should also point out that the memory of Prometheus is still with me, several months later, whereas I'm hard-pressed to remember anything I'd done in EQ2 over the last 6 months or so. With that in mind, yes, I think the $18 dollars each my older brother & I spent for Prometheus was a much better use of entertainment dollars. The other point I was making is that movie theater expenses are relative to where one lives, while the cost of an EQ2 expansion is not. IOW, just because either one of us spent $X at the theater is not an indication of what anyone else would, so using that as a comparison to CoE's fixed-cost-for-all is hardly analagous.

Wingrider01 · 11-08-2012, 04:57 PM

Freejazzlive wrote:

Wingrider01 wrote:
You missed the 40.00 mark by 4 bucks for a 3 hour entertainment period that is over and done with, but you are not willing to spend 4 bucks more for something that is ever changing.
I could, if I'd chosen to, have missed the $40 mark by a much larger margin if I'd gone to a matinee, which is what I normally do. We only paid as much as we did because we both wanted to see Prometheus on a 3D screen.
As I said earlier, even at $40 there are other things I'd much rather buy than yet another EQ2 expac -- particularly one the details of which leave me utterly underwhelmed. It's not just a matter of cost, it's a matter of that much cost tied to a game I never even play any more, for an expansion that doesn't flip my switches at all. In fact, since I no longer play EQ2, the only reason I come to these forums at all is to see if anything has changed that might entice me to come back.
I should also point out that the memory of Prometheus is still with me, several months later, whereas I'm hard-pressed to remember anything I'd done in EQ2 over the last 6 months or so. With that in mind, yes, I think the $18 dollars each my older brother & I spent for Prometheus was a much better use of entertainment dollars. The other point I was making is that movie theater expenses are relative to where one lives, while the cost of an EQ2 expansion is not. IOW, just because either one of us spent $X at the theater is not an indication of what anyone else would, so using that as a comparison to CoE's fixed-cost-for-all is hardly analagous.

not worth the discussion anymore, if you fee the movie was a better ROI then the expansion,then save the expansion cost for the net 3 hour movie that comes out.

Just boils down to your decision and outlook, personally do not thiink 40 is to much considering the various costs that are associated with a buiness that have to be included in the bottom line figure, not sure I uderstand your reasoning behindthe statement "fixed cost for all statement" or the context in how you use it. Been running a successful business for decades and have rarely seen a "fixed cost" for anything.

Bottom line - if the 40.00 is beyond the limit you want to spend, then don't spend it, simple as that. Already have all my accounts pre-ordered for the regualr exapnsion - see nothing worth having in the special edition so not need to buy that, but again, I see no problem with the cost for that one either.

Ulrichvon · 11-08-2012, 05:04 PM

Let me reiterate, and maybe this goes in the enticing returning players thread more than here.

CoE not containing AoD is a sizeable barrier to people potentially returning to the game, considering what exactly is in AoD in the first place makes it a particularly ugly proposal.

Magusrex · 11-08-2012, 06:51 PM

I agree...it is a a sizeable barrier....AoD should have its priced reduced once the xpac goes live AND it should be purchasable with station cash...Current xpacs should be the only thing paid for with real cash.

Koleg · 11-08-2012, 07:03 PM

Magusrex wrote:

I agree...it is a a sizeable barrier....AoD should have its priced reduced once the xpac goes live AND it should be purchasable with station cash...Current xpacs should be the only thing paid for with real cash.

The issue with AOD is that it is still usable by the F2P community for the Mercs equally as much as it is usable by the returning vets for endgame raiding for the reforging and +20 AA.

Matter of fact, EQ2 is quite a good deal with a F2P account and AOD sold separtely.

yohann koldheart · 11-08-2012, 07:14 PM

Magusrex wrote:

I agree...it is a a sizeable barrier....AoD should have its priced reduced once the xpac goes live AND it should be purchasable with station cash...Current xpacs should be the only thing paid for with real cash.

so you want them to drop the price and make it buyable with sc ? lol one of those two things wont happen.

the price will drop when CoE launches , thats pretty much a given.

they wont offer it for SC, especialy with them just having a trip sc event a few days ago.

Regolas · 11-08-2012, 08:47 PM

To Malvin, sorry I can't quote on my phone. You don't need AoD. You can sit on 300AA and not reforge. It doesn't break the game not having it. The last 20AA are pretty minimal upgrades and the reforger ain't that hot, although it has some value, especially for mages and priests. If you'd played recently you could have got AoD for as little as $6.66 when it was still available for SC 9 months ago (triple SC plus half price sale) or $20 when it was advertised half price 5 or 6 months ago. It all depends on how frequently you keep checking the offers, just like a retail store. You can buy a new release DVD for full price, or wait to have it discounted, but you may miss the sale time and it's back up to full price for a while. I am choosing to pay full price x 2 accounts to have my product at release. I didn't do that with AoD and got them for $20 and $6.66 each. I bought DoV for full price on one account, but paid $3.33 for DoV on my second account. What SOE does is nothing new to any retailer. It's the consumers choice. The ones that pay full price will feel cheated if it gets discounted soon after release due to poor take up, but that's a risk you take to have the product when you want it.

MindFury · 11-08-2012, 11:05 PM

Last night in game, I saw someone mention AOD price change for the 12th, that it was going to drop to $5, unsure if that's just for the day or what..but can anyone confirm/deny this for me please? I rather not buy the CE of COE if I have to pay full price for AOD when I never intended to buy AOD in the first place...If the price is going to drop to $5 for at least that day, then I would consider getting it, and the CE for COE..confirmation or denial of this would be greatly helpful in my decision of purchase.

thesiren · 11-09-2012, 12:47 PM

I preordered CoE for $29.99 but I'm All-Access. If you sign up as All Access you will get the same discount.

If you play for free, then why are you complaining about having to pay $40 for an expansion? SOE HAS to make a profit, and enough of one to continue operations, or none of us have a game to play. So forty bucks per expansion really isn't a lot if you're not even paying a sub.

In the aforementioned WoW, not only do you have to buy the base game plus Burning Crusade and Lich King and Cataclysm to even be able to buy the new Mists of Panderia expansion, but you also have to fork over a $15 a month sub fee besides.

Everquest 2, besides being far superior to WoW, is far less expensive to play. EQ2 is on its 9th expansion, and the first 7 are FREE, besides the few petty restrictions you have to deal with as a FREE player.

11-06-2012, 04:47 PM	#61
Wingrider01 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 5,999	CoLD MeTaL wrote: $40/$60 is far too much for another 3 levels of grinding in Chelsith. Over scripted group zones, stair step gear reqs (instead of a steady slope). Server populations so low only crafters talk in public channels. 4 accounts/pre-orders canceled. Thought i would be here til the lights got turned off, tbh. They turned a vibrant living breathing world into PAC-MAN. No you can't have my plat. Enjoy your game. never set foot in chelsith for "grinding" not worth the mind numbing repitition and boredoom. Did the levels grouping with friends and guild mates in different areas, will do the next 3 levels on all my levle 92 toons the exact same way. Not sure what server you are on but the public level channels are quite are quite active on my server though I tend to stay out of the 1 to 9 blather __________________ Fixing computer issues, one SOC7 at a time. Yes Jim, the user has experienced the dreaded PICNIC error

11-06-2012, 05:00 PM	#62
Ulrichvon Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 641	Wingrider01 wrote: Ulrichvon wrote: My only complaint is $40 should include AoD. Having to buy 2 xpacs to return to this game is way too much $$$. the other popular game that just released a expansion does not include ANY of their previous expansions, so technically you are still ahead, if you where two behind on that game you need 80 to update - and you can;t skip expansions, to start anwer will run you close to 100 or more That game is so popular they can get away with it. Not only that, there are so many people playing that game you can still play the game with other people even when you don't own the latest expansions. Its not really a fair comparison. Prior to SJ, you could buy the latest expansion and catch up at any time. Now that we have SJ, we try to nickle and dime instead. __________________ Hey, where's my random act of kindness?

11-06-2012, 11:01 PM	#65
SteelPiston Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 143	SONY has hardly spent a dollar on advertising since the WALKMAN. It's a corporate thing and not just SOE. It is extremely poor at advertising everything it makes from TV's, Music Players, Games, Computers, Cameras and Phones. I don't remember seeing a SONY advert on TV since one for a PlayStation many months ago. __________________ Deadraiser 92 Inquisitor - Freeport.

11-07-2012, 01:17 PM	#68
Wingrider01 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 5,999	Ulrichvon wrote: Wingrider01 wrote: Ulrichvon wrote: My only complaint is $40 should include AoD. Having to buy 2 xpacs to return to this game is way too much $$$. the other popular game that just released a expansion does not include ANY of their previous expansions, so technically you are still ahead, if you where two behind on that game you need 80 to update - and you can;t skip expansions, to start anwer will run you close to 100 or more That game is so popular they can get away with it. Not only that, there are so many people playing that game you can still play the game with other people even when you don't own the latest expansions. Its not really a fair comparison. Prior to SJ, you could buy the latest expansion and catch up at any time. Now that we have SJ, we try to nickle and dime instead. how sure are you that I was talking about that game? Prior to SJ it was not F2P, to many things have changed over the time period for you to compare intelligently. Bottom line - think it is to expensive then don;t buy it. Simple, straight forward and no issues. 40 bucks does not bother me, I know what payroll, benefits, utilities and all the othe minor things it takes to run a business that eat into the profit. __________________ Fixing computer issues, one SOC7 at a time. Yes Jim, the user has experienced the dreaded PICNIC error

11-07-2012, 01:18 PM	#69
Wingrider01 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 5,999	Helmarf wrote: Since the prosieben deal started which led to lots of player quiting or moved server, a lowered price or being able to buy it with kronos would be a good gesture from Soe. was under the impression you could but it with that __________________ Fixing computer issues, one SOC7 at a time. Yes Jim, the user has experienced the dreaded PICNIC error

11-06-2012, 08:37 PM	#63
faith Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 113	It amazes me that people still try and compare EQ2 to WOW chalk and cheese the games are one is played by millions and one isnt..thats the reason they can charge what they want to for xpacs. But anyway to the main question do i think this expansion is too expensive? yes but to my mind ALL expanions should be roughly half the price of the current price of the base game,now it could be argued that EQ2 includes all other xpacs so maybe a little more than half. Havent really played much becuase of the pro 7 nonsense so am i right in assuming this one is only avaliable from SOE to buy no box copies to be bought? if thats the case you cant even shop around for good deals etc so SOE have sort of cornered the market with this one i do hope that the Krono can be used to buy it,otherwise i'll just sit by fror awhile and wait for it to come down in price

11-06-2012, 09:34 PM	#64
Regolas Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 603	You can compare WoW and EQ2. Both fantasy MMORPGs, both released at similar times, etc etc. In my mind the only reason EQ2 is not as big as WoW is marketing. I see WoW in every game store in Europe and Australia, and I bet it's in all US stores too. Right at the front and a whole shelf of it. I have only seen one box of EQ2, a Sentinels Fate expansion box I think in a bargain bin. And that was when it was f2p anyway. EQ1 was slightly better, had the first couple of boxes in the UK, then dissapeared. The only reason I am playing EQ2 now is because I knew about it from my EQ1 days and wanted to compare it to my nostalgic memory of EQ1. Most people choose WoW because it's in their face to buy, then they try it and like it. If EQ2 was marketed at the same standard, I reckon you'd have half the WoW players playing EQ2 instead. Most games are around $40 these days when released. They're actually a lot more in Australia (like twice the price for new console games). I don't think it's an unreasonable figure but we'll see in a few months if it gets discounted.

11-06-2012, 11:43 PM	#66
Regolas Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 603	To be honest NO ONE markets MMORPGS as well as WoW, and now they have the benefit of it (a large amount of money from subscriptions and loyalty), no one can touch them. Most people are loyal to one MMO, as it takes a lot of investment in making a character good. So once you've spent a weekend or a few months playing one, you're reluctant to give up on it to start a similar game.

11-07-2012, 04:15 AM	#67
Helmarf Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 237	Since the prosieben deal started which led to lots of player quiting or moved server, a lowered price or being able to buy it with kronos would be a good gesture from Soe.

11-07-2012, 01:22 PM	#70
Wingrider01 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 5,999	Regolas wrote: You can compare WoW and EQ2. Both fantasy MMORPGs, both released at similar times, etc etc. In my mind the only reason EQ2 is not as big as WoW is marketing. I see WoW in every game store in Europe and Australia, and I bet it's in all US stores too. Right at the front and a whole shelf of it. I have only seen one box of EQ2, a Sentinels Fate expansion box I think in a bargain bin. And that was when it was f2p anyway. EQ1 was slightly better, had the first couple of boxes in the UK, then dissapeared. The only reason I am playing EQ2 now is because I knew about it from my EQ1 days and wanted to compare it to my nostalgic memory of EQ1. Most people choose WoW because it's in their face to buy, then they try it and like it. If EQ2 was marketed at the same standard, I reckon you'd have half the WoW players playing EQ2 instead. Most games are around $40 these days when released. They're actually a lot more in Australia (like twice the price for new console games). I don't think it's an unreasonable figure but we'll see in a few months if it gets discounted. they are still losing players 300K in the 2nd quarter ending report, the loss has been constant since last year, unlike you have not seen the game in the places around here that sell game software, for the last expansion, the local stores where only carrying what was pre-ordered __________________ Fixing computer issues, one SOC7 at a time. Yes Jim, the user has experienced the dreaded PICNIC error

11-07-2012, 07:46 PM	#71
Malvin Server: Lucan DLere Guild: Felwithe Freedom Fighters Rank: Leader Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 56	We finally have decided not to buy this expansion. For us to come back to the game it would cost us 80 dollars per account, that's 240 dollars plus 45 a month. I can easily pay all this, but there just isn't something right about having to pay 80 dollars per account just to return to the game. There is no game on the market today that sells for that much brand new and this game is what, 10 years old? Seriouslly Sony?

11-07-2012, 08:39 PM	#72
yohann koldheart Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: harrisburg,PA Posts: 1,601	Malvin@Lucan DLere wrote: We finally have decided not to buy this expansion. For us to come back to the game it would cost us 80 dollars per account, that's 240 dollars plus 45 a month. I can easily pay all this, but there just isn't something right about having to pay 80 dollars per account just to return to the game. There is no game on the market today that sells for that much brand new and this game is what, 10 years old? Seriouslly Sony? i would cost you more per account to start playing wow, and the age of the game dont matter because the cost of producing the content is still there. its not to expensive, its not a bad deal at all.

11-07-2012, 08:47 PM	#73
Regolas Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 603	You don't have to buy either to play. You also don't need to have 2 accounts. It's all choice. Are you at cap? If you're not, why not just pay a sub and come play till you get 90? Or not pay and play for free? If you decide you like it, and get to 90, then buy the xpac. You don't have to buy AoD at all, it's your choice if you'd like the things it provides. I'd expect AoD to drop in price soon anyway. Velious is $20 as it's not the most recent xpac, and soon AoD won't be either.

11-08-2012, 03:23 AM	#74
Malvin Server: Lucan DLere Guild: Felwithe Freedom Fighters Rank: Leader Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 56	yohann koldheart wrote: Malvin@Lucan DLere wrote: We finally have decided not to buy this expansion. For us to come back to the game it would cost us 80 dollars per account, that's 240 dollars plus 45 a month. I can easily pay all this, but there just isn't something right about having to pay 80 dollars per account just to return to the game. There is no game on the market today that sells for that much brand new and this game is what, 10 years old? Seriouslly Sony? i would cost you more per account to start playing wow, and the age of the game dont matter because the cost of producing the content is still there. its not to expensive, its not a bad deal at all. I don't see what WoW has to do with it, and if WoW cost that much or more there is no way in hell I would ever play it. And you are telling me that 80 dollars is not to expensive when I can go out and buy the lastest and greatest tripple A game out there for 60 dollars?

11-08-2012, 03:30 AM	#75
Malleria Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 163	Malvin@Lucan DLere wrote: I don't see what WoW has to do with it, and if WoW cost that much or more there is no way in hell I would ever play it. And you are telling me that 80 dollars is not to expensive when I can go out and buy the lastest and greatest tripple A game out there for 60 dollars? When said latest and greater triple A game only provides maaaaybe 60hrs of gameplay? Yea, I'd say EQ2 is superb value for money.

11-08-2012, 03:33 AM	#76
Malvin Server: Lucan DLere Guild: Felwithe Freedom Fighters Rank: Leader Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 56	Regolas wrote: You don't have to buy either to play. You also don't need to have 2 accounts. It's all choice. Are you at cap? If you're not, why not just pay a sub and come play till you get 90? Or not pay and play for free? If you decide you like it, and get to 90, then buy the xpac. You don't have to buy AoD at all, it's your choice if you'd like the things it provides. I'd expect AoD to drop in price soon anyway. Velious is $20 as it's not the most recent xpac, and soon AoD won't be either. A couple things, yes I am somewhat at cap. To play the end game of EQ2 you will need AoD for reforging and the 20 extra AA. That's 40 bucks right there, obviously you need the real true expansion.. that's another 40. Note I'm looking to come back to the game, not start from the beginning. And I need 3 accounts because if mamma isn't happy, then nobody is happy. This entire thing though is a little shocking to me. Sony I think is making a huge mistake. When expansions like this come out your best chance to get people back into the game is right when the expansion is released. By coming up with a pricing schedule/model that is so bizzare like this you are pushing people away from the game. Maybe their strat is to gouge people now, then lower the price later.. but the later is the problem. If they change their pricing in 2 months after release I will give it a look.. but if the reviews are bad and people aren't happy.. then no way do I come back to the game. I'm not going to jump into stinky water. Of course, if the expansion was priced correctly then I would jump into the water... and if it began to stink I would probably stick it out to see everything.. that's a good bit of monthly subscription money that they are loosing. Just a note, I'm not really saying that the expansion is priced incorrectly, it's just when you combine it with the previous expansion which is required for a raider.. then you are looking at 80 dollars, that is way over the line.

11-08-2012, 10:58 AM	#77
faith Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 113	Regolas wrote: To be honest NO ONE markets MMORPGS as well as WoW, and now they have the benefit of it (a large amount of money from subscriptions and loyalty), no one can touch them. Most people are loyal to one MMO, as it takes a lot of investment in making a character good. So once you've spent a weekend or a few months playing one, you're reluctant to give up on it to start a similar game. And thats why you simply can not compare the 2 games,it was game over from day 1 WOW won and then came back to several victory laps Blizzard are marketing wizards and when you have a playerbase installed as large as that game has now you can charge what you want simple as that. SOE should be pricing the game now as an alternative to other fantasy games other than WOW and pricing the xpacs accordingly tempt people in EQ2 is a brilliant game ive been here apart from this last months since 2007 once it hooks you its got you for life (unless of course SOE try to drive you away,still another story). Still all about opinions isnt it?

11-08-2012, 01:41 PM	#78
Freejazzlive Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Foster's Home For Imaginary Friends Posts: 704	Wingrider01 wrote: You missed the 40.00 mark by 4 bucks for a 3 hour entertainment period that is over and done with, but you are not willing to spend 4 bucks more for something that is ever changing. I could, if I'd chosen to, have missed the $40 mark by a much larger margin if I'd gone to a matinee, which is what I normally do. We only paid as much as we did because we both wanted to see Prometheus on a 3D screen. As I said earlier, even at $40 there are other things I'd much rather buy than yet another EQ2 expac -- particularly one the details of which leave me utterly underwhelmed. It's not just a matter of cost, it's a matter of that much cost tied to a game I never even play any more, for an expansion that doesn't flip my switches at all. In fact, since I no longer play EQ2, the only reason I come to these forums at all is to see if anything has changed that might entice me to come back. I should also point out that the memory of Prometheus is still with me, several months later, whereas I'm hard-pressed to remember anything I'd done in EQ2 over the last 6 months or so. With that in mind, yes, I think the $18 dollars each my older brother & I spent for Prometheus was a much better use of entertainment dollars. The other point I was making is that movie theater expenses are relative to where one lives, while the cost of an EQ2 expansion is not. IOW, just because either one of us spent $X at the theater is not an indication of what anyone else would, so using that as a comparison to CoE's fixed-cost-for-all is hardly analagous. __________________ Talechaser Tuckpaw, Troubadour of Freeport Golgi Apparati, Swashbuckler of Freeport Aheedi Adaephon, Warlock of Freeport

11-08-2012, 04:57 PM	#79
Wingrider01 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 5,999	Freejazzlive wrote: Wingrider01 wrote: You missed the 40.00 mark by 4 bucks for a 3 hour entertainment period that is over and done with, but you are not willing to spend 4 bucks more for something that is ever changing. I could, if I'd chosen to, have missed the $40 mark by a much larger margin if I'd gone to a matinee, which is what I normally do. We only paid as much as we did because we both wanted to see Prometheus on a 3D screen. As I said earlier, even at $40 there are other things I'd much rather buy than yet another EQ2 expac -- particularly one the details of which leave me utterly underwhelmed. It's not just a matter of cost, it's a matter of that much cost tied to a game I never even play any more, for an expansion that doesn't flip my switches at all. In fact, since I no longer play EQ2, the only reason I come to these forums at all is to see if anything has changed that might entice me to come back. I should also point out that the memory of Prometheus is still with me, several months later, whereas I'm hard-pressed to remember anything I'd done in EQ2 over the last 6 months or so. With that in mind, yes, I think the $18 dollars each my older brother & I spent for Prometheus was a much better use of entertainment dollars. The other point I was making is that movie theater expenses are relative to where one lives, while the cost of an EQ2 expansion is not. IOW, just because either one of us spent $X at the theater is not an indication of what anyone else would, so using that as a comparison to CoE's fixed-cost-for-all is hardly analagous. not worth the discussion anymore, if you fee the movie was a better ROI then the expansion,then save the expansion cost for the net 3 hour movie that comes out. Just boils down to your decision and outlook, personally do not thiink 40 is to much considering the various costs that are associated with a buiness that have to be included in the bottom line figure, not sure I uderstand your reasoning behindthe statement "fixed cost for all statement" or the context in how you use it. Been running a successful business for decades and have rarely seen a "fixed cost" for anything. Bottom line - if the 40.00 is beyond the limit you want to spend, then don't spend it, simple as that. Already have all my accounts pre-ordered for the regualr exapnsion - see nothing worth having in the special edition so not need to buy that, but again, I see no problem with the cost for that one either. __________________ Fixing computer issues, one SOC7 at a time. Yes Jim, the user has experienced the dreaded PICNIC error

11-08-2012, 05:04 PM	#80
Ulrichvon Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 641	Let me reiterate, and maybe this goes in the enticing returning players thread more than here. CoE not containing AoD is a sizeable barrier to people potentially returning to the game, considering what exactly is in AoD in the first place makes it a particularly ugly proposal. __________________ Hey, where's my random act of kindness?

11-08-2012, 06:51 PM	#81
Magusrex Lord Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 10	I agree...it is a a sizeable barrier....AoD should have its priced reduced once the xpac goes live AND it should be purchasable with station cash...Current xpacs should be the only thing paid for with real cash.

11-08-2012, 07:03 PM	#82
Koleg Server: Unrest_old Lord Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 713	Magusrex wrote: I agree...it is a a sizeable barrier....AoD should have its priced reduced once the xpac goes live AND it should be purchasable with station cash...Current xpacs should be the only thing paid for with real cash. The issue with AOD is that it is still usable by the F2P community for the Mercs equally as much as it is usable by the returning vets for endgame raiding for the reforging and +20 AA. Matter of fact, EQ2 is quite a good deal with a F2P account and AOD sold separtely.

11-08-2012, 07:14 PM	#83
yohann koldheart Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: harrisburg,PA Posts: 1,601	Magusrex wrote: I agree...it is a a sizeable barrier....AoD should have its priced reduced once the xpac goes live AND it should be purchasable with station cash...Current xpacs should be the only thing paid for with real cash. so you want them to drop the price and make it buyable with sc ? lol one of those two things wont happen. the price will drop when CoE launches , thats pretty much a given. they wont offer it for SC, especialy with them just having a trip sc event a few days ago.

11-08-2012, 08:47 PM	#84
Regolas Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 603	To Malvin, sorry I can't quote on my phone. You don't need AoD. You can sit on 300AA and not reforge. It doesn't break the game not having it. The last 20AA are pretty minimal upgrades and the reforger ain't that hot, although it has some value, especially for mages and priests. If you'd played recently you could have got AoD for as little as $6.66 when it was still available for SC 9 months ago (triple SC plus half price sale) or $20 when it was advertised half price 5 or 6 months ago. It all depends on how frequently you keep checking the offers, just like a retail store. You can buy a new release DVD for full price, or wait to have it discounted, but you may miss the sale time and it's back up to full price for a while. I am choosing to pay full price x 2 accounts to have my product at release. I didn't do that with AoD and got them for $20 and $6.66 each. I bought DoV for full price on one account, but paid $3.33 for DoV on my second account. What SOE does is nothing new to any retailer. It's the consumers choice. The ones that pay full price will feel cheated if it gets discounted soon after release due to poor take up, but that's a risk you take to have the product when you want it.

11-08-2012, 11:05 PM	#85
MindFury Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 95	Last night in game, I saw someone mention AOD price change for the 12th, that it was going to drop to $5, unsure if that's just for the day or what..but can anyone confirm/deny this for me please? I rather not buy the CE of COE if I have to pay full price for AOD when I never intended to buy AOD in the first place...If the price is going to drop to $5 for at least that day, then I would consider getting it, and the CE for COE..confirmation or denial of this would be greatly helpful in my decision of purchase.

11-09-2012, 12:47 PM	#86
thesiren Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 697	I preordered CoE for $29.99 but I'm All-Access. If you sign up as All Access you will get the same discount. If you play for free, then why are you complaining about having to pay $40 for an expansion? SOE HAS to make a profit, and enough of one to continue operations, or none of us have a game to play. So forty bucks per expansion really isn't a lot if you're not even paying a sub. In the aforementioned WoW, not only do you have to buy the base game plus Burning Crusade and Lich King and Cataclysm to even be able to buy the new Mists of Panderia expansion, but you also have to fork over a $15 a month sub fee besides. Everquest 2, besides being far superior to WoW, is far less expensive to play. EQ2 is on its 9th expansion, and the first 7 are FREE, besides the few petty restrictions you have to deal with as a FREE player.