No white shards from Sleepers Tomb

Mohee · 09-19-2012, 12:47 AM

How come?

Luhai · 09-19-2012, 02:50 AM

Yeah, I was thinking the same. They finally added white shards to the Skyshrine instances so it would be nice to see some white shards in ST, too.

Kander · 09-19-2012, 01:51 PM

This instance is linked to the storylines for Chains of Eternity. It will not have shards from Velious. It is 500 or 600 years in the past.

Lots of other instances to run to get shards.

Ulrichvon · 09-19-2012, 02:03 PM

Am I crazy, or did it not drop blue ones in the raid instance?

Mohee · 09-19-2012, 05:13 PM

The point is, nobody does those instances anymore...

Why can't velium shards exist back then? Pretty sure in Velious, velium has existed longer than 500 to 600 years ago.

COE storyline or not, it still seems like a velious zone to me!

Speaking of lore, if this zone is set to 500 or 600 years in the past, then that means this should be almost the exact same as Sleepers Tomb in EQ1 when it was released back in 2000. Since EQ2 is set 500 years after EQ1, and over 100 years have past in EQ2 already. The times match up, why are the warders level 110 in EQ2? Did they de-level 35 times in EQ1 instantly for some reason? I'd like this question of lore cleared up SMILEY thanks

Shanak85 · 09-20-2012, 04:32 AM

Since when has mob level had anything to do with lore?

tomsky · 09-20-2012, 08:12 AM

Keep it how it is without white shards for the following reasons:

a) The zone only drops jewelery and 1 possible weapon. People are still going to need to run Skyshrine Zones for faction/Armor.

b) It doesn't invalidate the Skyshrine zones instantly.

c) What Kander said.

swedago · 09-20-2012, 12:21 PM

Ulrichvon wrote:

Am I crazy, or did it not drop blue ones in the raid instance?

Yes, the blue shards drop from the raid version so thie Dev's comment makes no sense =P

Ulrichvon · 09-20-2012, 12:23 PM

swedago wrote:

Ulrichvon wrote:
Am I crazy, or did it not drop blue ones in the raid instance?
Yes, the blue shards drop from the raid version so thie Dev's comment makes no sense =P

Ok, yeah, thats why I thought. Seemed odd for him to give a 'lore' cop-out answer when the raid content is in direct conflict with his statements.

So add white shards to heroic, or remove blue shards from raid?

*Edited to remove commment that was deemed 'Trollish"*

Jrel · 09-21-2012, 09:22 AM

In the past? Make them "ancient" white shards then...

Seriously, it's a heroic instance. No reason not to have shards to encourage grouping.

Rainmare · 09-21-2012, 10:18 AM

or maybe it's becuase there's a LOT more group instances to get white shards then there are raid instances for blue shards?

lets see. white shards come from: 3 ToFS instances, 3 Rime instances, 3 Kael instances, 3 drunder instances, EoW, 4 SS instances. so basically for white shards right now you've got 17 places to go. and all of them resetable every 1.5 hours.

so for raid shards what do we got. Kael and Rime, which I think is one zone each. 3 SS zones, 3 Drunder, PoW, ToFS x2 and Drunder x2. in all these instances every named drops I think 2 shards. they all can only be done like what, once every 2-3 days? and now ST. so there's like 12 places to get blue shards. and it's not like you can run them several dozen times a day, either.

considering the lockout timers there's a TON of white shards to get easily and quickly. no need to add white shards to ST. as it gives everyone a reason to still do SS zones or DoV zones. which means all those folks that have been still leveling or getting thier aas to hit 92 may actually be able to get groups for the access questline in Skyshrine.

denmom · 09-21-2012, 11:52 PM

Kander wrote:

This instance is linked to the storylines for Chains of Eternity. It will not have shards from Velious. It is 500 or 600 years in the past.
Lots of other instances to run to get shards.

Hm...no shards from Velious which could also mean there will be shards just not from the Velious part of content. Given CoE is on the way, this zone is linked to it, so we'll get whatever "shards" are for CoE's gear.

Or so how it seems to me. SMILEY

Tylia · 09-22-2012, 09:51 AM

Rainmare@Oasis wrote:

or maybe it's becuase there's a LOT more group instances to get white shards then there are raid instances for blue shards?
lets see. white shards come from: 3 ToFS instances, 3 Rime instances, 3 Kael instances, 3 drunder instances, EoW, 4 SS instances. so basically for white shards right now you've got 17 places to go. and all of them resetable every 1.5 hours.
so for raid shards what do we got. Kael and Rime, which I think is one zone each. 3 SS zones, 3 Drunder, PoW, ToFS x2 and Drunder x2. in all these instances every named drops I think 2 shards. they all can only be done like what, once every 2-3 days? and now ST. so there's like 12 places to get blue shards. and it's not like you can run them several dozen times a day, either.
considering the lockout timers there's a TON of white shards to get easily and quickly. no need to add white shards to ST. as it gives everyone a reason to still do SS zones or DoV zones. which means all those folks that have been still leveling or getting thier aas to hit 92 may actually be able to get groups for the access questline in Skyshrine.

You can also get (if I remember correctly) 3 white shards in one run through Delving Dead in Sinking Sands, just by picking up the quests at the monolith when you first enter.

Davngr1 · 09-22-2012, 02:53 PM

you want shards?

run a zone that drops it. a dev has all ready posted that it's not a bug.

Mohee · 09-23-2012, 02:29 AM

swedago wrote:

Ulrichvon wrote:
Am I crazy, or did it not drop blue ones in the raid instance?
Yes, the blue shards drop from the raid version so thie Dev's comment makes no sense =P

Thanks! I didn't think about that at all!!!

Because of this, shouldn't SOE either add White Shards to ST Heroic, or Remove the blue shards from the raid version (if you want to keep your lore in check)

SMILEY

Ulrichvon · 09-24-2012, 03:31 PM

Mohee wrote:

swedago wrote:
Ulrichvon wrote:
Am I crazy, or did it not drop blue ones in the raid instance?
Yes, the blue shards drop from the raid version so thie Dev's comment makes no sense =P
Thanks! I didn't think about that at all!!!
Because of this, shouldn't SOE either add White Shards to ST Heroic, or Remove the blue shards from the raid version (if you want to keep your lore in check)

We should add, not only do they drop blue shards, but they drop more blue shards than other zones. The final kill rewards 5, and i'm not aware of any other zone giving that many.

I'm not sure how Kander's logic really holds up given the facts on the ground and the raid zone being setup exactly opposite to what he stated.

09-19-2012, 12:47 AM	#1
Mohee Lord Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 502	How come? __________________ EQ'ing since 1999

09-19-2012, 02:50 AM	#2
Luhai Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 679	Yeah, I was thinking the same. They finally added white shards to the Skyshrine instances so it would be nice to see some white shards in ST, too. __________________

09-19-2012, 01:51 PM	#3
Kander Game Dev Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 660	This instance is linked to the storylines for Chains of Eternity. It will not have shards from Velious. It is 500 or 600 years in the past. Lots of other instances to run to get shards. __________________ <img src="http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/7049/kandersignatureskyshrin.jpg">

09-19-2012, 02:03 PM	#4
Ulrichvon Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 641	Am I crazy, or did it not drop blue ones in the raid instance? __________________ Hey, where's my random act of kindness?

09-19-2012, 05:13 PM	#5
Mohee Lord Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 502	The point is, nobody does those instances anymore... Why can't velium shards exist back then? Pretty sure in Velious, velium has existed longer than 500 to 600 years ago. COE storyline or not, it still seems like a velious zone to me! Speaking of lore, if this zone is set to 500 or 600 years in the past, then that means this should be almost the exact same as Sleepers Tomb in EQ1 when it was released back in 2000. Since EQ2 is set 500 years after EQ1, and over 100 years have past in EQ2 already. The times match up, why are the warders level 110 in EQ2? Did they de-level 35 times in EQ1 instantly for some reason? I'd like this question of lore cleared up thanks __________________ EQ'ing since 1999

09-20-2012, 04:32 AM	#6
Shanak85 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 83	Since when has mob level had anything to do with lore? __________________

09-20-2012, 08:12 AM	#7
tomsky Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 97	Keep it how it is without white shards for the following reasons: a) The zone only drops jewelery and 1 possible weapon. People are still going to need to run Skyshrine Zones for faction/Armor. b) It doesn't invalidate the Skyshrine zones instantly. c) What Kander said. __________________

09-20-2012, 12:21 PM	#8
swedago Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 377	Ulrichvon wrote: Am I crazy, or did it not drop blue ones in the raid instance? Yes, the blue shards drop from the raid version so thie Dev's comment makes no sense =P __________________

09-20-2012, 12:23 PM	#9
Ulrichvon Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 641	swedago wrote: Ulrichvon wrote: Am I crazy, or did it not drop blue ones in the raid instance? Yes, the blue shards drop from the raid version so thie Dev's comment makes no sense =P Ok, yeah, thats why I thought. Seemed odd for him to give a 'lore' cop-out answer when the raid content is in direct conflict with his statements. So add white shards to heroic, or remove blue shards from raid? Edited to remove commment that was deemed 'Trollish" __________________ Hey, where's my random act of kindness?

09-21-2012, 09:22 AM	#10
Jrel Server: Butcherblock Guild: Blackstar Rising Rank: Senior Member Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 452	In the past? Make them "ancient" white shards then... Seriously, it's a heroic instance. No reason not to have shards to encourage grouping.

09-21-2012, 10:18 AM	#11
Rainmare Server: Oasis Guild: Pillage Rank: Captain Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,982	or maybe it's becuase there's a LOT more group instances to get white shards then there are raid instances for blue shards? lets see. white shards come from: 3 ToFS instances, 3 Rime instances, 3 Kael instances, 3 drunder instances, EoW, 4 SS instances. so basically for white shards right now you've got 17 places to go. and all of them resetable every 1.5 hours. so for raid shards what do we got. Kael and Rime, which I think is one zone each. 3 SS zones, 3 Drunder, PoW, ToFS x2 and Drunder x2. in all these instances every named drops I think 2 shards. they all can only be done like what, once every 2-3 days? and now ST. so there's like 12 places to get blue shards. and it's not like you can run them several dozen times a day, either. considering the lockout timers there's a TON of white shards to get easily and quickly. no need to add white shards to ST. as it gives everyone a reason to still do SS zones or DoV zones. which means all those folks that have been still leveling or getting thier aas to hit 92 may actually be able to get groups for the access questline in Skyshrine.

09-21-2012, 11:52 PM	#12
denmom Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Paradigm Clutch: Never shift reality without one... Posts: 2,490	Kander wrote: This instance is linked to the storylines for Chains of Eternity. It will not have shards from Velious. It is 500 or 600 years in the past. Lots of other instances to run to get shards. Hm...no shards from Velious which could also mean there will be shards just not from the Velious part of content. Given CoE is on the way, this zone is linked to it, so we'll get whatever "shards" are for CoE's gear. Or so how it seems to me. __________________ What I do when not playing EQ2: Paradigm Clutch

09-22-2012, 09:51 AM	#13
Tylia Server: Butcherblock Guild: Test of Time Rank: Member Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 757	Rainmare@Oasis wrote: or maybe it's becuase there's a LOT more group instances to get white shards then there are raid instances for blue shards? lets see. white shards come from: 3 ToFS instances, 3 Rime instances, 3 Kael instances, 3 drunder instances, EoW, 4 SS instances. so basically for white shards right now you've got 17 places to go. and all of them resetable every 1.5 hours. so for raid shards what do we got. Kael and Rime, which I think is one zone each. 3 SS zones, 3 Drunder, PoW, ToFS x2 and Drunder x2. in all these instances every named drops I think 2 shards. they all can only be done like what, once every 2-3 days? and now ST. so there's like 12 places to get blue shards. and it's not like you can run them several dozen times a day, either. considering the lockout timers there's a TON of white shards to get easily and quickly. no need to add white shards to ST. as it gives everyone a reason to still do SS zones or DoV zones. which means all those folks that have been still leveling or getting thier aas to hit 92 may actually be able to get groups for the access questline in Skyshrine. You can also get (if I remember correctly) 3 white shards in one run through Delving Dead in Sinking Sands, just by picking up the quests at the monolith when you first enter.

09-22-2012, 02:53 PM	#14
Davngr1 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,179	you want shards? run a zone that drops it. a dev has all ready posted that it's not a bug. __________________

09-23-2012, 02:29 AM	#15
Mohee Lord Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 502	swedago wrote: Ulrichvon wrote: Am I crazy, or did it not drop blue ones in the raid instance? Yes, the blue shards drop from the raid version so thie Dev's comment makes no sense =P Thanks! I didn't think about that at all!!! Because of this, shouldn't SOE either add White Shards to ST Heroic, or Remove the blue shards from the raid version (if you want to keep your lore in check) __________________ EQ'ing since 1999

09-24-2012, 03:31 PM	#16
Ulrichvon Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 641	Mohee wrote: swedago wrote: Ulrichvon wrote: Am I crazy, or did it not drop blue ones in the raid instance? Yes, the blue shards drop from the raid version so thie Dev's comment makes no sense =P Thanks! I didn't think about that at all!!! Because of this, shouldn't SOE either add White Shards to ST Heroic, or Remove the blue shards from the raid version (if you want to keep your lore in check) We should add, not only do they drop blue shards, but they drop more blue shards than other zones. The final kill rewards 5, and i'm not aware of any other zone giving that many. I'm not sure how Kander's logic really holds up given the facts on the ground and the raid zone being setup exactly opposite to what he stated. __________________ Hey, where's my random act of kindness?