Ammo Conservation?

[Seiffil]

Ponyts wrote:

Am i missing something on ammo? i've been using the rhenium broadhead arrows, i've tested them on epic target dummies and with just a auto shot i get around 110k dps. I just tested some field points and i'm getting around 50k dps auto shot?

Thanks in advance.

Yes, you're overvaluing the damage per hit, versus your actual hit rate.  Broadhead arrows carry a negative chance to hit. Rhenium broadhead arrows carry a negative 10% to hit, while field point give a +10% chance to hit.  20% swing in hit rates with your auto attack, which is especially noticable when fighting against a raid mob.

[Neiloch]

Ponyts wrote:

Am i missing something on ammo? i've been using the rhenium broadhead arrows, i've tested them on epic target dummies and with just a auto shot i get around 110k dps. I just tested some field points and i'm getting around 50k dps auto shot?

Thanks in advance.

Epic target dummy is a far cry from a normal mob, especially a raid one. Unless you fight blue/green con content most of the time broadhead and bodkin are going to yield less DPS than field point because of the hit rate, as Seiffil pointed out.

To put it simply if you are looking at JUST auto attack, ammo conservation(AC)+dragon arrows(DB) will do more DPS than CB+hand crafted(HC) arrows. Although this is completely neglecting that CB increases CA's damage. So, in a very vague theory, someone who either has horrendous equipment or just sucks at being a ranger would see more DPS out of AC+DB than CB+HC. SS raid gear should easily pull someone out of the 'horrendous equipment' category though.

[Regolas]

I've calculated via a spreadsheet (im an engineer, i love this shizzle), that you loose about 1500dps off your base autoattack for losing 20% cb. Without even factoring in CA damage loss. Seems to remain the same gap (ish) regardless of what cb level you are, but will be bigger if your weapon damage is greater and less if your weapon dmg is lower. Of course my numbers may be totally wrong but they look about right. Going from 200cb to 400 gives 1.6 x the dmg output.

[Koleg]

Ponyts wrote:

Am i missing something on ammo? i've been using the rhenium broadhead arrows, i've tested them on epic target dummies and with just a auto shot i get around 110k dps. I just tested some field points and i'm getting around 50k dps auto shot?

Thanks in advance.

ToHit rating and CA's a side, 60k DPS from RFP to RBA is very interesting since the only difference is a couple hundred damage.  Sounds like the formula to calculate damage remains a mystery, but certainly is not additive.

[Neiloch]

Arrow damage is added to the weapons damage outright in the persona window and /weaponstats. Both low and high end. For example when I equip a dragon bone arrow, compared to no ammo it adds roughly 532 damage to both my low and high end base damage of my bow.

[Koleg]

Neiloch@Butcherblock wrote:

Arrow damage is added to the weapons damage outright in the persona window and /weaponstats. Both low and high end. For example when I equip a dragon bone arrow, compared to no ammo it adds roughly 532 damage to both my low and high end base damage of my bow.

Just curious; if your Bow's high end is ~1500 w/ ~ 220 DPS rating, and you add a +500 arrow; you high-end is changes to 2000, what does that DPS rating change to?

[Twyxx]

Koleg@Unrest_old wrote:

Neiloch@Butcherblock wrote:

Arrow damage is added to the weapons damage outright in the persona window and /weaponstats. Both low and high end. For example when I equip a dragon bone arrow, compared to no ammo it adds roughly 532 damage to both my low and high end base damage of my bow.

Just curious; if your Bow's high end is ~1500 w/ ~ 220 DPS rating, and you add a +500 arrow; you high-end is changes to 2000, what does that DPS rating change to?

He's not saying it adds to the dmg rating.  On your char screen you can see the damage output before cb similar to hovering over a combat art.  That's where it is added.  So it's working like mod as I suggested.  Think my ballpark math still holds up here.  The more cb you have the more benefit you'll see, but with my cb of 372.9 (solo, more in raid/fight obv) it's about 4000 dps assuming I'm not getting stunned or delaying my auto more than .1 sec on avg (optimistic). 

As an example on Boar tonight I did 732k.  Say an extra 1k for the increased cb in raid.  The arrows diff between dragon bone and rhenium field point would be 5k or .6% of my parse.  Would I like to have it?  Sure.  Am I gonna pay 150 plat to fill my quiver for .6% of my parse?  No.  If you can get em free, great.  If not, meh, not a huge deal.

[Crychtonn]

If you don't have a Myth bow or equivalent the mastercrafted raid bow works well for saving arrows.  It has the same DR as the bow off Berrik and the same damage / group buff proc.  Blue stats are similar with Berrk bow being slightly higher.  The crafted bow has a second proc giving 50% ammo conservation.

As an assassin I don't range and use arrows as much as a ranger but after getting the crafted bow early on it was easy to see the difference in ammo use.  I'd guess that having both the bows ammo conservation proc plus the ranger myth buff ammo conservation rangers could significantly reduce ammo use without loosing CB adornments for ammo conservation adornments.