Arasai Heritage Armor (And Others..) - Iksar, uhmm....

[ChrissyFaey]

Most clothes made for female characters appears strange on Iksar on account of being designed with a bountiful chest in mind. I wished there could be some tweaking given to these outfits to look more natural on Iksar women ... but one in particular stands out as very, uh, unforgiving.

...Remarkably endowed lizard. Mmpff. It probably wouldn't look good if it were just plain flat, either, since it'd have two circles on the chest that basically advertise that breasts should go there but never will. Maybe if it were one solid piece or something? I don't know.

Edit: The new Shadewalker armor and most things with the female formal ensamble top design also look horribly wrong on female Iksar. Maybe if it were just a nice diamond shape over the chest instead of two separate indicated breasts...?

[shadowscale]

bothers me as well. quite a few of the new armors have this issue. and am guessing for froglok as well. seems like stoped makeing special modles for them to save time. *sigh* sarnak are lucky.

[Talathion]

Can't see images.

[Rijacki]

Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Can't see images.

And you just had to quote the full post so the images would display again for those of us who can see them.

I wonder if them being hosted at http://www.raven-mythic.com might be why you can't see them.

[Avirodar]

If you play a monster race, not everything is going to look "right", especially attire designed to be "revealing" for a body type which flat chested lizards do not have.If you don't like the way the way an appearance looks on your flat chested lizard, pick something different, there is a lot of options available. We have a useful dressing room option in EQ2, so there is no excuse in not knowing what it looks like, before you buy it.The more variables the art team has to deal with, when creating armor, the less we will get.

[ChrissyFaey]

They could easily give the male variant of the corset-style clothing (second image), which looks tolerable on Female Iksar, if horrible on males. There is nothing wrong with wanting equal support for the character race that I, and others, play. Most of the clothes are taking theses appearances lately in marketplace.  It shouldn't look so weird and off just to see the shoulders of a character!

And yes, Talathion cannot see the images because he's banned for griefing on that site. Whoops!

[shadowscale]

Avirodar@Oasis wrote:

If you play a monster race, not everything is going to look "right", especially attire designed to be "revealing" for a body type which flat chested lizards do not have.If you don't like the way the way an appearance looks on your flat chested lizard, pick something different, there is a lot of options available. We have a useful dressing room option in EQ2, so there is no excuse in not knowing what it looks like, before you buy it.The more variables the art team has to deal with, when creating armor, the less we will get.

sooo never able to use newer armor, got it. becaus this seems to be the trend with all new armor. would be really sad if iksar heratige armor had this issue... should just set up iksar like they did sarnak. then no issues.

[Avirodar]

shadowscale wrote:

Avirodar@Oasis wrote:

If you play a monster race, not everything is going to look "right", especially attire designed to be "revealing" for a body type which flat chested lizards do not have.If you don't like the way the way an appearance looks on your flat chested lizard, pick something different, there is a lot of options available. We have a useful dressing room option in EQ2, so there is no excuse in not knowing what it looks like, before you buy it.The more variables the art team has to deal with, when creating armor, the less we will get.

sooo never able to use newer armor, got it. becaus this seems to be the trend with all new armor. would be really sad if iksar heratige armor had this issue... should just set up iksar like they did sarnak. then no issues.

Which part of "there is a lot of options available" was difficult to understand? Plenty of the new DoVpt2 armor looks perfectly fine on Iksar female characters. Your claim that you would never be able to use newer armor, is grossly misleading, and baseless.In case you missed it the first time, I will state it again... If you pick a flat chested lizard, you risk the chance that attire designed to flaunt the more curvy nature of other races, may not be very flattering. No one makes you wear it, and there is a lot of alternative options at your disposal, including plenty of new stuff.Not enough people in EQ2 play female Iksar, to warrant the extra effort that would be required to modify armor just for them. If SOE made female Iksars wear the same as male Iksars, people would complain about that too. The only real solution for this, is play another race, or just take it for what it is, and be happy.

[ChrissyFaey]

Minorities have rights too.  If the game offers the race, then they should offer support for it.

Stop being so negative. There's no reason we can't all try to get what we want out of this game.

[ChrissyFaey]

You're strangely vicious regarding cosmetic issues.

Anyhow. <3 I hope Covic gets a look at this. He's been great in helping fix other fashion quirks in this game.  There's a lot of us female Iksar on Antonia Bayle and we'd appreciate it!

[Avirodar]

ChrissyFaey wrote:

You're strangely vicious regarding cosmetic issues.

Who tried pulling the "minorities have rights" card? Me, or you?Beyond that, you're asking SOE to make attire with 3 variations for every piece that may have a graphic that does not flatter the flat chested lizards. Compare:1) Male version2) Female versionvs1) Male version2) Female version3) Iksar Female versionGuess which option will require more time, effort, and resources? It is not worth the effort by SOE, for the sake of a small handful of Iksar females on AB, who might wear a particular outfit for a brief time, before moving onto the next outfit.SOE's art team is best off spending their time making new stuff for everyone (including female iksars) to access.

[ChrissyFaey]

Avirodar@Oasis wrote:

ChrissyFaey wrote:

You're strangely vicious regarding cosmetic issues.

Who tried pulling the "minorities have rights" card? Me, or you?Beyond that, you're asking SOE to make attire with 3 variations for every piece that may have a graphic that does not flatter the flat chested lizards. Compare:1) Male version2) Female versionvs1) Male version2) Female version3) Iksar Female versionGuess which option will require more time, effort, and resources? It is not worth the effort by SOE, for the sake of a small handful of Iksar females on AB, who might wear a particular outfit for a brief time, before moving onto the next outfit.SOE's art team is best off spending their time making stuff for everyone (including female iksars) to access.

That's cute. You must have completely failed to read where I suggested that the male version of the corset top from the Ashenweave would look fine on female Iksar in this instance.

They fixed corset tops for Kerra in earlier threads.They fixed tails for Ratonga.Iksar female tails are pretty horrible in cloaks, so maybe I should make a thread for that too... Kinda awful that they get shoved up their bottom every time they equipped a cloak.They are using the same pattern for many of these female outfits. They would only have to make -one- that looks decent on female Iksar, and just reuse that design for all others. It's not the monumental work that you seem to make it out to be.

[Avirodar]

ChrissyFaey wrote:

That's cute. You must have completely failed to read where I suggested that the male version of the corset top from the Ashenweave would look fine on female Iksar in this instance.

Re-quoting myself from earlier in this very thread, because you must have missed it:

Avirodar@Oasis wrote:

If SOE made female Iksars wear the same as male Iksars, people would complain about that too. The only real solution for this, is play another race, or just take it for what it is, and be happy.

Thanks for calling me cute!

[ChrissyFaey]

I said for that particular top. That statement is correct since it looks better than the current female one.

Though it would be nice if female Iksar were given the male version of all gi, too. Those look significantly better. =)

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[Avirodar]

ChrissyFaey wrote:

I said for that particular top. That statement is correct since it looks better than the current female one.

Though it would be nice if female Iksar were given the male version of all gi, too. Those look significantly better. =)

What would happen if your idea was implemented... And one iksar female expressed discontent at the change, because they preferred the female gi graphic? They could go on to complain about how they feel gender-discriminated, due to being forced to wear male attire as a female character.We end up back at where we started.The real solution is: If you don't like it, look for something else. EQ2 has a lot of options available. If an outfit or racial trait is actually glitched or bugged, report it, but that is a whole seperate ball-game to disliking a print pattern.

[Shizouka]

Hmm, tricky.

Some people want iksar cleavage, others not. Its probably for the best ICly that they don't since they are reptiles.

Not really sure why people have to get so itchy about it. ^o.o^

[shadowscale]

Shizouka wrote:

Hmm, tricky.

Some people want iksar cleavage, others not. Its probably for the best ICly that they don't since they are reptiles.

Not really sure why people have to get so itchy about it. ^o.o^

dont really have cleavages reguardless of how the armor makes it seem, its why it looks akward becaus they are still flat chested where any scale shows.

[Arbreth]

*waves*

Another AB player with a female Iksar here, even if my compatriots here do not see her often.

It would be nice if the armor fit the body rather than hang there empty, and I too think that the male corsets look silly on the males and should be keyed for the females.  For that matter... why not make anything worn by either sex?  No more male/female designation, let us chose which pieces to wear regardless of sex?

[Avirodar]

Arbreth wrote:

*waves*

Another AB player with a female Iksar here, even if my compatriots here do not see her often.

It would be nice if the armor fit the body rather than hang there empty, and I too think that the male corsets look silly on the males and should be keyed for the females.  For that matter... why not make anything worn by either sex?  No more male/female designation, let us chose which pieces to wear regardless of sex?

Your post was clearly made with the best of intentions, but I ask you this...I have a gi on my (male) monk. The gi, is little more than a white pair of pants, and some kind of small sleeve thing on the arms. Everything else, is bare skin. Numerous gi's have this appearance style. You are asking for female characters to be able to wear exact same gi's, as they appear on male characters... You do realise, that you are asking for bare-chested women to be running around Norrath? Like I said, your idea is clearly made with the best of intentions, but there are some problems with your idea that you may have overlooked. I can not say it would be a terribly immersive RPG experience for me if I was seeing male orges running around in frilly pink dresses with C cup proportions. Nor would an Age of Conan parade of bare chested women add to the Norrathian gameplay. Making everything available to everyone is not always the best idea...There is no "quick fix". Doubling the workload of the art department is not practical (to satisfy a small handful of Iksars). Adjusting and fixing the countless outfit styles to cater to cross dressing is... not the type of game SOE wants EQ2 to be. While it is a shame that one of the most unique races in EQ2 is not flattered by every single outfit in the game, there comes a point where one has to ask, what is practical?

[ChrissyFaey]

Here is my proposal for the corset-style tops that look awkward on female Iksar. It would be a matter of making it once or twice and then just retexturing - as most things tend to be done. Thank you!

Instead of...

[covic]

ChrissyFaey wrote:

You're strangely vicious regarding cosmetic issues.

Anyhow. <3 I hope Covic gets a look at this. He's been great in helping fix other fashion quirks in this game.  There's a lot of us female Iksar on Antonia Bayle and we'd appreciate it!

Oh man giving me praise is an easy way to get me to do extra work.  Next thing I know Iam working overtime, dont do it. haha.

Well to discuss the look of Iksar and Sarnak difference.  They are both reptiles so in reality I quess would lay eggs and never breast feed like a mammal.  Iksars were designed as a player race way back and Sarnak came out during expantion 4 I think.  So thought process would have been different.  If designing an Iksar female now I would have them wearing none breast shapped armor, but making big changes to player characters that people have enjoyed for so long and have become attached to is never really a great idea.  Also making two types of armor to support one gender of race creates a lot of work, then it also becomes "Hey you do this for Iksar females why not my ...(place any other character here.)" Now we are looking at a huge new workload. 

Overall I can see the concern and some good points, but as of right now there are no plans to change the basic structure of Female Iksars

Dave

[Marnus]

I wish i could find the screenshots of the Iksar females i made in eq1-i realize they are 2 different games, but i thought they did a great job with their armor in that game, and i realize its probably a low priority, but maybe they could get some good ideas by looking at the iksar female armor in eq1?. The plate look looked a bit clunky, but my female iksar monk in that game had a cool harness thing going on

[shadowscale]

Avirodar@Oasis wrote:

Arbreth wrote:

*waves*

Another AB player with a female Iksar here, even if my compatriots here do not see her often.

It would be nice if the armor fit the body rather than hang there empty, and I too think that the male corsets look silly on the males and should be keyed for the females.  For that matter... why not make anything worn by either sex?  No more male/female designation, let us chose which pieces to wear regardless of sex?

Your post was clearly made with the best of intentions, but I ask you this...I have a gi on my (male) monk. The gi, is little more than a white pair of pants, and some kind of small sleeve thing on the arms. Everything else, is bare skin. Numerous gi's have this appearance style. You are asking for female characters to be able to wear exact same gi's, as they appear on male characters... You do realise, that you are asking for bare-chested women to be running around Norrath? Like I said, your idea is clearly made with the best of intentions, but there are some problems with your idea that you may have overlooked. I can not say it would be a terribly immersive RPG experience for me if I was seeing male orges running around in frilly pink dresses with C cup proportions. Nor would an Age of Conan parade of bare chested women add to the Norrathian gameplay. Making everything available to everyone is not always the best idea...There is no "quick fix". Doubling the workload of the art department is not practical (to satisfy a small handful of Iksars). Adjusting and fixing the countless outfit styles to cater to cross dressing is... not the type of game SOE wants EQ2 to be. While it is a shame that one of the most unique races in EQ2 is not flattered by every single outfit in the game, there comes a point where one has to ask, what is practical?

actualy.... the female sarnak can go topless. use the male armor moddles for some of the armors. i call that a good quick fix if could be applyed to iksar as well.

[shadowscale]

covic wrote:

ChrissyFaey wrote:

You're strangely vicious regarding cosmetic issues.

Anyhow. <3 I hope Covic gets a look at this. He's been great in helping fix other fashion quirks in this game.  There's a lot of us female Iksar on Antonia Bayle and we'd appreciate it!

Oh man giving me praise is an easy way to get me to do extra work.  Next thing I know Iam working overtime, dont do it. haha.

Well to discuss the look of Iksar and Sarnak difference.  They are both reptiles so in reality I quess would lay eggs and never breast feed like a mammal.  Iksars were designed as a player race way back and Sarnak came out during expantion 4 I think.  So thought process would have been different.  If designing an Iksar female now I would have them wearing none breast shapped armor, but making big changes to player characters that people have enjoyed for so long and have become attached to is never really a great idea.  Also making two types of armor to support one gender of race creates a lot of work, then it also becomes "Hey you do this for Iksar females why not my ...(place any other character here.)" Now we are looking at a huge new workload. 

Overall I can see the concern and some good points, but as of right now there are no plans to change the basic structure of Female Iksars

Dave

cant just flip them to the male armor set like with the sarnak? they dont exactly have special armor for the female. but do have a point about the time thing. but was just recently they started ending up with more curves.

[Finora]

Avirodar@Oasis wrote:

ChrissyFaey wrote:

I said for that particular top. That statement is correct since it looks better than the current female one.

Though it would be nice if female Iksar were given the male version of all gi, too. Those look significantly better. =)

What would happen if your idea was implemented... And one iksar female expressed discontent at the change, because they preferred the female gi graphic? They could go on to complain about how they feel gender-discriminated, due to being forced to wear male attire as a female character.We end up back at where we started.The real solution is: If you don't like it, look for something else. EQ2 has a lot of options available. If an outfit or racial trait is actually glitched or bugged, report it, but that is a whole seperate ball-game to disliking a print pattern.

Oh I'd be pretty peeved if they made the gi I bought my female iksar look like a male iksar's gi. I bought it specifically because of how it looked.

There is a huge variety of gear available out there. There is some gear that looks better on some races/sexes than others. It's always been that way. Gear with the massive shoulderpads tends to look pretty stupid (IMO) on most females of any race.

What would be good is if in the future the concerns expressed here could be addressed on newly made armor sets/pieces. What I think would be if the sets that have a seperate chest piece that would traditionally differ drastically for males & females include both & male chestplates that are 'male only' also be equipable by female frogloks, iksar & sarnak  if they wish and vice versus for female sarnak being able to equip a female version of things. I actually dislike that my female sarnak is always forced into the male versions.

[Rijacki]

Finora@Everfrost wrote:

 I actually dislike that my female sarnak is always forced into the male versions.

Ditto. It's actually one reason I changed the race of my Sarnak, I kept thinking of her as he and it just got to me after a while.

[Zeedlana]

I must be weird, because my little lady Sarnak loves running around without having to worry about a shirt. How else would people get to admire her purple and green scales?

People do realize that males and females have completely different facial spikes and horns to tell each othe apart and all that right? Or is it just me?

As for the other stuff....I think the male corset look is just plain silly with some of these newer outfits. I don't always like the look of certain ones on my female toons either, hence I don't wear them.

And my crazy decorator lizard would be rather put out if her red dress were to suddenly look like that green example posted earlier. She happens to like the scoopy neckline even if she doesn't have those annoying mammal glands sticking out of her chest.

Thankfully there's plenty of stuff to be had in this game depending on how you want to dress your toons up.

[Avirodar]

Striothia@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Ah Avirodar the typical "My opinion is more important than your opinion even thought I'm a minority of one and cannot speak for anyone other then myself cyber bully."

Guess what, add another name to the list of people that would like to eventually see it addressed. It's been brought up now and then over the years but everyone has every right to voice their opinion and desires. It is then the customer relations and development team to decide what is most needed and desired by the community and what to expend their efforts on. 

In other words NOT YOU Avirodar. Just because something is posted as a suggestion doesn't mean it has to be done immediately. It's a suggestion, so take your cyber rage superior then thou I speak for everyone attitude and take a hike. If you didn't want it changed then just say so and move on. But it's obvious you are here to pick a fight with those that choose to play a 'Monster race' in your own words. 

covic wrote:

Also making two types of armor to support one gender of race creates a lot of work, then it also becomes "Hey you do this for Iksar females why not my ...(place any other character here.)" Now we are looking at a huge new workload.but as of right now there are no plans to change the basic structure of Female Iksars

So, it would seem the priority is making efficient use of time and resources. When the change request is far from unanimous (evidence in this very thread), the case against the change is solidified. Creating a problem for some people, to make other people happy, solves what? It was nice to read Covic's reply, to find my opinion was right on the money.Have a nice day, Striothia.