Handcrafted Items should be Transmutable

[Zivgar]

Kuulei wrote:

Zivgar wrote:

Wullailduo@Splitpaw wrote:

mentor down to level 5 , go to a newbie zone (TD is my favourite) , mass slaughter , loot , transmute..

 

Doesn't take long to get out of Tier 1-3 this way.

 

I guess I should add this point in. I have 4 max level adorners, I have a 48 wizard who is a 90 sage at 250 skill transmuter. I have a couple other characters in the mid to high 20's with about 50 transmuting skill. I have serveral more characters with only 5 transmuting skill.

Though I appreciate people trying to help me out to level up my transmuting I have heard most of these allready. In fact TD and Halas are the two spots I start out at.  It is great that people are saying all these different ways to get transmuting up. My idea just gives one more way, why is getting more choice a bad idea? Can any one explain this to me?

Even with my idea I still think mass slaughter would still be the best way, but if you get bored of that and just need to get a couple points more, don't know where to get transmuting skill items, then why not be able to craft a couple HC items to get those last few points? I don't see how this is a bad thing. Please some one explain it to me other than that is changes the mechanics. Mechanics change all the time this is nothing new.

So Wull, before you posted that with my idea the market would be flooded with manas and I replied to post showing you that would not be the case because you would lose a lot of plat doing that.  Several people on here have agreed with me on that point that nobody converts fragments to manas. You didn't reply to what I said, so should I assume that this is no longer a concern about my idea, since you have said no further comments about it?

Let me reiterate. As a crafter, you already have an advantage! You can whip out a few mastercrafted items to transmute for skill-ups or a few more materials!

I addressed this in my post above, but just to add, you can only get fragments and powders from MC items and powders and infusions from CA/spells(Only 1/3 of the crafters can makes these, plus sages and alchemist can only make CA/spells that use typically the most expensive of the rares). But how do ppl get these rares? Either buy it or farm it. That is the same as the adventurer, buy it or farm it. So I see no advantage here.

I don't think you're understanding that ANYONE can transmute. So those that don't craft and transmute HAVE TO 'farm' drops for transmuting. 

What have I said that made you think I don't understand that anyone can transmute? Post that quote for me. My whole idea is based on that anyone can transmute, so lets give everyone a fair chance at leveling it up by giving more choices.

As an adventurer the fastest way to level up is to kill a bunch of mobs, doing quests help too. Killing mobs/names drops loots (aka farm), quests gives rewards that is either not an upgrade (transmute it) or is an upgrade (transmute the old piece). So basically what you are saying is that when an adventurer is doing what they do, gain AA xp and adventure xp, they will get drops, which they can transmute. So doing the thing that will give the adventurer the fastest xp gains, gives them items which to transmute. So I don't understand your agrument about adventurers have to farm drops for transmuting. Adventurers adventure, they kinda have to farm things to gain levels or they would just be level 1.

As a crafter the fastest way to level is via Rush Orders. You get no items from this just some money for completing the quest. So with my idea you would have to do a slower means of leveling to make items to transmute. Thats not a bad thing at least you can get some Tradeskill xp, but at the cost of fuel. I know you can do this currently with MC items, but has anyone ever went from level 5 to 435 by just making MC items? You would need well over 430 rares. That is not a viable options.

The only viable option under the current system is for a crafter to become an adventurer and farm loot drops. I don't think that should be the system. I don't see the harm in allowing crafters to do what they do and craft with a more viable option than MC items, plus you would only get fragments from it.

Just looking at that perspective, it would be an unfair advantage over adventurer-only transmuters who don't craft. 

I think it is unfair that a crafter has to do adventure things to level a skill that creates materials for a crafting class. With my idea a crafter would just get fragments from HC items, so you would have to find another source of powders, infusions, or manas. (Unless you are a scholar (powders as common, infusions as uncommon) you can only get powders via MC items and that is the uncommon reward).

As I see it, if you're an adventurer and crafter, you have the best of both!

I agree since there is only 2 things you can be in EQ2, you are able to do everything. So let the crafter craft, the adventurer adventure and allow transmuting, a skill that everyone can use, get a viable way to gain skill ups by either types. I say Equality for all!!! More options is always a better thing.

Sorry Kuulei, I should have adressed what you said better than just who has the better advantage. Comments in Red

[Oakum]

This is a very bad idea for the botters out there mentoring down or lvl locking and starting their autokill and loot programs or harvesting programs so they can farm for mute trash out of business. We cannot have that now, we need them driving up prices of the lvl 5 items on the broker that new players at that are lvl 5 cant afford.   They may switch to just running their crafting bot accounts all the time rather then just half the time then and really overflood the market with. That would be bad for the crafting market over all.

[Meirril]

Zivgar wrote:

Meirril wrote:

Hmm...so by this logic...

Breaking down 1 void powder to 7 fragments costs 1 areated water and...5 fuel?

So 7g fuel + 30g void powder = 37g costs for 40g fragment x 7 = 280g - 37g materials cost = 243g profit from 1 combine.

Stop ignoring the down convert recipe please.

Meirril I am glad you brought this up.

Let us use your example but look at it in another way. You stated to convert 1 void powder into 7 Underfoot fragments would cost 37gp (well you got the 30gp from my example, but that doesn't matter) 

So basically you spent 5gp 28sp per fragment, but the current market price on the broker for an Underfoot Fragment is between 30gp and 40gp. So why would any one ever buy the Underfoot Fragments on the broker when you could just buy a void powder and convert it to 7 Underfoot Fragments. 

I'll try and give a couple reasons, some one can not do that convertion, so they buy the components to have an adorner make the item for them. They don't care about paying essentially 7 times more for a Fragment than if you down converted a Void Powder. That is something I will never do, but it comes back to one of my major points: Its all about more choices. 

So this is something I currently do with the voids that I transmute (I don't buy or sell them since I have 4 90+ that I want to be fully adorned).

My point here is again I feel because the supply of fragments is so low since giving another option will help that supply so the prices reflect the other 3 components. If Void Powders cost around 30gp to 75gp then Underfoot fragments should cost around 3gp to 7gp 50sp, but it is currently around 30gp to 40gp because the supply is so low. Why do you guys who are against my idea want to pay more? If this would bring down the prices of fragments (I have shown factual evidence that it will not change the void market) why is that a bad idea? When has anyone ever say 'I want to pay more for stuff!'

Meirril has told me not to ignore the down convert recipe, in fact Meirril has just shown a great way to make money (2pp 43gp profit from a 37gp investment) I have a friend who buys all Void Powders under 50gp down converts them all to Fragments to sell. Is this why people are against my idea because they would lose this market? If that is the reason I can understand that. But if my idea will bring the price down, I say why pay more?

The reason the supply of t9 fragments is so low is because of current adventuring content. The only source of treasured transmutable items are adept books that drop from solo mobs. After you grind your way to 92 there is no reason to continue to do solo mobs. Even then, most solo drops are not spell books but vendor fodder or legendary items.

By itemization everything in Velious is legendary or above. This is what causes fragments to have a high value to non-adorners. The non-adorners follow a long time crafting tradition of bringing the crafter all the materials for the combine. If they simply came to the crafter and offered to pay for the components the adorner would break down a power to fragments for each combine because power is the most widely available transmuting product available in T9/10.

So really, adorners are failing to take advantage of people's ignorence. Is that the real message we're getting here? Most t10 customers don't mind paying an extra 2p to get what they want NOW. 6 fragments, 30g or 150g is perty much the same to most adventurers. Seriously, why am I going to blink twice about a 5p price difference for something I want?

Either way the arguments in favor of making handcrafted transmutable fail to take into consideration the real underlying relationships to supply and broker demand. As such, the entire t9/10 argument is perty much null, void and invalid.

 Instead you should be looking at t7 and t8 if you really want to make market force arguments of supply of transmutable products. Anyway you want to look at this, I can get a transmuter from 0-425 for about 50p with no farming, which under todays market seems very reasonable. 

[Zivgar]

Oakum wrote:

This is a very bad idea for the botters out there mentoring down or lvl locking and starting their autokill and loot programs or harvesting programs so they can farm for mute trash out of business. We cannot have that now, we need them driving up prices of the lvl 5 items on the broker that new players at that are lvl 5 cant afford.   They may switch to just running their crafting bot accounts all the time rather then just half the time then and really overflood the market with. That would be bad for the crafting market over all.

I'm not sure if you are for my idea or against? Putting bot'ers out of business really doesn't bother me at all, but yes your statement is correct this would put bot'ers that farm gear out of business. Honestly I don't think that is a bad thing. Hurting the cash flow of a bot'er is not my concern. I'm sorry to any bot'ers out there, but I think SoE doesn't care about bot'ers either.

Now you do bring up a great about the bot'ers switching to crafting HC items. First off (and I would like the help of the crafters out there if this is true) There is no market for HC items and what market there would be is for newbie players that have no money, that can only afford HC gear. Of course if Bot'ers are flooding the market with HC items the prices would drop, making it really not worth while to make these items as a money making plan. With lower prices then these newbie players could actually afford the gear. I find that as a postive.

I read a post on here about WS not getting ammo in T10. They basically said that they have nothing of worth while to make without that ammo recipes. Now there is more tiers, but I can't imagine, especially now you don't get bonus xp for making a first time item, that a lot of people make HC items to try and sell and make money, so I don't see this hurting the crafting market, a market that doesn't really exist (If I am wrong here please correct me). In fact I see this helping by making a market for these items, though if the market get flooded it would be a small profit, but a profit. It just would lead to more choices.

Currently the only market is for comusable items, such as food/drink (Provie), Ammo (WW, WS), and potions/poisons (Alchem). That is just 4 Tradeskill classes that have a constant market. Sure the others have there places, nothing constant like those other 4. My idea would give the other 5 a chance to perhaps have a constant market. I don't see that as bad for the crafting market.

My final point is that a bot'er can not just set up a program and mass 1000's of HC items.

Think on this: Current bags max size is 48; 48 x 6 = 288. So in one sitting you could only make 288 items at best. (Now I don't know if you can still make items and they go into the overflow, if some one knows let us know)

So lets say it take 30 seconds to make these items as a Bot'er, that would take 144 min (2 hours 24 min) to make. So of course the bot'er could wait till that 2.5 hours. Dump all that stuff onto the broker and set it up again, rinse and repeat. They can't set it up over night since they have to set it up every 2.5 hours. Just seems a lot of trouble to not make a lot of money. (Since I am sure more than one bot'er would do this flood the market driving prices down. Plus farming items is free, crafting costs fuel. If you are going to bot to get transmuting items, still seems that farming loot is still the much better option and this is the current system in the game!

[Tollymore]

Zivgar wrote:

Tollymore I have seen you on AB selling weapons and I think it is great how you go about doing it.  If you could answer me the best way to level up tradeskilling?  I think all crafters would agree that it is via Rush Orders. The TS xp that you gain is huge, way more than just making single crafting items.  I am pretty sure that people will still level up using rush orders over what you suggested.  But you do have a very good point, but why is the only way to level up transmuting by farming the items or buying the items that other people have farmed? Why not make it that a crafter can level up transmuting? Why is that so bad? Again with HC items I only want fragments to come from them, nothing higher. No voids, no infusions, just fragments.

Now why do people level up transmuting skill? I see two reason. The first so they can transmute items, so they can make adornments (Level up adorning). 2nd transmute items so they can sell them (or sell the adorns), and I bet a little bit of both.  Now the crafter has a chance to do that and the market will dictate the prices, but I can't stress this point enough, HC items would only be transmuted into fragments of that tier. So crafters would only be able to get fragments.

It takes 1 mana, 2 infusions, 3 voids, and 6 fragments to make 1 superior adorn, a crafter would have to make 1236 items to make one superior adorn. If someone wanted to do that, they pay money to play this game then why not? Greater adorn 1 infusion, 2 voids, and 6 fragments that is 126 crafted items. Lesser adorn 1 void 6 fragments 16 crafted items. Why does a crafter have to rely on adventurers to get adornment materials?

If you are a silver member I heard you can't wear MC items, now when they get an upgrade of a HC piece they can transmute it instead of making it vendor fodder. I don't see how this is a bad thing. I don't see if a paying player wants to level transmuting and a tradeskill together is a bad thing. I will still level my last tradeskiller via Rush Orders and I will level that players transmuting via loot drops and crafting items, but at least with my idea that player has more choices, then just farming items or buying them on the broker. That is my point more options this will never stop maing Rush Orders the best way to level up a Tradeskiller.

I levelled up Transmuting as I levelled, with the first 50 points via cash a guildie gave me and a detour at about 30 via Chronomancering. This was before I figured out the Yarrow method, or I just would have done that.

As I only needed 5 points per level, it was then mostly eased up as I went with unwanted quest rewards, adepts books and so on.

If you are doing it as a 90, then go farm the Eye of Arad or PR like the rest of us, and make the one plat you need to buy five unwanted Adepts books at circa 20 gold each.

Yes, transmuting does need mats gathered by adventurers, as opposed to using EZ Mode pack ponies, guild miners and the rest of it ... but its also one key press as opposed to the process of making something that "conventional" crafting is.

"If you are a silver member I heard you can't wear MC items" is completely wrong and false and to be ignored. On the other hand, as a silver person you are locked out of the broker without guildies or spending excessive amounts of real cash (*), and that means genuine lowbies without high level alts cant afford to buy MC items that compete for rares with pretty furniture and twinkishness for alts that bored endgame players buy.

Finally, Tolly buys 90% of his adornment mats straight off the broker. With most of levelling adorning done via dailies, and then by making money once I got the skill to 275, I could easily deal with not having levelled transmuting at all. He frequently vendored legendary items, because that earned more than transmuting them would.

But then Tolly isnt, fundamentally, a crafter - hes a salesman. Too many lazy little so and sos call themselves crafters, and think SOE should line up customers for them, and then whine when no-one buys the stuff they sell that is identical to the stuff sold by two zillion other lazy so and sos with 9 crafter alts each.

Find people who can use what you make, convince them they have a need for it, and fill that need.

In summary, it aint broke, dont fix it. Now, go buy a whole lot of yarrow and so on and go level your transmuting with it.

(*) SOE should copy Turbine's greatly superior ftp model in this, and allow ftp people *a* broker slot to sell *one* thing. But generally, SOE should just admit they were wrong and implement Turbine's ftp model wholesale. Stupid pride in stupid model is stupid.

[Tollymore]

Meirril wrote:

The reason the supply of t9 fragments is so low is because of current adventuring content. The only source of treasured transmutable items are adept books that drop from solo mobs. After you grind your way to 92 there is no reason to continue to do solo mobs. Even then, most solo drops are not spell books but vendor fodder or legendary items.

I disagree. There is plenty of Treasured dropping where the Infusions of the Void and Distilled Mana come from, which is Kunark.

Its just the people farming that content arent bothering to pick it up, because they are too busy speed running the content to get to the bosses to farm the Distilled Mana.

[Tollymore]

Zivgar wrote:

My final point is that a bot'er can not just set up a program and mass 1000's of HC items.

Think on this: Current bags max size is 48; 48 x 6 = 288. So in one sitting you could only make 288 items at best. (Now I don't know if you can still make items and they go into the overflow, if some one knows let us know)

So lets say it take 30 seconds to make these items as a Bot'er, that would take 144 min (2 hours 24 min) to make. So of course the bot'er could wait till that 2.5 hours. Dump all that stuff onto the broker and set it up again, rinse and repeat. They can't set it up over night since they have to set it up every 2.5 hours. Just seems a lot of trouble to not make a lot of money. (Since I am sure more than one bot'er would do this flood the market driving prices down. Plus farming items is free, crafting costs fuel. If you are going to bot to get transmuting items, still seems that farming loot is still the much better option and this is the current system in the game!

*post deleted due to math error. The fuel is important*

[Zivgar]

Meirril wrote:

Zivgar wrote:

Meirril wrote:

Hmm...so by this logic...

Breaking down 1 void powder to 7 fragments costs 1 areated water and...5 fuel?

So 7g fuel + 30g void powder = 37g costs for 40g fragment x 7 = 280g - 37g materials cost = 243g profit from 1 combine.

Stop ignoring the down convert recipe please.

Meirril I am glad you brought this up.

Let us use your example but look at it in another way. You stated to convert 1 void powder into 7 Underfoot fragments would cost 37gp (well you got the 30gp from my example, but that doesn't matter) 

So basically you spent 5gp 28sp per fragment, but the current market price on the broker for an Underfoot Fragment is between 30gp and 40gp. So why would any one ever buy the Underfoot Fragments on the broker when you could just buy a void powder and convert it to 7 Underfoot Fragments. 

I'll try and give a couple reasons, some one can not do that convertion, so they buy the components to have an adorner make the item for them. They don't care about paying essentially 7 times more for a Fragment than if you down converted a Void Powder. That is something I will never do, but it comes back to one of my major points: Its all about more choices. 

So this is something I currently do with the voids that I transmute (I don't buy or sell them since I have 4 90+ that I want to be fully adorned).

My point here is again I feel because the supply of fragments is so low since giving another option will help that supply so the prices reflect the other 3 components. If Void Powders cost around 30gp to 75gp then Underfoot fragments should cost around 3gp to 7gp 50sp, but it is currently around 30gp to 40gp because the supply is so low. Why do you guys who are against my idea want to pay more? If this would bring down the prices of fragments (I have shown factual evidence that it will not change the void market) why is that a bad idea? When has anyone ever say 'I want to pay more for stuff!'

Meirril has told me not to ignore the down convert recipe, in fact Meirril has just shown a great way to make money (2pp 43gp profit from a 37gp investment) I have a friend who buys all Void Powders under 50gp down converts them all to Fragments to sell. Is this why people are against my idea because they would lose this market? If that is the reason I can understand that. But if my idea will bring the price down, I say why pay more?

The reason the supply of t9 fragments is so low is because of current adventuring content. The only source of treasured transmutable items are adept books that drop from solo mobs. After you grind your way to 92 there is no reason to continue to do solo mobs. Even then, most solo drops are not spell books but vendor fodder or legendary items.

I agree, this is one reason why I want another source, or another choice, that is fairly easy to get to make fragments. SoE seems to be fazing out the teasured gear. Nothing wrong with that, but with gear having 2+ white adorn slots, we need more sources to get the materials to craft those adornments. Having HC items transmutable as an option may help that, having dropped gear give out more materials could be another option instead, such as all transmuted gear will give a fragment along with the current materials. I just see gear having double the slots, yet the supply is still the same. I don't think that is a good thing. My idea would just help the fragment supply.

By itemization everything in Velious is legendary or above. This is what causes fragments to have a high value to non-adorners. The non-adorners follow a long time crafting tradition of bringing the crafter all the materials for the combine. If they simply came to the crafter and offered to pay for the components the adorner would break down a power to fragments for each combine because powder is the most widely available transmuting product available in T9/10.

I agree with everything you say here. I am not sure how much the fragment supply would get flooded with my idea, but shouldn't fragments be the most common adornment material? Every adornment (lesser, greater, superior) need 6 fragments. I see something wrong for everyone in game with the current system. Making HC items transmutable would help fix this to some degree. Increasing the amount of fragments from transmuting gear could be another.

But still the down conversion of powders to fragments is currently the best way to get fragments. Even with my idea this won't change. Some people say that bot'ers would mass craft HC items to get fragments, but buying powders and down converting would still be a more cost effect way, so bot'ers would still do it the same way as they currently are.

So really, adorners are failing to take advantage of people's ignorence. Is that the real message we're getting here? Most t10 customers don't mind paying an extra 2p to get what they want NOW. 6 fragments, 30g or 150g is perty much the same to most adventurers. Seriously, why am I going to blink twice about a 5p price difference for something I want?

Well you have allready admitted that there really is no way to get fragments, so how do you think all those fragments get on the broker? Clearly adorners are taking advantage of down converting powders to sell at the higher price fragment market since there is no way to get them currently in the game. Nothing wrong with what they are doing, its part of the in-game ecomony

But how could this be working correctly if fragments are the most needed material in making adornments. I am offereing an idea to help this out. I am offering a way for tradeskillers to get a more viable option to get materials for a crafting class. Adventurers have a chance to get all materials for free as they gain XP, with my idea a tradeskiller can get a steady supply of fragments via HC or a chance to get powders/infusions via MC. A Traderskiller could never get a mana though.

Like you said most customer wouldn't mind to pay extra, but the key word is most. I thought this was a good idea because it gives more options to the players, beacuse some players don't do plat runs and solo PR, SoH, and other good plat zones. This idea will just help out people trying to pay less for fragments. I have proven several times that even with my idea down converting powders is still cheaper at least for T9, and several other tiers too (T1 comes to mind). You may not mind paying extra to get your item now, that is your choice. I just want to give more options to people, give the players to have serveral choices, to make the best one at that time. I don't see what is so wrong with that.

Either way the arguments in favor of making handcrafted transmutable fail to take into consideration the real underlying relationships to supply and broker demand.

Your statement is partial correct. my idea of making HC items transmutable would only take into consideration the supply of fragments on the broker demand, which by looking at the broker would show that the supply is low thus why they are sometimes cost more than powders at that same tier. I guess I have to ask what is the real underlying relationship? The supply could be low cuz those lower tiers have less people getting those loot drops, so now my idea gives another way, but to only get fragments. But my idea isn't just about the broker, it is also about giving tradeskillers a viable way to level up transmuting, in the current system they have adventure or buy it to get skill up. Why hate on the tradeskillers? I think allowing HC items to be transmutable would just add another aspect to the real underlying relaionships to supply and broker demand, finally something that a tradeskiller can it involved in. MC items are just to rare to compete with farming items, so I say let the tradeskillers in on the fun.

As such, the entire t9/10 argument is perty much null, void and invalid.

Since T9 is the highest level of adorning materials I think it is very revelent to look at the most active market and it shows that fragments the lowest component is pretty rare, in fact as you have stated yourself the best and most viable way to get fragments is down convert powders. The supply of fragments need to increase, gear now have 2+ white adorns. The game community needs more options to get more fragments. My idea is one suggestion, down converting powders as you have pointed out will also be an option, having any tier of gear (fabled, legendary) when tranmuted give at least 1 fragment (or even more) plus the current materials could be another way. I just want to get tradeskillers in on the action and more than just MC gear.

 Instead you should be looking at t7 and t8 if you really want to make market force arguments of supply of transmutable products.

You are correct all tiers need to be look at, and I did look at T7/T8. I can post the number if you want, but again the market on these tiers is kinda dead since the majority of players are in the T9/T10. T8 was just like T9 (makes sense since all the PR, VP, SoH farming. Infusions are so cheap in T8, a huge supply, and fragments are just a couple gold less than powders)

T7 seemed more normalized with fragments more than 8 times cheaper than the powders, but I looked up my woodworker and making a lvl 60 HC club would cost about 1gp more than the current broker price of the T7 fragment. I then looked at T1 which a lapis lazuli fragment costing 10g 80s that is so out of control, more proof that my idea would be a great one (unless you are some one farming those items and making a great profit on) Ulteran powders was 26gp 40sp for a T1 item! Just shows how low the supply is.

So I decided to look at T2 3sp 30cp for a coral fragment and 1g 10s for the aether powder. I look with my same woodworker and I could find a recipe for only 2 fuel items (total cost would 48cp). So T2 shows that my idea would change this market where tranmuting HC items would be the most ideal choice in getting fragments. I guess I am not seeing where giving traderskillers the better option is one area a bad thing. This game is geared toward the adventure classes, so I just don't see giving this area to them as a bad thing. Adorning is a craftng class, having tradeskillers take a little piece of that adorning material market, I just don't see how this is bad. Plus consider that the adornment market for T2 can't be that huge since you can blow by these levels so fast if you choose. I can't see this as a bad thing, but again that is my opinion.

Now I didn't look at the other tiers but I bet they will be pretty simular to T2 and T7 with the examples I gave. Some tiers the gear farmer will be better, other tiers if HC items were to become transmutable the traderskiller will be better. That seems fair to me.

Anyway you want to look at this, I can get a transmuter from 0-425 for about 50p with no farming, which under todays market seems very reasonable.

Yup I understand transmuting can be fast, when I did it I farmed items. Went from Blackburrow to SH, to CoV, to Runnyeye to Deathfist Citadel. To CT and Clefts in SS. I did KoS zones and even hit up EoF instances. It was fun destroying those zones. That was my choice. You could have farmed it and done just as well, but you chose to buy all the items. That was your choice and I am sure it was a lot faster than what I did. I just want to give a crafting choice that is more viable than MC items. I guess I still don't see why that isn't a good idea. Each would have there advantages and I see players picking from those choices to what fits them the best.

You bring up some good points. Comments in Red

[Zivgar]

Tollymore wrote:

Meirril wrote:

The reason the supply of t9 fragments is so low is because of current adventuring content. The only source of treasured transmutable items are adept books that drop from solo mobs. After you grind your way to 92 there is no reason to continue to do solo mobs. Even then, most solo drops are not spell books but vendor fodder or legendary items.

I disagree. There is plenty of Treasured dropping where the Infusions of the Void and Distilled Mana come from, which is Kunark.

Its just the people farming that content arent bothering to pick it up, because they are too busy speed running the content to get to the bosses to farm the Distilled Mana.

RoK is 5 xpak ago, well 4  xpak have come out since then and only the lvl 80 teasured gear will give underfoot fragments. In PR most of the gear is lvl 78 or 79, but there is some lvl 80 stuff in there. Really do people do RoK heroic zones to farm infusions and manas? I just thought they did that to Power Level? I still think most of those fragments on the broker comes from down converting powders and since you said that they don't loot those items anyway then that must be true. Which in the end it seems to me to be his point.

[Tollymore]

Zivgar wrote:

RoK is 5 xpak ago, well 4  xpak have come out since then and only the lvl 80 teasured gear will give underfoot fragments. In PR most of the gear is lvl 78 or 79, but there is some lvl 80 stuff in there. Really do people do RoK heroic zones to farm infusions and manas? I just thought they did that to Power Level? I still think most of those fragments on the broker comes from down converting powders and since you said that they don't loot those items anyway then that must be true. Which in the end it seems to me to be his point.

Zivgar,

Where do you think all the cheap Phenomenal Reactant comes from ?

[Zivgar]

Tollymore wrote:

Zivgar wrote:

RoK is 5 xpak ago, well 4  xpak have come out since then and only the lvl 80 teasured gear will give underfoot fragments. In PR most of the gear is lvl 78 or 79, but there is some lvl 80 stuff in there. Really do people do RoK heroic zones to farm infusions and manas? I just thought they did that to Power Level? I still think most of those fragments on the broker comes from down converting powders and since you said that they don't loot those items anyway then that must be true. Which in the end it seems to me to be his point.

Zivgar,

Where do you think all the cheap Phenomenal Reactant comes from ?

I will assume it is from farming RoK heroic zones? I have no doubt you are correct, but what does any of this have to do with making Handcrafted items transmutable?

You said it yourself they don't even loot those teasured chests, though your point is a valid it one about reactants, I don't see how it relates to this topic. When I looked it up on the broker the cheapest treasured gear lvl 80+ was all from SF. No teasured gear has dropped in DoV and SS zones. If this trend continues the only reliable source of fragments will be from that down conversion.

I have proposed an idea to have another way to get fragments, remember you need 6 fragments to make any type of adornments.  The current way SoE is going here, why not just remove fragments from the game and just add one more powder to each recipe. For me, personally I don't like that idea. I see tons of items allready in the game, that for the most part aren't made, that can again have some value by helping increase the amount of fragments, help a crafter only player get a viable way to increase transmuting from 5 to 435. I believe the only people that can down convert are adorners and with my idea it would still be the best way to get fragments, but would just not be the only way. 

[Zivgar]

I have now listened to many concerns about my propsal and some have been very good and made me think or reconsider. I feel I have squelched most of these with either facts taken directly from the game or logical agruments. Some points I have made will depend on some ones opinion and how they feel about it and that is fine.

I think the negative points about my idea are as follows:

1) The teasured item market will suffer, since HC items can be trasnmuted into only fragments giving a little conpetition in that area. Of course treasured items can give you powders too, so those items would still be worth more in terms of adornment materials, but the point is in many cases it would worth more to sell these teasured items to an NPC vendor instead of trying to sell on the broker. 

Now if you just want to get materials for adorning getting these items is still better as you get them for free and have a chance to get powders and fragments, while HC items you have pay for the fuel and would only get fragments, but have the raw components from harvests more readily available. Also while gathering these teasured items you will get legendary and fabled gear allowing you to get the higher level adorning materials, that you can sell or keep to help your adorning.

So I see my idea making the teasured gear market less lucrative, but why would some just farm teasured items? They would farm all items and if they could get more money selling teasured items to a NPC vendor instead of on the broker, they are still geting money, just slightly less than what the current system offers. So overall I don't see hurting the teasured item market that big of a deal, but that is my opinion.

2) The effect on other tiers than just the highest current Tier. With HC items being transmutable into fragments that will allow another source of transmutable items that is readily available. Depending on the tier and how many fuel you need per items this could also be a very cheap way to get fragments. If it is really cheap you could even make the higher adorning components via up conversion, though you would have to be an adorner to do this.

But to what end? Is the market that huge for tiers that adventurers can just power through? Even if they spend some time there in that level range and actually want adorns why is it a bad thing to have them more readily available to them?  If they are adventuring they should be getting items and if they know about transmuting could have these materials allready and wouldn't even need to buy them. If you think about it content is so easy now and with the ability to have mercs there is even less reasons to get adornments, but if the lowest of the components, fragments, increase in the supply making them cheaper, it could give more reason to buy them because they don't cost that much. I don't see people making adornments just to sell in those lower tiers, they would make them to level up adorning and then try and sell them. I see lowering the prices on the lowest of the adorning components would just help out the adorner. I see that as a good thing.

Now the point is with my idea, it is tough to predict what would happen at these lower tiers and how it would effect the players. You can assume that it will increase the fragment supply, which would lower prices. Lowering prices would lower the demand on the broker for teasured items of that tier. But the lower tiers aren't that populated so these items aren't readily available which is why these teasured item can cost more. Is this good or bad? I guess it depends on your point of view, but worrying about older tiers seem like a minor concern, when my solution would just increase the lowest materials for adorning.

These are the only 2 I can think of? Can anyone else think of more that I haven't allready addressed? If not I really think this is a good idea, a necessary one? Nah life in EQ2 for the adorners and gathering of the materials will still go on, with the new gear moving toward 2 white adorn slots we need more sources to get these. My idea would only address fragments, the lowest component. Adveturers will still control the powder, infusion, and manas and I have no problem with that.

[Meirril]

I'm more or less neutral on this topic. While I've voiced arguments against it isn't because I was opposed to the idea, but rather saw the arguments as ignoring aspects of transmuting and adorning and wished the arguments to address a more accurate version of what is going on.

Lets talk about how this idea would be implimented. An infrence from how its been talked about seems to indicate that the broad idea is that 1 HC item would equal 1 fragment. That idea is inconsistant with transmuting. Transmuting works as 60% low end product, 35% high end product, 5% all possible products with the only current exception being MC which has 3 possible products but nearly the same percentages.

I'm thinking that is HC was going to be made transmutable that it would have similar production. Lets be nice and make it 50% nothing, 45% 1 fragment, 5% 2 fragments so you still have a common, rare and very rare results. If the skill up rate was maintained this would become the perfered method. If dev doesn't want this to become THE perfered method but instead a secondary option that would be more expensive, halve the skill up chance. So 25% if it is a white or yellow combine, down to 10% for "grey" combines. At a cost of 6c per item, even at 10% getting to 450 would cost less than 1p in fuel and a whole lot of time crafting. Even bronze members could get to 90 transmuting.

One reminder: Transmuting when it was first introduced was made as a massive plat sink. You only skilled up when you made adornments. Transmuting as it is now still acts as a fairly efficient way to bolster the price of treasured items in the game. If that is no longer desirable in light of bronze and silver members not being able to afford treasured gear then this is a good way to lower the value of those items. If the status quo is good (from a dev perspective) then this is a bad idea.

As it is, the game needs more plat sinks. 90 min timers on group instances only makes the farming of plat come faster with no added ways to pull it from the game. Transmuting is an effective plat sink monstly because all transmuters tend to break down any loose items instead of brokering them. Encouraging more people to become transmuters will result in less gold being introduced but the prices of low end items falling as demend falls. Overall, I tend to find Transmuting to be negligable as a plat sink due to being massively outweighed by shard chests. The same goes for fuel consumption in crafting. 

[Tollymore]

Zivgar,

You want a change thats unneccessary - you can already turn the adorning mats people actually gather into powders and then fragments.

This change will need coding.

It wont make SOE any money.

It will solve a non-problem.

Give it up.

[Zivgar]

Meirril wrote:

I'm more or less neutral on this topic. While I've voiced arguments against it isn't because I was opposed to the idea, but rather saw the arguments as ignoring aspects of transmuting and adorning and wished the arguments to address a more accurate version of what is going on.

Lets talk about how this idea would be implimented. An infrence from how its been talked about seems to indicate that the broad idea is that 1 HC item would equal 1 fragment. That idea is inconsistant with transmuting. Transmuting works as 60% low end product, 35% high end product, 5% all possible products with the only current exception being MC which has 3 possible products but nearly the same percentages.

I'm thinking that is HC was going to be made transmutable that it would have similar production. Lets be nice and make it 50% nothing, 45% 1 fragment, 5% 2 fragments so you still have a common, rare and very rare results. If the skill up rate was maintained this would become the perfered method. If dev doesn't want this to become THE perfered method but instead a secondary option that would be more expensive, halve the skill up chance. So 25% if it is a white or yellow combine, down to 10% for "grey" combines. At a cost of 6c per item, even at 10% getting to 450 would cost less than 1p in fuel and a whole lot of time crafting. Even bronze members could get to 90 transmuting.

One reminder: Transmuting when it was first introduced was made as a massive plat sink. You only skilled up when you made adornments. Transmuting as it is now still acts as a fairly efficient way to bolster the price of treasured items in the game. If that is no longer desirable in light of bronze and silver members not being able to afford treasured gear then this is a good way to lower the value of those items. If the status quo is good (from a dev perspective) then this is a bad idea.

As it is, the game needs more plat sinks. 90 min timers on group instances only makes the farming of plat come faster with no added ways to pull it from the game. Transmuting is an effective plat sink monstly because all transmuters tend to break down any loose items instead of brokering them. Encouraging more people to become transmuters will result in less gold being introduced but the prices of low end items falling as demend falls. Overall, I tend to find Transmuting to be negligable as a plat sink due to being massively outweighed by shard chests. The same goes for fuel consumption in crafting. 

Yes I am glad you made agruments against it because if something like this was to put in place everything needs to be looked at and not just certian area that would make my idea look better. I can only think of so many possibilities and somethings I may not think of. So I thank all the people who have made constructive criticism or voiced their concerns.

I will admit I am not 100% on your suggestion. I don't really like the idea of getting nothing back, maybe change it to an item like a 'lump of coal', where you could sell and get some of that fuel cost back, but then again it is a money sink like you said. Plus even if you do get nothing back you still have a chance at a skill up, which really when you look at this idea is one of the major points.

So I would be for this idea of something like 50% you get nothing, 45% you 1 fragment, and 5% you get 2 frags.  Now I would leave it up to SoE Devs to figure out the % base. Obviously I would be more for something like 35% nothing, 60% 1 frag, and 5% 2 frags, but I don't think that really matters. Just the idea of 3 different out comes with each giving skill ups. This would still leave the market for teasured and adept books since you would always at least get 1 fragment, or 1 powder, or 1 of each. I like it.

I never posted it either, but I am glad you did. But the percentage of skills up is again something that seems right to me. I would go for something like this what you said. I think that is simular to loot drops as where is the level of the gear is much lower than your transmuting level you don't get as many skill ups. So make it the same as loot drops if this is the case. Or if you want make the skill up chance less. I would be in favor of either, but as long as crafters have a viable option to level transmuting skill. If you have to go out and kill things you are no longer doing Tradeskiller things, you are doing adventurer things.

Lastly this still wouldn't address my concern that there needs to be more adorning materials out there. With SoE doing toward the 2+ white adorn system I think the supply of these items is going to drop big time. I have allready seen prices raise. Now I don't think making HC items is the answer nor I do I think it should be. Maybe increase the amount of materials for each item that is transmuted.

Such as legendary common would be 1 fragment and 1 powder, uncommon would be 1 fragment, 1 powder, and 1 infusion, and rare would be 2 fragments 2 powders and 1 infusion. This could be ultered in any way, doesn't have to be what I suggested.

Fabled could be 1 fragment and 1 infusion for common, uncommon could be 1 fragment, 1 infusion, and 1 mana, rare could be 2 fragments, 2 infusions and 1 mana.

Of course this idea would increase the supply of fragments, powders, and infusions and leave the most vaulable component at the same rate. (the amount of manas would increase with the extra supply of infusions though)

But a good point though is the fact that zones do only have 90 minute timers, which may be the only thing that needs to keep the supply high enough to get the materials needed to adorn items with 2 white adorn slots. So adding extra components is probabely not needed, but if this other idea was put into place you would have a lot more people wanted to be transmuters. Oh well just a thought.

[Tollymore]

Zivgar,

The market is doing its thing - on AB, infusions of the void are up to about 5 plat, and Distilled Mana to about 40.

Tolly is now running more content for adorning mats (and XP and AA), and buying more Legendary and Fabled items to break, and is buying a lot fewer voids directly on the market.

One of his guildies has also levelled his transmuting up, and another one is on the way.

[Yimway]

Making handcrafted work/flag the same as treasured seems like a reasonable change at this juncture.

It wouldn't have been reasonable when transmuting was introduced, but in today's game, sure why not.

[Meirril]

Tollymore wrote:

Zivgar,

The market is doing its thing - on AB, infusions of the void are up to about 5 plat, and Distilled Mana to about 40.

Tolly is now running more content for adorning mats (and XP and AA), and buying more Legendary and Fabled items to break, and is buying a lot fewer voids directly on the market.

One of his guildies has also levelled his transmuting up, and another one is on the way.

Funny, I just saw someone selling 200 mana at 20p each in /auction the other night. I guess the point is that the broker isn't an accurate measure of the supply but rather only measures those that are using it.

Most crafters are horders. Generally speaking, if you describe yourself as a crafter it means you've got at least 1 box of rares sitting around gathering dust. I've got hundreds of void powders, infusions and scores of mana not being used. Why? No good reason. I just break everything down that I get and don't want to give to an alt. We've been 90 for years now. I've given away stacks of void powder because I wanted to clear inventory space. Just ask around how much powder the 90/320 adventurers have, it should be rather shocking.

[Zivgar]

Meirril wrote:

Tollymore wrote:

Zivgar,

The market is doing its thing - on AB, infusions of the void are up to about 5 plat, and Distilled Mana to about 40.

Tolly is now running more content for adorning mats (and XP and AA), and buying more Legendary and Fabled items to break, and is buying a lot fewer voids directly on the market.

One of his guildies has also levelled his transmuting up, and another one is on the way.

Funny, I just saw someone selling 200 mana at 20p each in /auction the other night. I guess the point is that the broker isn't an accurate measure of the supply but rather only measures those that are using it.

Most crafters are horders. Generally speaking, if you describe yourself as a crafter it means you've got at least 1 box of rares sitting around gathering dust. I've got hundreds of void powders, infusions and scores of mana not being used. Why? No good reason. I just break everything down that I get and don't want to give to an alt. We've been 90 for years now. I've given away stacks of void powder because I wanted to clear inventory space. Just ask around how much powder the 90/320 adventurers have, it should be rather shocking.

Yeah good point, was just talking to a guildie and he mentioned how many he had. I have 2 boxes in my shared bank full of rares. When the daily adornering quests came in that is why I leveled up my adorner, so I am sure a lot of people have adorners and just keep those materials to use when or if they need them.

So to continue to address my issue here, it may not be needed to increase the amount of materials from each transmuting. I still think that it would be a good idea to get fragments from fabled and legendary gear along with what we currently get. I would rather not have to farm older zones to get this, I would rather play new content.

[Malchore]

I love this idea. I have a transmutter who is stuggling to raise his skill beyond 100. (He's currently at 120 or so.) He gets 1 skillup per about 5 items muted. At that rate - even with normal solo questing - he gets not anywhere close to drop rate required to keep his skill matched with his adventure level. That rate would require about 250 mutable items per tier, which does not happen.

I could care less if handcrafted items returned anything in a mute. No fragments, nothing. I don't care. Would just be nice to have a way to work up transmutting without requiring hundrends of hours (per tier) of /played time grinding green mobs in some newbie zone.

[Rendoir]

Sorry but this is a ridiculous idea.

Fact - Adorning is cheap and easy to level. 

Fact - The only reason this topic is alive is that since everyone is regearing fragments have gone up in price.

Fact - People are too lazy to level adorning in order to be able to make 7 fragments from crafting one, yes ONE single progress.

Transmuting and adorning used to be the same thing - you needed to level adorning to transmute items. 

They've already oversimplified this secondary tradeskill - what is being requested just makes it stupid. May as well just put an adornment dispenser in qeynos harbor.

Or allow a person to choose what adornments they want as they loot an item.

[Rendoir]

Malchore wrote:

I love this idea. I have a transmutter who is stuggling to raise his skill beyond 100. (He's currently at 120 or so.) He gets 1 skillup per about 5 items muted. At that rate - even with normal solo questing - he gets not anywhere close to drop rate required to keep his skill matched with his adventure level. That rate would require about 250 mutable items per tier, which does not happen.

I could care less if handcrafted items returned anything in a mute. No fragments, nothing. I don't care. Would just be nice to have a way to work up transmutting without requiring hundrends of hours (per tier) of /played time grinding green mobs in some newbie zone.

You are missing the point I think. It's not supposed to be easy. I've levelled transmuting on all 20+ of my toons and its not hard, at all. And your numbers are way off, sorry.

[Meirril]

Impact@Splitpaw wrote:

Malchore wrote:

I love this idea. I have a transmutter who is stuggling to raise his skill beyond 100. (He's currently at 120 or so.) He gets 1 skillup per about 5 items muted. At that rate - even with normal solo questing - he gets not anywhere close to drop rate required to keep his skill matched with his adventure level. That rate would require about 250 mutable items per tier, which does not happen.

I could care less if handcrafted items returned anything in a mute. No fragments, nothing. I don't care. Would just be nice to have a way to work up transmutting without requiring hundrends of hours (per tier) of /played time grinding green mobs in some newbie zone.

You are missing the point I think. It's not supposed to be easy. I've levelled transmuting on all 20+ of my toons and its not hard, at all. And your numbers are way off, sorry.

Well, transmuting grey items is a 20% skill up rate. Transmuting items that are white/yellow is a 50% skill up rate. Guessing the Malchore is doing "grey" items?

[Meirril]

Impact@Splitpaw wrote:

Sorry but this is a ridiculous idea.

Fact - Adorning is cheap and easy to level. 

Fact - The only reason this topic is alive is that since everyone is regearing fragments have gone up in price.

Fact - People are too lazy to level adorning in order to be able to make 7 fragments from crafting one, yes ONE single progress.

Transmuting and adorning used to be the same thing - you needed to level adorning to transmute items. 

They've already oversimplified this secondary tradeskill - what is being requested just makes it stupid. May as well just put an adornment dispenser in qeynos harbor.

Or allow a person to choose what adornments they want as they loot an item.

Your talking about adorning, which as you well know is not Transmuting. Heck, your can do adorning for free if your willing to do it 11 combines a day.

I don't think this is about creating fragments so much as it is about skilling from 1-50 in transmuting. Just my opinion on this. Again, I don't think this is a good or a bad idea. It won't have a major impact on transmuting in either case.

[Zivgar]

Impact@Splitpaw wrote:

Sorry but this is a ridiculous idea.

Fact - Adorning is cheap and easy to level. (You need say why you can not just state something and then give no reasons, I will help you out.) Because Adorning now has a daily quest which helps you increase adorning for free with free materials.

Fact - The only reason this topic is alive is that since Everyone is regearing, so fragments have gone up in price.

Actually the fragment price is still about the same (24gp at current AB prices), so that actually isn't a Fact, that is just your guess, but a good one when you think about Supply and Demand Ecomonics. I take the time and look at the broker prices, but with that in mind, there is a lot more materials that the adorners just hold on to. Now this is a Fact - 'There is no longer teasured items dropping in the game from the last 2 xpak. The only source for fragments is to down convert powders.'

I believe there needs to be a new source of fragments. I see HC items having no use in this game, but could become a way to increase the amount of fragments in the game while still leaving the down convert of powders the best option to get those fragments. I have posted other ideas to increase the amount of fragments. My point is that fragments is the lowest rank of adoring materials, and the should be the most common since 6 is need in every single type of adornments. This is one of the goals of my idea to increase the amount of fragments in the game. It doesn't have to be my idea.

Fact - People are too lazy to level adorning in order to be able to make 7 fragments from crafting one, yes ONE single progress.

You can not say 'Fact' then write a statement and assume that it is correct. You have no idea why some people decide not to level adorning. As being an adorner myself I feel it is a very smart idea to level adorning. I will not call people lazy because they decide to spend their game time doing something else. Again never have I stated that down converting is not the best way to get fragments. In fact currently it is really the only way to get fragments in T9. With my idea there will be other choices to get fragments now, which I have proven with actually in game numbers would still be worse off then doing down converting. All this will do is just give an other option and give a viable option to crafters. I think more choices is a good thing.

Transmuting and adorning used to be the same thing - you needed to level adorning to transmute items. 

They've already oversimplified this secondary tradeskill - what is being requested just makes it stupid. May as well just put an adornment dispenser in qeynos harbor.

Or allow a person to choose what adornments they want as they loot an item.

I am sorry that you didn't understand my idea at all. I thought it was pretty straight forward. I don't see how this idea will help making leveling adorning up easier. To make a lesser adornment you need 1 powder, and 6 fragments. You would have to craft 16 HC to get enough materials to make 1 adorment. That would be 18 total combines. Now that doesn't seem easy to me at all. Seems to me the best way would be to do the daily adorn quest, or go out adventuring and farm a whole bunch of materials. That is the current system. So saying that my request is stupid just show how little you understand what is being stated here. This is about transmuting and finding the best way to increase the amount of fragment in game. This is not about making it easier to level adorning, because my idea would not do that. So I really have no idea what your point is here.

Funny how you call this a ridiculous idea yet none of points is remotely close to the idea I have stated. Comments in Red

If your worry is about losing out on the teasured gear market, then this idea could go in the direction of what Meirril stated and that is to have one of the outcomes be transmuting a HC item gets nothing. This will lead my idea to being a way for crafters to level up the transmuting skill, giving another choice to those people that level up both an adventure class and crafter class. Currently there is no viable way to level up Transmuting for a Crafter. I just want that option and that is one of the major points of my idea.

[Mermut]

Zivgar wrote:

Currently there is no viable way to level up Transmuting for a Crafter.

Actually, there is. Harvest and craft mastercrafted items to transmute.

And lengedary items CAN transmute into fragments.

[Zivgar]

Mermut wrote:

Zivgar wrote:

Currently there is no viable way to level up Transmuting for a Crafter.

Actually, there is. Harvest and craft mastercrafted items to transmute.

And lengedary items CAN transmute into fragments.

Legandary items CAN NOT transmute into fragments. http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/Transmuting Look it up from this page. I only get powders and infusions from Legendary items. I do not recall ever getting fragments from a Legendary item. Sorry but that is wrong.

Yes I have stated many times along with others, that MC items can be transmuted. I said viable or practical way, you need 435 transmuting skill to transmute lvl 92 items. That would be 430 skill ups. If each item you transmute gives you 1 skill up then you would need 430 rare items to do this. So you would have to buy or farm that many. To me that is not a viable solution to level up transmuting as a crafting only character. As we all know it is not a skill up every transmuted item. I do not have the actually numbers, but I believe we can all agree that 'grey' items give a lot less skill ups. Meirril said about 20% per grey item. So if you get your skill up to 100 then you need 330 more skill ups to get. If only using T1 and T2 rares it would then take you roughly 1650 rare items to level up transmuting. How is that viable?

If you are only lvl 10 Adverturer, while a lvl 90 Crafter how can you get enough high level rares to makes these items to level up to 435 skill? Can you? Of course you can get enough, but I think it is still a lot easier to get up by adventuring, in fact almost everyone has said that is true, so why force a crafter to do adventure things?. So please respond to this? How is being able to craft MC items a viable way to level up transmuting for a crafter? To me it seems to cost way too much or take way too much time to gather all those rares.

If you are concerned about having too much fragments onto the market, then just say that you like my idea, but you prefer Meirril's solution by making one of the transmuting out come to give nothing when you transmute a HC item. But I disagree with you when you say that making MC items is a practical or viable way to level up transmuting, I just don't see it. You quoted what I said so please read that quote before you use it to base your statements on.

[Malchore]

Impact@Splitpaw wrote:

Transmuting and adorning used to be the same thing - you needed to level adorning to transmute items. 

Okay, fogive my ignorance. I recently returned to EQ2 after nearly 5 years away. At the time I left, Transmuting and Adorning were two seperate skills. Are you saying it's now possible to work up my Transmuting skill while crafting adornments?

I'm unaware of any other way to work up Transmuting skill other than muting items. If there are other methods, then please share, or at least direct me to a thread that explains it all.

[Zivgar]

Malchore wrote:

Impact@Splitpaw wrote:

Transmuting and adorning used to be the same thing - you needed to level adorning to transmute items. 

Okay, fogive my ignorance. I recently returned to EQ2 after nearly 5 years away. At the time I left, Transmuting and Adorning were two seperate skills. Are you saying it's now possible to work up my Transmuting skill while crafting adornments?

I'm unaware of any other way to work up Transmuting skill other than muting items. If there are other methods, then please share, or at least direct me to a thread that explains it all.

You are correct currently there is only one way to level up transmuting that is to transmute items.

http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/Transmuting

That is a good website for info on transmuting, but I bet it is pretty much the same info that was current about 5 years ago when you last played.

[kdmorse]

Zivgar wrote:

 So if you get your skill up to 100 then you need 330 more skill ups to get. If only using T1 and T2 rares it would then take you roughly 1650 rare items to level up transmuting. How is that viable?

Hehe, it's perfectly viable.  Given that back before the transmuting/adorning change, it's how most of us did it.  It was the easiest, cheapest way to get the job done.  (I think I still have a box of left over Tier 1 rares because it didn't take as many combines as expected.)   But on the other hand, while it was viable, nobody's claiming it was any fun.

But while I object to making handcrafted gear transmutable into fragments for all the reasons mentioned upthread, I don't think I object to making it transmutable for skillups alone. 

Make it transmutable into nothing, with a 20% chance of a skillup, and I don't think it'll throw anything out of balance game wise.  I also don't think it's necessary, as transmuting is easy enough to skill up anyway once you get past level 10.  I'm not overly fond of the idea, but I don't find it objectionable either...