Feeling brushed off by SOE GMs for Reporting Botter

[Alpharaz]

I've been reading a lot of this "Why should you care if others afk bot?" kind of post and I really got to wonder if more than half the players don't care about afk bots and SOE doesn't seem to care all that much, then why did Chelsith get nerfed? Correct me if I am wrong but the main reason why it got nerfed was because it was too easy for players to afk bot there and max out there aa there and would be even more now with mercs. Atleast chelsith is a closed instance and out of ppl's way and not disrupting others gameplay, so I would suggest give us back the xp from those respawnable mobs in chelsith so afk bots(cheaters) can afk bot to there hearts content and leave the contested zones alone. If I don't have to see them, and they are not in my way, then I don't care.

The afk harvesters are extremly annoying and unfair I will say, because for everyone who is struggling to harvest nodes for rares to craft, sell, etc. wasting time to get what they need there is usualy an afk bot harvesting for hours sometimes days. These are contested zones which is first come first serve for mobs nodes etc. To contest is to compete or strive for, and when someone is afk botting with no effort on a node that is cheating and unfair. I've witnessed either a group of these 1 node botters or someone with multiple accounts taking over several nodes at one time in the past. When this happens how can somebody logically say to you "Why should you care if they afk bot?", because it DOES directly effect your gameplay if you are the one actually at your keyboard harvesting in that area. 

[Muusic]

Botters are insignificant nowdays with people selling SC cards for plat. If someone wants to buy plat they just contact one of the numerous players/guilds who farm raid zones and sell the cards for 300-500p each. At least this way in the long run the actual cash from the transaction goes back to SOE instead of China which in the long run will result in improved game development. Everyone wins this way

[Hateeternal]

Alpharaz wrote:

...When this happens how can somebody logically say to you "Why should you care if they afk bot?", because it DOES directly effect your gameplay if you are the one actually at your keyboard harvesting in that area. ...

I can't completely agree with you, I mean if an afk bot is standing at a node and harvests it how is this any different from someone standing at the node permantly harvesting it manually?

It's the very same thing and it's like you said "first come first serve" that's just how the game works.

You can't even be positive that someone is a botter... Maybe he or she just likes to stand in one area for a long time to harvest and maybe they don't like whispering you back because they feel annoyed or just don't want to talk? Automatically a bot? I wouldn't say so...

There are so many griefers in this game who really like to disrupt your gameplay experience by any means. For me, a botter who doesn't really do any harm to anyone is nothing more than funny to see unlike some real griefy players who should really get a ban but never do...

If it still bothers you so much how other people are playing - you still have the same chance to harvest a node like a "bot" does, just stand there and perma-click the point where the node spawns - I guess the afker would be pretty sad if he comes back after like 4 hours or so and finds he harvested zero stuff xD

Same goes for afk leveling - just pull away the mobs under the bots nose, has the same effect (and don't say this wouldn't work I once did it myself to an afk-leveller in the hole).

One could also turn off encounter locking and pull something with a huge AoE close to that bot - I can't say if that would work to get rid of them but it's just another thing that came to mind.

[ReddyKY]

Hateeternal wrote:

Alpharaz wrote:

...When this happens how can somebody logically say to you "Why should you care if they afk bot?", because it DOES directly effect your gameplay if you are the one actually at your keyboard harvesting in that area. ...

I can't completely agree with you, I mean if an afk bot is standing at a node and harvests it how is this any different from someone standing at the node permantly harvesting it manually?

It's the very same thing and it's like you said "first come first serve" that's just how the game works.

You can't even be positive that someone is a botter... Maybe he or she just likes to stand in one area for a long time to harvest and maybe they don't like whispering you back because they feel annoyed or just don't want to talk? Automatically a bot? I wouldn't say so...

There are so many griefers in this game who really like to disrupt your gameplay experience by any means. For me, a botter who doesn't really do any harm to anyone is nothing more than funny to see unlike some real griefy players who should really get a ban but never do...

If it still bothers you so much how other people are playing - you still have the same chance to harvest a node like a "bot" does, just stand there and perma-click the point where the node spawns - I guess the afker would be pretty sad if he comes back after like 4 hours or so and finds he harvested zero stuff xD

Same goes for afk leveling - just pull away the mobs under the bots nose, has the same effect (and don't say this wouldn't work I once did it myself to an afk-leveller in the hole).

One could also turn off encounter locking and pull something with a huge AoE close to that bot - I can't say if that would work to get rid of them but it's just another thing that came to mind.

First off...bots are VERBOTEN as they use third party software to play the game unattended. Period. End of Story.

Also, since a bot has no skin, read time, in the game it is not comparable at all to what an actual player can do. Since a bot doesn't have to make the necessary personal time commitment that is actually required, they do get a leg up on people that harvest legitimately, as they can harvest 24/7. Therefore, they deflatethe value of the goods that I harvest legitimately.

Cheaters always effect other people, even if it is ways that are not completely obvious to someone.

What is the difference between a bot cheater and exploit cheater who finds a way to cause coin to enter the game? Both are breaking the rules, and neither's actions DIRECTLY affect any one player. Just because someone views a coin exploit as somehow more eggregious, that does not negate the fact that botting harvesting is cheating and against the rules. The coin influx causes inflation; the coin I have is worth less. The rare influx artificially drives down prices; the materials I have are worth less. Similar affects to my wallet...all happening in the dark...so it is somehow ok for one and not the other.

Don't be a cheater...don't bot. Those who condone cheating are just as bad as the actual cheaters in my book because they foster an environment that encourages cheating.

[Hateeternal]

ReddyKY wrote:

Hateeternal wrote:

Alpharaz wrote:

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First off...bots are VERBOTEN as they use third party software to play the game unattended. Period. End of Story.

Also, since a bot has no skin, read time, in the game it is not comparable at all to what an actual player can do. Since a bot doesn't have to make the necessary personal time commitment that is actually required, they do get a leg up on people that harvest legitimately, as they can harvest 24/7. Therefore, they deflatethe value of the goods that I harvest legitimately.

Cheaters always effect other people, even if it is ways that are not completely obvious to someone.

What is the difference between a bot cheater and exploit cheater who finds a way to cause coin to enter the game? Both are breaking the rules, and neither's actions DIRECTLY affect any one player. Just because someone views a coin exploit as somehow more eggregious, that does not negate the fact that botting harvesting is cheating and against the rules. The coin influx causes inflation; the coin I have is worth less. The rare influx artificially drives down prices; the materials I have are worth less. Similar affects to my wallet...all happening in the dark...so it is somehow ok for one and not the other.

Don't be a cheater...don't bot. Those who condone cheating are just as bad as the actual cheaters in my book because they foster an environment that encourages cheating.

Well you're making some good points. But you also forget a few aspects.

Yes, bots are not allowed no question about that - but do you also go and write down and report every single car that is parked where parking isn't allowed? I also don't like bots or cheaters but what I even more don't like are people who care too much about what others around them do but for their own flaws, which they do have...

Also it never affects you in any way - I hope you realize that you're talking about a VIRTUAL economy of a GAME...

Whatever you may think things are "worth" in this game, they don't have any real value. (beside your sub fee, maybe)

SOE could devalue all of your coin in a second if they'd like to or they could make one plat worth a thousand - it's all up to them so there is no real economy and thus, no real harm done, not even indirectly.

A world full of lifeless bots is also not what I want, but a world of everyone pointing at each other accusing each other of things and always impatiently drop the "report" bomb about everything - definitely not what I want either!

In some thread was a guy who told he got a whisper if he were a bot and replied something like "Beep!" and the answer that came back was "I reported you"... I mean seriously, where is this going?

It's SOE's job to pursue and eliminate botters - not ours.

[ReddyKY]

Hateeternal wrote:

It's SOE's job to pursue and eliminate botters - not ours.

SOE is the police; we are the neighborhood watch.

[Hateeternal]

ReddyKY wrote:

Hateeternal wrote:

It's SOE's job to pursue and eliminate botters - not ours.

SOE is the police; we are the neighborhood watch.

With all the things that happened lately (that went through the media) I really don't consider Neighbourhodd Watch a good thing.

This is actually what I referred to as a world were everyone just is suspicious about everyone and points fingers....

[Kenazeer]

Hateeternal wrote:

ReddyKY wrote:

Hateeternal wrote:

It's SOE's job to pursue and eliminate botters - not ours.

SOE is the police; we are the neighborhood watch.

With all the things that happened lately (that went through the media) I really don't consider Neighbourhodd Watch a good thing.

This is actually what I referred to as a world were everyone just is suspicious about everyone and points fingers....

He has a point though. Can't let one bad apple spoil the barrel.

Communities with active watch programs, hence community involvment, have a lower incidence of crime. Probably not gonna deal on the corner if you are pretty certain that any one of the neighbors may call the cops.

Same thing here. People inclined to cheat will be less so if they actually know people are watching. It's why some companies post lists of banned people; the knowledge that people are watching, and that cheating bears consequences, if enough to greatly discourage what one could call casual cheating. 

A simple and polite question is usually a pretty easy way to start.

"Excuse me. Hate  to bug you, but can you tell me if there is a mender in this zone?"

"Excuse me. Hate  to bug you, but can you tell me if there is a banker in this zone?"

"Excuse me. Hate  to bug you, but can you tell me if there are Griffins or horse paths in this zone?"

etc...

Those kinds of questions lend themselves to a very brief answer, and are innocuous enough that most people, I would think, would take the time to answer.

Doesn't mean you are a bot if you don't answer, but is another piece of information one can use. Just like the guy on the corner simply may have a lot of friends that ride by in cars and stop to talk, but if you see him reaching in his pocket all the time, that is another piece of info.

[Hateeternal]

Very convincing what you say Kenazeer.

As long as SOE takes research on possible botters serious and don't just ban anyone because someone saw them farming in one spot, not picking up chests and not answering to tells, I guess the "neighbourhood watch" isn't such a bad thing.

Well, maybe for the GMs because they have to go through all the petitions and do research (no idea how that could look)

but that really is their problem

[Kenazeer]

Hateeternal wrote:

Well, maybe for the GMs because they have to go through all the petitions and do research (no idea how that could look)

but that really is their problem

That is why I would not advocate frivilous use of the petition process. If you are going to make someone else use their time, the least one could do is use a little of your own first in order to make sure it is warranted. Watch for a few minutes, try to send a tell, be pretty certain that you have a "case." If you can't convince yourself, and aren't fairly certain the character is a bot, then don't petition and waste other people's time. If, however, you are pretty sure, then you will be doing the community good by helping to rid it of cheaters.

[agnott]

If you suspect a botter, send them the following tell:

"If you are a botter, I wanted to take the time and thank you for believing this game is still relevent enough to warrent the time & effort to set up a botter. If not for you guys, there would be nights I would not see anybody playing at all. Keep up the good work."

[Hateeternal]

agnott wrote:

If you suspect a botter, send them the following tell:

"If you are a botter, I wanted to take the time and thank you for believing this game is still relevent enough to warrent the time & effort to set up a botter. If not for you guys, there would be nights I would not see anybody playing at all. Keep up the good work."

Actually on my server I've had tons of nights where a "/who all" would list no more than 10 or 15 players.

Since they were still on, maybe they were bots?

Just kidding!

[gds]

I've been noticing that since I've first posted this thread that this player has been repeating the same route.  Once in a while he's switched toons; I suspect since the previous accounts finally got banned.  When I look at this toon, I noticed it stripped down of all tradeable / sellable gear.  Worst I saw was one stripped down totally.  That would suggest these accounts have been hacked and stripped of sellable / tradeable get.  Also, none of these toons are selling anything on the broker so I suspect the items / coin is being transferred to a selling toon; in order to try and mislead the GMs.  These hacked accounts are likely set to F2P or silver in order to trade the items to the selling toon.

It's become very easy to confirm this player is using a program to harvest nodes along a set route.  BTW, I did supply the GMs with a map in the last two occassions of the route they're constantly using.  You can remove the nodes ahead of him along the route and he'll still run up to that spot and try and harvest the node; even though if he were at the terminal at noticed that I just harvested it he'll still run up to it and try.  If tried sending tells to this toon that botting is cheating with no response back; though I didn't suspect to get one.

With the latest, I've also noticed a toon on the broker suddenly selling more and more tier 9 gems / ores so I suspect this is his selling off toon that he trades the rares too.  The problem here, he runs this program 24x7 and I suspect collects about 10-20 rares per hour so the market is being flooded at times.  This also creates a sort of upper cap on pricing until that players rares are all sold off.  But then, he's also been lowering the cap thus making the rares cheaper.  This is not benificial for those that harvest and follow the EULA for they sure can't be up 24x7.

The fact that I've petitioned serveral tiems and supplied a route map now on the latest rendition of this players botting and the fact the GMs haven't done a thing other than let him bot harvest suggests the GMs no longer care about this bot harvester.  Maybe they no longer care about any bot harvester!  So I say if you feel like it, go out there and out bot the bot harvesters for the GMs sure don't care if you do.

Calamoor...

[Koleg]

Calamoor@Antonia Bayle wrote:

I've been noticing that since I've first posted this thread that this player has been repeating the same route.  Once in a while he's switched toons; I suspect since the previous accounts finally got banned.  When I look at this toon, I noticed it stripped down of all tradeable / sellable gear.  Worst I saw was one stripped down totally.  That would suggest these accounts have been hacked and stripped of sellable / tradeable get.  Also, none of these toons are selling anything on the broker so I suspect the items / coin is being transferred to a selling toon; in order to try and mislead the GMs.  These hacked accounts are likely set to F2P or silver in order to trade the items to the selling toon.

It's become very easy to confirm this player is using a program to harvest nodes along a set route.  BTW, I did supply the GMs with a map in the last two occassions of the route they're constantly using.  You can remove the nodes ahead of him along the route and he'll still run up to that spot and try and harvest the node; even though if he were at the terminal at noticed that I just harvested it he'll still run up to it and try.  If tried sending tells to this toon that botting is cheating with no response back; though I didn't suspect to get one.

With the latest, I've also noticed a toon on the broker suddenly selling more and more tier 9 gems / ores so I suspect this is his selling off toon that he trades the rares too.  The problem here, he runs this program 24x7 and I suspect collects about 10-20 rares per hour so the market is being flooded at times.  This also creates a sort of upper cap on pricing until that players rares are all sold off.  But then, he's also been lowering the cap thus making the rares cheaper.  This is not benificial for those that harvest and follow the EULA for they sure can't be up 24x7.

The fact that I've petitioned serveral tiems and supplied a route map now on the latest rendition of this players botting and the fact the GMs haven't done a thing other than let him bot harvest suggests the GMs no longer care about this bot harvester.  Maybe they no longer care about any bot harvester!  So I say if you feel like it, go out there and out bot the bot harvesters for the GMs sure don't care if you do.

Calamoor...

WOW, that is a aweful lot of suspisions all rolled into one post to be sure.  I'd like to point out however, when your 'suspect' the guy got Banned in paragraph #1, you cannot really say the GM's haven't done anything or don't care in paragraph #4.  It kind of breaks the story line.

I also suspect your suspicion of 10-20 rares an hour is a bit high.  It was cool though, how you 'suspected' a player selling rares on the broker was acting as the fence for the harvest bot or how you incorporated multiple account hacks into the story as well.  I do love a good sleuth mystery, I was on the edge of my seat the whole read.

[Kenazeer]

Koleg@Unrest_old wrote:

WOW, that is a aweful lot of suspisions all rolled into one post to be sure.  I'd like to point out however, when your 'suspect' the guy got Banned in paragraph #1, you cannot really say the GM's haven't done anything or don't care in paragraph #4.  It kind of breaks the story line.

I also suspect your suspicion of 10-20 rares an hour is a bit high.  It was cool though, how you 'suspected' a player selling rares on the broker was acting as the fence for the harvest bot or how you incorporated multiple account hacks into the story as well.  I do love a good sleuth mystery, I was on the edge of my seat the whole read.

See...the best part to me was where he harvested ahead of the guys pattern and the person still stopped at that same exact spot every time even though nothing was there. Pretty straightforward assumptions can be drawn from there regardless of the veracity of everything else.

[gds]

Here's the pic I've sent to the GMs now on two different occassions with the bot harvester.  For those that know the area, you can see it's a simple route.  You may notice he's passed a lot of other gem nodes along the way; why not take the time to harvest them too?  This botter is on the Antonia Bayle server so I'm wondering too if he (or another like him) is doing the same on other servers.

For a person doing the same repeatable task for hours upon hours, not responding to tells, only wearing non-tradeable gear (or nothing at all) sure speaks of a hacked account being used for bot harvesting purposes.

[Kenazeer]

Just out of curiousity. If you F4 or double-click on a mob wont that start attacking it? So God Forbid anyone body aggro a mob then have that mob follow you and stand on a spot where there should be a node but isn't. Would hate to have them "steal" your mob or anything. Great thing is, since they are in all but the most unlikely of circumstances a bot, there wont be a person there to petition, so you won't get in any trouble. lol.

[Koleg]

Calamoor@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Here's the pic I've sent to the GMs now on two different occassions with the bot harvester.  For those that know the area, you can see it's a simple route.  You may notice he's passed a lot of other gem nodes along the way; why not take the time to harvest them too?  This botter is on the Antonia Bayle server so I'm wondering too if he (or another like him) is doing the same on other servers.dd

For a person doing the same repeatable task for hours upon hours, not responding to tells, only wearing non-tradeable gear (or nothing at all) sure speaks of a hacked account being used for bot harvesting purposes.

You just discribed about 75% of the people grinding AA or quests in the game in that one sentence.... Or god forbid 99.9% of the Trade Skillers.   Bot's one and all I say.  I've seen lots of people level trade skills or even harvest nodes or grind AA while whatching a movie while giving the EQ2 screen about 5% of their attention.  Highly repeatable activities, whether grinding spawn spots or a workbench doesn't demand much attention and the last thing someone efforting as such will most likely ignore you as much as they are ignoring everything else in the game.

Out of courisoity, why do you feel you deserve a /reply from your /tell in the first place.

[gds]

Koleg@Unrest_old wrote:

Calamoor@Antonia Bayle wrote:

You just discribed about 75% of the people grinding AA or quests in the game in that one sentence.... Or god forbid 99.9% of the Trade Skillers.   Bot's one and all I say.  I've seen lots of people level trade skills or even harvest nodes or grind AA while whatching a movie while giving the EQ2 screen about 5% of their attention.  Highly repeatable activities, whether grinding spawn spots or a workbench doesn't demand much attention and the last thing someone efforting as such will most likely ignore you as much as they are ignoring everything else in the game.

Out of courisoity, why do you feel you deserve a /reply from your /tell in the first place.

I've been playing this game from almost day 1 and have come to be quite capable of spotting the difference between a player just harvesting / tradeskilling / adventuring to tell them apart from a botter or plat farmer.  Those that follow the EULA I'm happy to compete with and/or leave them be.  Sometimes the response from them confirms an active player that is just there to do what they need to.  Yes, they don't need to respond back but with a bot program running it either doesn't respond back or responds with a total wierd non-related response.  But I've rarely met anyone that doesn't respond back to a kind tell.

[Landiin]

Calamoor@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Here's the pic I've sent to the GMs now on two different occassions with the bot harvester.  For those that know the area, you can see it's a simple route.  You may notice he's passed a lot of other gem nodes along the way; why not take the time to harvest them too?  This botter is on the Antonia Bayle server so I'm wondering too if he (or another like him) is doing the same on other servers.

For a person doing the same repeatable task for hours upon hours, not responding to tells, only wearing non-tradeable gear (or nothing at all) sure speaks of a hacked account being used for bot harvesting purposes.

I set my bot to get every node it sees. All your rares are belonging to me!

[Koleg]

Calamoor@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Koleg@Unrest_old wrote:

Calamoor@Antonia Bayle wrote:

You just discribed about 75% of the people grinding AA or quests in the game in that one sentence.... Or god forbid 99.9% of the Trade Skillers.   Bot's one and all I say.  I've seen lots of people level trade skills or even harvest nodes or grind AA while whatching a movie while giving the EQ2 screen about 5% of their attention.  Highly repeatable activities, whether grinding spawn spots or a workbench doesn't demand much attention and the last thing someone efforting as such will most likely ignore you as much as they are ignoring everything else in the game.

Out of courisoity, why do you feel you deserve a /reply from your /tell in the first place.

I've been playing this game from almost day 1 and have come to be quite capable of spotting the difference between a player just harvesting / tradeskilling / adventuring to tell them apart from a botter or plat farmer.  Those that follow the EULA I'm happy to compete with and/or leave them be.  Sometimes the response from them confirms an active player that is just there to do what they need to.  Yes, they don't need to respond back but with a bot program running it either doesn't respond back or responds with a total wierd non-related response.  But I've rarely met anyone that doesn't respond back to a kind tell.

Just and FYI, before you call out the mounted police or expand your racial profiling, Gold Farmers are not breaking any EULA guidelines until they actually sell Plat for RL cash and even a certain proportion of that is readily over looked by the producers.

[Deathlove]

I actually read all the posts just to see what the fuss was about. And honestly there are valid concerns and even more BS here than anything.

1) naked harvesting, well perhaps.. the person in question used to be gold and came back, like myself and nothing

was equipable? and if you haven't taken the time to sort your stuff and buy unlockers then yea you may be pretty dern naked.

2) spending hours harvesting? been there done it myself.

so really IF you feel that urge to be the harvest police then by all means go ahead but some of these rash assumptions that mean it MUST be a bot omgz! are just silly.

3) and the GM in question I'm sure is more qualified than you to determine if it's a bot or not, if you reported them

and they are still there then let it go, or chase your tail quietly and don't keep QQ'ing about it.

[Koleg]

Deathlove wrote:

I actually read all the posts just to see what the fuss was about. And honestly there are valid concerns and even more BS here than anything.

1) naked harvesting, well perhaps.. the person in question used to be gold and came back, like myself and nothing

was equipable? and if you haven't taken the time to sort your stuff and buy unlockers then yea you may be pretty dern naked.

2) spending hours harvesting? been there done it myself.

so really IF you feel that urge to be the harvest police then by all means go ahead but some of these rash assumptions that mean it MUST be a bot omgz! are just silly.

3) and the GM in question I'm sure is more qualified than you to determine if it's a bot or not, if you reported them

and they are still there then let it go, or chase your tail quietly and don't keep QQ'ing about it.

4) Anyone who's first post is in support of bot harvesting, must be a bot themselves.  Conspiracy_101

[nrgyplant4666]

Deathlove wrote:

I actually read all the posts just to see what the fuss was about. And honestly there are valid concerns and even more BS here than anything.

1) naked harvesting, well perhaps.. the person in question used to be gold and came back, like myself and nothing

was equipable? and if you haven't taken the time to sort your stuff and buy unlockers then yea you may be pretty dern naked.

2) spending hours harvesting? been there done it myself.

so really IF you feel that urge to be the harvest police then by all means go ahead but some of these rash assumptions that mean it MUST be a bot omgz! are just silly.

3) and the GM in question I'm sure is more qualified than you to determine if it's a bot or not, if you reported them

and they are still there then let it go, or chase your tail quietly and don't keep QQ'ing about it.

You forgot 5) Anyone's who's first post in six years is ... bot!

[Starbuck1771]

Lempo@Everfrost wrote:

or maybe it is a F2P account and obviously not going to pay for unlockers?

They will not discuss action taken with you.

They will respond and investigate these reports, generally a tell is sent and some time to respond is given, I have witnessed action being taken on someone before, and saw the GM come into the zone hailing the guy running around him and jumping, probably to ensure that he didn't simply miss the tells, a few minutes later... 'poof' the offender disappeared.

This! Plus if you want to get technical the OP violated policy as well because you not supposed to post threads about GM/CSR resolutions.

Besides that even if they are AFK farming the GM's generaly will not do anything unless the afk person is causeing Game Disruption. The reason for that is because there are too many afker's for the few GM's SOE has to police them all. Head GM Moonlight has posted that in the past on forums no longer around.

Game disruption - If a player is disrupting game play, we will remove them. Disrupting game play is not defined as a group of players out in the middle of nowhere AFK killing random mobs at their spawn point. Game disruption only applies to players who are making it impossible to continue a quest line and things of that manner.- HeadGM Moonlight

[Kenazeer]

What is it with all the cheaters lately trying to justify themselves. That is doubtful a quote from a response to an EQ2 petition as EQ2s official policy is:

http://soe-ing.custhelp.com/app/ans...%20killing/p/20

Is it OK to gain exp while AFK?  No.   By taking advantage of (or exploiting) a game mechanic to advance a character with no input by the player, you are gaining an unfair advantage over others and are in violation of SOE policies.  Gaining experience while you are not at the keyboard is not intended gameplay and can result in disciplinary action taken upon your account.  Disciplinary action for unattended game play can include, but is not limited to; account warning, account suspension, and permanent account cancellation (ban).  If you are playing a pet class or have a mercenary and need to go AFK for an extended period of time (i.e. longer then a few moments), please make sure you are in a safe area away from where agro mobs wander or spawn.

I bolded the important part of the official EQ2 policy for all of you justifiers out there.

[Trevalon]

The simple fact of this whole thing is that botting is against the rules - which means there is absolutely no defense that anyone can put up for botting.

When you sign on you agree to Sony's rules - whether they enforce those rules or not is not relevant - the bot is still breaking the rules and should be punished accordingly.

Cops do not always pull every single speeder on the road that they see - it doesn't make you (the speeder) any less of a criminal (Speeding is a crime thusly, in the eyes of the law, you are a criminal while you speed) for speeding and the cops would have every right to pull you over and punish you for that activity.

Stop defending Botting - Its against the rules of EQ2 and that is all that matters.

[Skylan]

I like what you said, Trevalon.  The vast majority of people that defend illicit activity are avid speeders.  It's only a minor infraction though that has no direct effect on your life!  Idiotic mentality.

[Landiin]

Oh please, if there wasn't botters there wouldn't be enough rares on the market for people to buy and thus every one would be out harvesting and then you would be QQing about every one out harvesting. So in the end us botters are doing you a favor so kindly go about your harvesting and quit QQing. If people are running botter scripts that don't answer tells in vague ways then they deserve to be busted. Those of us that are in it for the money use real scripts.

[Mermut]

Toranx@Crushbone wrote:

Oh please, if there wasn't botters there wouldn't be enough rares on the market for people to buy and thus every one would be out harvesting and then you would be QQing about every one out harvesting. So in the end us botters are doing you a favor so kindly go about your harvesting and quit QQing. If people are running botter scripts that don't answer tells in vague ways then they deserve to be busted. Those of us that are in it for the money use real scripts.

Wow. Just.... wow.