New duping bug with colossal reactants? - Page 2

shots01 · 03-14-2012, 01:44 PM

Savonah wrote:

This is totally possible because they will be worthless soon. It's like getting inside trader info... Sell all my Ractant stock! Get what you can and run! Whew, out of the market now. I can relax.
hehehehe
But who knows how so many were gotten. *shrugs* I don't.

I'm reading all the replies here and this is another time someone has said that soon they will be worthless.

Why will colossals be worthless?

shots01 · 03-14-2012, 01:45 PM

CoLD MeTaL wrote:

shots01 wrote:
Coppan@Oasis wrote:
I'm quite disgusted that he has that many. I've only gotten 1 from tradeskill daily's and that was about 2 months ago. I have 5 lvl 90 crafters.. i've pretty much givin up hope on getting another so i dont do them everyday now.
^^ditto.
Yeah, tell me about it, 9 level 90 crafters 65 days now, 3 reactants.

Yeah, but you got 3. We only got 1. Gives you a fresh cupcake anyways.

CoLD MeTaL · 03-14-2012, 01:46 PM

shots01 wrote:

Savonah wrote:
This is totally possible because they will be worthless soon. It's like getting inside trader info... Sell all my Ractant stock! Get what you can and run! Whew, out of the market now. I can relax.
hehehehe
But who knows how so many were gotten. *shrugs* I don't.
I'm reading all the replies here and this is another time someone has said that soon they will be worthless.
Why will colossals be worthless?

Level cap in mid april goes to 92, that will make alllevel 90 anything basically worthless as we all know the 'new' mobs will totally ignore level 90 armor for whatever "new" gear check $OE places on new armor.

hansomepete · 03-14-2012, 01:54 PM

WHy oh why couoldnt that be on my server?!?! Iwould snatch two up realy quick. It's all I need not greedy. WOuldn't help me anyway, the second they found out about it they would just take it back anyway plus I would have lost 600 plat.

shots01 · 03-14-2012, 02:27 PM

CoLD MeTaL wrote:

shots01 wrote:
Savonah wrote:
This is totally possible because they will be worthless soon. It's like getting inside trader info... Sell all my Ractant stock! Get what you can and run! Whew, out of the market now. I can relax.
hehehehe
But who knows how so many were gotten. *shrugs* I don't.
I'm reading all the replies here and this is another time someone has said that soon they will be worthless.
Why will colossals be worthless?
Level cap in mid april goes to 92, that will make alllevel 90 anything basically worthless as we all know the 'new' mobs will totally ignore level 90 armor for whatever "new" gear check $OE places on new armor.

As I am not a raider and don't give a rat's patooie about gear, this doesn't affect me much.

But I am sure that there are many people that have spent countless hours getting themselves geared up that aren't going to be too happy with this.

I do hope at some point that the game gets a little more friendly in obtaining nice gear for people like me that just don't like to raid. But that is totall off subject.

Well, sorry to hear that these semi new nice items are not going to mean too much after the update.

Raknid · 03-14-2012, 02:34 PM

shots01 wrote:

CoLD MeTaL wrote:
shots01 wrote:
Savonah wrote:
This is totally possible because they will be worthless soon. It's like getting inside trader info... Sell all my Ractant stock! Get what you can and run! Whew, out of the market now. I can relax.
hehehehe
But who knows how so many were gotten. *shrugs* I don't.
I'm reading all the replies here and this is another time someone has said that soon they will be worthless.
Why will colossals be worthless?
Level cap in mid april goes to 92, that will make alllevel 90 anything basically worthless as we all know the 'new' mobs will totally ignore level 90 armor for whatever "new" gear check $OE places on new armor.
As I am not a raider and don't give a rat's patooie about gear, this doesn't affect me much.
But I am sure that there are many people that have spent countless hours getting themselves geared up that aren't going to be too happy with this.
I do hope at some point that the game gets a little more friendly in obtaining nice gear for people like me that just don't like to raid. But that is totall off subject.
Well, sorry to hear that these semi new nice items are not going to mean too much after the update.

What are you trying to do that you need raid gear? There is a ton of "nice" gear out there that can be done without raiding.

Elskidor · 03-14-2012, 02:46 PM

You can twink your toon pretty far right now without a single raid piece, and the gap between and EM raider and twinked non raider is pretty close all except the crit mit.

Nrgy · 03-14-2012, 02:54 PM

shots01 wrote:

As I am not a raider and don't give a rat's patooie about gear, this doesn't affect me much.
But I am sure that there are many people that have spent countless hours getting themselves geared up that aren't going to be too happy with this.
I do hope at some point that the game gets a little more friendly in obtaining nice gear for people like me that just don't like to raid. But that is totall off subject.
Well, sorry to hear that these semi new nice items are not going to mean too much after the update.

It's not a sad story, of course new land mass and new content will bring new rewards. In general this is a good thing for the game, it keeps the rats running on the wheel. There are only issues with RvR (Risk verses Reward) when new content comes out. When DOV launched quest gear was better than SF raid gear and that was w/o a level increase. When DOV 2.0 comes out we can expect something of the same model, although how drastic nobody has any idea yet.

I have felt for a long while now that the DOV 2.0 gear will be on par with the Master Crafted Colossal gear JUST LIKE the gear you can craft from the Aspect of War (Drunder) or the Shard of Magic or the other MC reactants. The difference will be that rather than dropping off of only top tier Heroic bosses in Drunder zones where few people adventure daily, they will start dropping out of ALL of the DOV 2.0 instanaces which will be cleared hundreds of times daily. On top of that, gear that is attained during the questing, Heroic, (new) TSAs or raiding will undoubtedly be equal to or better than the items from the Colossals. Maybe not from the first quest or the first zone, but certainly from quests, heroics, recipes or raids once you get a little deeper into it.

There is NO mystery why someone is dumping out of the colossal market two days before DOV 2.0 hits the test server. Nor is there any mystery, to me atleast, where all the Colossal's came from in the first place. I laugh everytime I see a "13 L90 crafters 3 months only 3 reactants" post. Mostly because those are truely Myopic in a F2P world reaching gaming environment. Especially so when you add in how trivial it is to spin the wheel each day spending 2 literally 2 minutes on each toon. If a real person, maybe with a job, spouce, school, kids, family can manage to do quests on 13 toons daily for 3 months (a total of 1100+ combines) imangine how many someone could do if they spend 10+ hours a day at it using F2P accounts, maybe 100 to 150 combines per day per employee. They have been controlling the market for a while now, but that time has now come to an end.

In the current model for gear ...

Thurgadin gear is free .. and fully supports EM raiding with full CM adornments
Ry'Gorr gear is nearly free (<300p) .. and fully supports EM raiding with full CM adornments
- Buy Gems if you don't feel that breaks any non-SLR morality
Drunder gear can be expensive, but is nearly sa good as EM raiding gear
- Buy Ore if you don't feel that breaks any non-SLR morality
EM Raid gear
- Buy thru SLR if your not morally opposed, the price has really fallen into the basement lately.

So, if non-Raiders are looking for gear, I'd suggest getting the Thurgadin gear from the crafters which is good enough for anything DOV launch offers. There is no need to get gear better than that unless your raiding and that includes being able to solo or duo nearly every SF heroic and some older raids.

CoLD MeTaL · 03-14-2012, 03:08 PM

Nrgy wrote:

...In the current model for gear ...
Thurgadin gear is free .. and fully supports EM raiding with full CM adornments
Ry'Gorr gear is nearly free (<300p) .. and fully supports EM raiding with full CM adornments
Buy Gems if you don't feel that breaks any non-SLR morality
Drunder gear can be expensive, but is nearly sa good as EM raiding gear
Buy Ore if you don't feel that breaks any non-SLR morality
EM Raid gear
Buy thru SLR if your not morally opposed, the price has really fallen into the basement lately.
So, if non-Raiders are looking for gear, I'd suggest getting the Thurgadin gear from the crafters which is good enough for anything DOV launch offers. There is no need to get gear better than that unless your raiding and that includes being able to solo or duo nearly every SF heroic and some older raids.

The problem with your little 'progression' piece there, is Breastplates. Which makes the entire rant completely false.

Vitriol · 03-14-2012, 03:11 PM

CoLD MeTaL wrote:

Nrgy wrote:
...In the current model for gear ...
Thurgadin gear is free .. and fully supports EM raiding with full CM adornments
Ry'Gorr gear is nearly free (<300p) .. and fully supports EM raiding with full CM adornments
Buy Gems if you don't feel that breaks any non-SLR morality
Drunder gear can be expensive, but is nearly sa good as EM raiding gear
Buy Ore if you don't feel that breaks any non-SLR morality
EM Raid gear
Buy thru SLR if your not morally opposed, the price has really fallen into the basement lately.
So, if non-Raiders are looking for gear, I'd suggest getting the Thurgadin gear from the crafters which is good enough for anything DOV launch offers. There is no need to get gear better than that unless your raiding and that includes being able to solo or duo nearly every SF heroic and some older raids.
The problem with your little 'progression' piece there, is Breastplates. Which makes the entire rant completely false.

There's a free BP from public quests

Nrgy · 03-14-2012, 03:14 PM

CoLD MeTaL wrote:

Nrgy wrote:
...In the current model for gear ...
Thurgadin gear is free .. and fully supports EM raiding with full CM adornments
Ry'Gorr gear is nearly free (<300p) .. and fully supports EM raiding with full CM adornments
Buy Gems if you don't feel that breaks any non-SLR morality
Drunder gear can be expensive, but is nearly sa good as EM raiding gear
Buy Ore if you don't feel that breaks any non-SLR morality
EM Raid gear
Buy thru SLR if your not morally opposed, the price has really fallen into the basement lately.
So, if non-Raiders are looking for gear, I'd suggest getting the Thurgadin gear from the crafters which is good enough for anything DOV launch offers. There is no need to get gear better than that unless your raiding and that includes being able to solo or duo nearly every SF heroic and some older raids.
The problem with your little 'progression' piece there, is Breastplates. Which makes the entire rant completely false.

Again with the "I can't do the content without the gear from the zone"... your story is getting old, sorry.

There are 3 chest pieces available before anyone ever has to step a pinky toe into a dungeon in DOV. One from the Icy Fingers quests, a better one from the Ry'Gorr (Thry'Gorr) quests and an even better one from the PQ. Any of those three can be gotten solo and without effort and are ALL good enough for every Heroic until you get to Drunder in which case you can get an upgraded chest pices .. 2 from Fortress Spire and one from temple all which can be completed in Thurgadin or Ry'Gorr gear.

Elskidor · 03-14-2012, 03:16 PM

If you gear up the rest of the way then you'll be able to solo plenty for fat plat chests and have enough for a colossal in a few days, maybe one day depending on how much time you have for a play session. That BP is pretty nice.

Onorem · 03-14-2012, 03:19 PM

Nrgy wrote:

CoLD MeTaL wrote:
Nrgy wrote:
...In the current model for gear ...
Thurgadin gear is free .. and fully supports EM raiding with full CM adornments
Ry'Gorr gear is nearly free (<300p) .. and fully supports EM raiding with full CM adornments
Buy Gems if you don't feel that breaks any non-SLR morality
Drunder gear can be expensive, but is nearly sa good as EM raiding gear
Buy Ore if you don't feel that breaks any non-SLR morality
EM Raid gear
Buy thru SLR if your not morally opposed, the price has really fallen into the basement lately.
So, if non-Raiders are looking for gear, I'd suggest getting the Thurgadin gear from the crafters which is good enough for anything DOV launch offers. There is no need to get gear better than that unless your raiding and that includes being able to solo or duo nearly every SF heroic and some older raids.
The problem with your little 'progression' piece there, is Breastplates. Which makes the entire rant completely false.
Again with the "I can't do the content without the gear from the zone"... your story is getting old, sorry.
There are 3 chest pieces available before anyone ever has to step a pinky toe into a dungeon in DOV. One from the Icy Fingers quests, a better one from the Ry'Gorr (Thry'Gorr) quests and an even better one from the PQ. Any of those three can be gotten solo and without effort and are ALL good enough for every Heroic until you get to Drunder in which case you can get an upgraded chest pices .. 2 from Fortress Spire and one from temple all which can be completed in Thurgadin or Ry'Gorr gear.

4 if you're evil..and the Freeport questline BP is better than any of them. On par with heroic options depending on class.

shots01 · 03-14-2012, 03:32 PM

Nrgy wrote:

CoLD MeTaL wrote:
Nrgy wrote:
...In the current model for gear ...
Thurgadin gear is free .. and fully supports EM raiding with full CM adornments
Ry'Gorr gear is nearly free (<300p) .. and fully supports EM raiding with full CM adornments
Buy Gems if you don't feel that breaks any non-SLR morality
Drunder gear can be expensive, but is nearly sa good as EM raiding gear
Buy Ore if you don't feel that breaks any non-SLR morality
EM Raid gear
Buy thru SLR if your not morally opposed, the price has really fallen into the basement lately.
So, if non-Raiders are looking for gear, I'd suggest getting the Thurgadin gear from the crafters which is good enough for anything DOV launch offers. There is no need to get gear better than that unless your raiding and that includes being able to solo or duo nearly every SF heroic and some older raids.
The problem with your little 'progression' piece there, is Breastplates. Which makes the entire rant completely false.
Again with the "I can't do the content without the gear from the zone"... your story is getting old, sorry.
There are 3 chest pieces available before anyone ever has to step a pinky toe into a dungeon in DOV. One from the Icy Fingers quests, a better one from the Ry'Gorr (Thry'Gorr) quests and an even better one from the PQ. Any of those three can be gotten solo and without effort and are ALL good enough for every Heroic until you get to Drunder in which case you can get an upgraded chest pices .. 2 from Fortress Spire and one from temple all which can be completed in Thurgadin or Ry'Gorr gear.

The RW pq? I have run it numerous times and never seen the priest BP. Icy Fingers.. what is that? As for fortress spire, I have no desire to go through that mess again. Twice was more than enough for me.

I have the thurgadin gear. I was able to get the book from the TS instance. But didn't notice if there was a chest piece in there.

Saving up progress potions LOl to go back in and try for the rygor book.

I am not sure what quest chains you are referring to with Icy Fingers and Ry'Gorr..

Zmobie · 03-14-2012, 03:32 PM

Nrgy wrote:

There is NO mystery why someone is dumping out of the colossal market two days before DOV 2.0 hits the test server. Nor is there any mystery, to me atleast, where all the Colossal's came from in the first place. I laugh everytime I see a "13 L90 crafters 3 months only 3 reactants" post. Mostly because those are truely Myopic in a F2P world reaching gaming environment. Especially so when you add in how trivial it is to spin the wheel each day spending 2 literally 2 minutes on each toon. If a real person, maybe with a job, spouce, school, kids, family can manage to do quests on 13 toons daily for 3 months (a total of 1100+ combines) imangine how many someone could do if they spend 10+ hours a day at it using F2P accounts, maybe 100 to 150 combines per day per employee. They have been controlling the market for a while now, but that time has now come to an end.

Ok, let me see if I understand what you are saying here. In your opinion, this sudden, overnight glut in Colossals, on one server, from one person, is due to a legion of people (or even just one person) making an army of tradeskillers then getting Colossals from the daily "help your apprentice" tasks, using F2P accounts?

I see many problems with this. The only way you can get a Colossal Reactanct from these tasks is to be a level 90 crafter. So each F2P crafter would have to have been leveled up to 90. Each would still only have the same chance any other level 90 crafter has to get one. I only have 4, but have been doing the daily every day since it came out, and have had ZERO reactants as a reward; my GF has 3, and has received 2 reactants. This seems about on par with other reported rates. So, it would really have to be basically an army of F2P accounts, all level 90, doing the task daily, then for some reason stockpiling all of them, only to dump them all at once, for bargin-basement rates.

That just doesn't make any sense to me.

Nor does your hypotheticall 100-150 combines/day. Even if there was only one "employee", that would imply they have 100-150 level 90 crafters. 17-25 F2P accounts per employee.

However, someone finding a dupe, making 300+ reactants from it, and trying to strike while the iron is hot and dropping them all on the broker does.

As for the whole idea that these are going to be "worthless" after the level increase, it's just silly. Even the level 30 reactants, which I can get 2-10 a night mentoring and farming names, are going for 6+ plat each. Sure, the Colossals might drop in price to a more realistic number, but it will be a far cry from "worthless".

--Nibs

CoLD MeTaL · 03-14-2012, 03:36 PM

Nibaazi@Everfrost wrote:

...
--Nibs

They did also drop in heroic DoV zones, to which he is saying that someone was basically farming them from heroic zones and letting them out slowly to the market to keep prices up. but now knows they are going to be upped in quantity and is just 'dumping' them.

Onorem · 03-14-2012, 03:39 PM

Nibaazi@Everfrost wrote:

Nrgy wrote:
There is NO mystery why someone is dumping out of the colossal market two days before DOV 2.0 hits the test server. Nor is there any mystery, to me atleast, where all the Colossal's came from in the first place. I laugh everytime I see a "13 L90 crafters 3 months only 3 reactants" post. Mostly because those are truely Myopic in a F2P world reaching gaming environment. Especially so when you add in how trivial it is to spin the wheel each day spending 2 literally 2 minutes on each toon. If a real person, maybe with a job, spouce, school, kids, family can manage to do quests on 13 toons daily for 3 months (a total of 1100+ combines) imangine how many someone could do if they spend 10+ hours a day at it using F2P accounts, maybe 100 to 150 combines per day per employee. They have been controlling the market for a while now, but that time has now come to an end.
Ok, let me see if I understand what you are saying here. In your opinion, this sudden, overnight glut in Colossals, on one server, from one person, is due to a legion of people (or even just one person) making an army of tradeskillers then getting Colossals from the daily "help your apprentice" tasks, using F2P accounts?
I see many problems with this. The only way you can get a Colossal Reactanct from these tasks is to be a level 90 crafter. So each F2P crafter would have to have been leveled up to 90. Each would still only have the same chance any other level 90 crafter has to get one. I only have 4, but have been doing the daily every day since it came out, and have had ZERO reactants as a reward; my GF has 3, and has received 2 reactants. This seems about on par with other reported rates. So, it would really have to be basically an army of F2P accounts, all level 90, doing the task daily, then for some reason stockpiling all of them, only to dump them all at once, for bargin-basement rates.
That just doesn't make any sense to me.
Nor does your hypotheticall 100-150 combines/day. Even if there was only one "employee", that would imply they have 100-150 level 90 crafters. 17-25 F2P accounts per employee.
However, someone finding a dupe, making 300+ reactants from it, and trying to strike while the iron is hot and dropping them all on the broker does.
As for the whole idea that these are going to be "worthless" after the level increase, it's just silly. Even the level 30 reactants, which I can get 2-10 a night mentoring and farming names, are going for 6+ plat each. Sure, the Colossals might drop in price to a more realistic number, but it will be a far cry from "worthless".
--Nibs

Plus, if I'm not mistaken, you need AoD to have an apprentice. Mass amounts of F2P accounts that drop $40 a pop to level crafters to 90 for the rare chance of daily reactants...and then massively undercut the market.

Only 2 scenarios make sense to me.

1. Someone found a way to exploit the system and was too stupid to benefit from it without making it obvious.

2. Someone with lots of plat decided to buy up the market and sell cheap as they finalize their exit from the game.

Zmobie · 03-14-2012, 03:43 PM

CoLD MeTaL wrote:

Nibaazi@Everfrost wrote:
...
--Nibs
They did also drop in heroic DoV zones, to which he is saying that someone was basically farming them from heroic zones and letting them out slowly to the market to keep prices up. but now knows they are going to be upped in quantity and is just 'dumping' them.

He clearly states, in the section I quoted, but you snipped, only details about Tradekill gained Colossals. No mention at all of adventuring. And in any case.... I'd say the DoV content-dropped ones are just as rare as the TS ones. I've never gotten one, in all the zones I've run with 4 active 90s; and I've only seen a handful drop from anyone in my guild in this time. I've actually seen more from guildies doing the TS dailies than anyne running zones.

Still. It again makes no sense that someone was holding on to these, bleeding them out slowly to make the most profit possible and not "spook the market"... then suddenly dropped them all on the the broker at 1/3rd the previous price. Especially since I've not seen any information that says they are suddenly going to become more common. Nothing on test, nothing in the notes, just the level cap increase of a whopping 2 levels, which will hardly make them worthless.

--Nibs

bks6721 · 03-14-2012, 03:47 PM

Meube@Splitpaw wrote:

You can twink your toon pretty far right now without a single raid piece, and the gap between and EM raider and twinked non raider is pretty close all except the crit mit.

yeah.. my SK, who has never grouped, raided or bought auction gear is nearly 50k in health, 240 ma, 220cc, 190cm. All he does is dou with my wife in zones that we can manage to dou, which is Pools, half of ISK, some of Kael contested. We can't get far into ToFS thanks to scripts. All his gear is either broker junk or Collosal items that I made myself when I get lucky on the daily.

Nrgy · 03-14-2012, 03:51 PM

Nibaazi@Everfrost wrote:

Nrgy wrote:
There is NO mystery why someone is dumping out of the colossal market two days before DOV 2.0 hits the test server. Nor is there any mystery, to me atleast, where all the Colossal's came from in the first place. I laugh everytime I see a "13 L90 crafters 3 months only 3 reactants" post. Mostly because those are truely Myopic in a F2P world reaching gaming environment. Especially so when you add in how trivial it is to spin the wheel each day spending 2 literally 2 minutes on each toon. If a real person, maybe with a job, spouce, school, kids, family can manage to do quests on 13 toons daily for 3 months (a total of 1100+ combines) imangine how many someone could do if they spend 10+ hours a day at it using F2P accounts, maybe 100 to 150 combines per day per employee. They have been controlling the market for a while now, but that time has now come to an end.
Ok, let me see if I understand what you are saying here. In your opinion, this sudden, overnight glut in Colossals, on one server, from one person, is due to a legion of people (or even just one person) making an army of tradeskillers then getting Colossals from the daily "help your apprentice" tasks, using F2P accounts?
I see many problems with this. The only way you can get a Colossal Reactanct from these tasks is to be a level 90 crafter. So each F2P crafter would have to have been leveled up to 90. Each would still only have the same chance any other level 90 crafter has to get one. I only have 4, but have been doing the daily every day since it came out, and have had ZERO reactants as a reward; my GF has 3, and has received 2 reactants. This seems about on par with other reported rates. So, it would really have to be basically an army of F2P accounts, all level 90, doing the task daily, then for some reason stockpiling all of them, only to dump them all at once, for bargin-basement rates.
That just doesn't make any sense to me.
Nor does your hypotheticall 100-150 combines/day. Even if there was only one "employee", that would imply they have 100-150 level 90 crafters. 17-25 F2P accounts per employee.
However, someone finding a dupe, making 300+ reactants from it, and trying to strike while the iron is hot and dropping them all on the broker does.
As for the whole idea that these are going to be "worthless" after the level increase, it's just silly. Even the level 30 reactants, which I can get 2-10 a night mentoring and farming names, are going for 6+ plat each. Sure, the Colossals might drop in price to a more realistic number, but it will be a far cry from "worthless".
--Nibs

First off, it takes less than 3 days to level a crafter from 1 to 90 and it takes less than 5 minutes to run the TSA help quest. F2P accounts are, well, free w/o limit. Further more, EQ2 runs just as good on a P4+ with 1 gig of ram that anyone can buy from the Salvation Army store for 50 bucks.

Secondly, AOD has been out for 3 months, almost 100 days, and out of the thousands of people out there doing TSA quests they seem to average 1 colossal per 100 to 150 combines. Using the one "employee" scenario that means 1 person could easily complete 100 to 150 TSA quests per day in an 8 to 10 hour window. Thus one person could easily average 1 colossal reactant per day, which would have netted them nearly 100 colossals since launch. Add one more person and you'll double that number. Add 100 people and that number is astronomically nearing 1,000 colossals.

Flooding the market is not the best way to make Plat. Spoon feeding the demand of colosslas to the masses in a controled format will secure the price will stay where the seller wants it to be. Add that to the fact the the lucky TS'ers that get one or two will have to decide if the item is worth nearly 1,000 plat. Assuming that some of those TS'ers are not hardcore plat farmers, the vision of 1,000 plat starts to look very appealing, but assume they use their first and sell thier second, if they are lucky enough to get a second. Those TS'ers do not want the price to drop just as much as the plat sellers want the price to be controled.

Then all of a sudden, BOOM, DOV 2.0 is announced to hit the test server on 3/17 and on 3/15 the market is FLOODED. I highly doubt that is anything close to a Duping bug that has not yet been discovered by the other thousnads of players all doing the racing towards the same goals, just at a much smaller scale.... Gordom Geko "Greed is Good". SOE would know if someone was duping, just like with the PVP duping mess.

...

I also agree the colossals will not become worthless, but they will no longer be worth 700 - 1000 plat once DOV 2.0 launches. Aspects of War still sell in the 250p ranges, I'd expect colossals to be in the same general neighborhood.

bks6721 · 03-14-2012, 03:52 PM

Nrgy wrote:

CoLD MeTaL wrote:
Nrgy wrote:
...In the current model for gear ...
Thurgadin gear is free .. and fully supports EM raiding with full CM adornments
Ry'Gorr gear is nearly free (<300p) .. and fully supports EM raiding with full CM adornments
Buy Gems if you don't feel that breaks any non-SLR morality
Drunder gear can be expensive, but is nearly sa good as EM raiding gear
Buy Ore if you don't feel that breaks any non-SLR morality
EM Raid gear
Buy thru SLR if your not morally opposed, the price has really fallen into the basement lately.
So, if non-Raiders are looking for gear, I'd suggest getting the Thurgadin gear from the crafters which is good enough for anything DOV launch offers. There is no need to get gear better than that unless your raiding and that includes being able to solo or duo nearly every SF heroic and some older raids.
The problem with your little 'progression' piece there, is Breastplates. Which makes the entire rant completely false.
Again with the "I can't do the content without the gear from the zone"... your story is getting old, sorry.
There are 3 chest pieces available before anyone ever has to step a pinky toe into a dungeon in DOV. One from the Icy Fingers quests, a better one from the Ry'Gorr (Thry'Gorr) quests and an even better one from the PQ. Any of those three can be gotten solo and without effort and are ALL good enough for every Heroic until you get to Drunder in which case you can get an upgraded chest pices .. 2 from Fortress Spire and one from temple all which can be completed in Thurgadin or Ry'Gorr gear.

4 if you count the one you get doing the griffon quest.

Nrgy · 03-14-2012, 03:59 PM

Onorem wrote:

Plus, if I'm not mistaken, you need AoD to have an apprentice. Mass amounts of F2P accounts that drop $40 a pop to level crafters to 90 for the rare chance of daily reactants...and then massively undercut the market.
Only 2 scenarios make sense to me.
1. Someone found a way to exploit the system and was too stupid to benefit from it without making it obvious.
2. Someone with lots of plat decided to buy up the market and sell cheap as they finalize their exit from the game.

Plat farmers do not need to actually give SOE money under the F2P model. They can simply buy SC with the farmed plat and use the SC to buy AOD. The seed money would be buying one copy of AOD to get the ball rolling which they can do for $9.97. As bad as plat farming is or having "employees" doing your work, it is not against the ELUA becasue it is all still gameplay which we all do daily, they just do it to the Nth degree. Duping is traceable and bannable. Having 500 F2P accounts or 1000 TS'ers is not.

Pauly@Befallen wrote:

4 if you count the one you get doing the griffon quest.

Forgot about that one ... thx, that make 5 Lego BPs that require zero heroic content to get.

Onorem · 03-14-2012, 04:05 PM

Nrgy wrote:

Onorem wrote:
Plus, if I'm not mistaken, you need AoD to have an apprentice. Mass amounts of F2P accounts that drop $40 a pop to level crafters to 90 for the rare chance of daily reactants...and then massively undercut the market.
Only 2 scenarios make sense to me.
1. Someone found a way to exploit the system and was too stupid to benefit from it without making it obvious.
2. Someone with lots of plat decided to buy up the market and sell cheap as they finalize their exit from the game.
Plat farmers do not need to actually give SOE money under the F2P model. They can simply buy SC with the farmed plat and use the SC to buy AOD. The seed money would be buying one copy of AOD to get the ball rolling which they can do for $9.97. As bad as plat farming is or having "employees" doing your work, it is not against the ELUA becasue it is all still gameplay which we all do daily, they just do it to the Nth degree. Duping is traceable and bannable. Having 500 F2P accounts or 1000 TS'ers is not.

I hadn't thought of the buying with SC...so you do have a point there. It still makes no sense to lump them all on one seller and massively undercut the market. That's SOE level stupidity. Spread them out and lower the price. Get into a 'bidding' war with yourself on a few dozen accounts.

Teleboas · 03-14-2012, 04:14 PM

I haven't read through all of the comments, but just as an update...

The guy that was selling all of these for so incredibly cheap yesterday, deleted the toon that he was selling them on.

Trying to add him as a /friend now gets a "User does not exist".

Also, according to other people that were around yesterday and saw the huge amount he was selling...he was also selling a large amount of other rares for very cheap.

Raknid · 03-14-2012, 04:16 PM

I wonder if anyone bought them and whether they were really collosals?

Here is something weird that happened a while back. There was some bug where everything I linked out of one bag would pull up as another item...didn't matter what it was...and anyone who clicked on the link saw the same item...which means as far as the game seemed concerned it was something completely different than what was actually in my bag.

If I remember right this cleared up when I logged.

Now... if someone figured out how to do this intentionally, say by editing some kind of hex in the active memory, I guess they could theoretically place them on the broker and sell them?

Teleboas · 03-14-2012, 04:19 PM

As far as if they were really colossal and if people bought them, yes to both. Quite a few on the server watched them listed, and watched them be sold very, very quick. When he put them up, they would only last a matter of minutes. Someone else said that they saw him list a stack of 200 at least 3 times.

Well, I should correct this. The first stack he put up actually took a bit to sell since he started at 500p, and would constantly undercut anyone that put one up. They were up for an hour or two. Once the chatter started in open chat about it though, people started watching for him to post more and started to buy them as soon as he did.

bks6721 · 03-14-2012, 04:23 PM

conspiracy theory... disgruntled employee

Nrgy · 03-14-2012, 04:23 PM

Onorem wrote:

I hadn't thought of the buying with SC...so you do have a point there. It still makes no sense to lump them all on one seller and massively undercut the market. That's SOE level stupidity. Spread them out and lower the price. Get into a 'bidding' war with yourself on a few dozen accounts.

There are plat limits on F2P accounts, so someone would need at least one SC:Sub'ed account for the broker access and the plat collection. Why have more than one when your either slowly releasing them for high margins or dumping them in a firesale.

Onorem · 03-14-2012, 04:28 PM

Nrgy wrote:

Onorem wrote:
I hadn't thought of the buying with SC...so you do have a point there. It still makes no sense to lump them all on one seller and massively undercut the market. That's SOE level stupidity. Spread them out and lower the price. Get into a 'bidding' war with yourself on a few dozen accounts.
There are plat limits on F2P accounts, so someone would need at least one SC:Sub'ed account for the broker access and the plat collection. Why have more than one when your either slowly releasing them for high margins or dumping them in a firesale.

If we're assuming AoD bought with all the loads of plat for SC trades, I'd expect that they could afford a months sub with that same SC on several accounts. Making it obvious does nothing good for the accounts in question. They'll just get shut down and lose all the plat.

Minzi · 03-14-2012, 04:34 PM

Teleboas wrote:

I haven't read through all of the comments, but just as an update...
The guy that was selling all of these for so incredibly cheap yesterday, deleted the toon that he was selling them on.
Trying to add him as a /friend now gets a "User does not exist".
Also, according to other people that were around yesterday and saw the huge amount he was selling...he was also selling a large amount of other rares for very cheap.

With that added, it sounds more like someone found a way to reset the timer on the apprentice quest, then scripted something to make and turn in thousands of aprons or whatever.

The gold farmer making hundreds of F2P accounts thing would work as well, of course, but I don't think there's enough value in eq2 platinum these days to warrant it; you're looking at getting maybe $50 worth of plat from each colossal after a staggering amount of startup work and cost - and even if you're buying AoD with SC earned from farming plat, you're still incurring a cost through loss of inventory. With that amount of effort, you'd be better served to do it in a game with a young economy.

03-14-2012, 01:44 PM	#31
shots01 Lord Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 452	Savonah wrote: This is totally possible because they will be worthless soon. It's like getting inside trader info... Sell all my Ractant stock! Get what you can and run! Whew, out of the market now. I can relax. hehehehe But who knows how so many were gotten. shrugs I don't. I'm reading all the replies here and this is another time someone has said that soon they will be worthless. Why will colossals be worthless?

03-14-2012, 01:45 PM	#32
shots01 Lord Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 452	CoLD MeTaL wrote: shots01 wrote: Coppan@Oasis wrote: I'm quite disgusted that he has that many. I've only gotten 1 from tradeskill daily's and that was about 2 months ago. I have 5 lvl 90 crafters.. i've pretty much givin up hope on getting another so i dont do them everyday now. ^^ditto. Yeah, tell me about it, 9 level 90 crafters 65 days now, 3 reactants. Yeah, but you got 3. We only got 1. Gives you a fresh cupcake anyways.

03-14-2012, 01:46 PM	#33
CoLD MeTaL Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,217	shots01 wrote: Savonah wrote: This is totally possible because they will be worthless soon. It's like getting inside trader info... Sell all my Ractant stock! Get what you can and run! Whew, out of the market now. I can relax. hehehehe But who knows how so many were gotten. shrugs I don't. I'm reading all the replies here and this is another time someone has said that soon they will be worthless. Why will colossals be worthless? Level cap in mid april goes to 92, that will make alllevel 90 anything basically worthless as we all know the 'new' mobs will totally ignore level 90 armor for whatever "new" gear check $OE places on new armor. __________________

03-14-2012, 02:27 PM	#35
shots01 Lord Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 452	CoLD MeTaL wrote: shots01 wrote: Savonah wrote: This is totally possible because they will be worthless soon. It's like getting inside trader info... Sell all my Ractant stock! Get what you can and run! Whew, out of the market now. I can relax. hehehehe But who knows how so many were gotten. shrugs I don't. I'm reading all the replies here and this is another time someone has said that soon they will be worthless. Why will colossals be worthless? Level cap in mid april goes to 92, that will make alllevel 90 anything basically worthless as we all know the 'new' mobs will totally ignore level 90 armor for whatever "new" gear check $OE places on new armor. As I am not a raider and don't give a rat's patooie about gear, this doesn't affect me much. But I am sure that there are many people that have spent countless hours getting themselves geared up that aren't going to be too happy with this. I do hope at some point that the game gets a little more friendly in obtaining nice gear for people like me that just don't like to raid. But that is totall off subject. Well, sorry to hear that these semi new nice items are not going to mean too much after the update.

03-14-2012, 02:34 PM	#36
Raknid Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,421	shots01 wrote: CoLD MeTaL wrote: shots01 wrote: Savonah wrote: This is totally possible because they will be worthless soon. It's like getting inside trader info... Sell all my Ractant stock! Get what you can and run! Whew, out of the market now. I can relax. hehehehe But who knows how so many were gotten. shrugs I don't. I'm reading all the replies here and this is another time someone has said that soon they will be worthless. Why will colossals be worthless? Level cap in mid april goes to 92, that will make alllevel 90 anything basically worthless as we all know the 'new' mobs will totally ignore level 90 armor for whatever "new" gear check $OE places on new armor. As I am not a raider and don't give a rat's patooie about gear, this doesn't affect me much. But I am sure that there are many people that have spent countless hours getting themselves geared up that aren't going to be too happy with this. I do hope at some point that the game gets a little more friendly in obtaining nice gear for people like me that just don't like to raid. But that is totall off subject. Well, sorry to hear that these semi new nice items are not going to mean too much after the update. What are you trying to do that you need raid gear? There is a ton of "nice" gear out there that can be done without raiding.

03-14-2012, 01:54 PM	#34
hansomepete Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 229	WHy oh why couoldnt that be on my server?!?! Iwould snatch two up realy quick. It's all I need not greedy. WOuldn't help me anyway, the second they found out about it they would just take it back anyway plus I would have lost 600 plat.

03-14-2012, 02:46 PM	#37
Elskidor Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 509	You can twink your toon pretty far right now without a single raid piece, and the gap between and EM raider and twinked non raider is pretty close all except the crit mit.

03-14-2012, 02:54 PM	#38
Nrgy Lord Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,338	shots01 wrote: As I am not a raider and don't give a rat's patooie about gear, this doesn't affect me much. But I am sure that there are many people that have spent countless hours getting themselves geared up that aren't going to be too happy with this. I do hope at some point that the game gets a little more friendly in obtaining nice gear for people like me that just don't like to raid. But that is totall off subject. Well, sorry to hear that these semi new nice items are not going to mean too much after the update. It's not a sad story, of course new land mass and new content will bring new rewards. In general this is a good thing for the game, it keeps the rats running on the wheel. There are only issues with RvR (Risk verses Reward) when new content comes out. When DOV launched quest gear was better than SF raid gear and that was w/o a level increase. When DOV 2.0 comes out we can expect something of the same model, although how drastic nobody has any idea yet. I have felt for a long while now that the DOV 2.0 gear will be on par with the Master Crafted Colossal gear JUST LIKE the gear you can craft from the Aspect of War (Drunder) or the Shard of Magic or the other MC reactants. The difference will be that rather than dropping off of only top tier Heroic bosses in Drunder zones where few people adventure daily, they will start dropping out of ALL of the DOV 2.0 instanaces which will be cleared hundreds of times daily. On top of that, gear that is attained during the questing, Heroic, (new) TSAs or raiding will undoubtedly be equal to or better than the items from the Colossals. Maybe not from the first quest or the first zone, but certainly from quests, heroics, recipes or raids once you get a little deeper into it. There is NO mystery why someone is dumping out of the colossal market two days before DOV 2.0 hits the test server. Nor is there any mystery, to me atleast, where all the Colossal's came from in the first place. I laugh everytime I see a "13 L90 crafters 3 months only 3 reactants" post. Mostly because those are truely Myopic in a F2P world reaching gaming environment. Especially so when you add in how trivial it is to spin the wheel each day spending 2 literally 2 minutes on each toon. If a real person, maybe with a job, spouce, school, kids, family can manage to do quests on 13 toons daily for 3 months (a total of 1100+ combines) imangine how many someone could do if they spend 10+ hours a day at it using F2P accounts, maybe 100 to 150 combines per day per employee. They have been controlling the market for a while now, but that time has now come to an end. In the current model for gear ... Thurgadin gear is free .. and fully supports EM raiding with full CM adornments Ry'Gorr gear is nearly free (<300p) .. and fully supports EM raiding with full CM adornments Buy Gems if you don't feel that breaks any non-SLR morality Drunder gear can be expensive, but is nearly sa good as EM raiding gear Buy Ore if you don't feel that breaks any non-SLR morality EM Raid gear Buy thru SLR if your not morally opposed, the price has really fallen into the basement lately. So, if non-Raiders are looking for gear, I'd suggest getting the Thurgadin gear from the crafters which is good enough for anything DOV launch offers. There is no need to get gear better than that unless your raiding and that includes being able to solo or duo nearly every SF heroic and some older raids.

03-14-2012, 03:08 PM	#39
CoLD MeTaL Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,217	Nrgy wrote: ...In the current model for gear ... Thurgadin gear is free .. and fully supports EM raiding with full CM adornments Ry'Gorr gear is nearly free (<300p) .. and fully supports EM raiding with full CM adornments Buy Gems if you don't feel that breaks any non-SLR morality Drunder gear can be expensive, but is nearly sa good as EM raiding gear Buy Ore if you don't feel that breaks any non-SLR morality EM Raid gear Buy thru SLR if your not morally opposed, the price has really fallen into the basement lately. So, if non-Raiders are looking for gear, I'd suggest getting the Thurgadin gear from the crafters which is good enough for anything DOV launch offers. There is no need to get gear better than that unless your raiding and that includes being able to solo or duo nearly every SF heroic and some older raids. The problem with your little 'progression' piece there, is Breastplates. Which makes the entire rant completely false. __________________

03-14-2012, 03:11 PM	#40
Vitriol Server: Splitpaw Guild: Knights of the White Shield Rank: Initiate Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 320	CoLD MeTaL wrote: Nrgy wrote: ...In the current model for gear ... Thurgadin gear is free .. and fully supports EM raiding with full CM adornments Ry'Gorr gear is nearly free (<300p) .. and fully supports EM raiding with full CM adornments Buy Gems if you don't feel that breaks any non-SLR morality Drunder gear can be expensive, but is nearly sa good as EM raiding gear Buy Ore if you don't feel that breaks any non-SLR morality EM Raid gear Buy thru SLR if your not morally opposed, the price has really fallen into the basement lately. So, if non-Raiders are looking for gear, I'd suggest getting the Thurgadin gear from the crafters which is good enough for anything DOV launch offers. There is no need to get gear better than that unless your raiding and that includes being able to solo or duo nearly every SF heroic and some older raids. The problem with your little 'progression' piece there, is Breastplates. Which makes the entire rant completely false. There's a free BP from public quests

03-14-2012, 03:14 PM	#41
Nrgy Lord Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,338	CoLD MeTaL wrote: Nrgy wrote: ...In the current model for gear ... Thurgadin gear is free .. and fully supports EM raiding with full CM adornments Ry'Gorr gear is nearly free (<300p) .. and fully supports EM raiding with full CM adornments Buy Gems if you don't feel that breaks any non-SLR morality Drunder gear can be expensive, but is nearly sa good as EM raiding gear Buy Ore if you don't feel that breaks any non-SLR morality EM Raid gear Buy thru SLR if your not morally opposed, the price has really fallen into the basement lately. So, if non-Raiders are looking for gear, I'd suggest getting the Thurgadin gear from the crafters which is good enough for anything DOV launch offers. There is no need to get gear better than that unless your raiding and that includes being able to solo or duo nearly every SF heroic and some older raids. The problem with your little 'progression' piece there, is Breastplates. Which makes the entire rant completely false. Again with the "I can't do the content without the gear from the zone"... your story is getting old, sorry. There are 3 chest pieces available before anyone ever has to step a pinky toe into a dungeon in DOV. One from the Icy Fingers quests, a better one from the Ry'Gorr (Thry'Gorr) quests and an even better one from the PQ. Any of those three can be gotten solo and without effort and are ALL good enough for every Heroic until you get to Drunder in which case you can get an upgraded chest pices .. 2 from Fortress Spire and one from temple all which can be completed in Thurgadin or Ry'Gorr gear.

03-14-2012, 03:16 PM	#42
Elskidor Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 509	If you gear up the rest of the way then you'll be able to solo plenty for fat plat chests and have enough for a colossal in a few days, maybe one day depending on how much time you have for a play session. That BP is pretty nice.

03-14-2012, 03:19 PM	#43
Onorem Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,155	Nrgy wrote: CoLD MeTaL wrote: Nrgy wrote: ...In the current model for gear ... Thurgadin gear is free .. and fully supports EM raiding with full CM adornments Ry'Gorr gear is nearly free (<300p) .. and fully supports EM raiding with full CM adornments Buy Gems if you don't feel that breaks any non-SLR morality Drunder gear can be expensive, but is nearly sa good as EM raiding gear Buy Ore if you don't feel that breaks any non-SLR morality EM Raid gear Buy thru SLR if your not morally opposed, the price has really fallen into the basement lately. So, if non-Raiders are looking for gear, I'd suggest getting the Thurgadin gear from the crafters which is good enough for anything DOV launch offers. There is no need to get gear better than that unless your raiding and that includes being able to solo or duo nearly every SF heroic and some older raids. The problem with your little 'progression' piece there, is Breastplates. Which makes the entire rant completely false. Again with the "I can't do the content without the gear from the zone"... your story is getting old, sorry. There are 3 chest pieces available before anyone ever has to step a pinky toe into a dungeon in DOV. One from the Icy Fingers quests, a better one from the Ry'Gorr (Thry'Gorr) quests and an even better one from the PQ. Any of those three can be gotten solo and without effort and are ALL good enough for every Heroic until you get to Drunder in which case you can get an upgraded chest pices .. 2 from Fortress Spire and one from temple all which can be completed in Thurgadin or Ry'Gorr gear. 4 if you're evil..and the Freeport questline BP is better than any of them. On par with heroic options depending on class. __________________ _________________________________ "EQ2 is not a "free to play" game, so microtransactions are unlikely to ever have the "front seat" role that they have in F2P games" - SmokeJumper - 4/20/2010

03-14-2012, 03:32 PM	#44
shots01 Lord Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 452	Nrgy wrote: CoLD MeTaL wrote: Nrgy wrote: ...In the current model for gear ... Thurgadin gear is free .. and fully supports EM raiding with full CM adornments Ry'Gorr gear is nearly free (<300p) .. and fully supports EM raiding with full CM adornments Buy Gems if you don't feel that breaks any non-SLR morality Drunder gear can be expensive, but is nearly sa good as EM raiding gear Buy Ore if you don't feel that breaks any non-SLR morality EM Raid gear Buy thru SLR if your not morally opposed, the price has really fallen into the basement lately. So, if non-Raiders are looking for gear, I'd suggest getting the Thurgadin gear from the crafters which is good enough for anything DOV launch offers. There is no need to get gear better than that unless your raiding and that includes being able to solo or duo nearly every SF heroic and some older raids. The problem with your little 'progression' piece there, is Breastplates. Which makes the entire rant completely false. Again with the "I can't do the content without the gear from the zone"... your story is getting old, sorry. There are 3 chest pieces available before anyone ever has to step a pinky toe into a dungeon in DOV. One from the Icy Fingers quests, a better one from the Ry'Gorr (Thry'Gorr) quests and an even better one from the PQ. Any of those three can be gotten solo and without effort and are ALL good enough for every Heroic until you get to Drunder in which case you can get an upgraded chest pices .. 2 from Fortress Spire and one from temple all which can be completed in Thurgadin or Ry'Gorr gear. The RW pq? I have run it numerous times and never seen the priest BP. Icy Fingers.. what is that? As for fortress spire, I have no desire to go through that mess again. Twice was more than enough for me. I have the thurgadin gear. I was able to get the book from the TS instance. But didn't notice if there was a chest piece in there. Saving up progress potions LOl to go back in and try for the rygor book. I am not sure what quest chains you are referring to with Icy Fingers and Ry'Gorr..

03-14-2012, 03:32 PM	#45
Zmobie Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 271	Nrgy wrote: There is NO mystery why someone is dumping out of the colossal market two days before DOV 2.0 hits the test server. Nor is there any mystery, to me atleast, where all the Colossal's came from in the first place. I laugh everytime I see a "13 L90 crafters 3 months only 3 reactants" post. Mostly because those are truely Myopic in a F2P world reaching gaming environment. Especially so when you add in how trivial it is to spin the wheel each day spending 2 literally 2 minutes on each toon. If a real person, maybe with a job, spouce, school, kids, family can manage to do quests on 13 toons daily for 3 months (a total of 1100+ combines) imangine how many someone could do if they spend 10+ hours a day at it using F2P accounts, maybe 100 to 150 combines per day per employee. They have been controlling the market for a while now, but that time has now come to an end. Ok, let me see if I understand what you are saying here. In your opinion, this sudden, overnight glut in Colossals, on one server, from one person, is due to a legion of people (or even just one person) making an army of tradeskillers then getting Colossals from the daily "help your apprentice" tasks, using F2P accounts? I see many problems with this. The only way you can get a Colossal Reactanct from these tasks is to be a level 90 crafter. So each F2P crafter would have to have been leveled up to 90. Each would still only have the same chance any other level 90 crafter has to get one. I only have 4, but have been doing the daily every day since it came out, and have had ZERO reactants as a reward; my GF has 3, and has received 2 reactants. This seems about on par with other reported rates. So, it would really have to be basically an army of F2P accounts, all level 90, doing the task daily, then for some reason stockpiling all of them, only to dump them all at once, for bargin-basement rates. That just doesn't make any sense to me. Nor does your hypotheticall 100-150 combines/day. Even if there was only one "employee", that would imply they have 100-150 level 90 crafters. 17-25 F2P accounts per employee. However, someone finding a dupe, making 300+ reactants from it, and trying to strike while the iron is hot and dropping them all on the broker does. As for the whole idea that these are going to be "worthless" after the level increase, it's just silly. Even the level 30 reactants, which I can get 2-10 a night mentoring and farming names, are going for 6+ plat each. Sure, the Colossals might drop in price to a more realistic number, but it will be a far cry from "worthless". --Nibs

03-14-2012, 03:36 PM	#46
CoLD MeTaL Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,217	Nibaazi@Everfrost wrote: ... --Nibs They did also drop in heroic DoV zones, to which he is saying that someone was basically farming them from heroic zones and letting them out slowly to the market to keep prices up. but now knows they are going to be upped in quantity and is just 'dumping' them. __________________

03-14-2012, 03:39 PM	#47
Onorem Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,155	Nibaazi@Everfrost wrote: Nrgy wrote: There is NO mystery why someone is dumping out of the colossal market two days before DOV 2.0 hits the test server. Nor is there any mystery, to me atleast, where all the Colossal's came from in the first place. I laugh everytime I see a "13 L90 crafters 3 months only 3 reactants" post. Mostly because those are truely Myopic in a F2P world reaching gaming environment. Especially so when you add in how trivial it is to spin the wheel each day spending 2 literally 2 minutes on each toon. If a real person, maybe with a job, spouce, school, kids, family can manage to do quests on 13 toons daily for 3 months (a total of 1100+ combines) imangine how many someone could do if they spend 10+ hours a day at it using F2P accounts, maybe 100 to 150 combines per day per employee. They have been controlling the market for a while now, but that time has now come to an end. Ok, let me see if I understand what you are saying here. In your opinion, this sudden, overnight glut in Colossals, on one server, from one person, is due to a legion of people (or even just one person) making an army of tradeskillers then getting Colossals from the daily "help your apprentice" tasks, using F2P accounts? I see many problems with this. The only way you can get a Colossal Reactanct from these tasks is to be a level 90 crafter. So each F2P crafter would have to have been leveled up to 90. Each would still only have the same chance any other level 90 crafter has to get one. I only have 4, but have been doing the daily every day since it came out, and have had ZERO reactants as a reward; my GF has 3, and has received 2 reactants. This seems about on par with other reported rates. So, it would really have to be basically an army of F2P accounts, all level 90, doing the task daily, then for some reason stockpiling all of them, only to dump them all at once, for bargin-basement rates. That just doesn't make any sense to me. Nor does your hypotheticall 100-150 combines/day. Even if there was only one "employee", that would imply they have 100-150 level 90 crafters. 17-25 F2P accounts per employee. However, someone finding a dupe, making 300+ reactants from it, and trying to strike while the iron is hot and dropping them all on the broker does. As for the whole idea that these are going to be "worthless" after the level increase, it's just silly. Even the level 30 reactants, which I can get 2-10 a night mentoring and farming names, are going for 6+ plat each. Sure, the Colossals might drop in price to a more realistic number, but it will be a far cry from "worthless". --Nibs Plus, if I'm not mistaken, you need AoD to have an apprentice. Mass amounts of F2P accounts that drop $40 a pop to level crafters to 90 for the rare chance of daily reactants...and then massively undercut the market. Only 2 scenarios make sense to me. 1. Someone found a way to exploit the system and was too stupid to benefit from it without making it obvious. 2. Someone with lots of plat decided to buy up the market and sell cheap as they finalize their exit from the game. __________________ _________________________________ "EQ2 is not a "free to play" game, so microtransactions are unlikely to ever have the "front seat" role that they have in F2P games" - SmokeJumper - 4/20/2010

03-14-2012, 03:43 PM	#48
Zmobie Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 271	CoLD MeTaL wrote: Nibaazi@Everfrost wrote: ... --Nibs They did also drop in heroic DoV zones, to which he is saying that someone was basically farming them from heroic zones and letting them out slowly to the market to keep prices up. but now knows they are going to be upped in quantity and is just 'dumping' them. He clearly states, in the section I quoted, but you snipped, only details about Tradekill gained Colossals. No mention at all of adventuring. And in any case.... I'd say the DoV content-dropped ones are just as rare as the TS ones. I've never gotten one, in all the zones I've run with 4 active 90s; and I've only seen a handful drop from anyone in my guild in this time. I've actually seen more from guildies doing the TS dailies than anyne running zones. Still. It again makes no sense that someone was holding on to these, bleeding them out slowly to make the most profit possible and not "spook the market"... then suddenly dropped them all on the the broker at 1/3rd the previous price. Especially since I've not seen any information that says they are suddenly going to become more common. Nothing on test, nothing in the notes, just the level cap increase of a whopping 2 levels, which will hardly make them worthless. --Nibs

03-14-2012, 03:47 PM	#49
bks6721 Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,593	Meube@Splitpaw wrote: You can twink your toon pretty far right now without a single raid piece, and the gap between and EM raider and twinked non raider is pretty close all except the crit mit. yeah.. my SK, who has never grouped, raided or bought auction gear is nearly 50k in health, 240 ma, 220cc, 190cm. All he does is dou with my wife in zones that we can manage to dou, which is Pools, half of ISK, some of Kael contested. We can't get far into ToFS thanks to scripts. All his gear is either broker junk or Collosal items that I made myself when I get lucky on the daily.

03-14-2012, 03:51 PM	#50
Nrgy Lord Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,338	Nibaazi@Everfrost wrote: Nrgy wrote: There is NO mystery why someone is dumping out of the colossal market two days before DOV 2.0 hits the test server. Nor is there any mystery, to me atleast, where all the Colossal's came from in the first place. I laugh everytime I see a "13 L90 crafters 3 months only 3 reactants" post. Mostly because those are truely Myopic in a F2P world reaching gaming environment. Especially so when you add in how trivial it is to spin the wheel each day spending 2 literally 2 minutes on each toon. If a real person, maybe with a job, spouce, school, kids, family can manage to do quests on 13 toons daily for 3 months (a total of 1100+ combines) imangine how many someone could do if they spend 10+ hours a day at it using F2P accounts, maybe 100 to 150 combines per day per employee. They have been controlling the market for a while now, but that time has now come to an end. Ok, let me see if I understand what you are saying here. In your opinion, this sudden, overnight glut in Colossals, on one server, from one person, is due to a legion of people (or even just one person) making an army of tradeskillers then getting Colossals from the daily "help your apprentice" tasks, using F2P accounts? I see many problems with this. The only way you can get a Colossal Reactanct from these tasks is to be a level 90 crafter. So each F2P crafter would have to have been leveled up to 90. Each would still only have the same chance any other level 90 crafter has to get one. I only have 4, but have been doing the daily every day since it came out, and have had ZERO reactants as a reward; my GF has 3, and has received 2 reactants. This seems about on par with other reported rates. So, it would really have to be basically an army of F2P accounts, all level 90, doing the task daily, then for some reason stockpiling all of them, only to dump them all at once, for bargin-basement rates. That just doesn't make any sense to me. Nor does your hypotheticall 100-150 combines/day. Even if there was only one "employee", that would imply they have 100-150 level 90 crafters. 17-25 F2P accounts per employee. However, someone finding a dupe, making 300+ reactants from it, and trying to strike while the iron is hot and dropping them all on the broker does. As for the whole idea that these are going to be "worthless" after the level increase, it's just silly. Even the level 30 reactants, which I can get 2-10 a night mentoring and farming names, are going for 6+ plat each. Sure, the Colossals might drop in price to a more realistic number, but it will be a far cry from "worthless". --Nibs First off, it takes less than 3 days to level a crafter from 1 to 90 and it takes less than 5 minutes to run the TSA help quest. F2P accounts are, well, free w/o limit. Further more, EQ2 runs just as good on a P4+ with 1 gig of ram that anyone can buy from the Salvation Army store for 50 bucks. Secondly, AOD has been out for 3 months, almost 100 days, and out of the thousands of people out there doing TSA quests they seem to average 1 colossal per 100 to 150 combines. Using the one "employee" scenario that means 1 person could easily complete 100 to 150 TSA quests per day in an 8 to 10 hour window. Thus one person could easily average 1 colossal reactant per day, which would have netted them nearly 100 colossals since launch. Add one more person and you'll double that number. Add 100 people and that number is astronomically nearing 1,000 colossals. Flooding the market is not the best way to make Plat. Spoon feeding the demand of colosslas to the masses in a controled format will secure the price will stay where the seller wants it to be. Add that to the fact the the lucky TS'ers that get one or two will have to decide if the item is worth nearly 1,000 plat. Assuming that some of those TS'ers are not hardcore plat farmers, the vision of 1,000 plat starts to look very appealing, but assume they use their first and sell thier second, if they are lucky enough to get a second. Those TS'ers do not want the price to drop just as much as the plat sellers want the price to be controled. Then all of a sudden, BOOM, DOV 2.0 is announced to hit the test server on 3/17 and on 3/15 the market is FLOODED. I highly doubt that is anything close to a Duping bug that has not yet been discovered by the other thousnads of players all doing the racing towards the same goals, just at a much smaller scale.... Gordom Geko "Greed is Good". SOE would know if someone was duping, just like with the PVP duping mess. ... I also agree the colossals will not become worthless, but they will no longer be worth 700 - 1000 plat once DOV 2.0 launches. Aspects of War still sell in the 250p ranges, I'd expect colossals to be in the same general neighborhood.

03-14-2012, 03:52 PM	#51
bks6721 Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,593	Nrgy wrote: CoLD MeTaL wrote: Nrgy wrote: ...In the current model for gear ... Thurgadin gear is free .. and fully supports EM raiding with full CM adornments Ry'Gorr gear is nearly free (<300p) .. and fully supports EM raiding with full CM adornments Buy Gems if you don't feel that breaks any non-SLR morality Drunder gear can be expensive, but is nearly sa good as EM raiding gear Buy Ore if you don't feel that breaks any non-SLR morality EM Raid gear Buy thru SLR if your not morally opposed, the price has really fallen into the basement lately. So, if non-Raiders are looking for gear, I'd suggest getting the Thurgadin gear from the crafters which is good enough for anything DOV launch offers. There is no need to get gear better than that unless your raiding and that includes being able to solo or duo nearly every SF heroic and some older raids. The problem with your little 'progression' piece there, is Breastplates. Which makes the entire rant completely false. Again with the "I can't do the content without the gear from the zone"... your story is getting old, sorry. There are 3 chest pieces available before anyone ever has to step a pinky toe into a dungeon in DOV. One from the Icy Fingers quests, a better one from the Ry'Gorr (Thry'Gorr) quests and an even better one from the PQ. Any of those three can be gotten solo and without effort and are ALL good enough for every Heroic until you get to Drunder in which case you can get an upgraded chest pices .. 2 from Fortress Spire and one from temple all which can be completed in Thurgadin or Ry'Gorr gear. 4 if you count the one you get doing the griffon quest.

03-14-2012, 03:59 PM	#52
Nrgy Lord Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,338	Onorem wrote: Plus, if I'm not mistaken, you need AoD to have an apprentice. Mass amounts of F2P accounts that drop $40 a pop to level crafters to 90 for the rare chance of daily reactants...and then massively undercut the market. Only 2 scenarios make sense to me. 1. Someone found a way to exploit the system and was too stupid to benefit from it without making it obvious. 2. Someone with lots of plat decided to buy up the market and sell cheap as they finalize their exit from the game. Plat farmers do not need to actually give SOE money under the F2P model. They can simply buy SC with the farmed plat and use the SC to buy AOD. The seed money would be buying one copy of AOD to get the ball rolling which they can do for $9.97. As bad as plat farming is or having "employees" doing your work, it is not against the ELUA becasue it is all still gameplay which we all do daily, they just do it to the Nth degree. Duping is traceable and bannable. Having 500 F2P accounts or 1000 TS'ers is not. Pauly@Befallen wrote: 4 if you count the one you get doing the griffon quest. Forgot about that one ... thx, that make 5 Lego BPs that require zero heroic content to get.

03-14-2012, 04:05 PM	#53
Onorem Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,155	Nrgy wrote: Onorem wrote: Plus, if I'm not mistaken, you need AoD to have an apprentice. Mass amounts of F2P accounts that drop $40 a pop to level crafters to 90 for the rare chance of daily reactants...and then massively undercut the market. Only 2 scenarios make sense to me. 1. Someone found a way to exploit the system and was too stupid to benefit from it without making it obvious. 2. Someone with lots of plat decided to buy up the market and sell cheap as they finalize their exit from the game. Plat farmers do not need to actually give SOE money under the F2P model. They can simply buy SC with the farmed plat and use the SC to buy AOD. The seed money would be buying one copy of AOD to get the ball rolling which they can do for $9.97. As bad as plat farming is or having "employees" doing your work, it is not against the ELUA becasue it is all still gameplay which we all do daily, they just do it to the Nth degree. Duping is traceable and bannable. Having 500 F2P accounts or 1000 TS'ers is not. I hadn't thought of the buying with SC...so you do have a point there. It still makes no sense to lump them all on one seller and massively undercut the market. That's SOE level stupidity. Spread them out and lower the price. Get into a 'bidding' war with yourself on a few dozen accounts. __________________ _________________________________ "EQ2 is not a "free to play" game, so microtransactions are unlikely to ever have the "front seat" role that they have in F2P games" - SmokeJumper - 4/20/2010

03-14-2012, 04:14 PM	#54
Teleboas Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 26	I haven't read through all of the comments, but just as an update... The guy that was selling all of these for so incredibly cheap yesterday, deleted the toon that he was selling them on. Trying to add him as a /friend now gets a "User does not exist". Also, according to other people that were around yesterday and saw the huge amount he was selling...he was also selling a large amount of other rares for very cheap.

03-14-2012, 04:16 PM	#55
Raknid Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,421	I wonder if anyone bought them and whether they were really collosals? Here is something weird that happened a while back. There was some bug where everything I linked out of one bag would pull up as another item...didn't matter what it was...and anyone who clicked on the link saw the same item...which means as far as the game seemed concerned it was something completely different than what was actually in my bag. If I remember right this cleared up when I logged. Now... if someone figured out how to do this intentionally, say by editing some kind of hex in the active memory, I guess they could theoretically place them on the broker and sell them?

03-14-2012, 04:19 PM	#56
Teleboas Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 26	As far as if they were really colossal and if people bought them, yes to both. Quite a few on the server watched them listed, and watched them be sold very, very quick. When he put them up, they would only last a matter of minutes. Someone else said that they saw him list a stack of 200 at least 3 times. Well, I should correct this. The first stack he put up actually took a bit to sell since he started at 500p, and would constantly undercut anyone that put one up. They were up for an hour or two. Once the chatter started in open chat about it though, people started watching for him to post more and started to buy them as soon as he did.

03-14-2012, 04:23 PM	#57
bks6721 Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,593	conspiracy theory... disgruntled employee

03-14-2012, 04:23 PM	#58
Nrgy Lord Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,338	Onorem wrote: I hadn't thought of the buying with SC...so you do have a point there. It still makes no sense to lump them all on one seller and massively undercut the market. That's SOE level stupidity. Spread them out and lower the price. Get into a 'bidding' war with yourself on a few dozen accounts. There are plat limits on F2P accounts, so someone would need at least one SC:Sub'ed account for the broker access and the plat collection. Why have more than one when your either slowly releasing them for high margins or dumping them in a firesale.

03-14-2012, 04:28 PM	#59
Onorem Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,155	Nrgy wrote: Onorem wrote: I hadn't thought of the buying with SC...so you do have a point there. It still makes no sense to lump them all on one seller and massively undercut the market. That's SOE level stupidity. Spread them out and lower the price. Get into a 'bidding' war with yourself on a few dozen accounts. There are plat limits on F2P accounts, so someone would need at least one SC:Sub'ed account for the broker access and the plat collection. Why have more than one when your either slowly releasing them for high margins or dumping them in a firesale. If we're assuming AoD bought with all the loads of plat for SC trades, I'd expect that they could afford a months sub with that same SC on several accounts. Making it obvious does nothing good for the accounts in question. They'll just get shut down and lose all the plat. __________________ _________________________________ "EQ2 is not a "free to play" game, so microtransactions are unlikely to ever have the "front seat" role that they have in F2P games" - SmokeJumper - 4/20/2010

03-14-2012, 04:34 PM	#60
Minzi Lord Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 32	Teleboas wrote: I haven't read through all of the comments, but just as an update... The guy that was selling all of these for so incredibly cheap yesterday, deleted the toon that he was selling them on. Trying to add him as a /friend now gets a "User does not exist". Also, according to other people that were around yesterday and saw the huge amount he was selling...he was also selling a large amount of other rares for very cheap. With that added, it sounds more like someone found a way to reset the timer on the apprentice quest, then scripted something to make and turn in thousands of aprons or whatever. The gold farmer making hundreds of F2P accounts thing would work as well, of course, but I don't think there's enough value in eq2 platinum these days to warrant it; you're looking at getting maybe $50 worth of plat from each colossal after a staggering amount of startup work and cost - and even if you're buying AoD with SC earned from farming plat, you're still incurring a cost through loss of inventory. With that amount of effort, you'd be better served to do it in a game with a young economy.