Why is the Beastlord Stamina Tree better then "3" of the Fighters Trees?

Talathion · 12-12-2011, 04:33 PM

Has anyone seen the chilling armor line yet?

Its better then my Wisdom Line/Stamina Line/Agility Line Combined (literally, combined.), is this meant to be?

Actually if you add in my strength line only giving me 10% hate gain, it might be better then 4 of my trees.

Talathion · 12-12-2011, 04:53 PM

Chilling Armor Line:

An AOE Attack that does Damage/Stifles, 1.0 Second Cast (which means low with cast speed.)/22 Second Cooldown at 90, Stifles also are very nice because they prevent a mob from autoattacking you.

10% Riposte Chance, basicly 10% uncontested avoidance (warriors used to have 8% while using a buckler, but it was deemed overpowered and removed.)

12% Max Health, Something amazing.

Chilling Armor, Reduces all Damage by 50% for 12 Seconds, the line below adds 8 more seconds, so its 20 Seconds, its Reuse speed is about a minute after you have reuse. (Its basicly adrenaline, without a drawback of making you lose ALL Your power.) (Adrenaline used to also be 50% Damage Reduction, but it was deemed overpowered and Removed.)

Bruener · 12-12-2011, 04:59 PM

It doesn't matter. They are not fighters and will not be tanking any more than rogues spec'd for it.

Talathion · 12-12-2011, 05:35 PM

Bruener wrote:

It doesn't matter. They are not fighters and will not be tanking any more than rogues spec'd for it.

Anyone who has aggro is a tank :/, but the entire line is a slap in the face to veteran warriors.

The_Cheeseman · 12-12-2011, 06:02 PM

No, it really isn't. You obviously have no concept of game balance, or else you would know that sometimes an ability is just fine for one class, but broken for another. This is why there are Displacement proc items for mages and healers, but not for fighters, as an example.

Talathion · 12-12-2011, 06:32 PM

The_Cheeseman wrote:

No, it really isn't. You obviously have no concept of game balance, or else you would know that sometimes an ability is just fine for one class, but broken for another. This is why there are Displacement proc items for mages and healers, but not for fighters, as an example.

Not really.

Displacement is overpowered for all classes, which is why SOE does not have it on any items anymore at level 90.

Gungo · 12-16-2011, 12:19 PM

Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote:

The_Cheeseman wrote:
No, it really isn't. You obviously have no concept of game balance, or else you would know that sometimes an ability is just fine for one class, but broken for another. This is why there are Displacement proc items for mages and healers, but not for fighters, as an example.
Not really.
Displacement is overpowered for all classes, which is why SOE does not have it on any items anymore at level 90.

Its a warrune

Tekadeo · 12-16-2011, 01:42 PM

Gungo@Crushbone wrote:

Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote:
The_Cheeseman wrote:
No, it really isn't. You obviously have no concept of game balance, or else you would know that sometimes an ability is just fine for one class, but broken for another. This is why there are Displacement proc items for mages and healers, but not for fighters, as an example.
Not really.
Displacement is overpowered for all classes, which is why SOE does not have it on any items anymore at level 90.
Its a warrune

pwned, as usual.

That being said, something HAS to be done about the Warrior AA tree. It's just inexplicably bad and horrible and was due for a revamp 3 expansions ago. One endlien of the five is good, 3 of the other four are not even worth the 2 points if you spec'd the rest of the line. And Dragoon's Reflexes isn't great either, especially for a Zerker.

Dear Santa: HELP BERSERKERS.

Talathion · 12-19-2011, 11:14 PM

Gungo@Crushbone wrote:

Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote:
The_Cheeseman wrote:
No, it really isn't. You obviously have no concept of game balance, or else you would know that sometimes an ability is just fine for one class, but broken for another. This is why there are Displacement proc items for mages and healers, but not for fighters, as an example.
Not really.
Displacement is overpowered for all classes, which is why SOE does not have it on any items anymore at level 90.
Its a warrune

Yes, which is why Mages can't have 5-6 of them anymore, because its only itemized for 1 rune to be balanced.

I quit for SWTOR, Enjoy your game. SMILEY

Destria · 12-23-2011, 08:31 PM

Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Gungo@Crushbone wrote:
Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote:
The_Cheeseman wrote:
No, it really isn't. You obviously have no concept of game balance, or else you would know that sometimes an ability is just fine for one class, but broken for another. This is why there are Displacement proc items for mages and healers, but not for fighters, as an example.
Not really.
Displacement is overpowered for all classes, which is why SOE does not have it on any items anymore at level 90.
Its a warrune
Yes, which is why Mages can't have 5-6 of them anymore, because its only itemized for 1 rune to be balanced.
I quit for SWTOR, Enjoy your game.

Don't tease us like that....

Gungo · 12-26-2011, 09:17 PM

Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Gungo@Crushbone wrote:
Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote:
The_Cheeseman wrote:
No, it really isn't. You obviously have no concept of game balance, or else you would know that sometimes an ability is just fine for one class, but broken for another. This is why there are Displacement proc items for mages and healers, but not for fighters, as an example.
Not really.
Displacement is overpowered for all classes, which is why SOE does not have it on any items anymore at level 90.
Its a warrune
Yes, which is why Mages can't have 5-6 of them anymore, because its only itemized for 1 rune to be balanced.
I quit for SWTOR, Enjoy your game.

Dude its the same exact effect. The same effect hasnt stacked in some time. You can adorn multiple pieces and it will proc more often but the EFFECT will not stack. SO YES MAGES CAN HAVE 5-6 of them. It just means the effect will always be up.

Have fun in star wars, its just as imbalanced between classes in the same alignment as every other game and has no end game to boot. PS tank DPS sucks in star wars just as much.

LygerT · 12-26-2011, 10:30 PM

someone post a video of a BL main tanking a zone so we can hear tuor moan some more.

Rahatmattata · 01-22-2012, 06:00 PM

Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Stifles also are very nice because they prevent a mob from autoattacking you.

lolwut?

Chilling Armor, Reduces all Damage by 50% for 12 Seconds, the line below adds 8 more seconds, so its 20 Seconds, its Reuse speed is about a minute after you have reuse. (Its basicly adrenaline, without a drawback of making you lose ALL Your power.) (Adrenaline used to also be 50% Damage Reduction, but it was deemed overpowered and Removed.)

Uh... that's for their pet dude. lol so much fail in one post.

12-12-2011, 04:59 PM	#3
Bruener Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,010	It doesn't matter. They are not fighters and will not be tanking any more than rogues spec'd for it. __________________

12-12-2011, 05:35 PM	#4
Talathion Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Cladire Mortii Rank: Initiate/Slave Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,780	Bruener wrote: It doesn't matter. They are not fighters and will not be tanking any more than rogues spec'd for it. Anyone who has aggro is a tank :/, but the entire line is a slap in the face to veteran warriors.

12-12-2011, 06:02 PM	#5
The_Cheeseman Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,285	No, it really isn't. You obviously have no concept of game balance, or else you would know that sometimes an ability is just fine for one class, but broken for another. This is why there are Displacement proc items for mages and healers, but not for fighters, as an example. __________________

12-12-2011, 06:32 PM	#6
Talathion Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Cladire Mortii Rank: Initiate/Slave Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,780	The_Cheeseman wrote: No, it really isn't. You obviously have no concept of game balance, or else you would know that sometimes an ability is just fine for one class, but broken for another. This is why there are Displacement proc items for mages and healers, but not for fighters, as an example. Not really. Displacement is overpowered for all classes, which is why SOE does not have it on any items anymore at level 90.

12-16-2011, 12:19 PM	#7
Gungo Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Crushbone Posts: 5,378	Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote: The_Cheeseman wrote: No, it really isn't. You obviously have no concept of game balance, or else you would know that sometimes an ability is just fine for one class, but broken for another. This is why there are Displacement proc items for mages and healers, but not for fighters, as an example. Not really. Displacement is overpowered for all classes, which is why SOE does not have it on any items anymore at level 90. Its a warrune

12-12-2011, 04:33 PM	#1
Talathion Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Cladire Mortii Rank: Initiate/Slave Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,780	Has anyone seen the chilling armor line yet? Its better then my Wisdom Line/Stamina Line/Agility Line Combined (literally, combined.), is this meant to be? Actually if you add in my strength line only giving me 10% hate gain, it might be better then 4 of my trees.

12-12-2011, 04:53 PM	#2
Talathion Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Cladire Mortii Rank: Initiate/Slave Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,780	Chilling Armor Line: An AOE Attack that does Damage/Stifles, 1.0 Second Cast (which means low with cast speed.)/22 Second Cooldown at 90, Stifles also are very nice because they prevent a mob from autoattacking you. 10% Riposte Chance, basicly 10% uncontested avoidance (warriors used to have 8% while using a buckler, but it was deemed overpowered and removed.) 12% Max Health, Something amazing. Chilling Armor, Reduces all Damage by 50% for 12 Seconds, the line below adds 8 more seconds, so its 20 Seconds, its Reuse speed is about a minute after you have reuse. (Its basicly adrenaline, without a drawback of making you lose ALL Your power.) (Adrenaline used to also be 50% Damage Reduction, but it was deemed overpowered and Removed.)

12-16-2011, 01:42 PM	#8
Tekadeo Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 364	Gungo@Crushbone wrote: Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote: The_Cheeseman wrote: No, it really isn't. You obviously have no concept of game balance, or else you would know that sometimes an ability is just fine for one class, but broken for another. This is why there are Displacement proc items for mages and healers, but not for fighters, as an example. Not really. Displacement is overpowered for all classes, which is why SOE does not have it on any items anymore at level 90. Its a warrune pwned, as usual. That being said, something HAS to be done about the Warrior AA tree. It's just inexplicably bad and horrible and was due for a revamp 3 expansions ago. One endlien of the five is good, 3 of the other four are not even worth the 2 points if you spec'd the rest of the line. And Dragoon's Reflexes isn't great either, especially for a Zerker. Dear Santa: HELP BERSERKERS. __________________

12-19-2011, 11:14 PM	#9
Talathion Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Cladire Mortii Rank: Initiate/Slave Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,780	Gungo@Crushbone wrote: Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote: The_Cheeseman wrote: No, it really isn't. You obviously have no concept of game balance, or else you would know that sometimes an ability is just fine for one class, but broken for another. This is why there are Displacement proc items for mages and healers, but not for fighters, as an example. Not really. Displacement is overpowered for all classes, which is why SOE does not have it on any items anymore at level 90. Its a warrune Yes, which is why Mages can't have 5-6 of them anymore, because its only itemized for 1 rune to be balanced. I quit for SWTOR, Enjoy your game.

12-23-2011, 08:31 PM	#10
Destria Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Saints and Sinners Rank: Hero (Recruit) Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 194	Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote: Gungo@Crushbone wrote: Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote: The_Cheeseman wrote: No, it really isn't. You obviously have no concept of game balance, or else you would know that sometimes an ability is just fine for one class, but broken for another. This is why there are Displacement proc items for mages and healers, but not for fighters, as an example. Not really. Displacement is overpowered for all classes, which is why SOE does not have it on any items anymore at level 90. Its a warrune Yes, which is why Mages can't have 5-6 of them anymore, because its only itemized for 1 rune to be balanced. I quit for SWTOR, Enjoy your game. Don't tease us like that.... __________________

12-26-2011, 09:17 PM	#11
Gungo Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Crushbone Posts: 5,378	Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote: Gungo@Crushbone wrote: Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote: The_Cheeseman wrote: No, it really isn't. You obviously have no concept of game balance, or else you would know that sometimes an ability is just fine for one class, but broken for another. This is why there are Displacement proc items for mages and healers, but not for fighters, as an example. Not really. Displacement is overpowered for all classes, which is why SOE does not have it on any items anymore at level 90. Its a warrune Yes, which is why Mages can't have 5-6 of them anymore, because its only itemized for 1 rune to be balanced. I quit for SWTOR, Enjoy your game. Dude its the same exact effect. The same effect hasnt stacked in some time. You can adorn multiple pieces and it will proc more often but the EFFECT will not stack. SO YES MAGES CAN HAVE 5-6 of them. It just means the effect will always be up. Have fun in star wars, its just as imbalanced between classes in the same alignment as every other game and has no end game to boot. PS tank DPS sucks in star wars just as much.

12-26-2011, 10:30 PM	#12
LygerT Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: las vegas, NV Posts: 2,144	someone post a video of a BL main tanking a zone so we can hear tuor moan some more.

01-22-2012, 06:00 PM	#13
Rahatmattata Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 3,232	Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote: Stifles also are very nice because they prevent a mob from autoattacking you. lolwut? Chilling Armor, Reduces all Damage by 50% for 12 Seconds, the line below adds 8 more seconds, so its 20 Seconds, its Reuse speed is about a minute after you have reuse. (Its basicly adrenaline, without a drawback of making you lose ALL Your power.) (Adrenaline used to also be 50% Damage Reduction, but it was deemed overpowered and Removed.) Uh... that's for their pet dude. lol so much fail in one post. __________________ A Cure For Cancer