Veteran Rewards for All! Official Feedback Thread - Page 4

WanyenII · 12-12-2011, 01:42 PM

Persyphony@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Atsushi wrote:
Is this retroactive? For example my account dates back to 2000 from eq1 and around launch day for eq2, yet I only have 5 year vet rewards. I petitioned and they said it was correct yesterday.
I sort of hoped that for an 11 year old account I might have more than 5y vet bonuses.
You dont have an 11 year old account, you have a 7ish year old account. You're timein EQ1 has no bearing on EQ2 vet rewards, if so I would have 12 years and 9 months on 2 accounts, hehe.

I didn't 'pay' EQ2, I paid SOE through All Access/Station Pass. My account is a SOE account and older than dirt, which happens to have an affiliation with EQ and EQ2, and others. I am sure that is somewhere along the line of reasoning ...

Marnus · 12-12-2011, 02:30 PM

Grayven@The Bazaar wrote:

Hozuki@Befallen wrote:
please fully implement fairest (and original) design: account age FROM the date you CREATED your account. That's how age works in the real world.
That isn't how rewards programs work in the real world.
Regardless, I certainly understand the onslaught of 'complain and moan about things til SOE gives in', as it has recently worked for many, many others. SOE picked up the wrong book of parenting, I believe, and are now going to be handing out ice cream cones to everyone that threatens to hold their breath until they turn blue.

This. While i think soe did a great job with beastlords, mercs, freeport etc., the whole slippery slope of going ftp, and the current "entitlement" mentality crowd that going ftp would inevitably bring in, and "giving in" to every request, no matter how ridiculous, has turned into an avalanche of people demanding things-because after all, even though most of them ditched eq2 for another game, or havent ever even logged into eq2 before last week-why shouldnt they get every reward and perk that someone who has paid monthly and stayed with the game all these years loyally has earned? lol. I lose nothing, i still get my 8th year vet rewards, and will continue to pay my monthly sub, i just think they have dug themselves into a hole they arent going to get out of. The problem with giving in to a child every time they throw a tantrum, is that they are always going to want more, because they know that if they whine, or cry loud enough, they'll get it. So good for the freeloaders for being able to manipulate an entire company-maybe next month, you can get them to give us all free plat lol.

Elixite · 12-12-2011, 03:36 PM

Marnus@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Grayven@The Bazaar wrote:
Hozuki@Befallen wrote:
please fully implement fairest (and original) design: account age FROM the date you CREATED your account. That's how age works in the real world.
That isn't how rewards programs work in the real world.
Regardless, I certainly understand the onslaught of 'complain and moan about things til SOE gives in', as it has recently worked for many, many others. SOE picked up the wrong book of parenting, I believe, and are now going to be handing out ice cream cones to everyone that threatens to hold their breath until they turn blue.
This. While i think soe did a great job with beastlords, mercs, freeport etc., the whole slippery slope of going ftp, and the current "entitlement" mentality crowd that going ftp would inevitably bring in, and "giving in" to every request, no matter how ridiculous, has turned into an avalanche of people demanding things-because after all, even though most of them ditched eq2 for another game, or havent ever even logged into eq2 before last week-why shouldnt they get every reward and perk that someone who has paid monthly and stayed with the game all these years loyally has earned? lol. I lose nothing, i still get my 8th year vet rewards, and will continue to pay my monthly sub, i just think they have dug themselves into a hole they arent going to get out of. The problem with giving in to a child every time they throw a tantrum, is that they are always going to want more, because they know that if they whine, or cry loud enough, they'll get it. So good for the freeloaders for being able to manipulate an entire company-maybe next month, you can get them to give us all free plat lol.

I don't believe they've counted my time as a platinum member either (over a year now). Surely you'd agree that that should be fixed.

JonasBlackmore · 12-12-2011, 03:51 PM

I'm curious as to what the reality versus the posted text is as well. I read it as my account would be updated to have the vet rewards based upon when the account was created (November 9, 2004), but I can see how that could upset people (and does not appear to be what is happening, I currently only have up to the 4y vet reward on my account).

Just curious if it really is "based on the date of their account creation" or that just means for all NEW players it will be that.

-JB

Iren · 12-12-2011, 05:19 PM

is there any chance you could tie this into my swg acct which is closing?

MystsofLedge12 · 12-12-2011, 08:30 PM

Forget all that.... at face value SmokeJumper said you get cred from account creation date. He then made a starting from today comment, he made it vague probably purposely or he could be that dense.

So someone needs to file a report with BBB San Diego on the Smoke Blowing SJ did on this.

read what i typed what their statment was FALSE (or MISLEADING) ADVERTISEMENT

not that Wiki is a trusted source but this info is true

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_advertising

Nashbry · 12-12-2011, 09:37 PM

Elixite@Unrest wrote:

Marnus@Antonia Bayle wrote:
Grayven@The Bazaar wrote:
Hozuki@Befallen wrote:
please fully implement fairest (and original) design: account age FROM the date you CREATED your account. That's how age works in the real world.
That isn't how rewards programs work in the real world.
Regardless, I certainly understand the onslaught of 'complain and moan about things til SOE gives in', as it has recently worked for many, many others. SOE picked up the wrong book of parenting, I believe, and are now going to be handing out ice cream cones to everyone that threatens to hold their breath until they turn blue.
This. While i think soe did a great job with beastlords, mercs, freeport etc., the whole slippery slope of going ftp, and the current "entitlement" mentality crowd that going ftp would inevitably bring in, and "giving in" to every request, no matter how ridiculous, has turned into an avalanche of people demanding things-because after all, even though most of them ditched eq2 for another game, or havent ever even logged into eq2 before last week-why shouldnt they get every reward and perk that someone who has paid monthly and stayed with the game all these years loyally has earned? lol. I lose nothing, i still get my 8th year vet rewards, and will continue to pay my monthly sub, i just think they have dug themselves into a hole they arent going to get out of. The problem with giving in to a child every time they throw a tantrum, is that they are always going to want more, because they know that if they whine, or cry loud enough, they'll get it. So good for the freeloaders for being able to manipulate an entire company-maybe next month, you can get them to give us all free plat lol.
I don't believe they've counted my time as a platinum member either (over a year now). Surely you'd agree that that should be fixed.

+1 This

SmokeJumper · 12-12-2011, 10:34 PM

This change doesn't do anything retro-actively *at all*.

The veteran time that you've accumulated to-date is still valid and is preserved.

The change mentioned is from that date going forward. So everyone is earning time now, but this changes nothing at all for the vet time accumulated to-date.

Dawkitty · 12-12-2011, 11:07 PM

SmokeJumper wrote:

This change doesn't do anything retro-actively *at all*.
The veteran time that you've accumulated to-date is still valid and is preserved.
The change mentioned is from that date going forward. So everyone is earning time now, but this changes nothing at all for the vet time accumulated to-date.

Glad to have the clarification finally.

Any word about silvers not seeing any vet rewards at all, though?

MystsofLedge12 · 12-12-2011, 11:30 PM

SmokeJumper wrote:

This change doesn't do anything retro-actively *at all*.
The veteran time that you've accumulated to-date is still valid and is preserved.
The change mentioned is from that date going forward. So everyone is earning time now, but this changes nothing at all for the vet time accumulated to-date.

Right however, anyone petitioned this before your clarification or change should still be elligible to gain all vet rewards from EQ2 activation date.

EQ2Playa432 · 12-12-2011, 11:38 PM

Dawkitty wrote:

SmokeJumper wrote:
This change doesn't do anything retro-actively *at all*.
The veteran time that you've accumulated to-date is still valid and is preserved.
The change mentioned is from that date going forward. So everyone is earning time now, but this changes nothing at all for the vet time accumulated to-date.
Glad to have the clarification finally.
Any word about silvers not seeing any vet rewards at all, though?

Yes, some news on silver vet reward status would be appreciated.

Bezdami · 12-13-2011, 12:26 AM

MystsofLedge12 wrote:

SmokeJumper wrote:
This change doesn't do anything retro-actively *at all*.
The veteran time that you've accumulated to-date is still valid and is preserved.
The change mentioned is from that date going forward. So everyone is earning time now, but this changes nothing at all for the vet time accumulated to-date.
Right however, anyone petitioned this before your clarification or change should still be elligible to gain all vet rewards from EQ2 activation date.

Why?

Marnus · 12-13-2011, 12:36 AM

MystsofLedge12 wrote:

Forget all that.... at face value SmokeJumper said you get cred from account creation date. He then made a starting from today comment, he made it vague probably purposely or he could be that dense.
So someone needs to file a report with BBB San Diego on the Smoke Blowing SJ did on this.
read what i typed what their statment was FALSE (or MISLEADING) ADVERTISEMENT
not that Wiki is a trusted source but this info is true
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_advertising

Thanks for the laugh SMILEY I would give real money to hear that phone call..."Hi, BBB? this is Freddy Freeloader here. yeah, this guy on the forums said that i could get vet reward time credited on my account-that i dont pay for currently, but used to, at one time, and even though i accept a legally binding agreement that basically says they can run their game how they please, everytime i log in, I feel i was mislead, and i want to sue for character slots!". rofl.

No matter how much they give away, people will never be satisfied.

Nashbry · 12-13-2011, 01:25 AM

SmokeJumper wrote:

This change doesn't do anything retro-actively *at all*.
The veteran time that you've accumulated to-date is still valid and is preserved.
The change mentioned is from that date going forward. So everyone is earning time now, but this changes nothing at all for the vet time accumulated to-date.

This still doesn't address the issue that you spoke upon in your early FAQ's where you claimed that EQ2 and EQ2x histories would be merged and we would get time accumulated for the time we were subscribed on Extended that we weren't on "Live"---of course we were subscribed but apparently our money for that time is second rate.

cowkiller · 12-13-2011, 02:25 AM

SJ when u made freeport server live all my time as a gold acount + the xpacks i bought before u nerfed them and made them FREE are not showing up in my vet rewards all i have are my live acount vet rewards

Class Pack 16 (Mystic)
Collector's Edition In-Game Item: Exclusive Armored Highland Stalker
Custom DYOD Map Layout
DYOD Unique Monster Spawner #2
Entitlement: Age of Discovery ******* missing
Entitlement: Auction Beta
Entitlement: Desert of Flames + In-Game Item: Genie Bottle
Entitlement: Destiny of Velious ****** missing (Retail)
Entitlement: Echoes of Faydwer
Entitlement: EverQuest II Beta Access **** was a blast**
Entitlement: Kingdom of Sky
Entitlement: Rise of Kunark
Entitlement: Sentinel's Fate ****** missing (retail)
Entitlement: The Bloodline Chronicles
Entitlement: The Fallen Dynasty
Entitlement: The Shadow Odyssey All-In-One Pack ******* Missing Retail)
Entitlement: The Splitpaw Saga **** cost me 1.75$
EverQuest II In Game Item: Birthday Cake
EverQuest II In Game Item: Vodka
EverQuest II Silver Membership
Flying Pegasus Mount Re-Tint
In game Item: 30 slot bag
In game Item: Expendables Starter Pack
In game Item: Starter furniture kit
In-Game Item: 1 Day Vet Reward
In-Game Item: 1095 Day Vet Reward
In-Game Item: 1461 Day Vet Reward
In-Game Item: 182 Day Vet Reward
In-Game Item: 30 Day Vet Reward
In-Game Item: 365 Day Vet Reward
In-Game Item: 547 Day Vet Reward
In-Game Item: 7 Day Vet Reward
In-Game Item: 730 Day Vet Reward
In-Game Item: 90 Day Vet Reward
In-Game Item: AA Scroll
In-Game Item: AoD DYOD Unique Monster Spawner #1
In-Game Item: AoD Digital Pre-Order Bonus Beastlord Cloak
In-Game Item: Booster Pack & Frozen Fingers
In-Game Item: Carnivorous Plant
In-Game Item: Cloak of the Clearing
In-Game Item: Cloak of the Void (requires The Shadow Odyssey)
In-Game Item: Clockwork Copter
In-Game Item: Cockatrice House Pet
In-Game Item: December Velious Reward Bundle
In-Game Item: Dire Bear Pet and Mount
In-Game Item: EQII Five Year Veteran Rewards
In-Game Item: February Velious Mount Reward
In-Game Item: Freeblood Race Velious Reward
In-Game Item: Gazing Orb
In-Game Item: Guarding of the Learned Armor
In-Game Item: Guarding of the Reasoned Armor
In-Game Item: Heritage
In-Game Item: Icewind Komodo
In-Game Item: January Velious Reward Bundle
In-Game Item: Leaping Vulrich
In-Game Item: Legends Aquarium
In-Game Item: Mysterious Shard
In-Game Item: Painting: Dragons
In-Game Item: Painting:Grand Master Lu Sun
In-Game Item: Paintings of EQII
In-Game Item: Pet Monkey
In-Game Item: Picture of the Desert of Ro
In-Game Item: Ring of T'Haen
In-Game Item: Stalwart Stallion
In-Game Item: Superior XP Potion
In-Game Item: Talking Statues
In-Game Item: Tapestry of Silken Glory
In-Game Item: Timeless Crusader
In-Game Item: Velious Portal Pack
In-Game Item: XP Potion
In-Game Item: Character Slots
In-Game Items: EQII Living Legacy Promo Items
In-Game item: Snow Pet
In-GameItem: Roadyle's Tapestry
LON Set 10: Brown Bovich
LON Set 10: Painting: Tunare
LON item: Draught of Ingenuity
LON: The Fall of Erudin Scenario
LoN Item: Vapor Gloves
Painting: Illisia
Painting: Taking Flight
Prestige Home - Lavastorm Winter Residence
Race Pack 3 (Kerra, Froglok, and Arasai)
Race Pack 6
Robe of the Truespirit
Starter and Booster Pack: Oathbreaker Set
Universal Trial: Green Journeyman's Cloak & Potion Pack
Warder Pet

and yet i only have 5 year 30 days

http://s39.photobucket.com/albums/e...=EQ2_000003.png

MystsofLedge12 · 12-13-2011, 03:17 AM

ezdami@Crushbone wrote:

Why?

Well its simple, he made a promise last week, which was recanted and clarified this week.

And when someone says something even if they don't say it correctly well free or not they must deliver, its not a matter of cost its a matter of principle and honor and more importantly the LAW.

My account was created July 2006 (5 years 5 months + 12 months from expansions = 6 years 6 months) yet i am credited with 4 years 8 Months 20 Days. I want my vet rewards. Yes i did take 2 or 3 years off game.

Now to add insult to this injury I have guild mates who've taken time off, albeit more sporadically who have full vet rewards.

Mostly i'd like the vitality refill and COV, and its a slow week for me so I am going all Ralph Nader on this, and hey when they realize this everyone will benefit (or at least thos of us who have taken time off, or are returning)

daalberith · 12-13-2011, 03:45 AM

I don't really care when the time started accumulating to be honest. It's free stuff, so I'll take what they give me. What gets me is that I have one account that was created on Nov 13 '04 showing 2137 days on it, all properly paid time up until the 6th of this month, with no vet rewards to claim at all. And then I have another account created on Nov 12 '10 showing 755 days on it, maybe 90 days of it paid time and credit given for expansions that the account didn't even exist for when they went live, with all of it's applicable vet rewards available. I don't even want to think what kind of mess I would have to deal with if I re-opened my other two older SOE accounts. However the time is calculated, fine. Make it consistant and I'm sure we can all find a way to live with it. But at least make what ever it is you guys are doing work correctly so we can actually claim the vet rewards for whatever time it is our accounts are supposed to actually have.

dawy · 12-13-2011, 06:10 AM

SmokeJumper wrote:

This change doesn't do anything retro-actively *at all*.
The veteran time that you've accumulated to-date is still valid and is preserved.
The change mentioned is from that date going forward. So everyone is earning time now, but this changes nothing at all for the vet time accumulated to-date.

It is good news but please make all your statements this clear from now on,lol,there'd be no confusion then

simianthief · 12-13-2011, 06:23 AM

Myst, take a pill. You may cause yourself a cardiac. I would hate to see a busy week for you, life must be so stressful. I still don't see anywhere where SJ promised anything that hasn't been delivered. You realize they don't even have to do it at all, right?

And thank you for stepping into the forums SJ. Glad to see the trolls haven't kept you out completely.

Gorpier · 12-13-2011, 06:42 AM

Sorry but I agree with Myst here. The way that post was worded, everyone was being counted from account creation date. I'd be very happy if they took away all my +90's and just gave me my straight account date time. Account started August 05 would be 6 years 4 months as opposed to with the +90's and a 2 year break being 4years 10 months.

Just seems like f2p's are getting all kinds of concessions and freebies for not paying for an account while the folks that have paid for many years are getting hosed. *shrug* Just my point of view.

cowkiller · 12-13-2011, 10:24 AM

some of eq2x did pay for( GOLD) (PLAT) Acounts per months - years same as live and did buy the x-packs but no vet rewards were given. nor could we uses are vet rewards we had on live till soe made freeport server a live server.

now that soe has made the game all f2p still think vet rewards should be for people that do pay the 15$ per months

its was a perk for paying to play

Mystfit · 12-13-2011, 10:47 AM

MystsofLedge12 wrote:

Well its simple, he made a promise last week, which was recanted and clarified this week.
And when someone says something even if they don't say it correctly well free or not they must deliver, its not a matter of cost its a matter of principle and honor and more importantly the LAW.

Principle and honor?? No, reading into something the way that benefits one the most to get free stuff mebbe, but nothing honorable in trying to milk a situation dry.

Iad · 12-13-2011, 11:33 AM

Mystfit wrote:

MystsofLedge12 wrote:
Well its simple, he made a promise last week, which was recanted and clarified this week.
And when someone says something even if they don't say it correctly well free or not they must deliver, its not a matter of cost its a matter of principle and honor and more importantly the LAW.
Principle and honor?? No, reading into something the way that benefits one the most to get free stuff mebbe, but nothing honorable in trying to milk a situation dry.

"All players will get veteran rewards based on the date of their account creation."

Why would anyone get the assumption that this change is retroactive...

Marnus · 12-13-2011, 11:47 AM

Iad wrote:

Mystfit wrote:
MystsofLedge12 wrote:
Well its simple, he made a promise last week, which was recanted and clarified this week.
And when someone says something even if they don't say it correctly well free or not they must deliver, its not a matter of cost its a matter of principle and honor and more importantly the LAW.
Principle and honor?? No, reading into something the way that benefits one the most to get free stuff mebbe, but nothing honorable in trying to milk a situation dry.
"All players will get veteran rewards based on the date of their account creation."
Why would anyone get the assumption that this change is retroactive...

You left out the "starting now" part

Mystfit · 12-13-2011, 12:03 PM

Marnus@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Iad wrote:
Mystfit wrote:
MystsofLedge12 wrote:
Well its simple, he made a promise last week, which was recanted and clarified this week.
And when someone says something even if they don't say it correctly well free or not they must deliver, its not a matter of cost its a matter of principle and honor and more importantly the LAW.
Principle and honor?? No, reading into something the way that benefits one the most to get free stuff mebbe, but nothing honorable in trying to milk a situation dry.
"All players will get veteran rewards based on the date of their account creation."
Why would anyone get the assumption that this change is retroactive...
You left out the "starting now" part

I dont' question even one bit that it was worded oddly and confusing and needed clarification. What I DON'T get is the temper tantrum being thrown by a few people who WERE NOT PAYING for the game for years but want, no, DEMAND SOE address this confusion by giving them the world on a plate.

Iad · 12-13-2011, 12:06 PM

I agree, people shouldn't expect anything for free. That statement is clearly misleading and poorly written, though.

simianthief · 12-13-2011, 12:09 PM

After reviewing what was originally written, there is room for a discussion on the post. SJ did, in fact, say from account creation. By the wording listed we should expect our veteran status to be from the date the account was created, and HOLY COW AM I REALLY THAT OLD?!

However, there is also the point of expected performance (or whatever the legalise for it is, I am sick and feeding a 1 year old, cut me some slack) in which you can only expect to be held accountable for reasonable things you would/could do. Based on that I would say from the time your account added EQ2 to it would be the best possible way to interpret what SJ said.

Based on what has been posted SINCE then however, it is clear that was not the original intent of the message. Check with your local law maker.

Kreton · 12-13-2011, 02:25 PM

I have 2 silver accounts that were previously subs that no longer can even claim the vet rewards they had already earned. I thought this was suppose to be fixed so that everyone had access to the rewards they had before.

MystsofLedge12 · 12-13-2011, 03:02 PM

I haven't been stressed in the least bit.

The original post is so vague that I read it as everyone gets vet rewards from the date of account creation.

and from the original post copied verbatim a complete sentence " All players will get veteran rewards based on the date of their account creation. "

The original post never specifically implied that this new thing was only as of starting on a certain date, looking ex post facto, the "So starting from today, that’s what’s going to happen." stated the true intent. This may not have been purposely vague but, SOE can give us some concessions here they aready fleeced us on the price of AoD and well legally they are required to do so.

Mike585 · 12-13-2011, 05:38 PM

Cowkiller@Mistmoore wrote:

now that soe has made the game all f2p still think vet rewards should be for people that do pay the 15$ per months
it was a perk for paying to play

Since when is a "vet reward" supposed to be a perk for paying to play?

I have always been loyal to this game, no matter if I tried other games or took short breaks. I always come back to this game no matter what.

It would be nice to be credited for my loyalty, if anything.

I also have not been able to afford to pay for all these years. So as I take it only those people who are able to afford it are lucky enough to be rewarded? I know a lot of people (including myself) who played EQ2x during these unfortunate times.

Those who actually payed for all these years should just get rewarded something else. At least then those who are less fortunate have something to look forward to when finally being able to return to the game. Also, what does it even matter now when people who are "not playing" currently are receiving the vet time bonus anyway?

12-12-2011, 01:42 PM	#91
WanyenII Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 145	Persyphony@Antonia Bayle wrote: Atsushi wrote: Is this retroactive? For example my account dates back to 2000 from eq1 and around launch day for eq2, yet I only have 5 year vet rewards. I petitioned and they said it was correct yesterday. I sort of hoped that for an 11 year old account I might have more than 5y vet bonuses. You dont have an 11 year old account, you have a 7ish year old account. You're timein EQ1 has no bearing on EQ2 vet rewards, if so I would have 12 years and 9 months on 2 accounts, hehe. I didn't 'pay' EQ2, I paid SOE through All Access/Station Pass. My account is a SOE account and older than dirt, which happens to have an affiliation with EQ and EQ2, and others. I am sure that is somewhere along the line of reasoning ...

12-12-2011, 02:30 PM	#92
Marnus Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Tandros os Thol Rank: Archduke Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 275	Grayven@The Bazaar wrote: Hozuki@Befallen wrote: please fully implement fairest (and original) design: account age FROM the date you CREATED your account. That's how age works in the real world. That isn't how rewards programs work in the real world. Regardless, I certainly understand the onslaught of 'complain and moan about things til SOE gives in', as it has recently worked for many, many others. SOE picked up the wrong book of parenting, I believe, and are now going to be handing out ice cream cones to everyone that threatens to hold their breath until they turn blue. This. While i think soe did a great job with beastlords, mercs, freeport etc., the whole slippery slope of going ftp, and the current "entitlement" mentality crowd that going ftp would inevitably bring in, and "giving in" to every request, no matter how ridiculous, has turned into an avalanche of people demanding things-because after all, even though most of them ditched eq2 for another game, or havent ever even logged into eq2 before last week-why shouldnt they get every reward and perk that someone who has paid monthly and stayed with the game all these years loyally has earned? lol. I lose nothing, i still get my 8th year vet rewards, and will continue to pay my monthly sub, i just think they have dug themselves into a hole they arent going to get out of. The problem with giving in to a child every time they throw a tantrum, is that they are always going to want more, because they know that if they whine, or cry loud enough, they'll get it. So good for the freeloaders for being able to manipulate an entire company-maybe next month, you can get them to give us all free plat lol.

12-12-2011, 03:36 PM	#93
Elixite Server: Unrest Guild: Executioners Rank: Executioner (min 21,807 gs) Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 3	Marnus@Antonia Bayle wrote: Grayven@The Bazaar wrote: Hozuki@Befallen wrote: please fully implement fairest (and original) design: account age FROM the date you CREATED your account. That's how age works in the real world. That isn't how rewards programs work in the real world. Regardless, I certainly understand the onslaught of 'complain and moan about things til SOE gives in', as it has recently worked for many, many others. SOE picked up the wrong book of parenting, I believe, and are now going to be handing out ice cream cones to everyone that threatens to hold their breath until they turn blue. This. While i think soe did a great job with beastlords, mercs, freeport etc., the whole slippery slope of going ftp, and the current "entitlement" mentality crowd that going ftp would inevitably bring in, and "giving in" to every request, no matter how ridiculous, has turned into an avalanche of people demanding things-because after all, even though most of them ditched eq2 for another game, or havent ever even logged into eq2 before last week-why shouldnt they get every reward and perk that someone who has paid monthly and stayed with the game all these years loyally has earned? lol. I lose nothing, i still get my 8th year vet rewards, and will continue to pay my monthly sub, i just think they have dug themselves into a hole they arent going to get out of. The problem with giving in to a child every time they throw a tantrum, is that they are always going to want more, because they know that if they whine, or cry loud enough, they'll get it. So good for the freeloaders for being able to manipulate an entire company-maybe next month, you can get them to give us all free plat lol. I don't believe they've counted my time as a platinum member either (over a year now). Surely you'd agree that that should be fixed.

12-12-2011, 05:19 PM	#95
Iren Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Celestial Knights Rank: Champion Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 98	is there any chance you could tie this into my swg acct which is closing? __________________

12-12-2011, 08:30 PM	#96
MystsofLedge12 Lord Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 189	Forget all that.... at face value SmokeJumper said you get cred from account creation date. He then made a starting from today comment, he made it vague probably purposely or he could be that dense. So someone needs to file a report with BBB San Diego on the Smoke Blowing SJ did on this. read what i typed what their statment was FALSE (or MISLEADING) ADVERTISEMENT not that Wiki is a trusted source but this info is true http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_advertising __________________ Galatians 5:1 It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.

12-12-2011, 03:51 PM	#94
JonasBlackmore Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 41	I'm curious as to what the reality versus the posted text is as well. I read it as my account would be updated to have the vet rewards based upon when the account was created (November 9, 2004), but I can see how that could upset people (and does not appear to be what is happening, I currently only have up to the 4y vet reward on my account). Just curious if it really is "based on the date of their account creation" or that just means for all NEW players it will be that. -JB

12-12-2011, 09:37 PM	#97
Nashbry Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 78	Elixite@Unrest wrote: Marnus@Antonia Bayle wrote: Grayven@The Bazaar wrote: Hozuki@Befallen wrote: please fully implement fairest (and original) design: account age FROM the date you CREATED your account. That's how age works in the real world. That isn't how rewards programs work in the real world. Regardless, I certainly understand the onslaught of 'complain and moan about things til SOE gives in', as it has recently worked for many, many others. SOE picked up the wrong book of parenting, I believe, and are now going to be handing out ice cream cones to everyone that threatens to hold their breath until they turn blue. This. While i think soe did a great job with beastlords, mercs, freeport etc., the whole slippery slope of going ftp, and the current "entitlement" mentality crowd that going ftp would inevitably bring in, and "giving in" to every request, no matter how ridiculous, has turned into an avalanche of people demanding things-because after all, even though most of them ditched eq2 for another game, or havent ever even logged into eq2 before last week-why shouldnt they get every reward and perk that someone who has paid monthly and stayed with the game all these years loyally has earned? lol. I lose nothing, i still get my 8th year vet rewards, and will continue to pay my monthly sub, i just think they have dug themselves into a hole they arent going to get out of. The problem with giving in to a child every time they throw a tantrum, is that they are always going to want more, because they know that if they whine, or cry loud enough, they'll get it. So good for the freeloaders for being able to manipulate an entire company-maybe next month, you can get them to give us all free plat lol. I don't believe they've counted my time as a platinum member either (over a year now). Surely you'd agree that that should be fixed. +1 This

12-12-2011, 10:34 PM	#98
SmokeJumper DoD Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,056	This change doesn't do anything retro-actively at all. The veteran time that you've accumulated to-date is still valid and is preserved. The change mentioned is from that date going forward. So everyone is earning time now, but this changes nothing at all for the vet time accumulated to-date. __________________ Director of Development EverQuest Franchise (EQ, EQII, EQN)

12-12-2011, 11:07 PM	#99
Dawkitty Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 97	SmokeJumper wrote: This change doesn't do anything retro-actively at all. The veteran time that you've accumulated to-date is still valid and is preserved. The change mentioned is from that date going forward. So everyone is earning time now, but this changes nothing at all for the vet time accumulated to-date. Glad to have the clarification finally. Any word about silvers not seeing any vet rewards at all, though?

12-12-2011, 11:30 PM	#100
MystsofLedge12 Lord Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 189	SmokeJumper wrote: This change doesn't do anything retro-actively at all. The veteran time that you've accumulated to-date is still valid and is preserved. The change mentioned is from that date going forward. So everyone is earning time now, but this changes nothing at all for the vet time accumulated to-date. Right however, anyone petitioned this before your clarification or change should still be elligible to gain all vet rewards from EQ2 activation date. __________________ Galatians 5:1 It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.

12-12-2011, 11:38 PM	#101
EQ2Playa432 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 966	Dawkitty wrote: SmokeJumper wrote: This change doesn't do anything retro-actively at all. The veteran time that you've accumulated to-date is still valid and is preserved. The change mentioned is from that date going forward. So everyone is earning time now, but this changes nothing at all for the vet time accumulated to-date. Glad to have the clarification finally. Any word about silvers not seeing any vet rewards at all, though? Yes, some news on silver vet reward status would be appreciated.

12-13-2011, 12:26 AM	#102
Bezdami Server: Crushbone Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 17	MystsofLedge12 wrote: SmokeJumper wrote: This change doesn't do anything retro-actively at all. The veteran time that you've accumulated to-date is still valid and is preserved. The change mentioned is from that date going forward. So everyone is earning time now, but this changes nothing at all for the vet time accumulated to-date. Right however, anyone petitioned this before your clarification or change should still be elligible to gain all vet rewards from EQ2 activation date. Why? __________________

12-13-2011, 12:36 AM	#103
Marnus Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Tandros os Thol Rank: Archduke Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 275	MystsofLedge12 wrote: Forget all that.... at face value SmokeJumper said you get cred from account creation date. He then made a starting from today comment, he made it vague probably purposely or he could be that dense. So someone needs to file a report with BBB San Diego on the Smoke Blowing SJ did on this. read what i typed what their statment was FALSE (or MISLEADING) ADVERTISEMENT not that Wiki is a trusted source but this info is true http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_advertising Thanks for the laugh I would give real money to hear that phone call..."Hi, BBB? this is Freddy Freeloader here. yeah, this guy on the forums said that i could get vet reward time credited on my account-that i dont pay for currently, but used to, at one time, and even though i accept a legally binding agreement that basically says they can run their game how they please, everytime i log in, I feel i was mislead, and i want to sue for character slots!". rofl. No matter how much they give away, people will never be satisfied.

12-13-2011, 01:25 AM	#104
Nashbry Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 78	SmokeJumper wrote: This change doesn't do anything retro-actively at all. The veteran time that you've accumulated to-date is still valid and is preserved. The change mentioned is from that date going forward. So everyone is earning time now, but this changes nothing at all for the vet time accumulated to-date. This still doesn't address the issue that you spoke upon in your early FAQ's where you claimed that EQ2 and EQ2x histories would be merged and we would get time accumulated for the time we were subscribed on Extended that we weren't on "Live"---of course we were subscribed but apparently our money for that time is second rate.

12-13-2011, 02:25 AM	#105
cowkiller Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 44	SJ when u made freeport server live all my time as a gold acount + the xpacks i bought before u nerfed them and made them FREE are not showing up in my vet rewards all i have are my live acount vet rewards Class Pack 16 (Mystic) Collector's Edition In-Game Item: Exclusive Armored Highland Stalker Custom DYOD Map Layout DYOD Unique Monster Spawner #2 Entitlement: Age of Discovery ***** missing Entitlement: Auction Beta Entitlement: Desert of Flames + In-Game Item: Genie Bottle Entitlement: Destiny of Velious ** missing (Retail) Entitlement: Echoes of Faydwer Entitlement: EverQuest II Beta Access was a blast Entitlement: Kingdom of Sky Entitlement: Rise of Kunark Entitlement: Sentinel's Fate **** missing (retail) Entitlement: The Bloodline Chronicles Entitlement: The Fallen Dynasty Entitlement: The Shadow Odyssey All-In-One Pack *** Missing Retail) Entitlement: The Splitpaw Saga ** cost me 1.75$ EverQuest II In Game Item: Birthday Cake EverQuest II In Game Item: Vodka EverQuest II Silver Membership Flying Pegasus Mount Re-Tint In game Item: 30 slot bag In game Item: Expendables Starter Pack In game Item: Starter furniture kit In-Game Item: 1 Day Vet Reward In-Game Item: 1095 Day Vet Reward In-Game Item: 1461 Day Vet Reward In-Game Item: 182 Day Vet Reward In-Game Item: 30 Day Vet Reward In-Game Item: 365 Day Vet Reward In-Game Item: 547 Day Vet Reward In-Game Item: 7 Day Vet Reward In-Game Item: 730 Day Vet Reward In-Game Item: 90 Day Vet Reward In-Game Item: AA Scroll In-Game Item: AoD DYOD Unique Monster Spawner #1 In-Game Item: AoD Digital Pre-Order Bonus Beastlord Cloak In-Game Item: Booster Pack & Frozen Fingers In-Game Item: Carnivorous Plant In-Game Item: Cloak of the Clearing In-Game Item: Cloak of the Void (requires The Shadow Odyssey) In-Game Item: Clockwork Copter In-Game Item: Cockatrice House Pet In-Game Item: December Velious Reward Bundle In-Game Item: Dire Bear Pet and Mount In-Game Item: EQII Five Year Veteran Rewards In-Game Item: February Velious Mount Reward In-Game Item: Freeblood Race Velious Reward In-Game Item: Gazing Orb In-Game Item: Guarding of the Learned Armor In-Game Item: Guarding of the Reasoned Armor In-Game Item: Heritage In-Game Item: Icewind Komodo In-Game Item: January Velious Reward Bundle In-Game Item: Leaping Vulrich In-Game Item: Legends Aquarium In-Game Item: Mysterious Shard In-Game Item: Painting: Dragons In-Game Item: Painting:Grand Master Lu Sun In-Game Item: Paintings of EQII In-Game Item: Pet Monkey In-Game Item: Picture of the Desert of Ro In-Game Item: Ring of T'Haen In-Game Item: Stalwart Stallion In-Game Item: Superior XP Potion In-Game Item: Talking Statues In-Game Item: Tapestry of Silken Glory In-Game Item: Timeless Crusader In-Game Item: Velious Portal Pack In-Game Item: XP Potion In-Game Item: Character Slots In-Game Items: EQII Living Legacy Promo Items In-Game item: Snow Pet In-GameItem: Roadyle's Tapestry LON Set 10: Brown Bovich LON Set 10: Painting: Tunare LON item: Draught of Ingenuity LON: The Fall of Erudin Scenario LoN Item: Vapor Gloves Painting: Illisia Painting: Taking Flight Prestige Home - Lavastorm Winter Residence Race Pack 3 (Kerra, Froglok, and Arasai) Race Pack 6 Robe of the Truespirit Starter and Booster Pack: Oathbreaker Set Universal Trial: Green Journeyman's Cloak & Potion Pack Warder Pet and yet i only have 5 year 30 days http://s39.photobucket.com/albums/e...=EQ2_000003.png __________________ CowBlade Berzerker 92 freeport server Cowkiller 67 barb shammy karana server 7 years EQ1 Cowkiller 90 Mystic freeport eq2x Cowkiller 42 mystic mistmoore server eq2 EverQuest 2 Beta Tester EverQuest 1 Beta tester

12-13-2011, 03:17 AM	#106
MystsofLedge12 Lord Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 189	ezdami@Crushbone wrote: Why? Well its simple, he made a promise last week, which was recanted and clarified this week. And when someone says something even if they don't say it correctly well free or not they must deliver, its not a matter of cost its a matter of principle and honor and more importantly the LAW. My account was created July 2006 (5 years 5 months + 12 months from expansions = 6 years 6 months) yet i am credited with 4 years 8 Months 20 Days. I want my vet rewards. Yes i did take 2 or 3 years off game. Now to add insult to this injury I have guild mates who've taken time off, albeit more sporadically who have full vet rewards. Mostly i'd like the vitality refill and COV, and its a slow week for me so I am going all Ralph Nader on this, and hey when they realize this everyone will benefit (or at least thos of us who have taken time off, or are returning) __________________ Galatians 5:1 It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.

12-13-2011, 03:45 AM	#107
daalberith Lord Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 85	I don't really care when the time started accumulating to be honest. It's free stuff, so I'll take what they give me. What gets me is that I have one account that was created on Nov 13 '04 showing 2137 days on it, all properly paid time up until the 6th of this month, with no vet rewards to claim at all. And then I have another account created on Nov 12 '10 showing 755 days on it, maybe 90 days of it paid time and credit given for expansions that the account didn't even exist for when they went live, with all of it's applicable vet rewards available. I don't even want to think what kind of mess I would have to deal with if I re-opened my other two older SOE accounts. However the time is calculated, fine. Make it consistant and I'm sure we can all find a way to live with it. But at least make what ever it is you guys are doing work correctly so we can actually claim the vet rewards for whatever time it is our accounts are supposed to actually have. __________________ "The only limitations to our potential are those boundaries which we refuse to cross." Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."

12-13-2011, 06:10 AM	#108
dawy Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,373	SmokeJumper wrote: This change doesn't do anything retro-actively at all. The veteran time that you've accumulated to-date is still valid and is preserved. The change mentioned is from that date going forward. So everyone is earning time now, but this changes nothing at all for the vet time accumulated to-date. It is good news but please make all your statements this clear from now on,lol,there'd be no confusion then

12-13-2011, 06:23 AM	#109
simianthief Lord Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 49	Myst, take a pill. You may cause yourself a cardiac. I would hate to see a busy week for you, life must be so stressful. I still don't see anywhere where SJ promised anything that hasn't been delivered. You realize they don't even have to do it at all, right? And thank you for stepping into the forums SJ. Glad to see the trolls haven't kept you out completely.

12-13-2011, 06:42 AM	#110
Gorpier Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: USA Posts: 320	Sorry but I agree with Myst here. The way that post was worded, everyone was being counted from account creation date. I'd be very happy if they took away all my +90's and just gave me my straight account date time. Account started August 05 would be 6 years 4 months as opposed to with the +90's and a 2 year break being 4years 10 months. Just seems like f2p's are getting all kinds of concessions and freebies for not paying for an account while the folks that have paid for many years are getting hosed. shrug Just my point of view. __________________

12-13-2011, 10:24 AM	#111
cowkiller Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 44	some of eq2x did pay for( GOLD) (PLAT) Acounts per months - years same as live and did buy the x-packs but no vet rewards were given. nor could we uses are vet rewards we had on live till soe made freeport server a live server. now that soe has made the game all f2p still think vet rewards should be for people that do pay the 15$ per months its was a perk for paying to play __________________ CowBlade Berzerker 92 freeport server Cowkiller 67 barb shammy karana server 7 years EQ1 Cowkiller 90 Mystic freeport eq2x Cowkiller 42 mystic mistmoore server eq2 EverQuest 2 Beta Tester EverQuest 1 Beta tester

12-13-2011, 10:47 AM	#112
Mystfit Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 2,984	MystsofLedge12 wrote: Well its simple, he made a promise last week, which was recanted and clarified this week. And when someone says something even if they don't say it correctly well free or not they must deliver, its not a matter of cost its a matter of principle and honor and more importantly the LAW. Principle and honor?? No, reading into something the way that benefits one the most to get free stuff mebbe, but nothing honorable in trying to milk a situation dry. __________________

12-13-2011, 11:33 AM	#113
Iad Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 250	Mystfit wrote: MystsofLedge12 wrote: Well its simple, he made a promise last week, which was recanted and clarified this week. And when someone says something even if they don't say it correctly well free or not they must deliver, its not a matter of cost its a matter of principle and honor and more importantly the LAW. Principle and honor?? No, reading into something the way that benefits one the most to get free stuff mebbe, but nothing honorable in trying to milk a situation dry. "All players will get veteran rewards based on the date of their account creation." Why would anyone get the assumption that this change is retroactive...

12-13-2011, 11:47 AM	#114
Marnus Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Tandros os Thol Rank: Archduke Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 275	Iad wrote: Mystfit wrote: MystsofLedge12 wrote: Well its simple, he made a promise last week, which was recanted and clarified this week. And when someone says something even if they don't say it correctly well free or not they must deliver, its not a matter of cost its a matter of principle and honor and more importantly the LAW. Principle and honor?? No, reading into something the way that benefits one the most to get free stuff mebbe, but nothing honorable in trying to milk a situation dry. "All players will get veteran rewards based on the date of their account creation." Why would anyone get the assumption that this change is retroactive... You left out the "starting now" part

12-13-2011, 12:03 PM	#115
Mystfit Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 2,984	Marnus@Antonia Bayle wrote: Iad wrote: Mystfit wrote: MystsofLedge12 wrote: Well its simple, he made a promise last week, which was recanted and clarified this week. And when someone says something even if they don't say it correctly well free or not they must deliver, its not a matter of cost its a matter of principle and honor and more importantly the LAW. Principle and honor?? No, reading into something the way that benefits one the most to get free stuff mebbe, but nothing honorable in trying to milk a situation dry. "All players will get veteran rewards based on the date of their account creation." Why would anyone get the assumption that this change is retroactive... You left out the "starting now" part I dont' question even one bit that it was worded oddly and confusing and needed clarification. What I DON'T get is the temper tantrum being thrown by a few people who WERE NOT PAYING for the game for years but want, no, DEMAND SOE address this confusion by giving them the world on a plate. __________________

12-13-2011, 12:06 PM	#116
Iad Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 250	I agree, people shouldn't expect anything for free. That statement is clearly misleading and poorly written, though.

12-13-2011, 12:09 PM	#117
simianthief Lord Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 49	After reviewing what was originally written, there is room for a discussion on the post. SJ did, in fact, say from account creation. By the wording listed we should expect our veteran status to be from the date the account was created, and HOLY COW AM I REALLY THAT OLD?! However, there is also the point of expected performance (or whatever the legalise for it is, I am sick and feeding a 1 year old, cut me some slack) in which you can only expect to be held accountable for reasonable things you would/could do. Based on that I would say from the time your account added EQ2 to it would be the best possible way to interpret what SJ said. Based on what has been posted SINCE then however, it is clear that was not the original intent of the message. Check with your local law maker.

12-13-2011, 02:25 PM	#118
Kreton Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 222	I have 2 silver accounts that were previously subs that no longer can even claim the vet rewards they had already earned. I thought this was suppose to be fixed so that everyone had access to the rewards they had before.

12-13-2011, 03:02 PM	#119
MystsofLedge12 Lord Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 189	I haven't been stressed in the least bit. The original post is so vague that I read it as everyone gets vet rewards from the date of account creation. and from the original post copied verbatim a complete sentence " *All players will get veteran rewards based on the date of their account creation. "* The original post never specifically implied that this new thing was only as of starting on a certain date, looking ex post facto, the "So starting from today, that’s what’s going to happen." stated the true intent. This may not have been purposely vague but, SOE can give us some concessions here they aready fleeced us on the price of AoD and well legally they are required to do so. __________________ Galatians 5:1 It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.

12-13-2011, 05:38 PM	#120
Mike585 Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: New York Posts: 13	Cowkiller@Mistmoore wrote: now that soe has made the game all f2p still think vet rewards should be for people that do pay the 15$ per months it was a perk for paying to play Since when is a "vet reward" supposed to be a perk for paying to play? I have always been loyal to this game, no matter if I tried other games or took short breaks. I always come back to this game no matter what. It would be nice to be credited for my loyalty, if anything. I also have not been able to afford to pay for all these years. So as I take it only those people who are able to afford it are lucky enough to be rewarded? I know a lot of people (including myself) who played EQ2x during these unfortunate times. Those who actually payed for all these years should just get rewarded something else. At least then those who are less fortunate have something to look forward to when finally being able to return to the game. Also, what does it even matter now when people who are "not playing" currently are receiving the vet time bonus anyway?