An open letter to SoE - Page 4

Golbezz · 12-01-2011, 08:30 PM

Bluescreen404 wrote:

Parting note to SoE -- If the exit survey had actually allowed me to provide detailed feedback, instead of check a few boxes, I would have written my thoughts there, rather than posting it publicly on the forums for current and potential customers to read.

Even the exit survey lacks content I guess.

I just picked leaving for another game because it is true.

Banditman · 12-01-2011, 08:39 PM

EVE Online recently had a similiar situation in their community. The focus on the core of their game got lost amid peripheral and "fluffy" things. Their customers became increasingly upset, and were more and more unwilling to continue their experience there.

In the end, the Devs at CCP listened, and in a rather blunt way said "You're right. We've lost our focus on what got us here. Spaceships. We're going to put the focus back on that." And they did.

If only some other game company I could name would do the same.

Raknid · 12-01-2011, 09:29 PM

There is a pretty prominent gaming forum that has an MMORPG section of their boards. Telling, to me, is that the front page goes back a little over two weeks and there is not a single thread mentioning EQ2. Yet, we are less than a week out from the expansion.

IMHO, the variety of titles mentioned here indicates that it is not a forum interested in only one facet of gaming. The Devs, Producers, and Smed need to take a real hard look and think about why EQ2 is not on this list. For goodness sakes...Vanguard is on there.

These are thread names that go back a little over two weeks...

Thread titles

EQ Progression ServerProject 1999 Red: Classic Everquest PvP Go to first new post [WoW] 4.0 - Horde BDF DCUO Live Thread Star Wars: The Old Republic Poll: EQ1 - Interrupting spellcasting [EQ1] Expansion #18 Announced: Veil of Aliris 38 Studios Copernicus, Mercury and other stuff FoH guide to EVE Online Rift: Planes of Telara (Heroes of Telara), and E3 '09 Firefall Lineage Eternal Star Trek Online ArcheAge from XLGames Pathfinder Online announced.Planetside 2 Funcom reveals 'The Secret World' - a new MMO set in modern day Earth Elder Scrolls MMO Coming? [Vanguard] New group content, raid mobs The Rebirth - WoW Vanilla Server open! GWorld of Darkness Online Interesting Darkfall Update Hi-Rez Studios making 'Tribes' MMOFPS Guild Wars 2 is coming... Total Recall MMO

Fugazl · 12-01-2011, 10:05 PM

I'm going to try my hardest to stay entertained till February, even though I can see myself quitting before then since I'm unhappy as we speak.

Also I deactivated one of my 2 accounts, since everyone I play with decided to leave last week I won't have the need to run back to back weeklies. Besides the no new content to run through....oh wait they added a new level 20 PQ I forgot. Pffft.

Hope things change quickly and all the Dev decide to keep us informed this next round.

Ilovecows · 12-01-2011, 11:51 PM

Golbezz wrote:

Bluescreen404 wrote:
Parting note to SoE -- If the exit survey had actually allowed me to provide detailed feedback, instead of check a few boxes, I would have written my thoughts there, rather than posting it publicly on the forums for current and potential customers to read.
Even the exit survey lacks content I guess.
I just picked leaving for another game because it is true.

When i canceled my second account a couple years ago, there was a box where you could give a detailed feedback and an explenation as to why you left. Did they change it recently?

Elskidor · 12-02-2011, 12:04 AM

Didn't give me or my friend the option the other day. We clicked limited box choices, but a detailed box never came up.

Golbezz · 12-02-2011, 12:48 AM

Steppen@Nagafen wrote:

When i canceled my second account a couple years ago, there was a box where you could give a detailed feedback and an explenation as to why you left. Did they change it recently?

There wasn't any text box when it decided to cancel. I do remember seeing a text box in the past when I let a sub expire so I could switch it to a different payment source. There were only 2 questions asked, why I was leaving (I chose leaving for another game which is SWtOR) and I think the second was if I expect to come back to the game with the choices yes, no, maybe.

I'm thinking SOE figured more players would take the time to check a few boxes rather than ignore a longer survey when they decided to cancel. Either way it didn't stop me from making the comment about the survey lacking content.

millie · 12-02-2011, 01:34 AM

Golbezz wrote:

Steppen@Nagafen wrote:
When i canceled my second account a couple years ago, there was a box where you could give a detailed feedback and an explenation as to why you left. Did they change it recently?
There wasn't any text box when it decided to cancel. I do remember seeing a text box in the past when I let a sub expire so I could switch it to a different payment source. There were only 2 questions asked, why I was leaving (I chose leaving for another game which is SWtOR) and I think the second was if I expect to come back to the game with the choices yes, no, maybe.
I'm thinking SOE figured more players would take the time to check a few boxes rather than ignore a longer survey when they decided to cancel. Either way it didn't stop me from making the comment about the survey lacking content.

I am circling around at the moment. Been playing LoTRO instead. Not excited about it just thought I would give it another go because of the downward spiral in EQ2. SWtOR has not excited me but I might take a look at it now.

Nuhus · 12-02-2011, 01:42 AM

I'm sorry I've been here this long.

Original Activation Date: November 11, 2004

CURRENT GAME PASS PLAN:

1 Month Recurring

(game pass plan expires 12/1/11)

CatamanderEQ2 · 12-02-2011, 02:27 AM

The silence from the devs is deafening while RadarX is running around locking threads left and right to try to shut down legitimate complaints from customers.

Can't deliver an even moderately decent product at a fair price? I know! Let's censor the customer complaints!

Ilovecows · 12-02-2011, 02:38 AM

CatamanderEQ2 wrote:

The silence from the devs is deafening while RadarX is running around locking threads left and right to try to shut down legitimate complaints from customers.
Can't deliver an even moderately decent product at a fair price? I know! Let's censor the customer complaints!

lol you sound very angry. Maybe people when they want to make threads should keep them within the forum guidlines. There aren't that many of them. Go read them and consider them before posting in the future and your threads won't be locked.

And if you think that your thread has been locked in error, send an email to the forum mods and complain.

Ilovecows · 12-02-2011, 02:38 AM

millie wrote:

Golbezz wrote:
Steppen@Nagafen wrote:
When i canceled my second account a couple years ago, there was a box where you could give a detailed feedback and an explenation as to why you left. Did they change it recently?
There wasn't any text box when it decided to cancel. I do remember seeing a text box in the past when I let a sub expire so I could switch it to a different payment source. There were only 2 questions asked, why I was leaving (I chose leaving for another game which is SWtOR) and I think the second was if I expect to come back to the game with the choices yes, no, maybe.
I'm thinking SOE figured more players would take the time to check a few boxes rather than ignore a longer survey when they decided to cancel. Either way it didn't stop me from making the comment about the survey lacking content.
I am circling around at the moment. Been playing LoTRO instead. Not excited about it just thought I would give it another go because of the downward spiral in EQ2. SWtOR has not excited me but I might take a look at it now.

I suggest looking at the secret world. It won't come out for a while but it looks pretty good.

Golbezz · 12-02-2011, 02:41 AM

CatamanderEQ2 wrote:

The silence from the devs is deafening while RadarX is running around locking threads left and right to try to shut down legitimate complaints from customers.
Can't deliver an even moderately decent product at a fair price? I know! Let's censor the customer complaints!

I think people who might be trying to decide if they want to leave or not will see the complaints being locked and figure something must be really wrong since complaints are being locked. It makes it seem like there is something to hide.... possibly the number of angry customers?

SOE-MOD-04 · 12-02-2011, 02:47 AM

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millie · 12-02-2011, 03:15 AM

Steppen@Nagafen wrote:

millie wrote:
Golbezz wrote:
Steppen@Nagafen wrote:
When i canceled my second account a couple years ago, there was a box where you could give a detailed feedback and an explenation as to why you left. Did they change it recently?
There wasn't any text box when it decided to cancel. I do remember seeing a text box in the past when I let a sub expire so I could switch it to a different payment source. There were only 2 questions asked, why I was leaving (I chose leaving for another game which is SWtOR) and I think the second was if I expect to come back to the game with the choices yes, no, maybe.
I'm thinking SOE figured more players would take the time to check a few boxes rather than ignore a longer survey when they decided to cancel. Either way it didn't stop me from making the comment about the survey lacking content.
I am circling around at the moment. Been playing LoTRO instead. Not excited about it just thought I would give it another go because of the downward spiral in EQ2. SWtOR has not excited me but I might take a look at it now.
I suggest looking at the secret world. It won't come out for a while but it looks pretty good.

I have and it does but April plus some slippage means casting around for a while

Te'ana · 12-02-2011, 03:59 AM

I will stay and buy the expansion, but I am sad to see that EQ2 has moved into it's last days. The new stuff will allow players to develop the future content of EQ2 while the paid devs will focus on EQNext.

Coilean · 12-02-2011, 06:24 AM

/signed first post

at the moment it feels like driving a car against a wall

BowB4Me · 12-02-2011, 08:56 AM

/signed first post. Have been playing since beta - cancelled my New Year's renewal for the first time. Going f2p and looking at SWTOR as a possible replacement. Unless they are totlly awful I may not return to EQ2 - and I won't miss it if AoD is the future. Am VERY sad about this VERY sad indeed

lyndonuk · 12-02-2011, 09:48 AM

/signed.

Two great posts on the first page, the one regarding 'customers who never complain, but who never come back' was spot on.

On Facebook SOE are talking in their posts as if this so called expansion is the best thing like sliced bread, like its chock full of bangs for your bucks, they could be talking about a totally different game.

I can envision them in their cushioned ivory tower, the mad mob crowing for blood at its base, but they look over that out into the some idilic viewscape, which in reality is just a back projection of Alice in Wonderland.

They are out of touch, they dont listen cos they stupidly think we are the minority, they dont care either, EQ2 is now SWG Mk2.

RIP EQ2

Darkennz · 12-02-2011, 11:50 AM

/signed first post

To be quite honest, I think this new "expansion" is the epitome of fail for SOE. It can't get any worse than this. They are asking us to pay $40 for 20 AA's, really? Throw in what's most likely going to be an OP class (the beastlord) and a useless dungeon maker that will obviously go great with the new Dungeon Finder (sarcasm) and you have something that is beyond baffling. I mean, c'mon now, there is no logic about this at all. EQ2 players are smarter than that, and especially in these tough economic times you think we will part with $40 for nothing but fluff? I don't think so.

I'm curious as to what their plan of action is once they realize that they won't get nearly as many buyers of this so called "expansion". Will they finally get the hint?

Who knows...

ShinGoku · 12-02-2011, 12:49 PM

/sign to the OP's points. I couldn't agree more.

Now, here is where my opinion comes in.

Firstly: For ages now, Sony has offered "all in one" expansion packs. That didn't help us VETS out as we had already paid for each expansion as it came out. For a long time now I have been asking for a discounted "only the new expac" bundle. It seems sony only half understood as the new expac is no longer an all in one. Why are you still chargin the same price then?

Second: Whats up with the pricing? There is simply NO CHANCE that I'm spending £30.00 on a handful of features that really won't enhance my game play!

Third: A previous poster mentioned that EQ1 doesn't get any content between expansions, other than raid zones, can you tell me what content EQ2 has recieved?

Forth and in closing. Good job on aggrivating so many people in one stroke folks, I already have 5 people cancelling their subs in my guild alone!

stgninja · 12-02-2011, 01:25 PM

Meh, I'm staying. The day I stop having fun is the day I quit EQ2.

Nuhus · 12-02-2011, 01:31 PM

Smokejumper Wrote on EQ2X

I've said this before, but it gets lost on these boards, so I'll throw it out there one more time. Warning: This isn't short.

The second half of Velious was designed to be a separate expansion pack. We fully intended *and started* to create "Velious Part II" so we could launch it next year.

But we decided it would be a lot cooler, and honestly, a lot better business, to release new content constantly throughout the year, so that you always have something new to look forward to and to play, rather than race through one set of content once annually and then sit around waiting for the rest of the year.

But content takes time to create. LOTS of time. (We have many parallel developments going constantly here, with staggered release schedules.) The art team has been banging on Withered Lands, Skyshrine, Cobalt Scar, Siren's Grotto, and a lot more, some of it for over six months now. That art starts wrapping up soon so it can move over to design and they can start making it breathe...and there's still more to do (like remaking Qeynos) before the art team starts making other content beyond that.

So we instead decided to release "Velious Part II" as new content and make it continuing expansion content releases for those that bought Destiny of Velious. In between those releases, we also determined to revamp Freeport, Qeynos, and to add as much content as possible to the already existing areas so that even players that don't own Velious would see new content constantly.

And yes, all for free.

We *like* giving content away for free. We like it as players, and we like it as developers. Our job is to entertain you. More content does that job well. So that's why we made the switch.

There may come a day when we decide to charge for area and quest content again. But we would prefer to not do so. We'd rather find other ways to sustain the business and let you guys just keep finding new stuff and enjoying the game. We know that this is an original concept in our niche of the industry. Certainly, none of our major competitors does this. Maybe that's not a good reason to try something, but it does mean we're breaking new ground. And we like that. So we're finding new paths.

As for AoD, I'm going to let it speak for itself. I gave the press tours myself and I watched how impressed the journalists got as they found out more about the features. We know these features are game changers in many good ways, and the vibe we're getting from "the world out there" is that people are starting to notice us again, which is just cool for so many reasons, I don't feel the need to elaborate. So yeah, the expansion is completely worth the money. Personally, I'd buy it in a heartbeat as a player. Beastlords are a blast, I've always wanted to build content in an MMO as a player (Dungeon Maker), Mercenaries are just danged useful and let you explore so much more of the game as a small group, and Tradeskill Apprentices, and Reforging...well...it's just a very good collection of features that are level-agnostic and fun for tons of people.

You'll have to decide for yourself, however. That's just my opinion. But if it's raids, dungeons, PQs, new quests, etc. that you want...well...it's coming. Lots of it. And there's no new admittance charge.

Dear Sir.

I did not recalling seeing when I purchased DoV that I was only buying half of it.

Smokejumper wrote:

So, you’re probably curious how EQII will be growing and changing in 2011, right?

Well, it’s finally time to share. This year is all about content and entertainment and we intend to give you plenty of both. The following outlines some of the broad strokes to get you thinking about what’s coming…and possibly just a little excited, as well.

First of all, if you’re a “Destiny of Velious” owner, you’re going to be *extremely* happy that you made that purchase. Why? Because DoV is going to be the biggest, best expansion that has ever been made. We’ll be releasing content on a regular basis that continues to tell the “Age’s End Prophecy” saga, and the only price of admission is that you own DoV. The Age’s End story gets really big before it’s done and it’s going to take us a good chunk of time to tell it all, but we’ll do so by releasing chapters of it every few months and building the story a bit at a time. Velious is a big place, and so is this story. It’ll be a good ride.

Secondly, we’re going to revamp Freeport and make Evil an exciting place to be. Freeport (and next year, Qeynos) will become multi-level adventure hubs with instanced content at many levels. The city itself is also getting a facelift as Freeport reorganizes itself to retake its place as a driving power of the world. Additionally, it’s becoming a single zone (instead of many sub-divisions) and flyable. When we upgrade Qeynos, it will get the same visual upgrade and zone treatment, and will bring back the “Greater Good”.

The Gods of Norrath will be returning to once again directly muck about with the lives of mortals. Too long has the world of Norrath spun along on its own axis. It’s time again for it to feel the touch of the divine.

On the non-content side of things, we’re going to be working on a lot of stuff “under the hood” to make your gameplay better. We’re looking into ways to increase the speed of our game and graphics engine, some of which could be very significant, which would obviously make raids and public quests a lot more fun, as well as boosting smoothness of gameplay for everyone. We’re revamping the way that our terrain is created so that we can bring you content more quickly, but still with high quality, thus increasing how big the world can become.

And last but not least, we’re crafting a host of new features and fun ways to play the game. Some of our current ideas are way outside the box for an MMO and we’re pushing hard to bring you new experiences (more on these later!).

We’re already one of the best MMOs out there. This year we’re going to become even more unique and exciting. 2011 is a good year to be Norrathian.

-- Dave “Smokejumper” Georgeson

P.S., A detailed feature list of the upcoming GU 60 will be announced soon, and more elements of the longer-ranged features will roll out in successive months. This letter is just to let you know the general direction of where we’re going and what to expect.

Wait, what? You were telling me we were getting this stuff because we purchased DoV?

Then your saying you were going to sell us the second half? And now your graciously giving it to us for free?

Yeah, I'm done. What a bunch of stuff you all try to feed us.

Its been how long since DoV? Wheres all the content?

ranga · 12-02-2011, 02:09 PM

Nuhus wrote:

...
First of all, if you’re a “Destiny of Velious” owner, you’re going to be *extremely* happy that you made that purchase. Why? Because DoV is going to be the biggest, best expansion that has ever been made. We’ll be releasing content on a regular basis that continues to tell the “Age’s End Prophecy” saga, and the only price of admission is that you own DoV. The Age’s End story gets really big before it’s done and it’s going to take us a good chunk of time to tell it all, but we’ll do so by releasing chapters of it every few months and building the story a bit at a time. Velious is a big place, and so is this story. It’ll be a good ride.
-- Dave “Smokejumper” Georgeson
P.S., A detailed feature list of the upcoming GU 60 will be announced soon, and more elements of the longer-ranged features will roll out in successive months. This letter is just to let you know the general direction of where we’re going and what to expect.
Its been how long since DoV? Wheres all the content?

This. Exactly.

I'm actually quite neutral about AoD now. If I don't want it, I don't have to buy it. Fair enough.

At this point, I'm quite neutral about F2P too, the jury is out at this point, we won't know how it will pan out until after it's here.

What I'm not neutral about is the above. I remember being promised the 'regular' content updates too. I think it was mooted that quarterly was what to expect. Now we find out that this content will take until 2013 to roll out.

Vlahkmaak · 12-02-2011, 02:43 PM

I was really hoping for 25+ AA personally.

jamzez · 12-02-2011, 03:03 PM

I was really hopin Hartsman would comeback to soe.

chelanfarsight · 12-02-2011, 03:14 PM

i like eq2, i will continue to play eq2, for now. im not going to judge the f2p move, though i have my reservations, it could be good for the game as a whole, perhaps not. no point in worrying about it now.

i love that several companies now are moving towards player generated content to supplement developer content. i have no issues with that.

hirelings make sense in a game where finding low level groups becomes increasingly more difficult and where you are about to open the floodgates to lots of new folks in f2p. who will be less likely to be a fit with a community that supports grouping and actually needs the AI help for content.

i dont even mind the SC shop, it has its advantages. i use it mostly for mounts and a wee bit of fluff.

however, AoD, while it may be utility rich in your eyes, these are all things that could have been released over time or all at once as a GU. Why is this not an expac? Because of the lack of actual content really. The dungeonmaker, the hirelings, even the beastlord are surely interesting aspects, yet, again, these could have been saved for a real expac with content (which includes, but is not limited to, new zones, quests, races, classes, and perhaps most importantly: story arcs).

sadly, im going to have to go with the OP and say

/signed

Ruut Li · 12-02-2011, 03:31 PM

/signed first post

rip eq2

millie · 12-02-2011, 06:15 PM

/signed

If AoD is optional, and I think it is. Then it is not a compelling set of features. Nor does it provide a scintilla of extra content.

In that case why is it still priced as if it was a “must have” expansion?

Now SoE can charge what they like. If people see value for money they will buy it, some will even buy it out of habit.

But no one should be at all surprised that the community think it is a rip off and a sick joke.

Quisical · 12-02-2011, 06:17 PM

I do not agree with the OP. This is currently the richest and most fun MMO I have played. Period.

I have played on and off since launch. I have 4 90's and various other toons, and I still enjoy the game. I have played many MMOs and not one has come close to the amount of content in EQ2. Sure SOE has made some odd design choices, but what game hasn`t dropped the ball a few times ?

I for one am very happy with Smokejumper's vision for EQ2: actually adding new game features and content. So much better than just more zones, more levels, more gear, more spells. Constanly adding zones to a game just spreads out the playerbase and leaves many old zones unused and empty. How many zones in EQ1 these day? Too many !

I can not wait to see what he does with EQ3!

Keep up the good work.

Signed : A happy Customer.

12-01-2011, 08:30 PM	#91
Golbezz Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 601	Bluescreen404 wrote: Parting note to SoE -- If the exit survey had actually allowed me to provide detailed feedback, instead of check a few boxes, I would have written my thoughts there, rather than posting it publicly on the forums for current and potential customers to read. Even the exit survey lacks content I guess. I just picked leaving for another game because it is true.

12-01-2011, 08:39 PM	#92
Banditman Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,459	EVE Online recently had a similiar situation in their community. The focus on the core of their game got lost amid peripheral and "fluffy" things. Their customers became increasingly upset, and were more and more unwilling to continue their experience there. In the end, the Devs at CCP listened, and in a rather blunt way said "You're right. We've lost our focus on what got us here. Spaceships. We're going to put the focus back on that." And they did. If only some other game company I could name would do the same. __________________

12-01-2011, 11:51 PM	#95
Ilovecows Server: Nagafen Guild: The Catalyst Rank: Initiate (1k Status) Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 795	Golbezz wrote: Bluescreen404 wrote: Parting note to SoE -- If the exit survey had actually allowed me to provide detailed feedback, instead of check a few boxes, I would have written my thoughts there, rather than posting it publicly on the forums for current and potential customers to read. Even the exit survey lacks content I guess. I just picked leaving for another game because it is true. When i canceled my second account a couple years ago, there was a box where you could give a detailed feedback and an explenation as to why you left. Did they change it recently? __________________ All people suck and are idiots. Only believe yourself. I AM ILOVECOWS! REMEMBER THAT BECAUSE I LOVE COWS. YOU SHOULD LOVE THEM TOO. COWS ARE AMAZING AND I DON'T SEE HOW ANYONE COULD POSSIBLY SAY THAT THEY AREN'T AMAZING. JUST LOOK AT THEIR NATURAL BEAUTY AND GRACE. THE AMAZINGNESS OF THESE ANIMALS ASTOUNDS ME EVERY TIME THAT I SEE THEM. DON'T HATE ON ME FOR THIS, BUT IF YOU DO NOT LOVE COWS, YOU ARE NOT A REAL PERSON.

12-02-2011, 12:48 AM	#97
Golbezz Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 601	Steppen@Nagafen wrote: When i canceled my second account a couple years ago, there was a box where you could give a detailed feedback and an explenation as to why you left. Did they change it recently? There wasn't any text box when it decided to cancel. I do remember seeing a text box in the past when I let a sub expire so I could switch it to a different payment source. There were only 2 questions asked, why I was leaving (I chose leaving for another game which is SWtOR) and I think the second was if I expect to come back to the game with the choices yes, no, maybe. I'm thinking SOE figured more players would take the time to check a few boxes rather than ignore a longer survey when they decided to cancel. Either way it didn't stop me from making the comment about the survey lacking content.

12-02-2011, 01:34 AM	#98
millie Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 204	Golbezz wrote: Steppen@Nagafen wrote: When i canceled my second account a couple years ago, there was a box where you could give a detailed feedback and an explenation as to why you left. Did they change it recently? There wasn't any text box when it decided to cancel. I do remember seeing a text box in the past when I let a sub expire so I could switch it to a different payment source. There were only 2 questions asked, why I was leaving (I chose leaving for another game which is SWtOR) and I think the second was if I expect to come back to the game with the choices yes, no, maybe. I'm thinking SOE figured more players would take the time to check a few boxes rather than ignore a longer survey when they decided to cancel. Either way it didn't stop me from making the comment about the survey lacking content. I am circling around at the moment. Been playing LoTRO instead. Not excited about it just thought I would give it another go because of the downward spiral in EQ2. SWtOR has not excited me but I might take a look at it now.

12-01-2011, 09:29 PM	#93
Raknid Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,421	There is a pretty prominent gaming forum that has an MMORPG section of their boards. Telling, to me, is that the front page goes back a little over two weeks and there is not a single thread mentioning EQ2. Yet, we are less than a week out from the expansion. IMHO, the variety of titles mentioned here indicates that it is not a forum interested in only one facet of gaming. The Devs, Producers, and Smed need to take a real hard look and think about why EQ2 is not on this list. For goodness sakes...Vanguard is on there. These are thread names that go back a little over two weeks... Thread titles EQ Progression ServerProject 1999 Red: Classic Everquest PvP Go to first new post [WoW] 4.0 - Horde BDF DCUO Live Thread Star Wars: The Old Republic Poll: EQ1 - Interrupting spellcasting [EQ1] Expansion #18 Announced: Veil of Aliris 38 Studios Copernicus, Mercury and other stuff FoH guide to EVE Online Rift: Planes of Telara (Heroes of Telara), and E3 '09 Firefall Lineage Eternal Star Trek Online ArcheAge from XLGames Pathfinder Online announced.Planetside 2 Funcom reveals 'The Secret World' - a new MMO set in modern day Earth Elder Scrolls MMO Coming? [Vanguard] New group content, raid mobs The Rebirth - WoW Vanilla Server open! GWorld of Darkness Online Interesting Darkfall Update Hi-Rez Studios making 'Tribes' MMOFPS Guild Wars 2 is coming... Total Recall MMO

12-01-2011, 10:05 PM	#94
Fugazl Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 57	I'm going to try my hardest to stay entertained till February, even though I can see myself quitting before then since I'm unhappy as we speak. Also I deactivated one of my 2 accounts, since everyone I play with decided to leave last week I won't have the need to run back to back weeklies. Besides the no new content to run through....oh wait they added a new level 20 PQ I forgot. Pffft. Hope things change quickly and all the Dev decide to keep us informed this next round.

12-02-2011, 12:04 AM	#96
Elskidor Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 509	Didn't give me or my friend the option the other day. We clicked limited box choices, but a detailed box never came up.

12-02-2011, 01:42 AM	#99
Nuhus Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,480	I'm sorry I've been here this long. Original Activation Date: November 11, 2004 CURRENT GAME PASS PLAN: 1 Month Recurring (game pass plan expires 12/1/11) __________________ SOE will kill off EQ2 before it would naturally die.. 11/10/2004-9/19/2010 - for me

12-02-2011, 02:27 AM	#100
CatamanderEQ2 Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 100	The silence from the devs is deafening while RadarX is running around locking threads left and right to try to shut down legitimate complaints from customers. Can't deliver an even moderately decent product at a fair price? I know! Let's censor the customer complaints!

12-02-2011, 02:38 AM	#101
Ilovecows Server: Nagafen Guild: The Catalyst Rank: Initiate (1k Status) Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 795	CatamanderEQ2 wrote: The silence from the devs is deafening while RadarX is running around locking threads left and right to try to shut down legitimate complaints from customers. Can't deliver an even moderately decent product at a fair price? I know! Let's censor the customer complaints! lol you sound very angry. Maybe people when they want to make threads should keep them within the forum guidlines. There aren't that many of them. Go read them and consider them before posting in the future and your threads won't be locked. And if you think that your thread has been locked in error, send an email to the forum mods and complain. __________________ All people suck and are idiots. Only believe yourself. I AM ILOVECOWS! REMEMBER THAT BECAUSE I LOVE COWS. YOU SHOULD LOVE THEM TOO. COWS ARE AMAZING AND I DON'T SEE HOW ANYONE COULD POSSIBLY SAY THAT THEY AREN'T AMAZING. JUST LOOK AT THEIR NATURAL BEAUTY AND GRACE. THE AMAZINGNESS OF THESE ANIMALS ASTOUNDS ME EVERY TIME THAT I SEE THEM. DON'T HATE ON ME FOR THIS, BUT IF YOU DO NOT LOVE COWS, YOU ARE NOT A REAL PERSON.

12-02-2011, 02:38 AM	#102
Ilovecows Server: Nagafen Guild: The Catalyst Rank: Initiate (1k Status) Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 795	millie wrote: Golbezz wrote: Steppen@Nagafen wrote: When i canceled my second account a couple years ago, there was a box where you could give a detailed feedback and an explenation as to why you left. Did they change it recently? There wasn't any text box when it decided to cancel. I do remember seeing a text box in the past when I let a sub expire so I could switch it to a different payment source. There were only 2 questions asked, why I was leaving (I chose leaving for another game which is SWtOR) and I think the second was if I expect to come back to the game with the choices yes, no, maybe. I'm thinking SOE figured more players would take the time to check a few boxes rather than ignore a longer survey when they decided to cancel. Either way it didn't stop me from making the comment about the survey lacking content. I am circling around at the moment. Been playing LoTRO instead. Not excited about it just thought I would give it another go because of the downward spiral in EQ2. SWtOR has not excited me but I might take a look at it now. I suggest looking at the secret world. It won't come out for a while but it looks pretty good. __________________ All people suck and are idiots. Only believe yourself. I AM ILOVECOWS! REMEMBER THAT BECAUSE I LOVE COWS. YOU SHOULD LOVE THEM TOO. COWS ARE AMAZING AND I DON'T SEE HOW ANYONE COULD POSSIBLY SAY THAT THEY AREN'T AMAZING. JUST LOOK AT THEIR NATURAL BEAUTY AND GRACE. THE AMAZINGNESS OF THESE ANIMALS ASTOUNDS ME EVERY TIME THAT I SEE THEM. DON'T HATE ON ME FOR THIS, BUT IF YOU DO NOT LOVE COWS, YOU ARE NOT A REAL PERSON.

12-02-2011, 02:41 AM	#103
Golbezz Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 601	CatamanderEQ2 wrote: The silence from the devs is deafening while RadarX is running around locking threads left and right to try to shut down legitimate complaints from customers. Can't deliver an even moderately decent product at a fair price? I know! Let's censor the customer complaints! I think people who might be trying to decide if they want to leave or not will see the complaints being locked and figure something must be really wrong since complaints are being locked. It makes it seem like there is something to hide.... possibly the number of angry customers?

12-02-2011, 02:47 AM	#104
SOE-MOD-04 Community Moderator Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 307	This post has moved: /eq2/posts/preList.m?topic_id=50011...post_id=5665817 Removed for discussing moderators actions

12-02-2011, 03:15 AM	#105
millie Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 204	Steppen@Nagafen wrote: millie wrote: Golbezz wrote: Steppen@Nagafen wrote: When i canceled my second account a couple years ago, there was a box where you could give a detailed feedback and an explenation as to why you left. Did they change it recently? There wasn't any text box when it decided to cancel. I do remember seeing a text box in the past when I let a sub expire so I could switch it to a different payment source. There were only 2 questions asked, why I was leaving (I chose leaving for another game which is SWtOR) and I think the second was if I expect to come back to the game with the choices yes, no, maybe. I'm thinking SOE figured more players would take the time to check a few boxes rather than ignore a longer survey when they decided to cancel. Either way it didn't stop me from making the comment about the survey lacking content. I am circling around at the moment. Been playing LoTRO instead. Not excited about it just thought I would give it another go because of the downward spiral in EQ2. SWtOR has not excited me but I might take a look at it now. I suggest looking at the secret world. It won't come out for a while but it looks pretty good. I have and it does but April plus some slippage means casting around for a while

12-02-2011, 03:59 AM	#106
Te'ana Tester Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 1,807	I will stay and buy the expansion, but I am sad to see that EQ2 has moved into it's last days. The new stuff will allow players to develop the future content of EQ2 while the paid devs will focus on EQNext.

12-02-2011, 06:24 AM	#107
Coilean Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 21	/signed first post at the moment it feels like driving a car against a wall __________________

12-02-2011, 08:56 AM	#108
BowB4Me Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 61	/signed first post. Have been playing since beta - cancelled my New Year's renewal for the first time. Going f2p and looking at SWTOR as a possible replacement. Unless they are totlly awful I may not return to EQ2 - and I won't miss it if AoD is the future. Am VERY sad about this VERY sad indeed

12-02-2011, 09:48 AM	#109
lyndonuk Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Blackpool, UK Posts: 77	/signed. Two great posts on the first page, the one regarding 'customers who never complain, but who never come back' was spot on. On Facebook SOE are talking in their posts as if this so called expansion is the best thing like sliced bread, like its chock full of bangs for your bucks, they could be talking about a totally different game. I can envision them in their cushioned ivory tower, the mad mob crowing for blood at its base, but they look over that out into the some idilic viewscape, which in reality is just a back projection of Alice in Wonderland. They are out of touch, they dont listen cos they stupidly think we are the minority, they dont care either, EQ2 is now SWG Mk2. RIP EQ2 __________________ Varleyne - 90 Troubadour Lyndrah - 90 Necromancer Ashanie - 90 Shadowknight plus some others...

12-02-2011, 11:50 AM	#110
Darkennz Lord Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 52	/signed first post To be quite honest, I think this new "expansion" is the epitome of fail for SOE. It can't get any worse than this. They are asking us to pay $40 for 20 AA's, really? Throw in what's most likely going to be an OP class (the beastlord) and a useless dungeon maker that will obviously go great with the new Dungeon Finder (sarcasm) and you have something that is beyond baffling. I mean, c'mon now, there is no logic about this at all. EQ2 players are smarter than that, and especially in these tough economic times you think we will part with $40 for nothing but fluff? I don't think so. I'm curious as to what their plan of action is once they realize that they won't get nearly as many buyers of this so called "expansion". Will they finally get the hint? Who knows...

12-02-2011, 12:49 PM	#111
ShinGoku Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: UK Posts: 627	/sign to the OP's points. I couldn't agree more. Now, here is where my opinion comes in. Firstly: For ages now, Sony has offered "all in one" expansion packs. That didn't help us VETS out as we had already paid for each expansion as it came out. For a long time now I have been asking for a discounted "only the new expac" bundle. It seems sony only half understood as the new expac is no longer an all in one. Why are you still chargin the same price then? Second: Whats up with the pricing? There is simply NO CHANCE that I'm spending £30.00 on a handful of features that really won't enhance my game play! Third: A previous poster mentioned that EQ1 doesn't get any content between expansions, other than raid zones, can you tell me what content EQ2 has recieved? Forth and in closing. Good job on aggrivating so many people in one stroke folks, I already have 5 people cancelling their subs in my guild alone!

12-02-2011, 01:25 PM	#112
stgninja Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: I'm in your ____, ____ing your ____. Posts: 541	Meh, I'm staying. The day I stop having fun is the day I quit EQ2. __________________

12-02-2011, 01:31 PM	#113
Nuhus Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,480	Smokejumper Wrote on EQ2X I've said this before, but it gets lost on these boards, so I'll throw it out there one more time. Warning: This isn't short. The second half of Velious was designed to be a separate expansion pack. We fully intended and started* to create "Velious Part II" so we could launch it next year.* But we decided it would be a lot cooler, and honestly, a lot better business, to release new content constantly throughout the year, so that you always have something new to look forward to and to play, rather than race through one set of content once annually and then sit around waiting for the rest of the year. But content takes time to create. LOTS of time. (We have many parallel developments going constantly here, with staggered release schedules.) The art team has been banging on Withered Lands, Skyshrine, Cobalt Scar, Siren's Grotto, and a lot more, some of it for over six months now. That art starts wrapping up soon so it can move over to design and they can start making it breathe...and there's still more to do (like remaking Qeynos) before the art team starts making other content beyond that. So we instead decided to release "Velious Part II" as new content and make it continuing expansion content releases for those that bought Destiny of Velious. In between those releases, we also determined to revamp Freeport, Qeynos, and to add as much content as possible to the already existing areas so that even players that don't own Velious would see new content constantly. And yes, all for free. We like* giving content away for free. We like it as players, and we like it as developers. Our job is to entertain you. More content does that job well. So that's why we made the switch.* There may come a day when we decide to charge for area and quest content again. But we would prefer to not do so. We'd rather find other ways to sustain the business and let you guys just keep finding new stuff and enjoying the game. We know that this is an original concept in our niche of the industry. Certainly, none of our major competitors does this. Maybe that's not a good reason to try something, but it does mean we're breaking new ground. And we like that. So we're finding new paths. As for AoD, I'm going to let it speak for itself. I gave the press tours myself and I watched how impressed the journalists got as they found out more about the features. We know these features are game changers in many good ways, and the vibe we're getting from "the world out there" is that people are starting to notice us again, which is just cool for so many reasons, I don't feel the need to elaborate. So yeah, the expansion is completely worth the money. Personally, I'd buy it in a heartbeat as a player. Beastlords are a blast, I've always wanted to build content in an MMO as a player (Dungeon Maker), Mercenaries are just danged useful and let you explore so much more of the game as a small group, and Tradeskill Apprentices, and Reforging...well...it's just a very good collection of features that are level-agnostic and fun for tons of people. You'll have to decide for yourself, however. That's just my opinion. But if it's raids, dungeons, PQs, new quests, etc. that you want...well...it's coming. Lots of it. And there's no new admittance charge. Dear Sir. I did not recalling seeing when I purchased DoV that I was only buying half of it. Smokejumper wrote: So, you’re probably curious how EQII will be growing and changing in 2011, right? Well, it’s finally time to share. This year is all about content and entertainment and we intend to give you plenty of both. The following outlines some of the broad strokes to get you thinking about what’s coming…and possibly just a little excited, as well. First of all, if you’re a “Destiny of Velious” owner, you’re going to be extremely happy that you made that purchase. Why? Because DoV is going to be the biggest, best expansion that has ever been made. We’ll be releasing content on a regular basis that continues to tell the “Age’s End Prophecy” saga, and the only price of admission is that you own DoV. The Age’s End story gets really big before it’s done and it’s going to take us a good chunk of time to tell it all, but we’ll do so by releasing chapters of it every few months and building the story a bit at a time. Velious is a big place, and so is this story. It’ll be a good ride. Secondly, we’re going to revamp Freeport and make Evil an exciting place to be. Freeport (and next year, Qeynos) will become multi-level adventure hubs with instanced content at many levels. The city itself is also getting a facelift as Freeport reorganizes itself to retake its place as a driving power of the world. Additionally, it’s becoming a single zone (instead of many sub-divisions) and flyable. When we upgrade Qeynos, it will get the same visual upgrade and zone treatment, and will bring back the “Greater Good”. The Gods of Norrath will be returning to once again directly muck about with the lives of mortals. Too long has the world of Norrath spun along on its own axis. It’s time again for it to feel the touch of the divine. On the non-content side of things, we’re going to be working on a lot of stuff “under the hood” to make your gameplay better. We’re looking into ways to increase the speed of our game and graphics engine, some of which could be very significant, which would obviously make raids and public quests a lot more fun, as well as boosting smoothness of gameplay for everyone. We’re revamping the way that our terrain is created so that we can bring you content more quickly, but still with high quality, thus increasing how big the world can become. And last but not least, we’re crafting a host of new features and fun ways to play the game. Some of our current ideas are way outside the box for an MMO and we’re pushing hard to bring you new experiences (more on these later!). We’re already one of the best MMOs out there. This year we’re going to become even more unique and exciting. 2011 is a good year to be Norrathian. -- Dave “Smokejumper” Georgeson P.S., A detailed feature list of the upcoming GU 60 will be announced soon, and more elements of the longer-ranged features will roll out in successive months. This letter is just to let you know the general direction of where we’re going and what to expect. Wait, what? You were telling me we were getting this stuff because we purchased DoV? Then your saying you were going to sell us the second half? And now your graciously giving it to us for free? Yeah, I'm done. What a bunch of stuff you all try to feed us. Its been how long since DoV? Wheres all the content? __________________ SOE will kill off EQ2 before it would naturally die.. 11/10/2004-9/19/2010 - for me

12-02-2011, 02:09 PM	#114
ranga Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 393	Nuhus wrote: ... First of all, if you’re a “Destiny of Velious” owner, you’re going to be extremely happy that you made that purchase. Why? Because DoV is going to be the biggest, best expansion that has ever been made. We’ll be releasing content on a regular basis that continues to tell the “Age’s End Prophecy” saga, and the only price of admission is that you own DoV. The Age’s End story gets really big before it’s done and it’s going to take us a good chunk of time to tell it all, but we’ll do so by releasing chapters of it every few months and building the story a bit at a time. Velious is a big place, and so is this story. It’ll be a good ride. -- Dave “Smokejumper” Georgeson P.S., A detailed feature list of the upcoming GU 60 will be announced soon, and more elements of the longer-ranged features will roll out in successive months. This letter is just to let you know the general direction of where we’re going and what to expect. Its been how long since DoV? Wheres all the content? This. Exactly. I'm actually quite neutral about AoD now. If I don't want it, I don't have to buy it. Fair enough. At this point, I'm quite neutral about F2P too, the jury is out at this point, we won't know how it will pan out until after it's here. What I'm not neutral about is the above. I remember being promised the 'regular' content updates too. I think it was mooted that quarterly was what to expect. Now we find out that this content will take until 2013 to roll out. __________________ The official comment from ProSiebenSat.1 on segregation - We do not think about a transfer of US server chars from EU costumers in Eq2. That should solve the biggest worries the EQ2 community has at the moment. We do not want to interfere with long build ingame relationships. This is the current way we think about it.

12-02-2011, 02:43 PM	#115
Vlahkmaak Server: Venekor Guild: Opus Dei Rank: Captain Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Yucaipa, CA Posts: 1,213	I was really hoping for 25+ AA personally. __________________ Obin 92 Iksar Necro Opus Dei Nagafen Vlahkmaak 92 Troll Guardian Nagafen Dwyrm 92 Dwarf Paladin Nagafen Shoofaug 92 Iksar bruiser Nagafen Vlah 92 Troll Inqy Nagafen Vlahk 50 SK Nagafen Glavlahnus 92 Woodelf Ranger, betrayed and back again Cructik 92 TROLL BL Nagafen

12-02-2011, 03:03 PM	#116
jamzez Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 57	I was really hopin Hartsman would comeback to soe.

12-02-2011, 03:14 PM	#117
chelanfarsight Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 86	i like eq2, i will continue to play eq2, for now. im not going to judge the f2p move, though i have my reservations, it could be good for the game as a whole, perhaps not. no point in worrying about it now. i love that several companies now are moving towards player generated content to supplement developer content. i have no issues with that. hirelings make sense in a game where finding low level groups becomes increasingly more difficult and where you are about to open the floodgates to lots of new folks in f2p. who will be less likely to be a fit with a community that supports grouping and actually needs the AI help for content. i dont even mind the SC shop, it has its advantages. i use it mostly for mounts and a wee bit of fluff. however, AoD, while it may be utility rich in your eyes, these are all things that could have been released over time or all at once as a GU. Why is this not an expac? Because of the lack of actual content really. The dungeonmaker, the hirelings, even the beastlord are surely interesting aspects, yet, again, these could have been saved for a real expac with content (which includes, but is not limited to, new zones, quests, races, classes, and perhaps most importantly: story arcs). sadly, im going to have to go with the OP and say /signed

12-02-2011, 03:31 PM	#118
Ruut Li Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 561	/signed first post rip eq2

12-02-2011, 06:15 PM	#119
millie Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 204	/signed If AoD is optional, and I think it is. Then it is not a compelling set of features. Nor does it provide a scintilla of extra content. In that case why is it still priced as if it was a “must have” expansion? Now SoE can charge what they like. If people see value for money they will buy it, some will even buy it out of habit. But no one should be at all surprised that the community think it is a rip off and a sick joke.

12-02-2011, 06:17 PM	#120
Quisical Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 39	I do not agree with the OP. This is currently the richest and most fun MMO I have played. Period. I have played on and off since launch. I have 4 90's and various other toons, and I still enjoy the game. I have played many MMOs and not one has come close to the amount of content in EQ2. Sure SOE has made some odd design choices, but what game hasn`t dropped the ball a few times ? I for one am very happy with Smokejumper's vision for EQ2: actually adding new game features and content. So much better than just more zones, more levels, more gear, more spells. Constanly adding zones to a game just spreads out the playerbase and leaves many old zones unused and empty. How many zones in EQ1 these day? Too many ! I can not wait to see what he does with EQ3! Keep up the good work. Signed : A happy Customer.