Official Free to Play Announcement Feedback Thread

[Marnus]

BChizzle wrote:

SmokeJumper wrote:

yagsfan wrote:

If I'm understanding the matrix correctly, with the gold membership I'll be allowed 7 characters.  What will happen with the other five toons that I currently play?  (Yes, I currently have a total of twelve toons...I purchased the extra character slots through the marketplace or won them through LON loot cards.)  And will we still be able to purchase more slots if we so desire?  What can I say...I have multiple personality disorder? 

If you purchased character slots, you'll still have them. No worries.

The only tricky bit is if you purchased character slots on *both* EQII Live and EQ2X servers (only a handful of people did this). In that case, you will still get all the slots you had purchased. Here's an example for clarity:

• You purchased four slots on AB. (7 + 4 = 11 total slots)
• You then purchased five slots on Freeport. (7 + 5 = 12 total slots)
• Then after the free-to-play conversion, you would have (7 + 4 + 5 = 16) slots available at your disposal when you log in.

That is not acceptable, if you merge the games I better have access to all my characters without having to pay more money, I already paid $30x4 a copy for eq2x plus I paid for some additional character slots I don't expect to lose access to those guys.

I agree-it was stated earlier when i asked about having duplicate characters on eq2x, that they would be available to me on the freeport server as well as on the ab server, and have veteran rewards associated with my account-so the catch is, that they will be available, but only if i shell out the money for more character slots to make the fp toons accessible? So not only did i waste money duplicating them to a server thats going to be "rejoined" into the live version of eq, but now i have to come up with 10 bucks per character to be able to play them? I feel that at the LEAST people who have paid for character copies in the past 6 months should be given a refund as well.

[Brigh]

bagup wrote:

Golbezz wrote:

Icculuss@Unrest_old wrote:

How many low/mid level PuGs did you find running around with Master spells and fabled gear?  PuG quality will be the same.  Anyone in the content that gear matters will be a sub anyway.

I would say in the past as players locked for T4 BG's there were actually lots in high quality gear with masters but with BG's not being so popular now there probably aren't many. I haven't run a low level alt in pugs since very early DoV so I'm not really sure what the low end groups look like now.

Low level content doesn't really require great gear anyway, at the top end is where low quality gear would become a serious problem.

yes still a concern , i play on ab and there are LOTS of progression guilds that lock at lvls 50/60/70/80   and what lvl can these free players attain? 90 ?   if its 90 then thats even more cause for concern

but as stated elsewhere , i would like the "free players" to have a different colour name or somethign which we can identify them and at least if we so choose, not group with them

Economic profiling eh?

[Tylia]

Neiloch@Butcherblock wrote:

Any chance we can pay a smaller fee for the AA increase or just get it free outright? otherwise you are going to have a lot of disgruntled raiders and min/maxers having to pay full xpac price for one feature. i mean if EQ2 is going to start leaning harder on the microtransaction/station store anyway.

Mr. Smokejumper, can you please take this idea under consideration?  There are those (such as myself) who have no interest at all in the rest of the features of the expansion, but the AA increase will most certainly be a "preferred requirement" to a raid force.  These are tough economic times, and while my budget allows the cost of 2 monthly subscriptions (mine and hubby's), I can hardly justify spending $80 (again this year) for an expansion that is mostly useless to us.  To me, it just doesn't make sense that this "expansion" is being sold for the same price as past ones that contained so much more (ie: content).

Just a (hopeful) thought.

[arvydys]

bagup wrote:

Golbezz wrote:

Icculuss@Unrest_old wrote:

How many low/mid level PuGs did you find running around with Master spells and fabled gear?  PuG quality will be the same.  Anyone in the content that gear matters will be a sub anyway.

I would say in the past as players locked for T4 BG's there were actually lots in high quality gear with masters but with BG's not being so popular now there probably aren't many. I haven't run a low level alt in pugs since very early DoV so I'm not really sure what the low end groups look like now.

Low level content doesn't really require great gear anyway, at the top end is where low quality gear would become a serious problem.

yes still a concern , i play on ab and there are LOTS of progression guilds that lock at lvls 50/60/70/80   and what lvl can these free players attain? 90 ?   if its 90 then thats even more cause for concern

but as stated elsewhere , i would like the "free players" to have a different colour name or somethign which we can identify them and at least if we so choose, not group with them

They have access to MC and Expert, which is more than enough gear for any content up to level 80, as long as they keep up with their AAs.  The free players can hit 90 but dont have access to DoV so you wont have to worry about them in groups where gear matters.  Plus, they will likely have decent gear and spells if they get that high through the unlockers.

The system is designed to get people hooked on the game and then go gold, I doubt there are that many bronze/silver 90s around.

[Melanchol]

if you like raiding, i weep for your future.

[Gorpier]

ranga wrote:

This announcement and the resulting threads are prime reasons why the KISS principle exists.

It is such a mish-mash of complaints and concerns around a dozen issues, each of them deserving a thread of their own.

Aye, I agree, each of these should have their own thread since none of them are really the same question and so many are getting lost.  That said, anything that has a remote tie to the 'big news' is being locked and redirected to this one.  *shrug*

[Brigh]

For the listed amount of features for this GU62, it is sounding like the mistake CCP made with their "Incarna" "expansion" several months ago. At least we don't have to pay for them in Eve.

[Yimway]

Castigeer wrote:

I used to play on Permafrost, then moved to Freeport/EQ2X over a year ago.  It's a robust and FULL population but it is in no way over-loaded.  It has just enough to make the LFG and Dungeon Finder tool viable.  There's no way any player on Freeport would want to transfer to a ghost-town server.  And let's be totally honest here... any server not named 'Freeport' is a ghost-town server.

While I don't doubt you, there are also alot of performance concerns raised by players on Freeport, I surmise they are likely not playing at the same tier as you are though.  BTW, almost every other server lacks enough for DF to work.

[arvydys]

My solution to characters on live + characters on freeport > 7:  

allow all characters created prior to today to be used.  If they are deleted they lose that slot until they get back down to 7 (ie want a beast lord?  purchase a slot or delete to under 7 toons)

[Coopendor]

I for one am a VERY HAPPY NORRATHIAN  .   I play on The Bazaar (only because I did not realize what an exchange server was at the time I started playing nearly 7 years ago).  I have recently lost a lot of freinds to more populated servers because I did not want to either pay the costly transfer fee or because I did not want to start a brand new toon all the way from the beginning ( I love the toons I have leveled and do not wish to start another).

Now I need to get in touch those old freinds and decide wether to switch servers or stay with The Bazaar now that there will be a population again

[Wookin]

Easier to delete and ban in a single thread? The price on that "expansion" is ridiculous. I'm saving my remaining sc to buy wands of kill raid mobs when they come back.

[ranga]

Gorpier wrote:

ranga wrote:

This announcement and the resulting threads are prime reasons why the KISS principle exists.

It is such a mish-mash of complaints and concerns around a dozen issues, each of them deserving a thread of their own.

Aye, I agree, each of these should have their own thread since none of them are really the same question and so many are getting lost.  That said, anything that has a remote tie to the 'big news' is being locked and redirected to this one.  *shrug*

Working as intended

This way it can all be ignored

[bagup]

Brigh wrote:

bagup wrote:

Golbezz wrote:

Icculuss@Unrest_old wrote:

How many low/mid level PuGs did you find running around with Master spells and fabled gear?  PuG quality will be the same.  Anyone in the content that gear matters will be a sub anyway.

I would say in the past as players locked for T4 BG's there were actually lots in high quality gear with masters but with BG's not being so popular now there probably aren't many. I haven't run a low level alt in pugs since very early DoV so I'm not really sure what the low end groups look like now.

Low level content doesn't really require great gear anyway, at the top end is where low quality gear would become a serious problem.

yes still a concern , i play on ab and there are LOTS of progression guilds that lock at lvls 50/60/70/80   and what lvl can these free players attain? 90 ?   if its 90 then thats even more cause for concern

but as stated elsewhere , i would like the "free players" to have a different colour name or somethign which we can identify them and at least if we so choose, not group with them

Economic profiling eh?

im not clevererer enough to know what that means, but to me it means im payign $15 a month  i wanna be able to grp with people who can do dps the same as me or heal the same as me or tank and not get me killed

[arvydys]

Atan@Unrest wrote:

Castigeer wrote:

I used to play on Permafrost, then moved to Freeport/EQ2X over a year ago.  It's a robust and FULL population but it is in no way over-loaded.  It has just enough to make the LFG and Dungeon Finder tool viable.  There's no way any player on Freeport would want to transfer to a ghost-town server.  And let's be totally honest here... any server not named 'Freeport' is a ghost-town server.

While I don't doubt you, there are also alot of performance concerns raised by players on Freeport, I surmise they are likely not playing at the same tier as you are though.  BTW, almost every other server lacks enough for DF to work.

AB has enough for DF to work, but after the initial snafu with DF people just dont use it.  Much easier to recruit in channels.

[Marnus]

Icculuss@Unrest_old wrote:

My solution to characters on live + characters on freeport > 7:  

allow all characters created prior to today to be used.  If they are deleted they lose that slot until they get back down to 7 (ie want a beast lord?  purchase a slot or delete to under 7 toons)

I agree-don't punish people who paid for char copies by making their characters unplayable if they go over the limit

[arvydys]

bagup wrote:

im not clevererer enough to know what that means, but to me it means im payign $15 a month  i wanna be able to grp with people who can do dps the same as me or heal the same as me or tank and not get me killed

Free players cant access DoV.  Everything else they have enough gear to be able to do.  Membership level doesnt display skill or dedication, so its worthless in determining what you want it to determine.

[Iamken]

I'm a long-time recurring sub member and I'm fine with this. I was hoping they would have done this a while ago instead of making eq2x. Keep up the good work! =)

[Shaolin Sam]

I'm a long-time recurring sub member and I'm NOT fine with this. I was hoping they would never do this as Smedley said we'd never have RMT and Smokejumper said we'd never go F2P. Keep up the good work! =)

[Hirofortis]

I like the idea here.  The F2P move has been needed for awhile.  I am glad the levels were revamped as the EQ2X ones were horrible.  Now all I want to know is if the expansion can be preordereed on the marketplace.

[technologically]

LOL

So even though they didn't mention the closing of the recruit a friend program in the big announcement, the mod's are telling me this is where to talk about it.   Why don't they just open a single Complaints thread, so they only have to ignore one thread.

[Calthine]

technologically wrote:

LOL

So even though they didn't mention the closing of the recruit a friend program in the big announcement, the mod's are telling me this is where to talk about it.   Why don't they just open a single Complaints thread, so they only have to ignore one thread.

I don't think losing RAF is such a big deal any more, when there's essentially a permanent free trial.

[Dreyco]

Hmm...

Let's see...

-Something they should have done from the onset.

-More benefit for having a subscription (free fluff that i had to pay extra for before).

-More people logging into the game.

-My friends who are over on EQ2X can transfer over to AB to play with me without having to subscribe?

-Game-changing items removed from marketplace?

Hmmmmmmmmmmm....

............. WOO HOO!

About dang time!!!  Can't wait for December to roll around!  I'm just impressed that you guys thought about things and improved the existing model before putting it on Live.  Good show!

[Crolack]

I have a good question.

I've played EQ2 since launch, but due to employment issues I cancelled last year and went to EQ2X (transferring one character in the process). Last Christmas I got some cash and upgraded my EQ2X to Platinum (it got credited to Aug 2012 due to some billing issues and the downtime earlier this year).

1) My EQ2 Account is full of characters on AB.

2) My EQ2X account is full of characters (and extra slots, purchased and/or from LoN loot).

I was re-employed earlier this year, so I added Station Access to my account to play on live again. But now I'm unemployed again so I cancelled (expires 11/11/11).

What's going to happen to all my characters?

[Nynaeve]

GREAT NEWS! I LOVE IT!

thanks SOE Team and Smokejumer!

gonna preorder AoD asap!

[Yimway]

Shaolin Sam wrote:

I'm a long-time recurring sub member and I'm NOT fine with this. I was hoping they would never do this as Smedley said we'd never have RMT and Smokejumper said we'd never go F2P. Keep up the good work! =)

Seriously, take your head out of the sand.

You've had RMT for YEARS.

[Nuadah]

Crabbok@Unrest_old wrote:

Making EQ2 Free 2 Play is just an all around excellent decision.  There is no valid reason for ANYONE to be upset about EQ2 going Free 2 Play in full, and thus, merging the player base into a single service, full capable of mingling and improving server populations across the board.  

  

You haven't seen some of the trolls we have on Oasis have you?

[Hirofortis]

technologically wrote:

LOL

So even though they didn't mention the closing of the recruit a friend program in the big announcement, the mod's are telling me this is where to talk about it.   Why don't they just open a single Complaints thread, so they only have to ignore one thread.

There is no reason for the Raf program and they did mention it.  Unless you are just lookiong for a way to sponge some more xp..

[EQ2Playa432]

Crolack@Antonia Bayle wrote:

I have a good question.

I've played EQ2 since launch, but due to employment issues I cancelled last year and went to EQ2X (transferring one character in the process). Last Christmas I got some cash and upgraded my EQ2X to Platinum (it got credited to Aug 2012 due to some billing issues and the downtime earlier this year).

1) My EQ2 Account is full of characters on AB.

2) My EQ2X account is full of characters (and extra slots, purchased and/or from LoN loot).

I was re-employed earlier this year, so I added Station Access to my account to play on live again. But now I'm unemployed again so I cancelled (expires 11/11/11).

What's going to happen to all my characters?

You'll have access to the most recently logged in 4 characters. The rest will have to be unlocked with char slots.

[Shaolin Sam]

Atan@Unrest wrote:

Atan  wrote:

You've had RMT for YEARS.

LTRead I've been PLAYING for years. I know we've had RMT for years. Funny thing was we didn't used to and it came out awhile after Smedley made a comment on these very boards saying "We'll never go the RMT route".

Heck... someone had that in their signature pic for a long time until they got banned for it.

[RadarX]

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