Do we have to pay for the new "Expansion Pack" ?

Belzeebub2 · 11-07-2011, 04:24 PM

Do we have to pay for the xpack and if so why? It is just a GU except that you get extra AAs in this one. IMO, not worth paying for.

CoLD MeTaL · 11-07-2011, 04:44 PM

I heard 25 of the added 50 AA have to be put in tradeskills, which would make u ask is it worth it for 25AAs and beastlords.

Mercs might make it completely worth it just to have someone to group with that won't ask "What is your CM/CC? Oh sorry spot filled"

Hilt · 11-07-2011, 04:51 PM

Belzeebub2 wrote:

Do we have to pay for the xpack and if so why? It is just a GU except that you get extra AAs in this one. IMO, not worth paying for.

a) Pay? Yes

b) Is it worth it? Yes. Simply put -- they are adding WAY MORE dimension to not just how we craft, but how we solo and how we group or raid. The scope of customization has been pretty much picked up, remolded and thrown into a whole new dynamic direction that makes EQ2 the ONE game with the greatest level of customization.

c) If all you're looking at is the AA boost for $$$, then you're viewpoint is highly myopic and limited in understanding. Not that that is a bad thing, just an observation.

d) At least we don't have pandas and a Pokemon pet fighting system.

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Neiloch · 11-07-2011, 05:03 PM

Okay how about this.

I don't care about beastlords.

I don't care about heroic/small group/solo content.

I don't care about DYOD.

I don't care about crafting.

I don't care about mercenaries that are useless for raids (all of them so far from what they have said).

So far the only things I would remotely care about is a new AA cap and reforging. Paying a full 'expansion' price for just these two things that i am going to use is QUITE and overcharge. This is different from other xpacs that have a couple of additions I might not use, so far I won't be using even half of this xpac which is FAR less than the amount of content and features I used in previous xpacs.

Now if they want to make me really happy they can offer these two things (AA and reforging) 'a la carte' and i can just buy part of the xpac for significantly less than buying the whole thing, or they can just make them 'game wide' and throw them in for everyone without any purchase.

Otherwise I will be quite displeased with buying this entire expansion pack when I would be using less than half of it.

thesiren · 11-07-2011, 05:21 PM

Neiloch@Butcherblock wrote:

Okay how about this.
I don't care about beastlords.
I don't care about heroic/small group/solo content.
I don't care about DYOD.
I don't care about crafting.
I don't care about mercenaries that are useless for raids (all of them so far from what they have said).
So far the only things I would remotely care about is a new AA cap and reforging. Paying a full 'expansion' price for just these two things that i am going to use is QUITE and overcharge. This is different from other xpacs that have a couple of additions I might not use, so far I won't be using even half of this xpac which is FAR less than the amount of content and features I used in previous xpacs.
Now if they want to make me really happy they can offer these two things (AA and reforging) 'a la carte' and i can just buy part of the xpac for significantly less than buying the whole thing, or they can just make them 'game wide' and throw them in for everyone without any purchase.
Otherwise I will be quite displeased with buying this entire expansion pack when I would be using less than half of it.

if you don't see value in it, don't buy it.

Cratoh · 11-07-2011, 05:24 PM

Did you miss this post with 344 sections of crying about AoD on it?

http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=508366

Shaggybodom · 11-07-2011, 05:47 PM

Just pretend your paying for DoV part 2... which is free.

GussJr · 11-07-2011, 06:01 PM

thesiren wrote:

if you don't see value in it, don't buy it.

Short and to the point

Hilt · 11-07-2011, 06:02 PM

thesiren wrote:

Neiloch@Butcherblock wrote:
Okay how about this.
I don't care about beastlords.
I don't care about heroic/small group/solo content.
I don't care about DYOD.
I don't care about crafting.
I don't care about mercenaries that are useless for raids (all of them so far from what they have said).
So far the only things I would remotely care about is a new AA cap and reforging. Paying a full 'expansion' price for just these two things that i am going to use is QUITE and overcharge. This is different from other xpacs that have a couple of additions I might not use, so far I won't be using even half of this xpac which is FAR less than the amount of content and features I used in previous xpacs.
Now if they want to make me really happy they can offer these two things (AA and reforging) 'a la carte' and i can just buy part of the xpac for significantly less than buying the whole thing, or they can just make them 'game wide' and throw them in for everyone without any purchase.
Otherwise I will be quite displeased with buying this entire expansion pack when I would be using less than half of it.
if you don't see value in it, don't buy it.

Amen. I am paying for stuff I see value in and I know...KNOW...that the groundwork laid in this expansion, WILL BE the foundation of what is accessible in FUTURE expansions...

Don't be a hater rager...be a happier player

Belzeebub2 · 11-07-2011, 06:07 PM

Hilt wrote

the groundwork laid in this expansion, WILL BE the foundation of what is accessible in FUTURE expansions...

It's not an expansion, it's a glorified GU.

GussJr · 11-07-2011, 06:09 PM

Belzeebub2 wrote:

It's not an expansion, it's a glorified GU.

/shrug It is what it is. No one is twisting your arm...

Nrgy · 11-07-2011, 06:23 PM

Belzeebub2 wrote:

Hilt wrote
the groundwork laid in this expansion, WILL BE the foundation of what is accessible in FUTURE expansions...
It's not an expansion, it's a glorified GU.

Just wait for the GU, its a glorified Expansion. Buy AoD in March '13 when DoV 2.0 (GU63) releases, it will be the same thing for everyone at that point.

Otherwise, its well known that when things are 'a la carte' they cost more cumnulitively than they would if bundled. Not to mention that AA caps would certain cost more than TS apprentances, but that would just be one more issue to conplain about.

Velenda · 11-07-2011, 06:41 PM

Neiloch@Butcherblock wrote:

Okay how about this.
I don't care about beastlords. I do...they look like fun.
I don't care about heroic/small group/solo content. I do, because that's how I play the game.
I don't care about DYOD. I'm interested in this from a creative standpoint.
I don't care about crafting. I love to craft and I know so many fun and friendly crafters.
I don't care about mercenaries that are useless for raids (all of them so far from what they have said). I do and...oh now I get it.

Why does everything have to be about raids? Why must everything cater to raiders?

You know it is ok for a company to focus on other aspects of a game. What they are doing, may not be about raids, but it may help bring more people into the game...that means more people that 'might' want to raid.

That's a good thing right?

Belzeebub2 · 11-07-2011, 06:42 PM

No, since I would be paying for new content, whereas this next "expansion" has no new content.

Nrgy · 11-07-2011, 07:06 PM

Belzeebub2 wrote:

No, since I would be paying for new content, whereas this next "expansion" has no new content.

This is a dead issue, get over it. If your a raiding min/max'er than just drop the dime like all the other min/max'ers and be done with it already. Other wise just watch everyone else that did drop the dime pass you in the parse.

The Last X-pack did have new content ... I assume you paid for that, but didn't have toit was optional.
The Last GU did have new content ... which nobody paid for, because is was "free" (included in subscription)
The GU before the last GU did have new content ... which nobody paid for, because is was "free" (included in subscription)
The next X-Pack will have many "Features"... will have a retail cost which will be optional for people that see value, but is not required for game play.
The next X-Pack, actually GU62 is attached, will have new content (Freeport)... which nobody will have to pay for, because it will be "free" (included in subscription)
Belzeebub2 cries about not getting new content to buy
The Next GU will have new content... which nobody will have to pay for, because it will be "free" (included in subscription)

Hilt · 11-07-2011, 07:10 PM

Belzeebub2 wrote:

No, since I would be paying for new content, whereas this next "expansion" has no new content.

I seem to remember all of the people who didn't buy Burning Crusade only to then be told they would have to just to open up features that were introduced in later stages, in later expansions. ALL MMO's will experience similar situations...

My hope is that adding more aspects to the game will bring more players in as well as open development into bigger and better content, built on a more robust game framework.

Rijacki · 11-07-2011, 07:18 PM

You only have to pay for the expansion if you want the features/content it includes. If you don't want them, don't buy it.

Belzeebub2 · 11-07-2011, 07:20 PM

Velenda wrote:

Neiloch@Butcherblock wrote:
Okay how about this.
I don't care about beastlords. I do...they look like fun.
I don't care about heroic/small group/solo content. I do, because that's how I play the game.
I don't care about DYOD. I'm interested in this from a creative standpoint.
I don't care about crafting. I love to craft and I know so many fun and friendly crafters.
I don't care about mercenaries that are useless for raids (all of them so far from what they have said). I do and...oh now I get it.
Why does everything have to be about raids? Why must everything cater to raiders?
You know it is ok for a company to focus on other aspects of a game. What they are doing, may not be about raids, but it may help bring more people into the game...that means more people that 'might' want to raid.
That's a good thing right?

Matbe because the majority of the players in this game raid, as there is not much else to do?

GussJr · 11-07-2011, 07:21 PM

Belzeebub2 wrote:

Velenda wrote:
Neiloch@Butcherblock wrote:
Okay how about this.
I don't care about beastlords. I do...they look like fun.
I don't care about heroic/small group/solo content. I do, because that's how I play the game.
I don't care about DYOD. I'm interested in this from a creative standpoint.
I don't care about crafting. I love to craft and I know so many fun and friendly crafters.
I don't care about mercenaries that are useless for raids (all of them so far from what they have said). I do and...oh now I get it.
Why does everything have to be about raids? Why must everything cater to raiders?
You know it is ok for a company to focus on other aspects of a game. What they are doing, may not be about raids, but it may help bring more people into the game...that means more people that 'might' want to raid.
That's a good thing right?
Matbe because the majority of the players in this game raid, as there is not much else to do?

Neiloch · 11-07-2011, 07:50 PM

I'm not asking it to be a raid expansion, so anyone who thought that was from my post has bad reading comprehension and probably shouldn't participate in a written discussion as they lack the proper skill set.

I'm asking that it provide the same general appeal as the last expansions did. So I'm asking that it have content for ALL play styles, not stuff that benefits everyone and thus 'fringe benefits' for raiders specifically. If they don't want to do that then fine, make the extremely small percentage of features that appeal to raiders either purchasable separately at lower price or just free for anyone that has a subscription.

Basically it comes down to this. If it's priced and sold the same way as previous expansions, its rip off for raiders. More so than any other playstyle in previous expansion packs. Plain and simple.

dawy · 11-07-2011, 08:44 PM

Hilt wrote:

Belzeebub2 wrote:
No, since I would be paying for new content, whereas this next "expansion" has no new content.
I seem to remember all of the people who didn't buy Burning Crusade only to then be told they would have to just to open up features that were introduced in later stages, in later expansions. ALL MMO's will experience similar situations...
My hope is that adding more aspects to the game will bring more players in as well as open development into bigger and better content, built on a more robust game framework.

I may be wrong but i'm yet to be convinced that this is laying the "groundwork for a more robust game" shake it or spin anyway you want this is a content light xpac simple as that,long gone are the days of EQ2's expansions being the envy of the MMO world in terms of sheer content included in them

Crismorn · 11-07-2011, 09:15 PM

Nrgy wrote:

Belzeebub2 wrote:
No, since I would be paying for new content, whereas this next "expansion" has no new content.
This is a dead issue, get over it. If your a raiding min/max'er than just drop the dime like all the other min/max'ers and be done with it already. Other wise just watch everyone else that did drop the dime pass you in the parse.
The Last X-pack did have new content ... I assume you paid for that, but didn't have toit was optional.
The Last GU did have new content ... which nobody paid for, because is was "free" (included in subscription)
The GU before the last GU did have new content ... which nobody paid for, because is was "free" (included in subscription)
The next X-Pack will have many "Features"... will have a retail cost which will be optional for people that see value, but is not required for game play.
The next X-Pack, actually GU62 is attached, will have new content (Freeport)... which nobody will have to pay for, because it will be "free" (included in subscription)
Belzeebub2 cries about not getting new content to buy
The Next GU will have new content... which nobody will have to pay for, because it will be "free" (included in subscription)

This is funny to me since the unfinished DoV we already paid for is still unfinished, now we can pay for the same thing twice.

I dont care about $40 nearly as much as I care about being deceived into thinking I'm getting some great deal when I'm being charged twice for the same thing.

But please let me know if you are ever looking to buy a house or car I can get an amazing 1 for 2 deal.

Ilovecows · 11-07-2011, 10:31 PM

Honestly i would prefer them to have the expac as a traditional one; level cap increase, new aas, no overland zones, new heroic dungeons, new raids, etc. etc. along with all these features. That is the most fun for me because i get to do something different, and not just more trivial quests, or boring repetitive heroic instances.

retro_guy · 11-07-2011, 10:43 PM

Velenda wrote:

Neiloch@Butcherblock wrote:
Okay how about this.
I don't care about beastlords. I do...they look like fun.
I don't care about heroic/small group/solo content. I do, because that's how I play the game.
I don't care about DYOD. I'm interested in this from a creative standpoint.
I don't care about crafting. I love to craft and I know so many fun and friendly crafters.
I don't care about mercenaries that are useless for raids (all of them so far from what they have said). I do and...oh now I get it.
Why does everything have to be about raids? Why must everything cater to raiders?
You know it is ok for a company to focus on other aspects of a game. What they are doing, may not be about raids, but it may help bring more people into the game...that means more people that 'might' want to raid.
That's a good thing right?

I don't care about raids.

Please convert them all to small group content so I can solo them.

Neiloch · 11-07-2011, 10:53 PM

dawy wrote:

I may be wrong but i'm yet to be convinced that this is laying the "groundwork for a more robust game" shake it or spin anyway you want this is a content light xpac simple as that,long gone are the days of EQ2's expansions being the envy of the MMO world in terms of sheer content included in them

I also wonder this. I can't seem to think of how even if this is just 'ground work' what would benefit my playstyle. They plan on making raid mercenaries in the future? Build your own raid zone? Not particularly fond of the idea of having to level up an 'apprentice' or crafter to take advantage of raid loot if they have that stuff ever effecting raiding. Gearing up through heroic zones to be capable of raiding new tiers would also sit uneasy. Main reason I never got into Rift was that even if you are in a successful raid guild you would still have to farm stuff from group zones.

The more I think about it, if anything it sounds like they are laying the ground work to demephasize and/or phase out raiding which means I would DEFINITELY not be spending any money on this game. when it comes to content outside of raiding EQ2 is doing terribly and it would take a lot more than whats in this xpac to get it caught up to par.

Tygana · 11-08-2011, 12:14 AM

Hilt wrote:

d) At least we don't have pandas and a Pokemon pet fighting system.

We do have pandas, and the beastlord is looking more like a pokemon pet fighting system...

Gaealiege · 11-08-2011, 12:18 AM

Yeah, it tickles me that all the fluff people like to point out how there's different play styles, but this expansion doesn't add a thing to raiding. Can my playstyle get something in the expansion too?

Troubor · 11-08-2011, 01:19 AM

Neiloch@Butcherblock wrote:

Okay how about this.
I don't care about beastlords.
I don't care about heroic/small group/solo content.
I don't care about DYOD.
I don't care about crafting.
I don't care about mercenaries that are useless for raids (all of them so far from what they have said).
So far the only things I would remotely care about is a new AA cap and reforging. Paying a full 'expansion' price for just these two things that i am going to use is QUITE and overcharge. This is different from other xpacs that have a couple of additions I might not use, so far I won't be using even half of this xpac which is FAR less than the amount of content and features I used in previous xpacs.
Now if they want to make me really happy they can offer these two things (AA and reforging) 'a la carte' and i can just buy part of the xpac for significantly less than buying the whole thing, or they can just make them 'game wide' and throw them in for everyone without any purchase.
Otherwise I will be quite displeased with buying this entire expansion pack when I would be using less than half of it.

Okay, how about this: If the expansion only focused on the things YOU liked, there would be someone saying how they don't care about any of that.

The world doesn't revolve around you. Not everything will cater to your every whim.

If this expansion offers very little for you, don't buy it. Things you do seem to care about, other then the 50 aa and reforging will be FREE. New raid content (I assume you care about such) for instance will be FREE in upcoming GU's, and in fact in GU's for the next year or year and a half based on what I understand their current plans to be.

So, by not spending a dime, other then missing out on the 50 aa's and reforging you're getting everything YOU want, albeit at a slow pace over a long period of time.

Looks like they are catering to you already. It's people who DO care about the things you don't care about that have to pay money to get them.

Troubor · 11-08-2011, 01:20 AM

Gaealiege@Butcherblock wrote:

Yeah, it tickles me that all the fluff people like to point out how there's different play styles, but this expansion doesn't add a thing to raiding. Can my playstyle get something in the expansion too?

Read my post to the OP. The future GU's are adding things to raiding. SMILEY

11-07-2011, 04:24 PM	#1
Belzeebub2 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 57	Do we have to pay for the xpack and if so why? It is just a GU except that you get extra AAs in this one. IMO, not worth paying for. __________________ You want a cure? What's a cure? Who told you inquisitor can cure ?!?

11-07-2011, 04:44 PM	#2
CoLD MeTaL Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,217	I heard 25 of the added 50 AA have to be put in tradeskills, which would make u ask is it worth it for 25AAs and beastlords. Mercs might make it completely worth it just to have someone to group with that won't ask "What is your CM/CC? Oh sorry spot filled" __________________

11-07-2011, 04:51 PM	#3
Hilt Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 286	Belzeebub2 wrote: Do we have to pay for the xpack and if so why? It is just a GU except that you get extra AAs in this one. IMO, not worth paying for. a) Pay? Yes b) Is it worth it? Yes. Simply put -- they are adding WAY MORE dimension to not just how we craft, but how we solo and how we group or raid. The scope of customization has been pretty much picked up, remolded and thrown into a whole new dynamic direction that makes EQ2 the ONE game with the greatest level of customization. c) If all you're looking at is the AA boost for $$$, then you're viewpoint is highly myopic and limited in understanding. Not that that is a bad thing, just an observation. d) At least we don't have pandas and a Pokemon pet fighting system.

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11-07-2011, 05:03 PM	#5
Neiloch Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Southern California Posts: 1,430	Okay how about this. I don't care about beastlords. I don't care about heroic/small group/solo content. I don't care about DYOD. I don't care about crafting. I don't care about mercenaries that are useless for raids (all of them so far from what they have said). So far the only things I would remotely care about is a new AA cap and reforging. Paying a full 'expansion' price for just these two things that i am going to use is QUITE and overcharge. This is different from other xpacs that have a couple of additions I might not use, so far I won't be using even half of this xpac which is FAR less than the amount of content and features I used in previous xpacs. Now if they want to make me really happy they can offer these two things (AA and reforging) 'a la carte' and i can just buy part of the xpac for significantly less than buying the whole thing, or they can just make them 'game wide' and throw them in for everyone without any purchase. Otherwise I will be quite displeased with buying this entire expansion pack when I would be using less than half of it. __________________

11-07-2011, 05:21 PM	#6
thesiren Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 697	Neiloch@Butcherblock wrote: Okay how about this. I don't care about beastlords. I don't care about heroic/small group/solo content. I don't care about DYOD. I don't care about crafting. I don't care about mercenaries that are useless for raids (all of them so far from what they have said). So far the only things I would remotely care about is a new AA cap and reforging. Paying a full 'expansion' price for just these two things that i am going to use is QUITE and overcharge. This is different from other xpacs that have a couple of additions I might not use, so far I won't be using even half of this xpac which is FAR less than the amount of content and features I used in previous xpacs. Now if they want to make me really happy they can offer these two things (AA and reforging) 'a la carte' and i can just buy part of the xpac for significantly less than buying the whole thing, or they can just make them 'game wide' and throw them in for everyone without any purchase. Otherwise I will be quite displeased with buying this entire expansion pack when I would be using less than half of it. if you don't see value in it, don't buy it.

11-07-2011, 05:24 PM	#7
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11-07-2011, 05:47 PM	#8
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11-07-2011, 06:01 PM	#9
GussJr Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 1,061	thesiren wrote: if you don't see value in it, don't buy it. Short and to the point __________________ Collametta, 91 HE Ranger, 90 Mstr Armorer Siame, 90 K. Zerk, 90 Alchemist Palayna, 34 Fae Monk, 90 Master Carpenter Beastmastress, 90 WE BL, 31 Prov

11-07-2011, 06:02 PM	#10
Hilt Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 286	thesiren wrote: Neiloch@Butcherblock wrote: Okay how about this. I don't care about beastlords. I don't care about heroic/small group/solo content. I don't care about DYOD. I don't care about crafting. I don't care about mercenaries that are useless for raids (all of them so far from what they have said). So far the only things I would remotely care about is a new AA cap and reforging. Paying a full 'expansion' price for just these two things that i am going to use is QUITE and overcharge. This is different from other xpacs that have a couple of additions I might not use, so far I won't be using even half of this xpac which is FAR less than the amount of content and features I used in previous xpacs. Now if they want to make me really happy they can offer these two things (AA and reforging) 'a la carte' and i can just buy part of the xpac for significantly less than buying the whole thing, or they can just make them 'game wide' and throw them in for everyone without any purchase. Otherwise I will be quite displeased with buying this entire expansion pack when I would be using less than half of it. if you don't see value in it, don't buy it. Amen. I am paying for stuff I see value in and I know...KNOW...that the groundwork laid in this expansion, WILL BE the foundation of what is accessible in FUTURE expansions... Don't be a hater rager...be a happier player

11-07-2011, 06:07 PM	#11
Belzeebub2 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 57	Hilt wrote the groundwork laid in this expansion, WILL BE the foundation of what is accessible in FUTURE expansions... It's not an expansion, it's a glorified GU. __________________ You want a cure? What's a cure? Who told you inquisitor can cure ?!?

11-07-2011, 06:09 PM	#12
GussJr Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 1,061	Belzeebub2 wrote: It's not an expansion, it's a glorified GU. /shrug It is what it is. No one is twisting your arm... __________________ Collametta, 91 HE Ranger, 90 Mstr Armorer Siame, 90 K. Zerk, 90 Alchemist Palayna, 34 Fae Monk, 90 Master Carpenter Beastmastress, 90 WE BL, 31 Prov

11-07-2011, 06:23 PM	#13
Nrgy Lord Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,338	Belzeebub2 wrote: Hilt wrote the groundwork laid in this expansion, WILL BE the foundation of what is accessible in FUTURE expansions... It's not an expansion, it's a glorified GU. Just wait for the GU, its a glorified Expansion. Buy AoD in March '13 when DoV 2.0 (GU63) releases, it will be the same thing for everyone at that point. Otherwise, its well known that when things are 'a la carte' they cost more cumnulitively than they would if bundled. Not to mention that AA caps would certain cost more than TS apprentances, but that would just be one more issue to conplain about.

11-07-2011, 06:41 PM	#14
Velenda Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 317	Neiloch@Butcherblock wrote: Okay how about this. I don't care about beastlords. I do...they look like fun. I don't care about heroic/small group/solo content. I do, because that's how I play the game. I don't care about DYOD. I'm interested in this from a creative standpoint. I don't care about crafting. I love to craft and I know so many fun and friendly crafters. I don't care about mercenaries that are useless for raids (all of them so far from what they have said). I do and...oh now I get it. Why does everything have to be about raids? Why must everything cater to raiders? You know it is ok for a company to focus on other aspects of a game. What they are doing, may not be about raids, but it may help bring more people into the game...that means more people that 'might' want to raid. That's a good thing right?

11-07-2011, 06:42 PM	#15
Belzeebub2 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 57	No, since I would be paying for new content, whereas this next "expansion" has no new content. __________________ You want a cure? What's a cure? Who told you inquisitor can cure ?!?

11-07-2011, 07:06 PM	#16
Nrgy Lord Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,338	Belzeebub2 wrote: No, since I would be paying for new content, whereas this next "expansion" has no new content. This is a dead issue, get over it. If your a raiding min/max'er than just drop the dime like all the other min/max'ers and be done with it already. Other wise just watch everyone else that did drop the dime pass you in the parse. The Last X-pack did have new content ... I assume you paid for that, but didn't have toit was optional. The Last GU did have new content ... which nobody paid for, because is was "free" (included in subscription) The GU before the last GU did have new content ... which nobody paid for, because is was "free" (included in subscription) The next X-Pack will have many "Features"... will have a retail cost which will be optional for people that see value, but is not required for game play. The next X-Pack, actually GU62 is attached, will have new content (Freeport)... which nobody will have to pay for, because it will be "free" (included in subscription) Belzeebub2 cries about not getting new content to buy The Next GU will have new content... which nobody will have to pay for, because it will be "free" (included in subscription)

11-07-2011, 07:10 PM	#17
Hilt Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 286	Belzeebub2 wrote: No, since I would be paying for new content, whereas this next "expansion" has no new content. I seem to remember all of the people who didn't buy Burning Crusade only to then be told they would have to just to open up features that were introduced in later stages, in later expansions. ALL MMO's will experience similar situations... My hope is that adding more aspects to the game will bring more players in as well as open development into bigger and better content, built on a more robust game framework.

11-07-2011, 07:18 PM	#18
Rijacki Tester Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,842	You only have to pay for the expansion if you want the features/content it includes. If you don't want them, don't buy it. __________________

11-07-2011, 07:20 PM	#19
Belzeebub2 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 57	Velenda wrote: Neiloch@Butcherblock wrote: Okay how about this. I don't care about beastlords. I do...they look like fun. I don't care about heroic/small group/solo content. I do, because that's how I play the game. I don't care about DYOD. I'm interested in this from a creative standpoint. I don't care about crafting. I love to craft and I know so many fun and friendly crafters. I don't care about mercenaries that are useless for raids (all of them so far from what they have said). I do and...oh now I get it. Why does everything have to be about raids? Why must everything cater to raiders? You know it is ok for a company to focus on other aspects of a game. What they are doing, may not be about raids, but it may help bring more people into the game...that means more people that 'might' want to raid. That's a good thing right? Matbe because the majority of the players in this game raid, as there is not much else to do? __________________ You want a cure? What's a cure? Who told you inquisitor can cure ?!?

11-07-2011, 07:21 PM	#20
GussJr Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 1,061	Belzeebub2 wrote: Velenda wrote: Neiloch@Butcherblock wrote: Okay how about this. I don't care about beastlords. I do...they look like fun. I don't care about heroic/small group/solo content. I do, because that's how I play the game. I don't care about DYOD. I'm interested in this from a creative standpoint. I don't care about crafting. I love to craft and I know so many fun and friendly crafters. I don't care about mercenaries that are useless for raids (all of them so far from what they have said). I do and...oh now I get it. Why does everything have to be about raids? Why must everything cater to raiders? You know it is ok for a company to focus on other aspects of a game. What they are doing, may not be about raids, but it may help bring more people into the game...that means more people that 'might' want to raid. That's a good thing right? Matbe because the majority of the players in this game raid, as there is not much else to do? __________________ Collametta, 91 HE Ranger, 90 Mstr Armorer Siame, 90 K. Zerk, 90 Alchemist Palayna, 34 Fae Monk, 90 Master Carpenter Beastmastress, 90 WE BL, 31 Prov

11-07-2011, 07:50 PM	#21
Neiloch Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Southern California Posts: 1,430	I'm not asking it to be a raid expansion, so anyone who thought that was from my post has bad reading comprehension and probably shouldn't participate in a written discussion as they lack the proper skill set. I'm asking that it provide the same general appeal as the last expansions did. So I'm asking that it have content for ALL play styles, not stuff that benefits everyone and thus 'fringe benefits' for raiders specifically. If they don't want to do that then fine, make the extremely small percentage of features that appeal to raiders either purchasable separately at lower price or just free for anyone that has a subscription. Basically it comes down to this. If it's priced and sold the same way as previous expansions, its rip off for raiders. More so than any other playstyle in previous expansion packs. Plain and simple. __________________

11-07-2011, 08:44 PM	#22
dawy Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,373	Hilt wrote: Belzeebub2 wrote: No, since I would be paying for new content, whereas this next "expansion" has no new content. I seem to remember all of the people who didn't buy Burning Crusade only to then be told they would have to just to open up features that were introduced in later stages, in later expansions. ALL MMO's will experience similar situations... My hope is that adding more aspects to the game will bring more players in as well as open development into bigger and better content, built on a more robust game framework. I may be wrong but i'm yet to be convinced that this is laying the "groundwork for a more robust game" shake it or spin anyway you want this is a content light xpac simple as that,long gone are the days of EQ2's expansions being the envy of the MMO world in terms of sheer content included in them

11-07-2011, 09:15 PM	#23
Crismorn Loremaster Join Date: May 2006 Location: Vancouver Posts: 2,840	Nrgy wrote: Belzeebub2 wrote: No, since I would be paying for new content, whereas this next "expansion" has no new content. This is a dead issue, get over it. If your a raiding min/max'er than just drop the dime like all the other min/max'ers and be done with it already. Other wise just watch everyone else that did drop the dime pass you in the parse. The Last X-pack did have new content ... I assume you paid for that, but didn't have toit was optional. The Last GU did have new content ... which nobody paid for, because is was "free" (included in subscription) The GU before the last GU did have new content ... which nobody paid for, because is was "free" (included in subscription) The next X-Pack will have many "Features"... will have a retail cost which will be optional for people that see value, but is not required for game play. The next X-Pack, actually GU62 is attached, will have new content (Freeport)... which nobody will have to pay for, because it will be "free" (included in subscription) Belzeebub2 cries about not getting new content to buy The Next GU will have new content... which nobody will have to pay for, because it will be "free" (included in subscription) This is funny to me since the unfinished DoV we already paid for is still unfinished, now we can pay for the same thing twice. I dont care about $40 nearly as much as I care about being deceived into thinking I'm getting some great deal when I'm being charged twice for the same thing. But please let me know if you are ever looking to buy a house or car I can get an amazing 1 for 2 deal.

11-07-2011, 10:31 PM	#24
Ilovecows Server: Nagafen Guild: The Catalyst Rank: Initiate (1k Status) Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 795	Honestly i would prefer them to have the expac as a traditional one; level cap increase, new aas, no overland zones, new heroic dungeons, new raids, etc. etc. along with all these features. That is the most fun for me because i get to do something different, and not just more trivial quests, or boring repetitive heroic instances. __________________ All people suck and are idiots. Only believe yourself. I AM ILOVECOWS! REMEMBER THAT BECAUSE I LOVE COWS. YOU SHOULD LOVE THEM TOO. COWS ARE AMAZING AND I DON'T SEE HOW ANYONE COULD POSSIBLY SAY THAT THEY AREN'T AMAZING. JUST LOOK AT THEIR NATURAL BEAUTY AND GRACE. THE AMAZINGNESS OF THESE ANIMALS ASTOUNDS ME EVERY TIME THAT I SEE THEM. DON'T HATE ON ME FOR THIS, BUT IF YOU DO NOT LOVE COWS, YOU ARE NOT A REAL PERSON.

11-07-2011, 10:43 PM	#25
retro_guy Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 935	Velenda wrote: Neiloch@Butcherblock wrote: Okay how about this. I don't care about beastlords. I do...they look like fun. I don't care about heroic/small group/solo content. I do, because that's how I play the game. I don't care about DYOD. I'm interested in this from a creative standpoint. I don't care about crafting. I love to craft and I know so many fun and friendly crafters. I don't care about mercenaries that are useless for raids (all of them so far from what they have said). I do and...oh now I get it. Why does everything have to be about raids? Why must everything cater to raiders? You know it is ok for a company to focus on other aspects of a game. What they are doing, may not be about raids, but it may help bring more people into the game...that means more people that 'might' want to raid. That's a good thing right? I don't care about raids. Please convert them all to small group content so I can solo them. __________________

11-07-2011, 10:53 PM	#26
Neiloch Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Southern California Posts: 1,430	dawy wrote: I may be wrong but i'm yet to be convinced that this is laying the "groundwork for a more robust game" shake it or spin anyway you want this is a content light xpac simple as that,long gone are the days of EQ2's expansions being the envy of the MMO world in terms of sheer content included in them I also wonder this. I can't seem to think of how even if this is just 'ground work' what would benefit my playstyle. They plan on making raid mercenaries in the future? Build your own raid zone? Not particularly fond of the idea of having to level up an 'apprentice' or crafter to take advantage of raid loot if they have that stuff ever effecting raiding. Gearing up through heroic zones to be capable of raiding new tiers would also sit uneasy. Main reason I never got into Rift was that even if you are in a successful raid guild you would still have to farm stuff from group zones. The more I think about it, if anything it sounds like they are laying the ground work to demephasize and/or phase out raiding which means I would DEFINITELY not be spending any money on this game. when it comes to content outside of raiding EQ2 is doing terribly and it would take a lot more than whats in this xpac to get it caught up to par. __________________

11-08-2011, 12:14 AM	#27
Tygana Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Dragon Fodder Rank: Well Balanced Meal Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 170	Hilt wrote: d) At least we don't have pandas and a Pokemon pet fighting system. We do have pandas, and the beastlord is looking more like a pokemon pet fighting system...

11-08-2011, 12:18 AM	#28
Gaealiege Server: Butcherblock Guild: Eruanna Ar Fuin Rank: Senior Officer Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 748	Yeah, it tickles me that all the fluff people like to point out how there's different play styles, but this expansion doesn't add a thing to raiding. Can my playstyle get something in the expansion too?

11-08-2011, 01:19 AM	#29
Troubor Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Location: My Felwithe Mansion (and a couple other smaller homes), currently. Posts: 1,416	Neiloch@Butcherblock wrote: Okay how about this. I don't care about beastlords. I don't care about heroic/small group/solo content. I don't care about DYOD. I don't care about crafting. I don't care about mercenaries that are useless for raids (all of them so far from what they have said). So far the only things I would remotely care about is a new AA cap and reforging. Paying a full 'expansion' price for just these two things that i am going to use is QUITE and overcharge. This is different from other xpacs that have a couple of additions I might not use, so far I won't be using even half of this xpac which is FAR less than the amount of content and features I used in previous xpacs. Now if they want to make me really happy they can offer these two things (AA and reforging) 'a la carte' and i can just buy part of the xpac for significantly less than buying the whole thing, or they can just make them 'game wide' and throw them in for everyone without any purchase. Otherwise I will be quite displeased with buying this entire expansion pack when I would be using less than half of it. Okay, how about this: If the expansion only focused on the things YOU liked, there would be someone saying how they don't care about any of that. The world doesn't revolve around you. Not everything will cater to your every whim. If this expansion offers very little for you, don't buy it. Things you do seem to care about, other then the 50 aa and reforging will be FREE. New raid content (I assume you care about such) for instance will be FREE in upcoming GU's, and in fact in GU's for the next year or year and a half based on what I understand their current plans to be. So, by not spending a dime, other then missing out on the 50 aa's and reforging you're getting everything YOU want, albeit at a slow pace over a long period of time. Looks like they are catering to you already. It's people who DO care about the things you don't care about that have to pay money to get them. __________________

11-08-2011, 01:20 AM	#30
Troubor Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Location: My Felwithe Mansion (and a couple other smaller homes), currently. Posts: 1,416	Gaealiege@Butcherblock wrote: Yeah, it tickles me that all the fluff people like to point out how there's different play styles, but this expansion doesn't add a thing to raiding. Can my playstyle get something in the expansion too? Read my post to the OP. The future GU's are adding things to raiding. __________________