T1, T2 arrow costs for newbies.

Korok · 10-24-2011, 04:32 PM

I ran out of arrows while running a new toon through Halas and went to the broker only to find I had enough money on me for one arrow! At this point I logged my WW to make some level 10 arrows and noticed that my fuel cost per stack of 200 was 8 silver and my level 10 toon had 33 silver to his name. Not wanting to gouge a new player I could only add a couple of copper to the per arrow price. Further checking showed that the level 20 fuel cost was cheaper than the level 10! The level 10 fuel requirement could be halved to make the cost progression fair and logical. Can I use "logical" here? SMILEY

Calthine · 10-24-2011, 04:52 PM

I think you may have looked at the wrong fuel costs. Tier 2 sandpaper is cheaper than tier 3 SMILEY

Meirril · 10-24-2011, 11:02 PM

If your going to go to the broker and buy arrows, then you should expect to sell stuff on the broker so you can afford to buy stuff. I'm sure you found a few adept spell books. Those should sell for at least 5-6g each. Thanks to research it isn't so important for you to buy/scribe adept spells, especially at these levels so you can perty much sell all of them to transmuters at top price and spend the profits on other things you need.

Like arrows.

Korok · 10-25-2011, 02:22 AM

Calthine wrote:

I think you may have looked at the wrong fuel costs. Tier 2 sandpaper is cheaper than tier 3

I know the sandpaper cost is less but when I put the arrows on the broker the Iron Bodkins list for 4c ea and the carbonites for 3c. That is what I was going by. SMILEY

Korok · 10-25-2011, 02:38 AM

Meirril wrote:

If your going to go to the broker and buy arrows, then you should expect to sell stuff on the broker so you can afford to buy stuff. I'm sure you found a few adept spell books. Those should sell for at least 5-6g each. Thanks to research it isn't so important for you to buy/scribe adept spells, especially at these levels so you can perty much sell all of them to transmuters at top price and spend the profits on other things you need.
Like arrows.

For me and you Meirril it's no problem. I was thinking of the brand new newbie on their first time here finding their way through a strange area not knowing all these tricks and tips that we take for granted. I look at these areas and things from their perspective. If the newbie happens to find the right npc merchant they can buy T1 1c and T2 5c arrows without having to resort to the broker at all.

Lempo · 10-25-2011, 03:13 AM

Korok wrote:

For me and you Meirril it's no problem. I was thinking of the brand new newbie on their first time here finding their way through a strange area not knowing all these tricks and tips that we take for granted. I look at these areas and things from their perspective. If the newbie happens to find the right npc merchant they can buy T1 1c and T2 5c arrows without having to resort to the broker at all.

It isn't a problem for anyone that examines the /claim items they get when they start and interacting with the NPC's and the different tabs available to them.

Meirril · 10-25-2011, 07:02 AM

Korok wrote:

Meirril wrote:
If your going to go to the broker and buy arrows, then you should expect to sell stuff on the broker so you can afford to buy stuff. I'm sure you found a few adept spell books. Those should sell for at least 5-6g each. Thanks to research it isn't so important for you to buy/scribe adept spells, especially at these levels so you can perty much sell all of them to transmuters at top price and spend the profits on other things you need.
Like arrows.
For me and you Meirril it's no problem. I was thinking of the brand new newbie on their first time here finding their way through a strange area not knowing all these tricks and tips that we take for granted. I look at these areas and things from their perspective. If the newbie happens to find the right npc merchant they can buy T1 1c and T2 5c arrows without having to resort to the broker at all.

Noobies need to learn how to use the broker. I can't think of a single high level player that doesn't know how to. The broker is an essential part of the game. While it is possible to not use the broker and reach high levels, that would be like not joining a guild or using ranged weapons.

Without learning to sell items on the broker, I'll argue that vendor purchased arrows are fine for new players. They don't need player made arrows if they arn't going to make the arrows themselves or sell stuff so they can afford to buy. Honestly, vendor made arrows are fine even for rangers at this low of a level.

Lortet · 10-25-2011, 08:22 AM

I agree totally with the last poster - every single treasured item, spare shiny, most spare lore and legend items will bring in so much money that those arrows will be no more than petty cash. 20 minutes in a newby zone can get you at least 1 plat of stuff - that is with a real tier 2 character, not a mentored higher level one btw.

Valdaglerion · 10-25-2011, 03:40 PM

Korok wrote:

Calthine wrote:
I think you may have looked at the wrong fuel costs. Tier 2 sandpaper is cheaper than tier 3
I know the sandpaper cost is less but when I put the arrows on the broker the Iron Bodkins list for 4c ea and the carbonites for 3c. That is what I was going by.

After reading this a few times I wanted to offer something which seems fairly obvious to us veterans but I remember not understanding the brokering mechanic too well when i first started playing so, with that in mind . . .

When you put an item up for sale the price that shows automatically is an average price of what you can expect to sell that item for to a game NPC Merchant. You do not have to sell your item at that 3 -4c price nor would I suggest you doing so. For crafted items it merely represents the fuel equivalent cost of the item. You can set the price of yours goods to whatever you think the market will bear for you. It is always a good idea to see what others are selling the same items for. There is usually (although not always) a good reason for the prices being charged.

And yes, it is better to sell the stuff you dont need on the broker to make coin when you are just getting started. A woodworker was a really good choice of crafter for the current markets by the way, level it up and start selling arrows. They are a good consistent seller.

10-24-2011, 04:52 PM	#2
Calthine ZAM EQII Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,439	I think you may have looked at the wrong fuel costs. Tier 2 sandpaper is cheaper than tier 3 __________________ Please visit my non-gaming Blog! or follow me on Twitter!

10-25-2011, 02:22 AM	#4
Korok Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 16	Calthine wrote: I think you may have looked at the wrong fuel costs. Tier 2 sandpaper is cheaper than tier 3 I know the sandpaper cost is less but when I put the arrows on the broker the Iron Bodkins list for 4c ea and the carbonites for 3c. That is what I was going by.

10-25-2011, 02:38 AM	#5
Korok Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 16	Meirril wrote: If your going to go to the broker and buy arrows, then you should expect to sell stuff on the broker so you can afford to buy stuff. I'm sure you found a few adept spell books. Those should sell for at least 5-6g each. Thanks to research it isn't so important for you to buy/scribe adept spells, especially at these levels so you can perty much sell all of them to transmuters at top price and spend the profits on other things you need. Like arrows. For me and you Meirril it's no problem. I was thinking of the brand new newbie on their first time here finding their way through a strange area not knowing all these tricks and tips that we take for granted. I look at these areas and things from their perspective. If the newbie happens to find the right npc merchant they can buy T1 1c and T2 5c arrows without having to resort to the broker at all.

10-25-2011, 03:13 AM	#6
Lempo Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,179	Korok wrote: For me and you Meirril it's no problem. I was thinking of the brand new newbie on their first time here finding their way through a strange area not knowing all these tricks and tips that we take for granted. I look at these areas and things from their perspective. If the newbie happens to find the right npc merchant they can buy T1 1c and T2 5c arrows without having to resort to the broker at all. It isn't a problem for anyone that examines the /claim items they get when they start and interacting with the NPC's and the different tabs available to them. __________________ All actions have consequences and repercussions. Somewhere in Norrath a guild is about to dissolve.

10-25-2011, 07:02 AM	#7
Meirril Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,552	Korok wrote: Meirril wrote: If your going to go to the broker and buy arrows, then you should expect to sell stuff on the broker so you can afford to buy stuff. I'm sure you found a few adept spell books. Those should sell for at least 5-6g each. Thanks to research it isn't so important for you to buy/scribe adept spells, especially at these levels so you can perty much sell all of them to transmuters at top price and spend the profits on other things you need. Like arrows. For me and you Meirril it's no problem. I was thinking of the brand new newbie on their first time here finding their way through a strange area not knowing all these tricks and tips that we take for granted. I look at these areas and things from their perspective. If the newbie happens to find the right npc merchant they can buy T1 1c and T2 5c arrows without having to resort to the broker at all. Noobies need to learn how to use the broker. I can't think of a single high level player that doesn't know how to. The broker is an essential part of the game. While it is possible to not use the broker and reach high levels, that would be like not joining a guild or using ranged weapons. Without learning to sell items on the broker, I'll argue that vendor purchased arrows are fine for new players. They don't need player made arrows if they arn't going to make the arrows themselves or sell stuff so they can afford to buy. Honestly, vendor made arrows are fine even for rangers at this low of a level.

10-24-2011, 04:32 PM	#1
Korok Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 16	I ran out of arrows while running a new toon through Halas and went to the broker only to find I had enough money on me for one arrow! At this point I logged my WW to make some level 10 arrows and noticed that my fuel cost per stack of 200 was 8 silver and my level 10 toon had 33 silver to his name. Not wanting to gouge a new player I could only add a couple of copper to the per arrow price. Further checking showed that the level 20 fuel cost was cheaper than the level 10! The level 10 fuel requirement could be halved to make the cost progression fair and logical. Can I use "logical" here?

10-24-2011, 11:02 PM	#3
Meirril Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,552	If your going to go to the broker and buy arrows, then you should expect to sell stuff on the broker so you can afford to buy stuff. I'm sure you found a few adept spell books. Those should sell for at least 5-6g each. Thanks to research it isn't so important for you to buy/scribe adept spells, especially at these levels so you can perty much sell all of them to transmuters at top price and spend the profits on other things you need. Like arrows.

10-25-2011, 08:22 AM	#8
Lortet Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 885	I agree totally with the last poster - every single treasured item, spare shiny, most spare lore and legend items will bring in so much money that those arrows will be no more than petty cash. 20 minutes in a newby zone can get you at least 1 plat of stuff - that is with a real tier 2 character, not a mentored higher level one btw.

10-25-2011, 03:40 PM	#9
Valdaglerion Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,870	Korok wrote: Calthine wrote: I think you may have looked at the wrong fuel costs. Tier 2 sandpaper is cheaper than tier 3 I know the sandpaper cost is less but when I put the arrows on the broker the Iron Bodkins list for 4c ea and the carbonites for 3c. That is what I was going by. After reading this a few times I wanted to offer something which seems fairly obvious to us veterans but I remember not understanding the brokering mechanic too well when i first started playing so, with that in mind . . . When you put an item up for sale the price that shows automatically is an average price of what you can expect to sell that item for to a game NPC Merchant. You do not have to sell your item at that 3 -4c price nor would I suggest you doing so. For crafted items it merely represents the fuel equivalent cost of the item. You can set the price of yours goods to whatever you think the market will bear for you. It is always a good idea to see what others are selling the same items for. There is usually (although not always) a good reason for the prices being charged. And yes, it is better to sell the stuff you dont need on the broker to make coin when you are just getting started. A woodworker was a really good choice of crafter for the current markets by the way, level it up and start selling arrows. They are a good consistent seller.