House Rating System Feedback

[Gwyrdd]

Able to use the system on Live last night, I found the directory fairly easy to use (I wonder about it once there are many more listings to scroll through, but we'll see). Transit to houses was convenient, the rating system accessible, although the actual rating window was a little touchy. Neat.

Here's a curious experience I had. I flew off to Drunder to buy the recipe for floor tiles. I called to my Guild Hall, puttered around, used our housing portal to go to my main residence in Neriak. Did some crafting there. Decided to jump through a portal to one of my prestige homes and (gulp, bite the bullet!) publish my first house. That worked great. I jumped portal to a different prestige house to put down a bunch of items. Then I pulled up the /house window with the intent to leave for a non-prestige house linked by portal, for a little more decorating. When I clicked "Leave House," instead of the familiar window with options to leave to the Parent Zone or other houses linked by portal, I exited straight to the Fortress of Drunder.

Is this as intended?

[Jesdyr]

Rothgar

Can you explain how the award system actually works ?

When are awards awarded? (say Midnight server time)

When you say Best/Top  ... Best/top against what other houses?  

Also the entire thing seems buggy .. Pics are sometimes wrong and review counts dont refresh.

http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...505774&#5618216

[JazzMaus]

I can't help wondering when this system is going to get extended to rating players, too: AA builds, gear, appearance, & so on.

I've got no other comments to make on this system, which is irrelevant to my play interests.

[Irgun]

My house: up for 2 days with a 4star rating from 7 people: no awards

other guys house: up for 20hours with a 1star rating from 1person: 2 awards

Hellohooooooo...justice??

[Telden]

Irgin@Valor wrote:

My house: up for 2 days with a 4star rating from 7 people: no awards

other guys house: up for 20hours with a 1star rating from 1person: 2 awards

Hellohooooooo...justice??

Working As Intended.

[Cyliena]

Scurray@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Irgin@Valor wrote:

My house: up for 2 days with a 4star rating from 7 people: no awards

other guys house: up for 20hours with a 1star rating from 1person: 2 awards

Hellohooooooo...justice??

Working As Intended.

Only recent ratings within the last 24 hours count toward awards. People can re-vote to refresh their vote for the recent category.

[Cloudrat]

I went to visit some houses on Nagafen and there is no way to know which houses are evil and which are good based on the leaderboard and you get bounced out of the houses that aren't your alignment still.

[Whilhelmina]

The titles for reaching Hall of Fame are not given if you're not connected at the time they're sent out. Question is: do you intend to fix it and will we have to unpublish and re-publish to get the titles?

[Rhyashaa]

(Disclaimer: This is the only House Rating Feedback thread I've been able to find, so if there is a more current one, please point me towards it)

I think it would be nice to have the ability to post a suggestion to the house publisher along with your rating, if inclined (Much like the Android marketplace). For instance, today I visited someone's dojo. It was simple but nice. The only problem I had, which caused me to downrate a half star, was the fact that one of the potted trees was poking through the other side of the wall. I would have loved to be able to tell the publisher about it so he or she could have the option to fix it. I may not be the only one downrating because of that simple mistake.

Unfortunately, I can see where this option could possibly be abused. Although the rating system itself is already somewhat abused by negative voters (trying to raise the rankings of others). I still believe it may be a useful feature for publishers who also want to know what people think other than a simple star rating.

[d1anaw]

Irgin@Valor wrote:

My house: up for 2 days with a 4star rating from 7 people: no awards

other guys house: up for 20hours with a 1star rating from 1person: 2 awards

Hellohooooooo...justice??

This is kind of why I opted out. I will only list my houses for transportation purposes. I have zero interst in ratings. I even named them as pass throughs or thorougfares. I have no issue with people looking at them, but I think the whole rating system is just an exploit. And I wouldn't be surprised if someone wants to rate players. There seems to be a need to feel better at someone else's expense in this game.

[Rhyashaa]

Irgin@Valor wrote:

My house: up for 2 days with a 4star rating from 7 people: no awards

other guys house: up for 20hours with a 1star rating from 1person: 2 awards

Hellohooooooo...justice??

It could be as Cyliena said or it could be that the person previously published their house, won the awards, then unpublished, changed some things, and re-published the house. You don't lose your awards when you unpublish your house.

[d1anaw]

Rhyashaa@Kithicor wrote:

Irgin@Valor wrote:

My house: up for 2 days with a 4star rating from 7 people: no awards

other guys house: up for 20hours with a 1star rating from 1person: 2 awards

Hellohooooooo...justice??

It could be as Cyliena said or it could be that the person previously published their house, won the awards, then unpublished, changed some things, and re-published the house. You don't lose your awards when you unpublish your house.

Back when I was listing for ratings, I actually got a very nice email from someone regarding my house. That is one way someone could comment. I have wished I could comment too, but things being what they are, I don't think it's really wise.

[Cloudrat]

I have been watching the boards and all I can see is that one person can ruin it for the entire server by making sure only the ones they think should get awards do.  One vote for double 5 stars for half a dozen houses and one vote for less than that for the rest insure the rest never get any awards regardless of how good they are.  That one trash vote can ruin the chances of any house makes this system less than useful and creating hard feelings and anguish in a community that is sharing and helpful.

Put and end to the stars  please.

[d1anaw]

Cloudrat wrote:

I have been watching the boards and all I can see is that one person can ruin it for the entire server by making sure only the ones they think should get awards do.  One vote for double 5 stars for half a dozen houses and one vote for less than that for the rest insure the rest never get any awards regardless of how good they are.  That one trash vote can ruin the chances of any house makes this system less than useful and creating hard feelings and anguish in a community that is sharing and helpful.

Put and end to the stars  please.

I agree with you. One reason I started using it only as a transport system was because I went into several places that were clearly little more than dumping grounds with 5 star votes. I figure what's the point?

[Tylia]

Cloudrat wrote:

I have been watching the boards and all I can see is that one person can ruin it for the entire server by making sure only the ones they think should get awards do.  One vote for double 5 stars for half a dozen houses and one vote for less than that for the rest insure the rest never get any awards regardless of how good they are.  That one trash vote can ruin the chances of any house makes this system less than useful and creating hard feelings and anguish in a community that is sharing and helpful.

Put and end to the stars  please.

I agree 100%.  I think the star rating system is doing more harm than it ever will good to a community that is a wonderful part of EQ2.  I refuse to publish my houses because of the ridiculous nature of the current rating system. 

[Banedon_Toran]

Pottering around various servers I've seen low marks for top quality homes by well know decorators.  It's obvious that some people are taking the 'option' of marking down the competition.

With regards to an earlier comment about giving lower scores because the house was obviously done with layouts...

< offers a pile of Qeynos white marble and a copy of OpenOffice > there ya go... make me a replica of the Temple of Artemis, one of the original seven wonders of the world, using this pile of white marble and a spreadsheet... don't forget to then dress it with some extra suitable items so that it fits within the lore of Norrath while you're at it.  Oh forgot to say, you'll have to research several biblical sources in order to get the right proportions... good luck...

[Cloudrat]

d1anaw wrote:

Irgin@Valor wrote:

My house: up for 2 days with a 4star rating from 7 people: no awards

other guys house: up for 20hours with a 1star rating from 1person: 2 awards

Hellohooooooo...justice??

This is kind of why I opted out. I will only list my houses for transportation purposes. I have zero interst in ratings. I even named them as pass throughs or thorougfares. I have no issue with people looking at them, but I think the whole rating system is just an exploit. And I wouldn't be surprised if someone wants to rate players. There seems to be a need to feel better at someone else's expense in this game.

Down with star ratings !!   Like or nothing votes like facebook. This system is too open to griefing and subjective critics.

[Crismorn]

paing x plat for you to give me a good vote is the actual issue

[Raienya]

Cloudrat wrote:

d1anaw wrote:

Irgin@Valor wrote:

My house: up for 2 days with a 4star rating from 7 people: no awards

other guys house: up for 20hours with a 1star rating from 1person: 2 awards

Hellohooooooo...justice??

This is kind of why I opted out. I will only list my houses for transportation purposes. I have zero interst in ratings. I even named them as pass throughs or thorougfares. I have no issue with people looking at them, but I think the whole rating system is just an exploit. And I wouldn't be surprised if someone wants to rate players. There seems to be a need to feel better at someone else's expense in this game.

Down with star ratings !!   Like or nothing votes like facebook. This system is too open to griefing and subjective critics.

/agree, Cloud. There have been several instances on my server where known trolls announce that they are going to rate so-and-so's house low, and do it not only on their mains, but they make as many alts as they can to go trash someone's work just to be a jerk.

[Gungo]

They should use the like button i agree and make it so transportation items are not usable if a person ported to a listed house.

[Nisala]

I just wish the Devs would give us some feedback on all of our feedback.  What exactly do the Devs want with this system as it currently stands?

[Rothgar]

We have an upcoming change that modifies the way we calculate the overall rating from all of the votes.  The new method is not as sensitive to outlying results, like the occasional low vote.  If a house receives a bunch of low votes, they can still get a lower rating, but a few low votes when the rest are high will not bring the rating down.

We'll watch it after this change goes live to see if it fixes the majority of the problem. 

[Karrane1]

Thanks for the reply Rothgar. =)  I hope the changes fix the issues.

[Cloudrat]

Rothgar wrote:

We have an upcoming change that modifies the way we calculate the overall rating from all of the votes.  The new method is not as sensitive to outlying results, like the occasional low vote.  If a house receives a bunch of low votes, they can still get a lower rating, but a few low votes when the rest are high will not bring the rating down.

We'll watch it after this change goes live to see if it fixes the majority of the problem. 

 Down with stars!!

[Cloudrat]

While we are here, what is the deal with titles from Hall of Fame that require you to be online to receive?   Some are petitioning to get title and then still have to be online to get it from GM. 

[Writer Cal]

Rothgar wrote:

We have an upcoming change that modifies the way we calculate the overall rating from all of the votes.  The new method is not as sensitive to outlying results, like the occasional low vote.  If a house receives a bunch of low votes, they can still get a lower rating, but a few low votes when the rest are high will not bring the rating down.

We'll watch it after this change goes live to see if it fixes the majority of the problem. 

Thank you for the further tweaking of the system, Rothgar.  I really appreciate it.

But I have a feeling this alone won't completely stop the abusive, bad behavior.  Will it stop X griefer from getting all his friends and guildies from joining him in the bashing?  Or Y dirty cheating brat from getting his guildies to also downvote the competition?  Even if it's rarer, or only done by a handful of really determined griefers/cheaters...allowing it to continue at all isn't right either. :/

[Cloudrat]

Daenee@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Rothgar wrote:

We have an upcoming change that modifies the way we calculate the overall rating from all of the votes.  The new method is not as sensitive to outlying results, like the occasional low vote.  If a house receives a bunch of low votes, they can still get a lower rating, but a few low votes when the rest are high will not bring the rating down.

We'll watch it after this change goes live to see if it fixes the majority of the problem. 

Thank you for the further tweaking of the system, Rothgar.  I really appreciate it.

But I have a feeling this alone won't completely stop the abusive, bad behavior.  Will it stop X griefer from getting all his friends and guildies from joining him in the bashing?  Or Y dirty cheating brat from getting his guildies to also downvote the competition?  Even if it's rarer, or only done by a handful of really determined griefers/cheaters...allowing it to continue at all isn't right either. :/

Agreed,  changing increments just makes it a little more difficult to grief and based on what I know about the psychology of the  greifer that  is an encouragment more than  a deterrent.

[Ventisly]

Rothgar wrote:

We have an upcoming change that modifies the way we calculate the overall rating from all of the votes.  The new method is not as sensitive to outlying results, like the occasional low vote.  If a house receives a bunch of low votes, they can still get a lower rating, but a few low votes when the rest are high will not bring the rating down.

We'll watch it after this change goes live to see if it fixes the majority of the problem. 

This still won't address people that have houses that have been published for a while, getting one vote for 5 stars right before the 6pm deadline and taking first place from a house that has 10 or 20 stars but perhaps an average of 4.5 stars.

You should just change it to be a 48 hour window that totals up all the star votes rather than averaging them since that would eliminate any "negative" vote possibility.

[Writer Cal]

Makya@Everfrost wrote:

Rothgar wrote:

We have an upcoming change that modifies the way we calculate the overall rating from all of the votes.  The new method is not as sensitive to outlying results, like the occasional low vote.  If a house receives a bunch of low votes, they can still get a lower rating, but a few low votes when the rest are high will not bring the rating down.

We'll watch it after this change goes live to see if it fixes the majority of the problem. 

This still won't address people that have houses that have been published for a while, getting one vote for 5 stars right before the 6pm deadline and taking first place from a house that has 10 or 20 stars but perhaps an average of 4.5 stars.

You should just change it to be a 48 hour window that totals up all the star votes rather than averaging them since that would eliminate any "negative" vote possibility.

This, this, this!  /cheers.  Yes, please.  Total stars for the 48 hour period would eliminate griefing, downvoting competition, and a large portion of "playing the system" in one move.

[Crismorn]

Yes lets do total stars so the people with more plat win, this is much more fair...