It's time for a "Dirge quit" thread

ccarro · 09-15-2011, 06:06 PM

The change to our myth buff is crap. Time to cancel.

Yimway · 09-15-2011, 06:12 PM

Surely you saw this comming, and given the proc stats, it was the most padded nerf bat I've seen in a while.

It could be worse, you could have the Fury Mythical =)

Buzzing · 09-15-2011, 06:15 PM

Circadian@Unrest_old wrote:

The change to our myth buff is crap. Time to cancel.

I Really don't think a stacking 25% flurry buff will be nearly the nerf you think will be. it will be a nerf but it could be way worse.

Lcneed · 09-15-2011, 06:33 PM

Lets be real. Don't think too many would actually cancel. Many of the dirges were either alts or betrayed because of the mythical. They (including me) would either just play other characters or betray back. The rest of them don't care about the mythical and just like playing dirge.

I think the reason they gave for changing the dirge mythical is going the wrong direction. What it said is the they don't want it to "grow" with the other stats. I think a class defining Mythical power should grow with the character. So much time was spent in designing the epic quests and weapons, why would they want to throw all them away? In the direction it is going, in a few years many of the mythicals would become obsolete.

Change all the mythicals so they would grow with the characters. Make the mythical as desirable at level 100 as at level 80.

Felshades · 09-15-2011, 06:34 PM

Buzzing@Butcherblock wrote:

Circadian@Unrest_old wrote:
The change to our myth buff is crap. Time to cancel.
I Really don't think a stacking 25% flurry buff will be nearly the nerf you think will be. it will be a nerf but it could be way worse.

the cap on those stats will make it pointless to keep up other than raidwide cob and the riana's buff. If you're capped on flurry, then... yeah.

Talathion · 09-15-2011, 06:45 PM

where is this change?

Faildozer · 09-15-2011, 06:45 PM

sony needs to redo ALL combat arts (scouts and fighters included) so that they scale closer to mage spells and then that damage is supplemented with auto attack damage which can be scaled back some in terms of the amount of double attack on gear. Basically stacking multi attack can only keep scouts competitive for so long and leaves fighters behind in the dust because they get half as much MA from their gear. The fighter thing wouldnt be as big of an issue if fighters didnt rely on dps for aggro since taunts are pointless.

Sony, the dirge myth buff is not the problem, you guys putting in 600ma, 30-50 flurry depending on the scout, 300+ dps mod and haste to keep scouts competitive with mages is only going to help until more gear comes out and mages still scale better and you have to double the amounts of melee skills to keep up. Fix combat art damage and you dont have to nerf the dirge myth.

Felshades · 09-15-2011, 06:46 PM

Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote:

where is this change?

test update notes.

Yimway · 09-15-2011, 06:47 PM

Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote:

where is this change?

Might read the test update notes before checkin the testing forums.

Talathion · 09-15-2011, 06:48 PM

You got 25% Flurry/25% Potency instead.

Yimway · 09-15-2011, 06:53 PM

Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote:

You got 25% Flurry/25% Potency instead.

Yeap, but even that is a nerf compaired to what the thing was orriginally.

I'm interested to see what improvements the troub myth gets since they are being examined as well.

Felshades · 09-15-2011, 07:04 PM

Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote:

You got 25% Flurry/25% Potency instead.

Flurry has a cap.

Geothe · 09-15-2011, 07:10 PM

Nadirah@Crushbone wrote:

Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote:
You got 25% Flurry/25% Potency instead.
Flurry has a cap.

which currently on live only assassins can get half-way to with top gear.

Talathion · 09-15-2011, 07:17 PM

well atleast its not like I have 280% AOE autoattack when 100% is the cap.

But Bad Mythical Caps isn't the discussion SMILEY

Felshades · 09-15-2011, 07:25 PM

Geothe wrote:

Nadirah@Crushbone wrote:
Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote:
You got 25% Flurry/25% Potency instead.
Flurry has a cap.
which currently on live only assassins can get half-way to with top gear.

Doesn't mean that we won't be hitting it next expansion.

Talathion · 09-15-2011, 07:26 PM

Nadirah@Crushbone wrote:

Geothe wrote:
Nadirah@Crushbone wrote:
Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote:
You got 25% Flurry/25% Potency instead.
Flurry has a cap.
which currently on live only assassins can get half-way to with top gear.
Doesn't mean that we won't be hitting it next expansion.

Lots of caps need removed.

Gungo · 09-15-2011, 07:35 PM

Nadirah@Crushbone wrote:

Geothe wrote:
Nadirah@Crushbone wrote:
Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote:
You got 25% Flurry/25% Potency instead.
Flurry has a cap.
which currently on live only assassins can get half-way to with top gear.
Doesn't mean that we won't be hitting it next expansion.

I doubt that soon considering they just uncapped alot of stuff and added spell auto to itemization.The only stat that really needs to be uncapped now is AOE auto and that is because its easily overcapped by a few classes.

LygerT · 09-15-2011, 08:04 PM

no more AFKing, i ragequit!

Grrimreaper · 09-15-2011, 08:37 PM

There is absolutely no reason to change the dirge myth buff, unless you plan on revamping the class abilities at the same time. Massive amounts of players betrayed to dirge for this very buff. It places dirges exactly where they should be on parses.

But if you do plan on following through with this at least make it crit bonus instead of potency, we arent troubs (at least not until the nerf hits).

Geothe · 09-15-2011, 08:41 PM

Disgusting@Permafrost wrote:

There is absolutely no reason to change the dirge myth buff, unless you plan on revamping the class abilities at the same time. Massive amounts of players betrayed to dirge for this very buff. It places dirges exactly where they should be on parses.
But if you do plan on following through with this at least make it crit bonus instead of potency, we arent troubs (at least not until the nerf hits).

LOL.Yeah, no.Dirge myth in its current state on Live is extremely OP and only becomes more so with every expansion.It needed to be changed, and it is still the best myth out there.

minichimi · 09-15-2011, 09:06 PM

Geothe wrote:

it is still the best myth out there.

Because Spirit Tap, Cleansing of the Soul, Touch of Life, Strikethrough, Whirlwind, Nature's Restoration aren't that great.

TwistedFaith · 09-15-2011, 09:09 PM

Only way to fix a class (troub) is to nerf another class (dirge) it's the SOE way of thinking and the reason why this game will simply eventually die out.

Lempo · 09-15-2011, 09:19 PM

TwistedFaith wrote:

Only way to fix a class (troub) is to nerf another class (dirge) it's the SOE way of thinking and the reason why this game will simply eventually die out.

No they are fixing Troubs by evaluating them and making some changes to their spells/combat arts and maybe AA's, you know those changes that Dirges along with EVERY other class in updates since DoV was released all of which either excluded Troubs or it was a shared between them and Dirges. The Dirge mythical was OP everyone knew it, even the dirges and they knew it was coming down the pipeline. They are doing the same thing to Dirges now that they are doing for Troubs they are fixing them, you just don't like the direction, so betray or reroll idc.

ccarro · 09-15-2011, 10:41 PM

Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote:

You got 25% Flurry/25% Potency instead.

Potency? rofl

ccarro · 09-15-2011, 10:43 PM

Lempo@Everfrost wrote:

TwistedFaith wrote:
Only way to fix a class (troub) is to nerf another class (dirge) it's the SOE way of thinking and the reason why this game will simply eventually die out.
No they are fixing Troubs by evaluating them and making some changes to their spells/combat arts and maybe AA's, you know those changes that Dirges along with EVERY other class in updates since DoV was released all of which either excluded Troubs or it was a shared between them and Dirges. The Dirge mythical was OP everyone knew it, even the dirges and they knew it was coming down the pipeline. They are doing the same thing to Dirges now that they are doing for Troubs they are fixing them, you just don't like the direction, so betray or reroll idc.

The dirge myth was what made playing a dirge fun. Needless to say, I terminated my account today. There is no reason to keep playing a game the devs insist on making worse with each update.

Lempo · 09-15-2011, 11:01 PM

Circadian@Unrest_old wrote:

The dirge myth was what made playing a dirge fun. Needless to say, I terminated my account today. There is no reason to keep playing a game the devs insist on making worse with each update.

Whatever. You must be one easy person to entertain if your 'myth' was what made the game entertaining enough for you to play.

It isn't even thinly veiled. What's the problem? Are you a terrible player that can parse good enough for instance groups because of the OP buff and now you know you won't be able to get groups?

Just make sure to give someone your stuff before your account expires, be a shame for it to sit and go to waste.

The update isn't live yet, the nerf may be toned down some none of you know yet, they may modify some of your stuff in conjunction with the troubs. What is clear without a doubt is your myth was OP you had it for a long time now you may have to alter your style to pickup some of the DPS you lose from the mythical. That or you can choose to run away crying foul before it even hits and you try it.

TwistedFaith · 09-15-2011, 11:17 PM

At this point in the games lifecycle nerfing what is a fun class that people enjoy playing is not what SOE should be doing. What exactly has been acheived here, you have lowered dirge dps so some slack so called top tier dps can feel better about themselves and you have annoyed a bunch of dirges.

People can talk about balance all their want but this is not a new game. SOE's main objective should be to make the game as fun as possible. New players are not going to suddenly stream into EQ2 so the emphasis should be on the current players.

SOE should be looking at all the classes and making them as fun to play as possible. The troub changes look kinda meh to me, where's the fun, where's the thing that is going to make people want to play a troub?

Gaige · 09-15-2011, 11:22 PM

Circadian@Unrest_old wrote:

The dirge myth was what made playing a dirge fun. Needless to say, I terminated my account today. There is no reason to keep playing a game the devs insist on making worse with each update.

If having 60% of your dps happen just by standing in melee range is "fun" I feel sorry for you.

TwistedFaith · 09-15-2011, 11:27 PM

Gaige wrote:

Circadian@Unrest_old wrote:
The dirge myth was what made playing a dirge fun. Needless to say, I terminated my account today. There is no reason to keep playing a game the devs insist on making worse with each update.
If having 60% of your dps happen just by standing in melee range is "fun" I feel sorry for you.

Time to nerf rangers?

Lempo · 09-15-2011, 11:31 PM

TwistedFaith wrote:

Gaige wrote:
Circadian@Unrest_old wrote:
The dirge myth was what made playing a dirge fun. Needless to say, I terminated my account today. There is no reason to keep playing a game the devs insist on making worse with each update.
If having 60% of your dps happen just by standing in melee range is "fun" I feel sorry for you.
Time to nerf rangers?

Is their mythical OP?

09-15-2011, 06:06 PM	#1
ccarro General Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Maine Posts: 225	The change to our myth buff is crap. Time to cancel. __________________

09-15-2011, 06:12 PM	#2
Yimway Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 9,707	Surely you saw this comming, and given the proc stats, it was the most padded nerf bat I've seen in a while. It could be worse, you could have the Fury Mythical =) __________________

09-15-2011, 06:15 PM	#3
Buzzing Server: Butcherblock Guild: The Cartel Rank: Alt's/Inactive Loremaster Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 317	Circadian@Unrest_old wrote: The change to our myth buff is crap. Time to cancel. I Really don't think a stacking 25% flurry buff will be nearly the nerf you think will be. it will be a nerf but it could be way worse.

09-15-2011, 06:33 PM	#4
Lcneed Lord Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 289	Lets be real. Don't think too many would actually cancel. Many of the dirges were either alts or betrayed because of the mythical. They (including me) would either just play other characters or betray back. The rest of them don't care about the mythical and just like playing dirge. I think the reason they gave for changing the dirge mythical is going the wrong direction. What it said is the they don't want it to "grow" with the other stats. I think a class defining Mythical power should grow with the character. So much time was spent in designing the epic quests and weapons, why would they want to throw all them away? In the direction it is going, in a few years many of the mythicals would become obsolete. Change all the mythicals so they would grow with the characters. Make the mythical as desirable at level 100 as at level 80. __________________

09-15-2011, 06:34 PM	#5
Felshades Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,887	Buzzing@Butcherblock wrote: Circadian@Unrest_old wrote: The change to our myth buff is crap. Time to cancel. I Really don't think a stacking 25% flurry buff will be nearly the nerf you think will be. it will be a nerf but it could be way worse. the cap on those stats will make it pointless to keep up other than raidwide cob and the riana's buff. If you're capped on flurry, then... yeah.

09-15-2011, 06:45 PM	#6
Talathion Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Cladire Mortii Rank: Initiate/Slave Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,780	where is this change?

09-15-2011, 06:45 PM	#7
Faildozer Server: Permafrost Guild: Mass Extinction Rank: Normal Officer Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 150	sony needs to redo ALL combat arts (scouts and fighters included) so that they scale closer to mage spells and then that damage is supplemented with auto attack damage which can be scaled back some in terms of the amount of double attack on gear. Basically stacking multi attack can only keep scouts competitive for so long and leaves fighters behind in the dust because they get half as much MA from their gear. The fighter thing wouldnt be as big of an issue if fighters didnt rely on dps for aggro since taunts are pointless. Sony, the dirge myth buff is not the problem, you guys putting in 600ma, 30-50 flurry depending on the scout, 300+ dps mod and haste to keep scouts competitive with mages is only going to help until more gear comes out and mages still scale better and you have to double the amounts of melee skills to keep up. Fix combat art damage and you dont have to nerf the dirge myth. __________________

09-15-2011, 06:46 PM	#8
Felshades Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,887	Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote: where is this change? test update notes.

09-15-2011, 06:47 PM	#9
Yimway Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 9,707	Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote: where is this change? Might read the test update notes before checkin the testing forums. __________________

09-15-2011, 06:48 PM	#10
Talathion Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Cladire Mortii Rank: Initiate/Slave Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,780	You got 25% Flurry/25% Potency instead.

09-15-2011, 06:53 PM	#11
Yimway Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 9,707	Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote: You got 25% Flurry/25% Potency instead. Yeap, but even that is a nerf compaired to what the thing was orriginally. I'm interested to see what improvements the troub myth gets since they are being examined as well. __________________

09-15-2011, 07:04 PM	#12
Felshades Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,887	Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote: You got 25% Flurry/25% Potency instead. Flurry has a cap.

09-15-2011, 07:10 PM	#13
Geothe Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,098	Nadirah@Crushbone wrote: Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote: You got 25% Flurry/25% Potency instead. Flurry has a cap. which currently on live only assassins can get half-way to with top gear. __________________ Smed: We aren't going to be allowing RMT in any way, shape or form on the non-exchange enabled EQ II servers. Period. End of statement. Smed: 5) This [LoN] is not some slippery slope towards selling items directly in EQ & EQ II. Lie #3: Station Cash. Enough Said.

09-15-2011, 07:17 PM	#14
Talathion Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Cladire Mortii Rank: Initiate/Slave Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,780	well atleast its not like I have 280% AOE autoattack when 100% is the cap. But Bad Mythical Caps isn't the discussion

09-15-2011, 07:25 PM	#15
Felshades Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,887	Geothe wrote: Nadirah@Crushbone wrote: Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote: You got 25% Flurry/25% Potency instead. Flurry has a cap. which currently on live only assassins can get half-way to with top gear. Doesn't mean that we won't be hitting it next expansion.

09-15-2011, 07:26 PM	#16
Talathion Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Cladire Mortii Rank: Initiate/Slave Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,780	Nadirah@Crushbone wrote: Geothe wrote: Nadirah@Crushbone wrote: Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote: You got 25% Flurry/25% Potency instead. Flurry has a cap. which currently on live only assassins can get half-way to with top gear. Doesn't mean that we won't be hitting it next expansion. Lots of caps need removed.

09-15-2011, 07:35 PM	#17
Gungo Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Crushbone Posts: 5,378	Nadirah@Crushbone wrote: Geothe wrote: Nadirah@Crushbone wrote: Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote: You got 25% Flurry/25% Potency instead. Flurry has a cap. which currently on live only assassins can get half-way to with top gear. Doesn't mean that we won't be hitting it next expansion. I doubt that soon considering they just uncapped alot of stuff and added spell auto to itemization.The only stat that really needs to be uncapped now is AOE auto and that is because its easily overcapped by a few classes.

09-15-2011, 08:04 PM	#18
LygerT Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: las vegas, NV Posts: 2,144	no more AFKing, i ragequit!

09-15-2011, 08:37 PM	#19
Grrimreaper Server: Permafrost Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 19	There is absolutely no reason to change the dirge myth buff, unless you plan on revamping the class abilities at the same time. Massive amounts of players betrayed to dirge for this very buff. It places dirges exactly where they should be on parses. But if you do plan on following through with this at least make it crit bonus instead of potency, we arent troubs (at least not until the nerf hits).

09-15-2011, 08:41 PM	#20
Geothe Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,098	Disgusting@Permafrost wrote: There is absolutely no reason to change the dirge myth buff, unless you plan on revamping the class abilities at the same time. Massive amounts of players betrayed to dirge for this very buff. It places dirges exactly where they should be on parses. But if you do plan on following through with this at least make it crit bonus instead of potency, we arent troubs (at least not until the nerf hits). LOL.Yeah, no.Dirge myth in its current state on Live is extremely OP and only becomes more so with every expansion.It needed to be changed, and it is still the best myth out there. __________________ Smed: We aren't going to be allowing RMT in any way, shape or form on the non-exchange enabled EQ II servers. Period. End of statement. Smed: 5) This [LoN] is not some slippery slope towards selling items directly in EQ & EQ II. Lie #3: Station Cash. Enough Said.

09-15-2011, 09:06 PM	#21
minichimi Defender Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 16	Geothe wrote: it is still the best myth out there. Because Spirit Tap, Cleansing of the Soul, Touch of Life, Strikethrough, Whirlwind, Nature's Restoration aren't that great.

09-15-2011, 09:09 PM	#22
TwistedFaith Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 892	Only way to fix a class (troub) is to nerf another class (dirge) it's the SOE way of thinking and the reason why this game will simply eventually die out.

09-15-2011, 09:19 PM	#23
Lempo Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,179	TwistedFaith wrote: Only way to fix a class (troub) is to nerf another class (dirge) it's the SOE way of thinking and the reason why this game will simply eventually die out. No they are fixing Troubs by evaluating them and making some changes to their spells/combat arts and maybe AA's, you know those changes that Dirges along with EVERY other class in updates since DoV was released all of which either excluded Troubs or it was a shared between them and Dirges. The Dirge mythical was OP everyone knew it, even the dirges and they knew it was coming down the pipeline. They are doing the same thing to Dirges now that they are doing for Troubs they are fixing them, you just don't like the direction, so betray or reroll idc. __________________ All actions have consequences and repercussions. Somewhere in Norrath a guild is about to dissolve.

09-15-2011, 10:41 PM	#24
ccarro General Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Maine Posts: 225	Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote: You got 25% Flurry/25% Potency instead. Potency? rofl __________________

09-15-2011, 10:43 PM	#25
ccarro General Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Maine Posts: 225	Lempo@Everfrost wrote: TwistedFaith wrote: Only way to fix a class (troub) is to nerf another class (dirge) it's the SOE way of thinking and the reason why this game will simply eventually die out. No they are fixing Troubs by evaluating them and making some changes to their spells/combat arts and maybe AA's, you know those changes that Dirges along with EVERY other class in updates since DoV was released all of which either excluded Troubs or it was a shared between them and Dirges. The Dirge mythical was OP everyone knew it, even the dirges and they knew it was coming down the pipeline. They are doing the same thing to Dirges now that they are doing for Troubs they are fixing them, you just don't like the direction, so betray or reroll idc. The dirge myth was what made playing a dirge fun. Needless to say, I terminated my account today. There is no reason to keep playing a game the devs insist on making worse with each update. __________________

09-15-2011, 11:01 PM	#26
Lempo Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,179	Circadian@Unrest_old wrote: The dirge myth was what made playing a dirge fun. Needless to say, I terminated my account today. There is no reason to keep playing a game the devs insist on making worse with each update. Whatever. You must be one easy person to entertain if your 'myth' was what made the game entertaining enough for you to play. It isn't even thinly veiled. What's the problem? Are you a terrible player that can parse good enough for instance groups because of the OP buff and now you know you won't be able to get groups? Just make sure to give someone your stuff before your account expires, be a shame for it to sit and go to waste. The update isn't live yet, the nerf may be toned down some none of you know yet, they may modify some of your stuff in conjunction with the troubs. What is clear without a doubt is your myth was OP you had it for a long time now you may have to alter your style to pickup some of the DPS you lose from the mythical. That or you can choose to run away crying foul before it even hits and you try it. __________________ All actions have consequences and repercussions. Somewhere in Norrath a guild is about to dissolve.

09-15-2011, 11:17 PM	#27
TwistedFaith Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 892	At this point in the games lifecycle nerfing what is a fun class that people enjoy playing is not what SOE should be doing. What exactly has been acheived here, you have lowered dirge dps so some slack so called top tier dps can feel better about themselves and you have annoyed a bunch of dirges. People can talk about balance all their want but this is not a new game. SOE's main objective should be to make the game as fun as possible. New players are not going to suddenly stream into EQ2 so the emphasis should be on the current players. SOE should be looking at all the classes and making them as fun to play as possible. The troub changes look kinda meh to me, where's the fun, where's the thing that is going to make people want to play a troub?

09-15-2011, 11:22 PM	#28
Gaige Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 9,500	Circadian@Unrest_old wrote: The dirge myth was what made playing a dirge fun. Needless to say, I terminated my account today. There is no reason to keep playing a game the devs insist on making worse with each update. If having 60% of your dps happen just by standing in melee range is "fun" I feel sorry for you. __________________

09-15-2011, 11:27 PM	#29
TwistedFaith Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 892	Gaige wrote: Circadian@Unrest_old wrote: The dirge myth was what made playing a dirge fun. Needless to say, I terminated my account today. There is no reason to keep playing a game the devs insist on making worse with each update. If having 60% of your dps happen just by standing in melee range is "fun" I feel sorry for you. Time to nerf rangers?

09-15-2011, 11:31 PM	#30
Lempo Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,179	TwistedFaith wrote: Gaige wrote: Circadian@Unrest_old wrote: The dirge myth was what made playing a dirge fun. Needless to say, I terminated my account today. There is no reason to keep playing a game the devs insist on making worse with each update. If having 60% of your dps happen just by standing in melee range is "fun" I feel sorry for you. Time to nerf rangers? Is their mythical OP? __________________ All actions have consequences and repercussions. Somewhere in Norrath a guild is about to dissolve.