Question to all trade skillers..

Dezertol · 07-21-2011, 12:58 PM

I've been playing EverQuest 2 for a very long time.. and one thing that I always thought would really help the game was if there was a place.. of sorts where a Tradeskiller (like myself) could more or less.. advertise my services... Where you could make up a menu of what you can craft.. and the general price brake.. then people could simply order what the wanted by way of in game email.. I've thought of several different ways of doing this.. but nothing seemed to be a very promissing method.

More recently I've plaied a bit of Eve Online and ran into a guy .. after right clicking his profile and looking at his bio.. found that he did jsut that.. his bio was an advertisment for his store.. with a link to the eve online forms to his post where he updated his inventory and stock... and I thought.. hey.. that's real close.. to what I was looking for in EverQuest.

So today.. I jumped on the eq2 forms and after some searching.. I don't see a good place to put something like that.. there doesn't seem to be a brakedown by server or a place to post items or services for sale. Perhaps that is by design..... I really don't know....

I would love the ability to have a store front and to take orders.. the idea of just "having" 100 chain gloves on hand is just not practical. Obviously for fast rotating stock that's a different story but.. it's not often someone wants a full set of T3 hand crafted gear..

if such a place exists ... I would love to know about it. Or if any of you have accomplished a similar setup, I'd like to know what you did and how well it worked.

Thanks.

Jesdyr · 07-21-2011, 03:37 PM

Here is the thing ..

"/## WTB set of ____ " is much faster and easier than going to a forum and seaching for someone who can make what you want. (Or just searching the broker)

SnoesieQ · 07-21-2011, 04:24 PM

First of all - I'm not against some sort of "order" system in the game, especially if we will be getting more special items to make like the shard and Drunder items.

However, you can not use something as complex as EVE as an example and compare it to EQ2. In EVE it makes perfect sense to have a list of what you have stocked and where, and which items can be ordered and the prices.

In EVE logistics is a huge part of the game play, space is vast, most of it is hostile, and you can't mine what you need anywhere. You have to visit the station to pick up your purchases (or create a courier contract for other players to ship it for you). Also, some ships takes weeks to months to make, and that is IF you have the resources that takes an aweful lot more work to accumulate than in EQ2 - it can take a group of players weeks and months. The higher end ships can only be manufactured in insecure (open PVP) space or in no-security systems which other players can hold soverignity over and you might not be able to even get there as most of those areas are patroled by either pirates or whoever holds the space and you will be shot no questions asked unless you are alllied with them (and you will lose your ship and cargo in the process) - knowing where someone's goods is located is quite important.

This is just a few points - not even going to go into that you can be an industrialist in EVE and massmanufacture items at a station where it is cheap and easy for you, and then sell to players who ship and sell them at the more central systems for a higher price.

Etc for all the other ways the market game in EVE is where the real PvP happens, and is what drives all the fancy pewpew and alliance warfare.

In EQ2 all items insta-pop into your inventory and can be accessed from any broker. Making any item takes 2 minutes or less. Resources is found on the ground in minutes or hours, apart from certain things like shards which the customer have to have on their person anyway. And the best items are aquired through the game, not from crafters.

Dezertol · 07-21-2011, 05:04 PM

ya I agree with your assesment..... and thank you for your opinions.

I was playing eq2 back when you had to leave your toon in your apt for people to be able to enter and buy directly from you.. it felt more like a "store/shop" back then.. there is still a precentage brake if people travel to your house to buy stuff.. and in most cases this is ignored..

my point is more to the often relentless spaming of people looking for a t2 -7 armorer,tailor etc...... which on blackburrow (before I was moved to everfrost).. was quite often.. and I thought if there was a place.. a "crafters group" where you could submit an order of sorts.. .. then player orders could take the order treating it like a quest..vs.. grinding NPC writs.. it would be cool.. unfortunatly.. there is nothing in game to provide this type of setup.. I had toyed with building a website . for it.. but I just don't think it would work due to the lack of intergration...

I realize it's not fair to bring the logistics of EVE into EQ2 and I realize that once you see how things work you want to take all the good from them all and make your own sparkly ball....

but my desire to have some kind of public viewable thing where you could advertize your services, and people could order and or buy directly from you because they know you have what the need pre-dates any other game play I've had.

for example if people knew that for a fact every monday at 7:00 am you dropped 200 of the best drinks and food on the market and they if by long standing rep they knew where your "shop" was.. they'd simply stop by and stock up for the week.... you could gain respect and people would remember you.. as it is...... not a single crafter stands out anywhere among anyone other then maybe a few guild mates..

Again.. Thank you for your opinions..

Jesdyr · 07-21-2011, 05:10 PM

It isnt the first time someone has wanted to do some type of out of game thing .. There is even a sticky at the top of this forum and no one ever uses it.

Klive · 07-21-2011, 06:13 PM

Actually, folks do use that sticky. I had in game mail from a couple of people needing things that told me they found me through the sticky. Granted, it's only been twice.

darwich · 07-22-2011, 07:24 AM

to the op's 2nd question.. yes people still visit houses as opposed to buying from the broker.. i know i do when the amount is higher...or i am buying mulitples of a higher cost item...

Cloudrat · 07-22-2011, 10:55 AM

darwich wrote:

to the op's 2nd question.. yes people still visit houses as opposed to buying from the broker.. i know i do when the amount is higher...or i am buying mulitples of a higher cost item...

I have seen several houses set up as storefronts with Displays of furniture or mannequins with armor and books with a breakdown of prices and items that can be ordered via the ingame mail. Using your home. ingame mail. your biography and word of mouth you might find this will accomplish what you are after.

Dezertol · 07-22-2011, 12:52 PM

Cloudrat wrote:

darwich wrote:
to the op's 2nd question.. yes people still visit houses as opposed to buying from the broker.. i know i do when the amount is higher...or i am buying mulitples of a higher cost item...
I have seen several houses set up as storefronts with Displays of furniture or mannequins with armor and books with a breakdown of prices and items that can be ordered via the ingame mail. Using your home. ingame mail. your biography and word of mouth you might find this will accomplish what you are after.

I could see that possibly working.. do you think it would be "obvious" enough if you had a book on the table next to your sales crates that was a price list book?... with a mail box or some way to eaisly mail an order?.. I think I'll do some ingame expirements maybe see if people want to subscribe to a weekely or bi-weekly ingame mail/news letter of all the "good deals" droping prices to rotate out inventory.. on consumables..

Thanks for the idea..

Hilt · 07-22-2011, 01:15 PM

Oric@Everfrost wrote:

I've been playing EverQuest 2 for a very long time.. and one thing that I always thought would really help the game was if there was a place.. of sorts where a Tradeskiller (like myself) could more or less.. advertise my services... Where you could make up a menu of what you can craft.. and the general price brake.. then people could simply order what the wanted by way of in game email.. I've thought of several different ways of doing this.. but nothing seemed to be a very promissing method.
More recently I've plaied a bit of Eve Online and ran into a guy .. after right clicking his profile and looking at his bio.. found that he did jsut that.. his bio was an advertisment for his store.. with a link to the eve online forms to his post where he updated his inventory and stock... and I thought.. hey.. that's real close.. to what I was looking for in EverQuest.
So today.. I jumped on the eq2 forms and after some searching.. I don't see a good place to put something like that.. there doesn't seem to be a brakedown by server or a place to post items or services for sale. Perhaps that is by design..... I really don't know....
I would love the ability to have a store front and to take orders.. the idea of just "having" 100 chain gloves on hand is just not practical. Obviously for fast rotating stock that's a different story but.. it's not often someone wants a full set of T3 hand crafted gear..
if such a place exists ... I would love to know about it. Or if any of you have accomplished a similar setup, I'd like to know what you did and how well it worked.
Thanks.

All I want is a place where, AS A TRADESKILLER, I can go view a list of requested items like armor, weapons, jewelry, Misc crap, etc for someone OFFLINE and I can CHOOSE to volunteer to craft it for them and get gold, bonus XP, etc.

Zaldor · 07-22-2011, 01:35 PM

Cloudrat wrote:

darwich wrote:
to the op's 2nd question.. yes people still visit houses as opposed to buying from the broker.. i know i do when the amount is higher...or i am buying mulitples of a higher cost item...
I have seen several houses set up as storefronts with Displays of furniture or mannequins with armor and books with a breakdown of prices and items that can be ordered via the ingame mail. Using your home. ingame mail. your biography and word of mouth you might find this will accomplish what you are after.

That's a really neat idea. I'm going to steal that.

Meirril · 07-23-2011, 01:49 AM

There have been many requests for an order system similar to the broker where people say how much they are willing to pay for whatever. Generally speaking, I don't think it would be worth the dev time to develop such a system. Most people can get what they want crafted by asking in world channels. For most high volume items there are plenty of people providing the desired items on the broker. The major break down is when you have a decent demand for a crafted item but a very low profit margin, like when your talking about t3 arrows.

Its a bit of a delima. If you produce 1000 arrows for t3 and price them decently your making a lot less than you could for higher tier ammo. Also just because there is a high demand today doesn't mean it won't disappear tommorow and your stuck with 1000 t3 arrows taking up space in your sales crate. Also for vetrans with the display crate you only have 40 slots to work with before you start charging an extra 10%. That extra 10% can eat a lot of your competiveness.

An order system could solve some of this, or it could lead to you getting your order filled weeks later when you've outgrown the need for the item. Seriously, it would cause as many headaches as it would solve AND take development time. As long as the crafting developers have other projects to work on, I'd perfer this gets put on hold.

feldon30 · 07-23-2011, 07:48 AM

I would love to have a way to publicize a catalog of all the recipes I can make and let players choose from it, sort through it, and see items only for their class or for all classes. But I just don't know how much work it will take.

Liyle · 07-29-2011, 11:29 AM

Aside from posting to your server forum, which people do, there are a couple of other ways available. There is a little box on the Broker that lets people send you mail re: your item. You can spam the channels (and be cursed) or put up your LFW tag (no idea if this even helps.) Also you can get a Magic Mouth that lets people coming into your house know that you are available for special orders via in-game mail. The notebook is a good idea too.

Another idea is to "do it yourself." People already make Taverns, why not make a Shopping Mall? Outfit it with TS stations and invite crafters and shoppers to come and participate in your events. Might fly on AB... who knows? You can use the channels to broadcast your hours. I saw a homebrew event being announced the other day for PoP and Shawl components. If you were offering something people need and want, they would come.

07-21-2011, 12:58 PM	#1
Dezertol Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 19	I've been playing EverQuest 2 for a very long time.. and one thing that I always thought would really help the game was if there was a place.. of sorts where a Tradeskiller (like myself) could more or less.. advertise my services... Where you could make up a menu of what you can craft.. and the general price brake.. then people could simply order what the wanted by way of in game email.. I've thought of several different ways of doing this.. but nothing seemed to be a very promissing method. More recently I've plaied a bit of Eve Online and ran into a guy .. after right clicking his profile and looking at his bio.. found that he did jsut that.. his bio was an advertisment for his store.. with a link to the eve online forms to his post where he updated his inventory and stock... and I thought.. hey.. that's real close.. to what I was looking for in EverQuest. So today.. I jumped on the eq2 forms and after some searching.. I don't see a good place to put something like that.. there doesn't seem to be a brakedown by server or a place to post items or services for sale. Perhaps that is by design..... I really don't know.... I would love the ability to have a store front and to take orders.. the idea of just "having" 100 chain gloves on hand is just not practical. Obviously for fast rotating stock that's a different story but.. it's not often someone wants a full set of T3 hand crafted gear.. if such a place exists ... I would love to know about it. Or if any of you have accomplished a similar setup, I'd like to know what you did and how well it worked. Thanks. __________________

07-21-2011, 05:04 PM	#4
Dezertol Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 19	ya I agree with your assesment..... and thank you for your opinions. I was playing eq2 back when you had to leave your toon in your apt for people to be able to enter and buy directly from you.. it felt more like a "store/shop" back then.. there is still a precentage brake if people travel to your house to buy stuff.. and in most cases this is ignored.. my point is more to the often relentless spaming of people looking for a t2 -7 armorer,tailor etc...... which on blackburrow (before I was moved to everfrost).. was quite often.. and I thought if there was a place.. a "crafters group" where you could submit an order of sorts.. .. then player orders could take the order treating it like a quest..vs.. grinding NPC writs.. it would be cool.. unfortunatly.. there is nothing in game to provide this type of setup.. I had toyed with building a website . for it.. but I just don't think it would work due to the lack of intergration... I realize it's not fair to bring the logistics of EVE into EQ2 and I realize that once you see how things work you want to take all the good from them all and make your own sparkly ball.... but my desire to have some kind of public viewable thing where you could advertize your services, and people could order and or buy directly from you because they know you have what the need pre-dates any other game play I've had. for example if people knew that for a fact every monday at 7:00 am you dropped 200 of the best drinks and food on the market and they if by long standing rep they knew where your "shop" was.. they'd simply stop by and stock up for the week.... you could gain respect and people would remember you.. as it is...... not a single crafter stands out anywhere among anyone other then maybe a few guild mates.. Again.. Thank you for your opinions.. __________________

07-21-2011, 06:13 PM	#6
Klive Server: Mistmoore Guild: Mistmoore Eternal Knights Rank: Commander Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 396	Actually, folks do use that sticky. I had in game mail from a couple of people needing things that told me they found me through the sticky. Granted, it's only been twice. __________________

07-22-2011, 10:55 AM	#8
Cloudrat Tester Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,560	darwich wrote: to the op's 2nd question.. yes people still visit houses as opposed to buying from the broker.. i know i do when the amount is higher...or i am buying mulitples of a higher cost item... I have seen several houses set up as storefronts with Displays of furniture or mannequins with armor and books with a breakdown of prices and items that can be ordered via the ingame mail. Using your home. ingame mail. your biography and word of mouth you might find this will accomplish what you are after. __________________

07-22-2011, 12:52 PM	#9
Dezertol Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 19	Cloudrat wrote: darwich wrote: to the op's 2nd question.. yes people still visit houses as opposed to buying from the broker.. i know i do when the amount is higher...or i am buying mulitples of a higher cost item... I have seen several houses set up as storefronts with Displays of furniture or mannequins with armor and books with a breakdown of prices and items that can be ordered via the ingame mail. Using your home. ingame mail. your biography and word of mouth you might find this will accomplish what you are after. I could see that possibly working.. do you think it would be "obvious" enough if you had a book on the table next to your sales crates that was a price list book?... with a mail box or some way to eaisly mail an order?.. I think I'll do some ingame expirements maybe see if people want to subscribe to a weekely or bi-weekly ingame mail/news letter of all the "good deals" droping prices to rotate out inventory.. on consumables.. Thanks for the idea.. __________________

07-21-2011, 03:37 PM	#2
Jesdyr Server: Unrest Guild: Curmudgeons Rank: Senior Officer Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,710	Here is the thing .. "/## WTB set of ____ " is much faster and easier than going to a forum and seaching for someone who can make what you want. (Or just searching the broker)

07-21-2011, 04:24 PM	#3
SnoesieQ Tester Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 323	First of all - I'm not against some sort of "order" system in the game, especially if we will be getting more special items to make like the shard and Drunder items. However, you can not use something as complex as EVE as an example and compare it to EQ2. In EVE it makes perfect sense to have a list of what you have stocked and where, and which items can be ordered and the prices. In EVE logistics is a huge part of the game play, space is vast, most of it is hostile, and you can't mine what you need anywhere. You have to visit the station to pick up your purchases (or create a courier contract for other players to ship it for you). Also, some ships takes weeks to months to make, and that is IF you have the resources that takes an aweful lot more work to accumulate than in EQ2 - it can take a group of players weeks and months. The higher end ships can only be manufactured in insecure (open PVP) space or in no-security systems which other players can hold soverignity over and you might not be able to even get there as most of those areas are patroled by either pirates or whoever holds the space and you will be shot no questions asked unless you are alllied with them (and you will lose your ship and cargo in the process) - knowing where someone's goods is located is quite important. This is just a few points - not even going to go into that you can be an industrialist in EVE and massmanufacture items at a station where it is cheap and easy for you, and then sell to players who ship and sell them at the more central systems for a higher price. Etc for all the other ways the market game in EVE is where the real PvP happens, and is what drives all the fancy pewpew and alliance warfare. In EQ2 all items insta-pop into your inventory and can be accessed from any broker. Making any item takes 2 minutes or less. Resources is found on the ground in minutes or hours, apart from certain things like shards which the customer have to have on their person anyway. And the best items are aquired through the game, not from crafters.

07-21-2011, 05:10 PM	#5
Jesdyr Server: Unrest Guild: Curmudgeons Rank: Senior Officer Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,710	It isnt the first time someone has wanted to do some type of out of game thing .. There is even a sticky at the top of this forum and no one ever uses it.

07-22-2011, 07:24 AM	#7
darwich Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 840	to the op's 2nd question.. yes people still visit houses as opposed to buying from the broker.. i know i do when the amount is higher...or i am buying mulitples of a higher cost item...

07-22-2011, 01:15 PM	#10
Hilt Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 286	Oric@Everfrost wrote: I've been playing EverQuest 2 for a very long time.. and one thing that I always thought would really help the game was if there was a place.. of sorts where a Tradeskiller (like myself) could more or less.. advertise my services... Where you could make up a menu of what you can craft.. and the general price brake.. then people could simply order what the wanted by way of in game email.. I've thought of several different ways of doing this.. but nothing seemed to be a very promissing method. More recently I've plaied a bit of Eve Online and ran into a guy .. after right clicking his profile and looking at his bio.. found that he did jsut that.. his bio was an advertisment for his store.. with a link to the eve online forms to his post where he updated his inventory and stock... and I thought.. hey.. that's real close.. to what I was looking for in EverQuest. So today.. I jumped on the eq2 forms and after some searching.. I don't see a good place to put something like that.. there doesn't seem to be a brakedown by server or a place to post items or services for sale. Perhaps that is by design..... I really don't know.... I would love the ability to have a store front and to take orders.. the idea of just "having" 100 chain gloves on hand is just not practical. Obviously for fast rotating stock that's a different story but.. it's not often someone wants a full set of T3 hand crafted gear.. if such a place exists ... I would love to know about it. Or if any of you have accomplished a similar setup, I'd like to know what you did and how well it worked. Thanks. All I want is a place where, AS A TRADESKILLER, I can go view a list of requested items like armor, weapons, jewelry, Misc crap, etc for someone OFFLINE and I can CHOOSE to volunteer to craft it for them and get gold, bonus XP, etc.

07-22-2011, 01:35 PM	#11
Zaldor Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 493	Cloudrat wrote: darwich wrote: to the op's 2nd question.. yes people still visit houses as opposed to buying from the broker.. i know i do when the amount is higher...or i am buying mulitples of a higher cost item... I have seen several houses set up as storefronts with Displays of furniture or mannequins with armor and books with a breakdown of prices and items that can be ordered via the ingame mail. Using your home. ingame mail. your biography and word of mouth you might find this will accomplish what you are after. That's a really neat idea. I'm going to steal that.

07-23-2011, 01:49 AM	#12
Meirril Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,552	There have been many requests for an order system similar to the broker where people say how much they are willing to pay for whatever. Generally speaking, I don't think it would be worth the dev time to develop such a system. Most people can get what they want crafted by asking in world channels. For most high volume items there are plenty of people providing the desired items on the broker. The major break down is when you have a decent demand for a crafted item but a very low profit margin, like when your talking about t3 arrows. Its a bit of a delima. If you produce 1000 arrows for t3 and price them decently your making a lot less than you could for higher tier ammo. Also just because there is a high demand today doesn't mean it won't disappear tommorow and your stuck with 1000 t3 arrows taking up space in your sales crate. Also for vetrans with the display crate you only have 40 slots to work with before you start charging an extra 10%. That extra 10% can eat a lot of your competiveness. An order system could solve some of this, or it could lead to you getting your order filled weeks later when you've outgrown the need for the item. Seriously, it would cause as many headaches as it would solve AND take development time. As long as the crafting developers have other projects to work on, I'd perfer this gets put on hold.

07-23-2011, 07:48 AM	#13
feldon30 Fansite Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 5,424	I would love to have a way to publicize a catalog of all the recipes I can make and let players choose from it, sort through it, and see items only for their class or for all classes. But I just don't know how much work it will take. __________________ .. EQ2Wire.com \| EQ2U - Character, Item, Spell, and Guild Data

07-29-2011, 11:29 AM	#14
Liyle Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: St. Pete, FL Posts: 446	Aside from posting to your server forum, which people do, there are a couple of other ways available. There is a little box on the Broker that lets people send you mail re: your item. You can spam the channels (and be cursed) or put up your LFW tag (no idea if this even helps.) Also you can get a Magic Mouth that lets people coming into your house know that you are available for special orders via in-game mail. The notebook is a good idea too. Another idea is to "do it yourself." People already make Taverns, why not make a Shopping Mall? Outfit it with TS stations and invite crafters and shoppers to come and participate in your events. Might fly on AB... who knows? You can use the channels to broadcast your hours. I saw a homebrew event being announced the other day for PoP and Shawl components. If you were offering something people need and want, they would come.