PvP / PvE Server Transfers

[RedIris]

Both ways, as long as pvp only items dont transfer to pve servers.

[Katz]

Rothgar wrote:

Peak@Nagafen wrote:

Maybe Rothgar will see this post and hop in:

Assuming the vote continues to be an overwhelming yes, and SOE respects the votes and moves forward with the idea, how soon could we be looking at PVP<->PVE transfers?

I'm definitely reading every post in this thread.  I'll make a post in general discussion pointing to it if there are some concerns that it won't be seen.  I think many people look at recent hot topics and the dev tracker, so it should get plenty of publicity even in the PvP forum.

Regarding copy tokens, yes I agree it would be nice, but it creates lots of problems that are more difficult to solve.  A copy is in essence duplicating your character and everything on it.  Players could load a character up with all the plat they could find and then copy that character over.  Then you can move the plat and items to another character and copy it again.  This is why we wipe everything thats tradable when copying to EQ2X.  We'd have to do the same here.  We also wouldn't be able to allow transfers off of the PvP server for characters that had been copied from a PvE server or you'd be able to duplicate a character by just paying for a copy + transfer back.  There are probably other issues out there as well, so for now, transfers are the way to go.

Regarding the time frame, we would be looking to do something pretty soon, but don't have a date set yet. 

Also to address the question about Vox and The Bazaar, we would allow transfers between the two assuming we don't run into a technical problem.

Actually, I didn't see the topic until you posted in general.  I'm strickly PvE and I would welcome that people have the choice to transfer where they want to be, either direction.

[circusgirl]

Both ways, but strip them of the pvp only items.

[Neskonlith]

You know you want to transfer over!

[Mary the Prophetess]

What about houses and their contents?  I would hate to lose the 1000's of house items I have

[Rothgar]

Vinka@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Both ways, but strip them of the pvp only items.

Any particular reason why?  They shouldn't give any advantage in a PvE setting because they are inferior to equal level/tier items that don't have PvP stats on them.

Also, if we removed those items it would make the move to PvE more permanent because moving back to PvP would require them to regain the items a second time.

[Surculus]

Rothgar wrote:

Vinka@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Both ways, but strip them of the pvp only items.

Any particular reason why?  They shouldn't give any advantage in a PvE setting because they are inferior to equal level/tier items that don't have PvP stats on them.

Also, if we removed those items it would make the move to PvE more permanent because moving back to PvP would require them to regain the items a second time.

Does it really matter? Since the implementation of Battlegrounds, everything that can be obtained through PVP (That I am aware of) can also now be obtained through Battlegrounds on PVP and PVE servers. I really don't think it matters.

EDIT: Furthermore PVP gear since SF is really only good for PVP, there is far superior gear out there for general PVE gameplay.

[stgninja]

I say let them come on over . . but I do have 1 question - if this goes live will this also affect the exchange servers? 

[Oobo]

Vinka@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Both ways, but strip them of the pvp only items.

ya pls just dont even post if u have NO CLUE [Removed for Content] ur talking about... THE PVP items at lvl 90 are the EXACT same items you get in BGs...so itmakes NO DIFF...

[Balrok]

T8 TSO PvP Gear.   Only available on PvP server and dam if I don't still wear some pieces at 90.Honestly.. I don't know why any PvE peps would bother BG'ing 80-89.  The gear they can't have is far superior.

[Darkor]

Exur@Nagafen wrote:

T8 TSO PvP Gear.   Only available on PvP server and dam if I don't still wear some pieces at 90.Honestly.. I don't know why any PvE peps would bother BG'ing 80-89.  The gear they can't have is far superior.

With the release of DoV all pvp items became useless. There is no need to strip any items from moved characters. Money is a different story, but i dont personally dont care either way. Any influx of new players to nagafen is a good thing.

[threat111]

Rothgar wrote:

Vinka@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Both ways, but strip them of the pvp only items.

Any particular reason why?  They shouldn't give any advantage in a PvE setting because they are inferior to equal level/tier items that don't have PvP stats on them.

Also, if we removed those items it would make the move to PvE more permanent because moving back to PvP would require them to regain the items a second time.

Its becuase they dont know what they are talking about.  They hear storys and rumors about this "mythical pvp only armor" and think it gives us some sort of advantage on PVE servers.  It has no use in PVE.  None of the old items where being used last expansion, let alone this expansion.

These mythical items every one is so afraid of are simply a copy past of select TSO raid items.  99% of the equivilent PVE items can be obtained with 1 group if you really wanted them.  Unfortunately, no one does want them, or use them anymore.

The fact is I, nor any one I know was wearing any of that gear once they got the NEW armor that EVERYONE has access to in the BG's.

The old PVP only items are only good in the 80-89 BG.  Thats becuase its TSO raid gear with toughness on it.  (something that should never have been added to it in the first place)

Honestly I've said many times I'd be more then happy to delete it all for the ability to transfer.  The problem I have is I dont think every one is talking about the same thing.  I dont want the DEV's confusing the items EVERYONE has access to, the the 3-4 items I have that are only availible on the pvp server.

[Notsovilepriest]

Cesium@Nagafen wrote:

Rothgar wrote:

Vinka@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Both ways, but strip them of the pvp only items.

Any particular reason why?  They shouldn't give any advantage in a PvE setting because they are inferior to equal level/tier items that don't have PvP stats on them.

Also, if we removed those items it would make the move to PvE more permanent because moving back to PvP would require them to regain the items a second time.

Its becuase they dont know what they are talking about.  They hear storys and rumors about this "mythical pvp only armor" and think it gives us some sort of advantage on PVE servers.  It has no use in PVE.  None of the old items where being used last expansion, let alone this expansion.

These mythical items every one is so afraid of are simply a copy past of select TSO raid items.  99% of the equivilent PVE items can be obtained with 1 group if you really wanted them.  Unfortunately, no one does want them, or use them anymore.

The fact is I, nor any one I know was wearing any of that gear once they got the NEW armor that EVERYONE has access to in the BG's.

The old PVP only items are only good in the 80-89 BG.  Thats becuase its TSO raid gear with toughness on it.  (something that should never have been added to it in the first place)

Honestly I've said many times I'd be more then happy to delete it all for the ability to transfer.  The problem I have is I dont think every one is talking about the same thing.  I dont want the DEV's confusing the items EVERYONE has access to, the the 3-4 items I have that are only availible on the pvp server.

Old Avatar gear PvE players could bring over is far superior to any PvP items a PvP player could take to PvE...but like Cesium said, rumors FTW?

[Peak]

Luckily the avatar gear was also available on PVP.

[Notsovilepriest]

Peak@Nagafen wrote:

Luckily the avatar gear was also available on PVP.

You and I both know that is only a half truth.

[Bakual]

Rothgar wrote:

Vinka@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Both ways, but strip them of the pvp only items.

Any particular reason why?  They shouldn't give any advantage in a PvE setting because they are inferior to equal level/tier items that don't have PvP stats on them.

Also, if we removed those items it would make the move to PvE more permanent because moving back to PvP would require them to regain the items a second time.

Since everyone states that the items only available on PvP servers are useless with DoV anyway, delete them on the move. They will not be required to regain them a second time when they go back as they're useless now.

If this statement proves to be wrong, then delete those items anyway, as it would bring an advantage to the people having them.

I don't see a reason at all to bring special items from PvP servers to a PvE server. If someone decides to move, then he should have to apply to the new rulesets of the new server, this includes items not available on this server. He should not be able to take the advantages of the previous server to the new one.I also don't see a reason to make "serverhopping" possible without any loss risk.

[Darkor]

Bakual wrote:

Rothgar wrote:

Vinka@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Both ways, but strip them of the pvp only items.

Any particular reason why?  They shouldn't give any advantage in a PvE setting because they are inferior to equal level/tier items that don't have PvP stats on them.

Also, if we removed those items it would make the move to PvE more permanent because moving back to PvP would require them to regain the items a second time.

Since everyone states that the items only available on PvP servers are useless with DoV anyway, delete them on the move. They will not be required to regain them a second time when they go back as they're useless now.

If this statement proves to be wrong, then delete those items anyway, as it would bring an advantage to the people having them.

I don't see a reason at all to bring special items from PvP servers to a PvE server. If someone decides to move, then he should have to apply to the new rulesets of the new server, this includes items not available on this server. He should not be able to take the advantages of the previous server to the new one.I also don't see a reason to make "serverhopping" possible without any loss risk.

The reason we say that it does not matter is because it would require less programming which would make things easier. I would rather see moves as soon as possible instead of delaying them or even not making them happen because a few people thought that every little thing needs its own programming. PvP items are useless therefore they dont need special attenion.

[Surculus]

Darkor@Nagafen wrote:

Bakual wrote:

Rothgar wrote:

Vinka@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Both ways, but strip them of the pvp only items.

Any particular reason why?  They shouldn't give any advantage in a PvE setting because they are inferior to equal level/tier items that don't have PvP stats on them.

Also, if we removed those items it would make the move to PvE more permanent because moving back to PvP would require them to regain the items a second time.

Since everyone states that the items only available on PvP servers are useless with DoV anyway, delete them on the move. They will not be required to regain them a second time when they go back as they're useless now.

If this statement proves to be wrong, then delete those items anyway, as it would bring an advantage to the people having them.

I don't see a reason at all to bring special items from PvP servers to a PvE server. If someone decides to move, then he should have to apply to the new rulesets of the new server, this includes items not available on this server. He should not be able to take the advantages of the previous server to the new one.I also don't see a reason to make "serverhopping" possible without any loss risk.

The reason we say that it does not matter is because it would require less programming which would make things easier. I would rather see moves as soon as possible instead of delaying them or even not making them happen because a few people thought that every little thing needs its own programming. PvP items are useless therefore they dont need special attenion.

Agreed

[Griffildur]

Just open up the transfers , both directions from pve to pvp. It can only be good for the game at this stage.

[sinista]

I say yes to the transfers either way, I mean whatever helps finding grps during the non-raid hours, since we all know the servers are basically dead before and after usual raid times.

[Santinea]

I have a friend specifically that he would love to transfer his toon from Nagafen to AB where all of his friends are.

I can see where the gear twinking and the such would be an advantage, however I believe that because it is PVE it shouldn't matter.

I just started on the PVP server and am just now understanding the system, but I just see no difference, except maybe the fact that you get Ganked more on PVP then PVE

[JoarAddam]

Rothgar wrote:

Peak@Nagafen wrote:

Maybe Rothgar will see this post and hop in:

Assuming the vote continues to be an overwhelming yes, and SOE respects the votes and moves forward with the idea, how soon could we be looking at PVP<->PVE transfers?

I'm definitely reading every post in this thread.  I'll make a post in general discussion pointing to it if there are some concerns that it won't be seen.  I think many people look at recent hot topics and the dev tracker, so it should get plenty of publicity even in the PvP forum.

Regarding copy tokens, yes I agree it would be nice, but it creates lots of problems that are more difficult to solve.  A copy is in essence duplicating your character and everything on it.  Players could load a character up with all the plat they could find and then copy that character over.  Then you can move the plat and items to another character and copy it again.  This is why we wipe everything thats tradable when copying to EQ2X.  We'd have to do the same here.  We also wouldn't be able to allow transfers off of the PvP server for characters that had been copied from a PvE server or you'd be able to duplicate a character by just paying for a copy + transfer back.  There are probably other issues out there as well, so for now, transfers are the way to go.

Regarding the time frame, we would be looking to do something pretty soon, but don't have a date set yet. 

Also to address the question about Vox and The Bazaar, we would allow transfers between the two assuming we don't run into a technical problem.

Nobody expects to keep all their stuff in a copy... 

[Oobo]

again STOP spreading BS rumors, there are NO OP pvp items for PVE...pvp items dont work in pve, hell PVP gear as a whole is useless in PVE with the DOV release, it doesnt even compare to PQ gear.... go out and try to run instances or kill named in full pvp gear...u get smoked...no one in thier right mind is using PVP gear in PVE over PQ, let alone contested instance or raid gear... Hell if anyone should be crying it should be US on PVP cause its easier to farm contested zones, avatars and raiding in genertal on a PVE server.... we should be ones crying OMG not fair...but we arent, we welcome the players...

[Peogia]

Rothgar wrote:

How do you feel about allowing Marketplace transfers to/from PvP and PvE servers?

I think server transfers is fine as long as it doesn't trivialize/exploit/ruin the game for every 1

Wether that be with items and gear that can not be found on either server or by classes that are not allowed on either sides faction ect

An example PVP servers can have any class on either sides faction PVE servers can not

a Shadowknight is allowed in Freeport and Qeynos on a PVP server and on a PVE server this is not allowed

[Fulton]

r u guys really gonna be [Removed for Content] about  some people having a couple items that arent available to u? most of those items

have raid items that are almost the same if not the same just copied over with a different name, there are players with avatar gear on naggy and people arent crying about it, allow server transfers the few items that u cant get u prolly wouldnt wear anyways u just want something ta whine about

[GussJr]

Peogia wrote:

a Shadowknight is allowed in Freeport and Qeynos on a PVP server and on a PVE server this is not allowed

Actually, you have it backwards. On a PvP server Freeps and Q's can't freely go into either faction's city without first betraying to the other side. Also, unlike PvE servers, PvP servers can't have multi-faction guilds.

[Brienae]

I have never had an interest in pvp but from what I know it is a completely different play style. 

It seems to me that if someone decides they want to try a new style there's nothing wrong with that.  If a pvper gets tired of being a pvper and wants to get away from it all I say welcome.  Same goes for a pve'er if they think they would have more fun in pvp let them.

This is a game that we pay for so however people think they would have fun I say let them have the option.

[StargateFanGirl]

I think you should find a way to let players who dont visit the forums know about this poll so they know they can vote on this. Otherwise you're only getting the opinions of the vocal minority. Perhaps a one time ingame mail per account to the first character they log onto during the duration of the poll or a message of the day. Or put the poll in game, first time you log into your account after it's put in, the poll pops up and you can vote. If they dont then, it's their own fault. 200 or 300 people voting or even 5 or 600 is not a good representation of the masses, because surely (I hope this is so) that's just a small fraction of the active playerbase.

[Crismorn]

StargateFanGirl wrote:

I think you should find a way to let players who dont visit the forums know about this poll so they know they can vote on this. Otherwise you're only getting the opinions of the vocal minority. Perhaps a one time ingame mail per account to the first character they log onto during the duration of the poll or a message of the day. Or put the poll in game, first time you log into your account after it's put in, the poll pops up and you can vote. If they dont then, it's their own fault. 200 or 300 people voting or even 5 or 600 is not a good representation of the masses, because surely (I hope this is so) that's just a small fraction of the active playerbase.

They already decided to do it and tbh I think the poll was a sham to begin with, which is good for me cause I want this to happen really badly!

[interstellarmatter]

A long time ago, you had an in-game poll on on the station exchange stuff.  The poll asked if you wanted your server to be SE.  What happened to those types of polls?  Many people don't visit the forums.  Have one for this issue.