Cloudy Velium Jewel

[NViDiaFReaK]

any chance we can make these Heirloom like all other currencies instead of No trade!

[EndevorX]

They shouldnt be, otherwise it'd be too easy to stack them up on 1 toon & get faction in far too drastically quick of a rate!

Content should have some longevity to it. ;o

[NViDiaFReaK]

Its my Money .. let me spend it how i want it..

dont make me call J. G. Wentworth!!!

[mrp1247]

It certainly isn't easy to get 40k faction with Thurgadin due to the lack of repeatable quests for that area.  I've done all the quests and am stuck at 12k so PQ jewels are the only option left. You can only get max of 4 per day and even after that you have to have a ridiculous amount of shards to buy the good stuff.  Cannot even buy adornments without faction.  Looks like I may  be able to buy something sometime after the next expac when I've probably outgrown it.

[Diamyr]

Seliri@Nagafen wrote:

They shouldnt be, otherwise it'd be too easy to stack them up on 1 toon & get faction in far too drastically quick of a rate!

Content should have some longevity to it. ;o

Uh.. no content should have longevity to it because it's well designed content, not because someone erected a brick wall in the progression road that you must bang your head against.

Putting in endless faction grinds that must be repeated on every alt is not well designed content. 

[LardLord]

I don't understand why these aren't heirloom either.  I mean, you can easily enough just take your alt to the PQ instead...it's not like it matters as long as you still have a few strong groups doing the quest for you

EDIT: Oh, see the post below for why they can't just be heirloom.  Of course they'd need some sort of account-wide limit on Jewels.

[PlaneCrazy]

Padeshar@Antonia Bayle wrote:

any chance we can make these Heirloom like all other currencies instead of No trade!

Sure they can.  You'll just be limited to doing 2 PQ's in a day per account.

BTW, it's not money.  It's a token showing you participated in an event and the relic vendors choose to buy it from you in exchange for faction.  If they were heirloom, then people could run alts through PQ's 24/7 and max every faction out in a matter of days.  It's already obscenely easy to gain faction in this game.  Even Thurg you can raise 2K per day from PQ's if you so choose.

Be interesting to see what this game looks like in a month.  Everyone will be 40K with the factions they want. Every non-raider will be wearing the high legendary PQ armor.  And have the fabled faction bought generic stuff with 75 or 85 on the stats.  All of the "1000 new items" will have been discovered (because there's really only 200 items that were auto-computer-generated and duplicated 5 times with different names).  We don't even have a daily shard quest to grind anymore and the only solo DoV instance in the game is a quest instance that can be cleared in about 5 mins and won't be used after everyone gets the 4 or 5 items in there with the 65 stats.

Heck, if we are really lucky and there's still people playing by the time they actually give us a GU, we might even get some treasure to put in all the treasure chests that just drop adepts for abilities we maxed out last expansion

[Terabethia]

Why do you need to max every faction with every alt anyway? Pretty much everything that you can buy from the faction vendor's is heirloom so just buy what you want on your main and then stick it in the shared bank for your alt. 

Problem solved =)

[-=Hoss=-]

Ogren@Unrest_old wrote:

Padeshar@Antonia Bayle wrote:

any chance we can make these Heirloom like all other currencies instead of No trade!

Sure they can.  You'll just be limited to doing 2 PQ's in a day per account.

BTW, it's not money.  It's a token showing you participated in an event and the relic vendors choose to buy it from you in exchange for faction.  If they were heirloom, then people could run alts through PQ's 24/7 and max every faction out in a matter of days.  It's already obscenely easy to gain faction in this game.  Even Thurg you can raise 2K per day from PQ's if you so choose.

We don't even have a daily shard quest to grind anymore and the only solo DoV instance in the game is a quest instance that can be cleared in about 5 mins and won't be used after everyone gets the 4 or 5 items in there with the 65 stats.

That would be fine with me TBH.  I want all the rewards heirloom though so I can run the pq on the toon that's needed. 

What is this solo instance you speak of?  Haven't run across that yet.

[PlaneCrazy]

-=Hoss=- wrote:

Ogren@Unrest_old wrote:

Padeshar@Antonia Bayle wrote:

any chance we can make these Heirloom like all other currencies instead of No trade!

Sure they can.  You'll just be limited to doing 2 PQ's in a day per account.

BTW, it's not money.  It's a token showing you participated in an event and the relic vendors choose to buy it from you in exchange for faction.  If they were heirloom, then people could run alts through PQ's 24/7 and max every faction out in a matter of days.  It's already obscenely easy to gain faction in this game.  Even Thurg you can raise 2K per day from PQ's if you so choose.

We don't even have a daily shard quest to grind anymore and the only solo DoV instance in the game is a quest instance that can be cleared in about 5 mins and won't be used after everyone gets the 4 or 5 items in there with the 65 stats.

That would be fine with me TBH.  I want all the rewards heirloom though so I can run the pq on the toon that's needed. 

What is this solo instance you speak of?  Haven't run across that yet.

They made the instance Crystaline Breaks one that you can go back and do every day. Originally, it was a quest instance only.  It's for one of the questlines in the Ry'gor camp in EW.   There's three quests you do in it then the instance was done for good.  What people were doing before was not completing those quests so they could keep going back in there and SOE changed it so it's just a regular daily instance this last hotfix.

It's a pretty easy instance.  Trash is double arrow down groups and the names are single arrow up 91's (or 92's... can't remember)  There's two names that are always up each day and I've seen a named bat as well, but i think he may only spawn when you are on the quests.

[ShadyCharacter]

Who cares if someone is motivated to run a heap of alts through pq's to get thier faction up, they are still doing the work. As one wise poster above said, longetivity comes from well designed content, not blatant time sinks and roadblocks designed to punish players as much as anything. I repeat, the player is getting nothing for free, they still need to do the work on at least one toon. It isn't that easy to do. For a start 2000 faction is a theoretical maximum. I personaly have not been able to get more than 3 a day for the last week. Even with being able to trade the jewels previously, even focusing on Thurgadin faction almost to the exclusion of all other factions, even with the non repeatable quests, almost 4 weeks into the expansion I have less than 34k. Maxing out all factions in a few days is exagerating into outright fallacy. Btw, it is money. It is a currency, you do something for them (the pq) and in return they give you (wages / compensation) which you use to purchase favour. The only difference to regular money is it can only be used to buy one particular item from 4 or so different vendors. Your point that it is a token of appreciation while ostensibly not untrue, does not contradict the above at all and so nor does it support your stance. I have 12 jewels sitting on my SK, its enough work grinding up one character's faction, I have no intention of doing it twice or more so those jewels are wasted because when I happened participate in a bunch of pq's my SK was needed more than my Brigand. So problem not solved. I am still forced into a very inneficiant means to grind up one characters faction because of seemingly arbitrary and asanine time sinks.

[NViDiaFReaK]

ShadyCharacter wrote:

Who cares if someone is motivated to run a heap of alts through pq's to get thier faction up, they are still doing the work. As one wise poster above said, longetivity comes from well designed content, not blatant time sinks and roadblocks designed to punish players as much as anything. I repeat, the player is getting nothing for free, they still need to do the work on at least one toon. It isn't that easy to do. For a start 2000 faction is a theoretical maximum. I personaly have not been able to get more than 3 a day for the last week. Even with being able to trade the jewels previously, even focusing on Thurgadin faction almost to the exclusion of all other factions, even with the non repeatable quests, almost 4 weeks into the expansion I have less than 34k. Maxing out all factions in a few days is exagerating into outright fallacy. Btw, it is money. It is a currency, you do something for them (the pq) and in return they give you (wages / compensation) which you use to purchase favour. The only difference to regular money is it can only be used to buy one particular item from 4 or so different vendors. Your point that it is a token of appreciation while ostensibly not untrue, does not contradict the above at all and so nor does it support your stance. I have 12 jewels sitting on my SK, its enough work grinding up one character's faction, I have no intention of doing it twice or more so those jewels are wasted because when I happened participate in a bunch of pq's my SK was needed more than my Brigand. So problem not solved. I am still forced into a very inneficiant means to grind up one characters faction because of seemingly arbitrary and asanine time sinks.

QFE

[PlaneCrazy]

ShadyCharacter wrote:

Who cares if someone is motivated to run a heap of alts through pq's to get thier faction up, they are still doing the work. As one wise poster above said, longetivity comes from well designed content, not blatant time sinks and roadblocks designed to punish players as much as anything. I repeat, the player is getting nothing for free, they still need to do the work on at least one toon. It isn't that easy to do. For a start 2000 faction is a theoretical maximum. I personaly have not been able to get more than 3 a day for the last week. Even with being able to trade the jewels previously, even focusing on Thurgadin faction almost to the exclusion of all other factions, even with the non repeatable quests, almost 4 weeks into the expansion I have less than 34k. Maxing out all factions in a few days is exagerating into outright fallacy. Btw, it is money. It is a currency, you do something for them (the pq) and in return they give you (wages / compensation) which you use to purchase favour. The only difference to regular money is it can only be used to buy one particular item from 4 or so different vendors. Your point that it is a token of appreciation while ostensibly not untrue, does not contradict the above at all and so nor does it support your stance. I have 12 jewels sitting on my SK, its enough work grinding up one character's faction, I have no intention of doing it twice or more so those jewels are wasted because when I happened participate in a bunch of pq's my SK was needed more than my Brigand. So problem not solved. I am still forced into a very inneficiant means to grind up one characters faction because of seemingly arbitrary and asanine time sinks.

I disagree.

Faction is not something that happens instantly, nor should it.  It shouldn't be able to be maxed in a day just because umpteen alts have done the same content.  If they want to make shards heirloom so you can store them on one toon and sell them for 5 gold each or whatever... fine.  I have no problems with that.  I just don't agree that you should be able to stack them on one character for faction.  Is it really so tough for you that you actually have to do dailies or attend a couple of PQ's to gain faction?  My SK is sitting at about 22K othmir, 27K Ry'gor and 18K or so Thurgadin.  He's only done the soloquests and a few days of dailies so far.  Any cloudy velium shards I have received have gone to Ry'gor (about 5K worth).   It is NOT hard or inefficient... in fact, it's ridiculously easy.

[Masako]

ShadyCharacter wrote:

Who cares if someone is motivated to run a heap of alts through pq's to get thier faction up, they are still doing the work. As one wise poster above said, longetivity comes from well designed content, not blatant time sinks and roadblocks designed to punish players as much as anything. I repeat, the player is getting nothing for free, they still need to do the work on at least one toon. It isn't that easy to do. For a start 2000 faction is a theoretical maximum. I personaly have not been able to get more than 3 a day for the last week. Even with being able to trade the jewels previously, even focusing on Thurgadin faction almost to the exclusion of all other factions, even with the non repeatable quests, almost 4 weeks into the expansion I have less than 34k. Maxing out all factions in a few days is exagerating into outright fallacy. Btw, it is money. It is a currency, you do something for them (the pq) and in return they give you (wages / compensation) which you use to purchase favour. The only difference to regular money is it can only be used to buy one particular item from 4 or so different vendors. Your point that it is a token of appreciation while ostensibly not untrue, does not contradict the above at all and so nor does it support your stance. I have 12 jewels sitting on my SK, its enough work grinding up one character's faction, I have no intention of doing it twice or more so those jewels are wasted because when I happened participate in a bunch of pq's my SK was needed more than my Brigand. So problem not solved. I am still forced into a very inneficiant means to grind up one characters faction because of seemingly arbitrary and asanine time sinks.

+1!

[ShadyCharacter]

Ogren, you are exagerating to the point of parody. A couple of pq's? It took me 2 weeks of quests and 60 pq's to get to 40k. The jewels used to be heirloom, if it was half as easy and as quick as you are making it out to be why wasn't myself and umpteen other people already maxed? After all, it only takes a couple pq's right? Also there are no solo dailies for Thurgadin. Your argument really must have no validity for you to resort to such strawmanning. I never said in any way shape or form that it should take little or even less work. The proposal in this thread only means you can do the work on multiple characters, whichever one is needed. It does not involve less work at all, the player still does exactly the same, no more, no less. So knowing that, why do you think it acceptable to imply the we are lazy? It isn't about work load, it isn't about what should and shouldn't be done, it is nothing more than a heavy handed blatant time sink, extending content by only allowing players to be able to complete said content piecemeal and punishing the player for having multiple characters by forcing them to repeat it multiple times.

[conifur]

Not to derail but my issue with faction is I kill a Rime and my Rime goes down, but my Thurg stays the same. If they are at war why not give me a bump for killing the other guy.You know the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Second, if I kill a mob why does my faction go down? Who knows I killed that mob other then the dead mob? How can he tell anyone? Third why if I kill a Rime or a Dwarf my faction with them both go down but I can lay waste to the Ry'gor and my faction does not; also everything outside the keep still attacks me?Yea i know there was probably something in the text I clicked through that explains it but if the outside orcs are bad, why are they not attacking the orc fort where the good orcs are; and since when are orcs good?

And where are the Wyvrn and Ulthork or however you spell it?

[Tylia]

Ogren@Unrest_old wrote:

-=Hoss=- wrote:

Ogren@Unrest_old wrote:

That would be fine with me TBH.  I want all the rewards heirloom though so I can run the pq on the toon that's needed. 

What is this solo instance you speak of?  Haven't run across that yet.

They made the instance Crystaline Breaks one that you can go back and do every day. Originally, it was a quest instance only.  It's for one of the questlines in the Ry'gor camp in EW.   There's three quests you do in it then the instance was done for good.  What people were doing before was not completing those quests so they could keep going back in there and SOE changed it so it's just a regular daily instance this last hotfix.

It's a pretty easy instance.  Trash is double arrow down groups and the names are single arrow up 91's (or 92's... can't remember)  There's two names that are always up each day and I've seen a named bat as well, but i think he may only spawn when you are on the quests.

Crystalline Breaks has 3 names that are always up, Ry'Gorr Mortis, Crysallos, and Crysallis.  The 4th name, Echolis, is a named bat that is spawned by first killing all of the other bats in the instance. 

[Windslasher]

ShadyCharacter wrote:

The jewels used to be heirloom, if it was half as easy and as quick as you are making it out to be why wasn't myself and umpteen other people already maxed? After all, it only takes a couple pq's right?

They were never heirloom. Not even during Beta.

[Costa]

You may want to double check that as i have heard people say they were using alts to run PQ's to aquire more jewles to pass to their main to get faction. This was only a week ago too...

[Bremer]

I traded multiple velium jewels from my alts to get the faction up to buy adornments. Too bad they are now no trade

[Onorem]

Costa@Nagafen wrote:

You may want to double check that as i have heard people say they were using alts to run PQ's to aquire more jewles to pass to their main to get faction. This was only a week ago too...

They were never heirloom for me. I'll trust my own experiences and developer input instead of what you've "heard people say"

[Neskonlith]

Onorem wrote:

Costa@Nagafen wrote:

You may want to double check that as i have heard people say they were using alts to run PQ's to aquire more jewles to pass to their main to get faction. This was only a week ago too...

They were never heirloom for me. I'll trust my own experiences and developer input instead of what you've "heard people say"

Players apparently traded velium jewels from alts under a bug, many not examining the jewels to read the No-Tade tag to realize that they were not intended to be tradable - they assumed it was heirloom like almost all other such items.

I never tried it because a deliberate attempt to replicate the bug would be an exploit... so hopefully SOE has patched it by now, now that the horses have escaped from the barn and eaten the children.

[Iskandar]

Neskonlith wrote:

now that the horses have escaped from the barn and eaten the children.

......those are some.. interesting.. horses they have in your area!

Then again, I did kinda wonder how my harvesting pack horse kept coming back with chunks of fresh meat...

[Costa]

Onorem wrote:

Costa@Nagafen wrote:

You may want to double check that as i have heard people say they were using alts to run PQ's to aquire more jewles to pass to their main to get faction. This was only a week ago too...

They were never heirloom for me. I'll trust my own experiences and developer input instead of what you've "heard people say"

When it's one of my guild officers saying they were doing it i trust them. Also as someone has posted above you has said they were a tradeable item i guess we can draw our own conclusions to these items. It may have been possible where some accounts were bugged that allowed this hence why some people say it wasn't so and others say it is. It would also explain why the developers didn't know although with the way things are repeatedly being changed, adjusted or just nerfed since beta does it really suprise you that they missed it?

Personally i never took any notice of these items as they went straight into my currency tab and i found i had 9 to hand in only a few days ago. Even then i didn't take notice of the no-trade or heirloom tag.

[PlaneCrazy]

ShadyCharacter wrote:

Ogren, you are exagerating to the point of parody. A couple of pq's? It took me 2 weeks of quests and 60 pq's to get to 40k. The jewels used to be heirloom, if it was half as easy and as quick as you are making it out to be why wasn't myself and umpteen other people already maxed? After all, it only takes a couple pq's right? Also there are no solo dailies for Thurgadin. Your argument really must have no validity for you to resort to such strawmanning. I never said in any way shape or form that it should take little or even less work. The proposal in this thread only means you can do the work on multiple characters, whichever one is needed. It does not involve less work at all, the player still does exactly the same, no more, no less. So knowing that, why do you think it acceptable to imply the we are lazy? It isn't about work load, it isn't about what should and shouldn't be done, it is nothing more than a heavy handed blatant time sink, extending content by only allowing players to be able to complete said content piecemeal and punishing the player for having multiple characters by forcing them to repeat it multiple times.

I never said a couple of PQ's would get you to 40K.  I said... quote - " Is it really so tough for you that you actually have to do dailies or attend a couple of PQ's to gain faction? "  In the context of my reply, it meant that is it really so hard to do a few daily quests and a couple of PQ's per day until you get the faction you want?

As for how hard it is... I posted that reply on the 16th.  As of last night, I was 40K with Ry'Gorr, 30K with Othmir, 37K with Thurgadon Forgemasters and 25 or so with Thurg alone.   My other 90 alt is doing the Gnoll faction and he's 28K with them.   I only do 4 PQ's per day now (2 on each alt) just to get my 4 cloudy vellium.  And yet I still gained about 1400 othmir, 2500 ry'gorr, 2500 gnoll and 1500 forgemaster per day. Thurg will be my last faction to work.

Not hard at all.  I'll be maxed in all factions at this rate in another week.  So what's the [Removed for Content] problem with that?

And the dev responded to you that the jewels were never heirloom.

[Anastasie]

What about the transmuting stones and the gear I will never equip since I'm a raider?  My transmuter is on my ts alt and I have all this no-trade  stuff and stones that are sitting in my bank hoping they will be fixed to heirloom. I can understand keeping the Cloudy velium Jewels no-trade, but please let us get the transmute stuff to our alts that actually have the skill to break it down. 

[ShadyCharacter]

Windslasher wrote:

ShadyCharacter wrote:

The jewels used to be heirloom, if it was half as easy and as quick as you are making it out to be why wasn't myself and umpteen other people already maxed? After all, it only takes a couple pq's right?

They were never heirloom. Not even during Beta.

Well then they were bugged because I traded a couple by putting them in my shared bank, and I am not the only person who is saying that. Sorry Windslasher, I mean no disrespect but you are incorrect. Well tbh, I can't remember if they were heirloom per se but they were tradeable on my account at least, I never tried trading them with anyone else.

I do agree I took that 'couple' out of context a little, sorry Ogren.

I wasn't saying it's hard, it takes a long time because of arbitrary road blocks. If people want to max out thier faction quickly so what, let them, it does not take anything away from anyone else I repeat. Why is it a bad thing as Gaige posted in the other thread. The player is still doing ALL of the work. If you want to do it efficiently it are simply forced to use one character regardless of what is needed and to do it slowly.

[Lethe5683]

Padeshar@Antonia Bayle wrote:

any chance we can make these Heirloom like all other currencies instead of No trade!

It's not as no-trade as you might think.

[Wingrider01]

Lethe5683 wrote:

Padeshar@Antonia Bayle wrote:

any chance we can make these Heirloom like all other currencies instead of No trade!

It's not as no-trade as you might think.

suspect that will be handled and taken care of rsn

[Spite]

I had some of these in my shared bank. I put them there - it wasnt until a couple of days after launch that that could no longer be done.

I know i put them in my bank. SOE should be able to check my bank logs if they have a doubt in this matter. ANother guild member did the same thing as we discussed it in vent and remarked how easy it would be to max or mains faction since we each had numerour lvl 90 characters.

Not hearsay. Not rumor - fact.